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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 20:35:17 GMT -5
T34 Agree, the “original price” is fictional.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 20:10:13 GMT -5
Warned you, bud. Take a break.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 19:36:41 GMT -5
New deals? Or ones you found that don’t stand up to the valuation? I believe he is referring to the fact that Pixo states the "old price" of the bundle is 2,900 WSP, and is offering it for 3,900. Oh, that’s a riot. Totally missed that. Obviously a typo, but since all their other “original price” valuations are fictional, what’s the difference?
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 19:33:10 GMT -5
They’re not inaccurate. The numbers don’t lie. BUT...there is definitely more to the picture, you’re 100% right. For example, you and another pointed out to me the nefariousness of bundled deals, “Kumiho + Ember” instead of just Ember. I hadn’t considered that, and it’s a helluva point. Watch this space. Your math might need some further adjustment: New deals? Or ones you found that don’t stand up to the valuation?
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 19:32:32 GMT -5
You’re feeling personally attacked? After going after something without- by your own admission- actually having read it? Crapstirrers don’t last long here. Either bring something to the conversation more than just drama, or find the exit. Or have it found for you. I did bring something to the conversation - however you chose to ignore it and instead started a series of ad-hominem attacks - and now by the look of it threats of exercising your moderator privileges to silence dissenters. That doesn't sound like an open dialogue to me. Would you like me to repeat the core of the issue once more? You’re derailing the topic. Unofficial warning.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 19:25:24 GMT -5
Ok. what dredd did was a value analysis. More like part 1 of a value analysis and the work is incomplete as it did not take into account every aspect of the product on offer. By not taking every feature into account and not relating them to real world conditions the cost of the product was not established and hence the value propositions presented are inaccurate. Such value analysis needs to identify the best offer at the least cost from which the customer gets the most benefit from. Ratios presented are not accurate and of little value for decision making due to critical aspects not being considered. At the end of the day this sort of work needs say, you should buy if.... and don't buy if....and if you buy at that value than that benefit derived is x. They’re not inaccurate. The numbers don’t lie. BUT...there is definitely more to the picture, you’re 100% right. For example, you and another pointed out to me the nefariousness of bundled deals, “Kumiho + Ember” instead of just Ember. I hadn’t considered that, and it’s a helluva point. Watch this space.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 19:23:21 GMT -5
Wow, you are totally unique, bringing material we have never seen here from any other troll, ever. Or something. Wow doubling down on the personal attack - I wonder which president taught you that strategy You’re feeling personally attacked? After going after something without- by your own admission- actually having read it? Crapstirrers don’t last long here. Either bring something to the conversation more than just drama, or find the exit. Or have it found for you.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 19:17:55 GMT -5
I wrote something. You didn’t read it, but still felt the need to get your two cents in. Someone else wrote something on this forum, an in-depth analysis. You posted “too long, didn’t read.” Youre not here to listen. Just to spout off. So knock yourself out. Let’s just not kid ourselves on that it’s anything remotely constructive. Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is where an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. Keep on digging - you are doing a much better job at it than i ever could(;o) Just to bring it back on topic - The "substance of the argument " is that if you ask the reader to ignore the biggest sticking point of the issue then any and all analysis that follows is is at best pointless and at worst manipulative. Just to illustrate - an extreme example would be: "If you put aside the genocidal mania then you have to admit that the nazis did a good job building Autobahns in Germany." I choose an extreme example in the hope that it will enable you to see the problem with that statement - and statements that are similar in nature but smaller in Wow, you are totally unique, bringing material we have never seen here from any other troll, ever. Or something.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 18:34:24 GMT -5
I specifically stated the piece was looking at the data in isolation, and not passing judgment on the prices. I understand- and share- the opinion that these prices are unreasonable. But that's beyond the scope of this analysis. Of the folks taking issue with this piece, most seem to be getting hung up on that part of it.
Whether or not something is "worth" the money is ultimately a subjective statement. An Inquisitor is not "worth" $350 to me. It may be worth it to someone else. What I sought to do here was simple: now that we have new offers for Components and can establish dollar values on all currencies in the transaction, how do the outlay/inlay amounts compare.
