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Post by 7iquid on Oct 9, 2017 0:58:08 GMT -5
How long do you give the game before it folds and starts biting its own bunghole?
By this I mean the game is so wrecked with level 12 hangars in Bronze league and new players quit after
5 mins. No one spends much money and Pix start switching off the servers?
When will the whales stop paying and the noobs stop joining?
What is your estimate in months or years?
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 9, 2017 1:05:09 GMT -5
No matter how much they crap it up right now, the game has at least a year in it, and probably a few more, easily.
If they manage to contain the dumpster fire they've created, same.
Anyone predicting the doom of the game is still leaving coins under their pillow at night waiting for the tooth fairy.
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Post by arakos on Oct 9, 2017 1:17:52 GMT -5
If they fix the monetization of the game, that is just one obtainable (not RM) currency for all items, old and new, this game could last for several years. And co-exist with BoT
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Post by 7iquid on Oct 9, 2017 1:23:21 GMT -5
No matter how much they crap it up right now, the game has at least a year in it, and probably a few more, easily. If they manage to contain the dumpster fire they've created, same. Anyone predicting the doom of the game is still leaving coins under their pillow at night waiting for the tooth fairy. I'm in the area of 2 years as it stands but I am very sure that it's overall profit margin will attract considerable investment and this will turn into 5 years easily. Watch out for the McBulgasari burger! The game infrastructure speaks of longevity despite what the forum posts seem to say. |
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Post by WilsonK on Oct 9, 2017 2:09:38 GMT -5
Pretty low chance of Pix closing their servers tbh, they have enough resources to just simply keep it running, even if players don't spend a single cent.
There are also many games out there that have "died" but are still up and running.
So, instead of "How long will War Robots last?" it is actually more of "How long will War Robots remain credible to players".
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Post by T34 on Oct 9, 2017 2:25:59 GMT -5
Pretty low chance of Pix closing their servers tbh, they have enough resources to just simply keep it running, even if players don't spend a single cent. There are also many games out there that have "died" but are still up and running. So, instead of "How long will War Robots last?" it is actually more of "How long will War Robots remain credible to players". I think it could run for a long time same as you. If the current strategy remains, I reckon credibility will be lost and the game will fade significantly in about 9 to 18 months time. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 9, 2017 2:35:21 GMT -5
Pretty low chance of Pix closing their servers tbh, they have enough resources to just simply keep it running, even if players don't spend a single cent. There are also many games out there that have "died" but are still up and running. So, instead of "How long will War Robots last?" it is actually more of "How long will War Robots remain credible to players". I think it could run for a long time same as you. If the current strategy remains, I reckon credibility will be lost and the game will fade significantly in about 9 to 18 months time. To whom, though? All too often this forum falls prey to the idea that "if we're offended, the community is offended." We're a single grain of sand on a very large beach. And most of the beach doesn't care as much as we do (otherwise, they'd be involved in the community). For this reason, individual projections about the health of the game are usually overstated, often well overstated. |
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Post by somepilot on Oct 9, 2017 2:53:04 GMT -5
Price of PS4, 300 bucks for a bot?
Only mobile phone users could save them, but with new UI and MM,I guess they are committing suicide.
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Post by thetruth on Oct 9, 2017 3:22:45 GMT -5
How long do you give the game before it folds and starts biting its own bunghole? By this I mean the game is so wrecked with level 12 hangars in Bronze league and new players quit after 5 mins. No one spends much money and Pix start switching off the servers? When will the whales stop paying and the noobs stop joining? What is your estimate in months or years? T Are you taking about locking the doors and closing up shop or the player base is just a graveyard? Its going to be years before the doors are locked. Mail.ru spent $30M to take over and supposedly this game intakes $1.5M monthly. Not sure what their profit margin is on that, but I doubt they have broken even/turned a profit yet. That being said, the updates are going to be ebbs and flows of cash grabs and "favorable" player updates to keep stringing players along enticing there is hope of past game play. If the next update is considered "favorable" to the players you'll know how this river will flow. |
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Post by imnobody on Oct 9, 2017 4:14:51 GMT -5
This game will die in no time they will be small circuit of fan base that will continue to support and play this game. If payxonic stop focusing in how to milk player and focus how to bring quality content for community this game would last a lifetime. The way I see this is going down hill fast atm
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Post by T34 on Oct 9, 2017 4:44:26 GMT -5
I think it could run for a long time same as you. If the current strategy remains, I reckon credibility will be lost and the game will fade significantly in about 9 to 18 months time. To whom, though? All too often this forum falls prey to the idea that "if we're offended, the community is offended." We're a single grain of sand on a very large beach. And most of the beach doesn't care as much as we do (otherwise, they'd be involved in the community). For this reason, individual projections about the health of the game are usually overstated, often well overstated. Perhaps the 100,000 who left a one star review on google play. Lots of grains. Edit: I can see pix responding positively if the numbers reach a threashold. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 5:02:48 GMT -5
I don't think War Robots is the only iron in the fire. What Pix have is a funded infrastructure (hardware, IP, talent (sometimes debatable) and corporate support) that can be used to launch anything in the mobile gaming sphere. They even have a side gig for publishing developers (look on the website) - which is essentially "show us what you have and we can help you launch and run".....and share the profit. I'm sure that that would also be a good parallel revenue stream for them moving forward.