In that regard, Pixonic is giving you 150% to 200% return. Is that a good deal? Yes. Is that inflated by the ridiculous valuation Pixo assigned these assets? Also yes. But in absolute terms, those are the numbers.
See this now makes me wonder just who you are trying to help by asking us to ignore the overpriced elephant in the room - and then declaring a deal involving this overpriced elephant as "good" ??!!I wrote something. You didn’t read it, but still felt the need to get your two cents in. Someone else wrote something on this forum, an in-depth analysis. You posted “too long, didn’t read.” Youre not here to listen. Just to spout off. So knock yourself out. Let’s just not kid ourselves on that it’s anything remotely constructive.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 16:12:24 GMT -5
I meant that as a Triple Ember Fury without the Ancile. Ahh, Ok. Then Yes, An RDB load out staying outside of the 350 range will take down the Fury if he cant get good cover or be near another bot with some sort of Ancile. All this. Triple Ember Fury hits hard, and dies hard.
I hadn't thought of the Ancile, but that's one I'm going to try!
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 16:06:53 GMT -5
Skimmed the piece, did you? Yup - are you saying I missed the part where you address the fact that these bots and weapons are way way overpriced for the in game value they offer? Because in all honesty i did not see anything to that effect in my skimming. I specifically stated the piece was looking at the data in isolation, and not passing judgment on the prices. I understand- and share- the opinion that these prices are unreasonable. But that's beyond the scope of this analysis. Of the folks taking issue with this piece, most seem to be getting hung up on that part of it.
Whether or not something is "worth" the money is ultimately a subjective statement. An Inquisitor is not "worth" $350 to me. It may be worth it to someone else. What I sought to do here was simple: now that we have new offers for Components and can establish dollar values on all currencies in the transaction, how do the outlay/inlay amounts compare.
In that regard, Pixonic is giving you 150% to 200% return. Is that a good deal? Yes. Is that inflated by the ridiculous valuation Pixo assigned these assets? Also yes. But in absolute terms, those are the numbers.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 7:57:10 GMT -5
MODERATION: Moved to Rants
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 7:55:01 GMT -5
No I just leave the game for ember. I just think it is stupid to have a weapon that penetrates both physical and energy shields. What is the strategy around this weapon? Own one and you own the world? Own one and find yourself the target of every long range or mid-range weapon? Yes, the Ember is a nasty weapon. I’ve only come up against one once, and unfortunately I was in a Thunder Raijin. However, let’s take a look at a few things. - Ember Lancelot. Yes, it’s deadly. Yes, it has physical shields. But if you have an Ember, you don’t have an Ancile, so anyone with mid-range splash is going to have a field day against you, and anyone with Molots/Punishers isn’t going to be that unhappy either. On open maps on TDM or Domination, you’re probably dead. - Ember Leo. Tonne of health and a few light weapons as back-up. But no shields, fairly slow, and no access to Orkans/Tarans. - Ember Raijin. Good luck getting into range with full health on anything but Beacon Rush. Powerful if you can ambush someone, but probably rocket-fodder on most maps at higher tiers. - Ember Carnage. Possibly very, very deadly. But if you’re in range to use the Embers, the enemy is in range with plasma and has already been in range with Zeus/Trebs/Gekkos, all of which are nightmare-inducing for Carnages. - Ember Fury. If it gets in range, it will massacre anything except maybe a good Dash pilot. But it’s slow and bulky, and is going to be a rather high priority target. - Ember Natasha. Basically the same as the Ember Fury, but cheaper and gives more options with the light slots as well, although less brutal damage. - Ember Vityaz/Golem/Boa. I’d love to see one of these, even if it wrecks me. But if you’re crying about any loadout on a Medium Ag bot, then that seems a little ridiculous, no? - Ember Schutze. Funny idea, but not something we’re going to see. And I’m sure the hilarity of being killed by a Schutze is the annoyance of dying in that case. - Ember Butch. Not sure on the reload/cycle times, but might be able to do good damage if the times match up. However it’s fairly slow and apparently fairly fragile, so not a great bot to be diving into close-range with. - Ember Inquisitor. Probably the only bot that makes the Ember seem OP. Yes, it no longer has the shields a Lancelot would have. But stealth and jump means it is probably more likely to make it into combat with more health, and the stealth is a nightmare in a firefight. So yes, an Ember-wielding bot will cause a hell of a lot of damage under the right circumstances. But it’s limited to a few builds if you want to make the most of it, and there are ways to outplay those builds. It’s new, it’s scary, it’s powerful. But there will be counter-tactics. But look on the bright side: it can’t be mounted on a Dash bot. Great take. When I got mine I slapped them on a Fury, and while yes, you ladle out the damage, you don't tend to stick around long enough to really contribute to the match. I'm down to running just one now, on the Inquisitor.