War Robots is their current flagship model but as in all things, it will not always be, especially if the next best thing comes along or profitability begins to tank. I would bet "pounds to peanuts" that they (Pix OR Mail.ru) have an R&D pipeline that evaluates this eventuality (succession planning). |
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 10, 2017 18:55:31 GMT -5
To whom, though? All too often this forum falls prey to the idea that "if we're offended, the community is offended." We're a single grain of sand on a very large beach. And most of the beach doesn't care as much as we do (otherwise, they'd be involved in the community). For this reason, individual projections about the health of the game are usually overstated, often well overstated. Perhaps the 100,000 who left a one star review on google play. Lots of grains. Edit: I can see pix responding positively if the numbers reach a threashold. Huh. I haven’t looked at the reviews table in some time. Perhaps it’s time I did... |
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Post by stokr on Oct 10, 2017 19:13:55 GMT -5
Huh. I haven’t looked at the reviews table in some time. Perhaps it’s time I did...  1 stars make up roughly 4% of the users and if you add up the bottom 3 you get, rounding up, 10% of the reviews. Edit: 90% 4 and 5 stars, so 90% positive to Pix. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 19:17:51 GMT -5
Huh. I haven’t looked at the reviews table in some time. Perhaps it’s time I did... 1 stars make up roughly 4% of the users and if you add up the bottom 3 you get, rounding up, 10% of the reviews. Edit: 90% 4 and 5 stars, so 90% positive to Pix. Perhaps we should take a look at more recent reviews.  |
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Post by valoricus on Oct 10, 2017 19:22:44 GMT -5
I'm still holding out some hope that the next patch addresses our concerns. If not, I'm totally done. I'll just spend my time working on my own robot game which I will release completely for free. I'm about 1/2 done with the initial prototype I started working on a few months ago. It's picked up steam again now that War Robots is in a self inflicted death spiral. I'll post some videos here if anyone is interested but it isn't much to look at currently; just some robot models I purchased (I am a programmer and not an artist unfortunately) shooting at each other while walking around a white plane. There are some cool concepts I ripped from mech warrior though. You can actively target individual "parts" which are fully destructible  Hell, if anyone is interested in contributing, let me know. |
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Post by stokr on Oct 10, 2017 19:28:06 GMT -5
1 stars make up roughly 4% of the users and if you add up the bottom 3 you get, rounding up, 10% of the reviews. Edit: 90% 4 and 5 stars, so 90% positive to Pix. Perhaps we should take a look at more recent reviews. Whatever floats your boat man. Your chart shows a fading spike of discontent, not a growing one, with more positive spikes after the red ones. You really want the red spikes to come after the green and a growing level of red overall, not fading to make your point. I dunno...Pix could easily look at that and the 90% 4/5 star ratings and still be pretty positive about things. It doesn't look like absolute doom and gloom to me. It looks like a 'let's wait and see,' more than a 'take action now!' kind of chart to me. |
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Post by T34 on Oct 10, 2017 19:43:58 GMT -5
Perhaps we should take a look at more recent reviews. Whatever floats your boat man. Your chart shows a fading spike of discontent, not a growing one, with more positive spikes after the red ones. You really want the red spikes to come after the green and a growing level of red overall, not fading to make your point. I dunno...Pix could easily look at that and the 90% 4/5 star ratings and still be pretty positive about things. It doesn't look like absolute doom and gloom to me. It looks like a 'let's wait and see,' more than a 'take action now!' kind of chart to me. IMO
- the opinions on this forum - the feedback on FB - the feedback in the clan - Opinions from the youtubers - the clear move to P2W - deceptive gambling - 「dookie」 MM - perceived increase in tanking across the leagues - launch of several OP content - the "unprecedented" call from pixonic - the "how dare you " from the lovely Anna - people being lost at an unprecedented rate
all point to something that has gone seriously wrong. that's backed up by the spontaneous reaction of close to 100K leaving the 1 star message. I do not believe that those 100K are happy now or moved on. This is now festering.