I've reeeeally thought about trying Boa or- yes- Schutze though.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 25, 2017 21:06:04 GMT -5
Haven't gotten a chance to read it but just wanted to point out that the dark text under the header is many times almost impossible to make out. I don't even try to read it anymore but I usually read every word on your topics. Thanks! Yeah, that's a "feature" with the template. Still trying to figure out how to change it.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 25, 2017 21:05:32 GMT -5
Dredd77 , what would you think of the a deal of 180 Kumiho components and 120 Haechi components for 500 gold? Using the method in the article, that's $7.50 in value for $5.00, for a 1.5 return.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 25, 2017 21:01:34 GMT -5
I jammed three of these on a Bulgasari, and they're pretty solid. I like the noise they make, though it's hard to tell sometimes if the weapon chained or not. I disagree about the "easymode" concerns. Sure they may need to tinker with the balance, but spatial relationships are absolutely fair game for design space.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 25, 2017 20:50:13 GMT -5
Yes but you are falling for their game hook, line and sinker. Here is the play: 1. advertising something for an outrageous price which is 10 (or more) times the price of comparable products 2. then offer a 30% Off "deal" for said overpriced product 3. laugh all the way to the bank as people throw fistfulls of money at you because of the "great value discount" your are now offering Skimmed the piece, did you?
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 25, 2017 20:20:11 GMT -5
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 24, 2017 13:54:44 GMT -5
Six days ago, Pix said that they'd be merging BR and DOM into one queue temporarily, while TDM was being floated.
Some in this thread appear to be reacting to the change like it is permanent.
This makes me wonder if we're just not reading patch notes, or if there may be a better method for Pixo to convey changes.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 24, 2017 11:05:40 GMT -5
I will be a voice out of the Choir. My love for Beacon Rush has made me forego many useful midrange builds. I think that a random mode, that forces to have a more balanced hangar, will help with diversity and with hangar turnover. This. I personally like the idea of mixing up formats a lot more than choosing them.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 21, 2017 3:40:10 GMT -5
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 21, 2017 2:47:59 GMT -5
Thats not really an entirely true statement though is it Dredd77, you have openly spoke in the past of the "free gifts" you have received from Pixonic. Just like the youtubers who receice free content for Pixonic to help promote tbe game you cant claim to be truly independent with one foot in that trough. Personally I dont care if you are pro or anti Pixonic but saying mechspectrum has zero monetization when you receive content from Pixsonic in the form of in game items with a monetary value is stretching the truth a bit thin. For your next mechspectrum article can I suggest you write it comparing War Robots not to a card game but to Activision's Patent that recently came to light. If you dont know what that is just search youtube for Activision Patent for some quick and easy background. Now that would be an interesting article to read Sounds interesting, I'll have to take a look. As for the free demo items, sure, I get some from Pixo. Dash bots. Embers. Inquisitors. If you feel that those items compromise my objectivity, you must believe that my enjoyment of playing War Robots eclipses the professional pride I take in building M*S. Where you land on that is up to you, but I find it laughable. My credibility is way more important to me than a bunch of pixels. In fact, I just published a piece this very evening "biting the hand that feeds me." I define success for M*S quite simply: that we be publishing long after Pixonic collapses on its own ambitions. You can define it however you like, and either read or not read. Up to you, mate.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 21, 2017 2:10:16 GMT -5
That was a diplomatic (if a bit mild) beatdown. Serious question: what does it take to get you to pick up a torch and pitchfork Dredd77 ? I mean I won't even make you use components to get them, I'll just give them to you if you ask He built a community on War Robots. If you destroy the foundation, what happens to the house? You might be surprised to learn that we're as close with Battle of Titans as we are with War Robots, have a media account with Robokrieg, and have contacts with several other mech games in development. Your point is cute, but that is about all it is. Also worth noting: M*S has ZERO monetization. One person or a million visiting the site, we get paid the same: zilch. It's a labor of love, homie.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 20, 2017 17:44:03 GMT -5
Oddly the people who are angry are presenting relevant information as well -- We have few data points to look at regarding community satisfaction right now, but by all indications were split 2/1 on the issue almost everywhere. Frankly when 1/3 of your user base is being vocal about a topic and others are quitting sending them off to a corner isn't exactly the best thing to do. I realize that "this forum isn't pix" but by that same token lots of insiders, and people with access do work here (without pay). Right now there is a thread on the home page where a member just opened up a line of thinking on what the actual cost of a dash hanger is, granting it perspective against the average american income. Is that protest? Im happy YOU only want to hear about team TDM -- I want to hear about it to, I read those threads as well, I go to page two sometimes to look at things. I would be hard pressed to find a thread on the home page right now that I would qualify as a "RANT" -- I agree here. While I'm interested in every facet of the game, I'm also interested in the protests and viewpoints of angry players. More specifically the actions they're willing to take to encourage change. Whether or not you agree with it, it is a current topic people are interested in. With them now being shunned away to a section very few people frequent, we will no longer get the best stream of information on that topic. "Rants" isn't some hidden corner of the board you have to duck past three alleyways and knock some secret knock on a nondescript door to find. Rants comes up in the Recent tab, which is how most folks use the forum anyway (we know because we polled that awhile back). I don't know why people associate Rants as a gulag, when it's really just a sorting process. As for all that "snowflake" crapola, this isn't some bastion of free speech uber alles. This is a forum set up with the intent of being a welcoming and helpful place to discuss War Robots. When elements of the community threaten to compromise that mission, we will actively restore the balance. Anyone that wants the liberty of being able to be as toxic as they want to be, no holds barred, is encouraged to join one of the Facebook groups where that itch can be scratched to their hearts' content.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 20, 2017 17:37:09 GMT -5
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 16, 2017 17:26:45 GMT -5
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 10, 2017 18:55:31 GMT -5
To whom, though? All too often this forum falls prey to the idea that "if we're offended, the community is offended." We're a single grain of sand on a very large beach. And most of the beach doesn't care as much as we do (otherwise, they'd be involved in the community). For this reason, individual projections about the health of the game are usually overstated, often well overstated. Perhaps the 100,000 who left a one star review on google play. Lots of grains. Edit: I can see pix responding positively if the numbers reach a threashold. Huh. I haven’t looked at the reviews table in some time. Perhaps it’s time I did...
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 9, 2017 2:38:46 GMT -5
Hydra Doc is niche, but viable. This is one of the top articles on our site for a reason, and it ain't morbid curiosity.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 9, 2017 2:35:21 GMT -5
Pretty low chance of Pix closing their servers tbh, they have enough resources to just simply keep it running, even if players don't spend a single cent. There are also many games out there that have "died" but are still up and running. So, instead of "How long will War Robots last?" it is actually more of "How long will War Robots remain credible to players". I think it could run for a long time same as you. If the current strategy remains, I reckon credibility will be lost and the game will fade significantly in about 9 to 18 months time. To whom, though? All too often this forum falls prey to the idea that "if we're offended, the community is offended." We're a single grain of sand on a very large beach. And most of the beach doesn't care as much as we do (otherwise, they'd be involved in the community). For this reason, individual projections about the health of the game are usually overstated, often well overstated.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 9, 2017 1:05:09 GMT -5
No matter how much they crap it up right now, the game has at least a year in it, and probably a few more, easily.
If they manage to contain the dumpster fire they've created, same.
Anyone predicting the doom of the game is still leaving coins under their pillow at night waiting for the tooth fairy.
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