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Post by stokr on Oct 10, 2017 20:15:01 GMT -5
I do not believe that those 100K are happy now or moved on. This is now festering. I never said they were, though they should leave unless it's merely a protest vote, like mine, that doesn't necessarily represent a desire to quit. If other people changed their ratings like I did...just to protest...but with no real intent upon quitting then there's some misrepresentation at play. I would never actually play a game I actually considered a 1 star game. Heck, I wouldn't play a game I consider a 3 star game. I just don't have that much time to waste. I want to enjoy myself. If someone actually feels War Robots is a 1 star game then just leave already. What a waste of time to burn energy on something you hate. 90% 4/5 stars with a vocal minority a <5% that are very upset...it's a wait and see, not an act now chart...unless of course you're one of the vocal minority. |
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Post by SlamCatalina on Oct 10, 2017 21:08:49 GMT -5
How long do you give the game before it folds and starts biting its own bunghole? By this I mean the game is so wrecked with level 12 hangars in Bronze league and new players quit after 5 mins. No one spends much money and Pix start switching off the servers? When will the whales stop paying and the noobs stop joining? What is your estimate in months or years? T There are some questionable behaviors by Pix that need to be resolved ASAP. Today I logged into my seldom used Gold account (which I use to squad with my daughter) and the very first offer was for Dash bots for cheap (relatively speaking)! They are offering these to dormant/newbie accounts vs my normal Champion level account presumably because they think the Champs will pay $$$ for those Dash bots. So basically if you're a newbie or if you are top tier and spend $$$ you get have Dash...otherwise you can not and will have a difficult time competing. I haven't seen this offer EVER on my Champion account. This, in my mind, is totally ridiculous and a microcosm of the problems War Robots has. They need to fix this and many other items right away. |
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Oct 10, 2017 21:39:50 GMT -5
I think it could run for a long time same as you. If the current strategy remains, I reckon credibility will be lost and the game will fade significantly in about 9 to 18 months time. To whom, though? All too often this forum falls prey to the idea that "if we're offended, the community is offended." We're a single grain of sand on a very large beach. And most of the beach doesn't care as much as we do (otherwise, they'd be involved in the community). For this reason, individual projections about the health of the game are usually overstated, often well overstated. Pretty much what Dredd said. They're the #5 Top Grossing action game in the app store as of right now. Also, I've been playing Battle Bay by Rovio lately. Instead of having to pay for Premium (50% increase to match winnings), Rovio allows you to watch an advertisement at the end of the match to get the bonus winnings. One of the prevalent ads that pops up is War Robots. So the marketing arm of Pix / Mail.ru is pretty widespread and active in pulling in new players.   |
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Post by bronzeknee on Oct 10, 2017 23:32:38 GMT -5
No matter how much they crap it up right now, the game has at least a year in it, and probably a few more, easily. If they manage to contain the dumpster fire they've created, same. Anyone predicting the doom of the game is still leaving coins under their pillow at night waiting for the tooth fairy. I feel like I should take this bet. Remember when Dredd talked about the 10k components costing a mere 50 bucks? I do (important to note he didn't predict that, but he used those numbers as an example before we knew the full details of 3.2. Clearly though, he thought they might be realistic ballpark figures, otherwise he wouldn't have used them). I know those that are heavily invested in this game love it a lot, but they wear the nicest rose colored glasses I've ever seen when talking about Pixonic, and I know they don't like me for saying that. 6-8 months maximum if they continue down the pay to win road (the MKII thing becomes a reality, the Dashes, Inquisitor and Ember don't get fixed, the chain lightning gun gets released...). Once a game like this one begins to lose it's playerbase, the downfall is incredibly fast. Matchmaking problems become far more acute... longer and longer queue times, matches are more and more unfair... all of that pushes more and more people out, and the whole things snowballs. And with Battle Titans as an alternative, the F2P crowd (which drives the game) will go there and there won't be enough whales and long term players to make this game viable. As Mark Cuban says... “pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. When you try to take it too far, people turn the other way. I’m just telling you, when you’ve got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always, always turns on you. That’s rule No. 1 of business."
Pixonic isn't immune to rule No. 1. Most people don't complain they are disappointed with a business, they just leave. So many here are forgetting that cardinal rule of business too. Now if Pixonic fixes it, it has many years left. I'll be shocked if they suddenly become business savvy though. I hope I get shocked. |
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Post by [CK]erazor on Oct 11, 2017 2:08:01 GMT -5
How long do you give the game before it folds and starts biting its own bunghole? By this I mean the game is so wrecked with level 12 hangars in Bronze league and new players quit after 5 mins. No one spends much money and Pix start switching off the servers? When will the whales stop paying and the noobs stop joining? What is your estimate in months or years? T This is totally unpredictable. Basically it could happen with the next patch, if a chain-reaction is starting within the player base. Humans can tolerate a lot of stuff until that certain point and when that point is reached, a reaction happens. The game will die when a larger portion of the player base quits the game, leaving the Whales behind to have them play with themselves. When this will happen, no one can tell. But if Pix continues the way they have choosen, it is bound to happen. |
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Post by zeframmann on Oct 11, 2017 2:15:39 GMT -5
Pixonic is catering exclusively to whales now, which is basically the start of a death-spiral for any online game. Casual players will hit a wall, where progress will require a far greater investment than they are willing to make, and leave. Whales have nobody to shoot at, they leave. Game closes its doors overnight. That's the problem with depending on 5% of your player-base for 90% of your income.
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