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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 19:10:29 GMT -5
boomsplat I think you are correct, actually... at least to some extent. They are definitely trying to separate the impacts so they can assess them independently.
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 20, 2017 19:19:44 GMT -5
boomsplat I think you are correct, actually... at least to some extent. They are definitely trying to separate the impacts so they can assess them independently. KingKull - I've printed this statement out to put on my brag wall in the house....to be "correct...to some extent" is much better praise than what I get from my wife and kids! Time will tell with these changes...just have to get the player base to stay in the game until it smooths out. Hope Pixo gets the needed data quickly and ACTS or at least COMMUNICATES! Cheers! |
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Post by lephturn on Jan 20, 2017 20:24:04 GMT -5
Muahahaha- gonna try 3/3 trident schutze for giggles.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 20, 2017 22:54:35 GMT -5
At the silver level, Android is fine the way it is at the moment. The changes to mech health that came with 2.5 have done much to address balance issues. I put one of my two Geps in long term storage in favor of having more muscle in my lineup - prior to 2.5, that would've been a very poor decision... now it seems quite reasonable. Just a crazy thought - what if Pix is testing two theories on how to achieve greater balance in the game? 1. On IOS, new MM system 2. On Android, bot/wep nerfs and buffs with 2.5 After a week, they will compare the two. I don't really believe it myself because of all the prior announcements on what they are doing...but I'm just struggling a bit to understand what their end game is with all of these changes hitting piecemeal on different OS's. No... not crazy... If iOS didn't habitually make other games' updates that I've played before, take longer than Android every single time, I'd think u were on to something. As it is... Im pretty sure they just have an obstacle course of an approval process. |
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Post by den1z on Jan 21, 2017 5:18:59 GMT -5
Hey all. Just to add my 2 pennies worth in. I'm not sure what's going on. To say the least at present it's a mixed bag. Sometimes I'm totally out gunned and out leveled , sometimes it's head to head, tooth and claw. I am winning some but often feeling like I'm bow and arrow versus armour. Intrigued to see how this plays out.
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Post by Heishiro on Jan 21, 2017 6:54:22 GMT -5
sad sad sad  " i have a lot of my friends quitting this game as we speak" |
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Post by den1z on Jan 21, 2017 7:57:18 GMT -5
sad sad sad " i have a lot of my friends quitting this game as we speak" Tbh I feel that's sad and more than a little premature to quit so early into these changes. It is at present in the middle of massive change but unless you're only into clubbing, and the changes are to prevent that, I can't see how it makes you want to quit? As I've stated, my matches are all over the place with the only main difference from before being that I'm seeing much higher spec mechs and weapons now which means I get handed a lot... But! I'm having and I guess that goes for most folks many more challenging matches. Does anyone else find this? |
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Post by Grimsunder on Jan 21, 2017 10:57:32 GMT -5
sad sad sad " i have a lot of my friends quitting this game as we speak" Tbh I feel that's sad and more than a little premature to quit so early into these changes. It is at present in the middle of massive change but unless you're only into clubbing, and the changes are to prevent that, I can't see how it makes you want to quit? As I've stated, my matches are all over the place with the only main difference from before being that I'm seeing much higher spec mechs and weapons now which means I get handed a lot... But! I'm having and I guess that goes for most folks many more challenging matches. Does anyone else find this? My matches so far have been pretty evenly paired. Lvl 9 bots lvl 9/10 weapons. |
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Post by lephturn on Jan 21, 2017 11:26:13 GMT -5
Try a medium hangar 4/6. You'll change your tune.
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Post by zman on Jan 21, 2017 11:45:46 GMT -5
Try a medium hangar 4/6. You'll change your tune. Most reports of balanced games are coming in the Higher levels and potentially working their way down. This could be indicative of people setting their Elos and hopefully a slowdown of skilled players with weaker hangers getting beat up on. That is unfortunatly what happens when Elos started at a default number, and I'm guessing it was low. Then Hanger Strength for a default or low Elo player was not enough to push them away from the weaker hanger players with developed Elos. Time should be sorting this problem out, it seems to have settled down somewhat for me, less good TT buys, more mediocre ones in addition to the better HG players. |
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Post by lephturn on Jan 21, 2017 12:32:33 GMT -5
Interesting - but it means that hangar score is not weighted heavily at all. I can see why, because it eliminates clubbing, but the issue then is that you have to run your highest possible hangar all the time.
I think it will work best with hangar first (fixed hangar not the exploitable mess they had before) and Elo second. It's clearly far the other way right now. They must be using hangar to modify your gains/losses in Elo based on what I'm seeing. The problem with that is that it can't adjust quickly enough.
We'll give it some time and see what happens. For now me playing 3/3 lights only and working slowly up to 6/5 lights will generate a data point for us to figure out what's going on.
I'm still winning 68% for some reason - probably just because I am capping - I'm dead last in damage or 2nd last every game.
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Post by zman on Jan 21, 2017 13:58:34 GMT -5
See, I think Hanger does matter, but most of the issues we've seen were due to low starting Elo score ms and a high uncertainty in that score. In theory weak Hanger plus strong Elo can be pitted against strong hanger weak Elo, except that when the default Elo score is low it absolutely brutalizes the people with good Elos and weak hangers
My last couple have games have been good, very close, with bots that have been tightening the grouping around 8/9-10/11. I'm seeing fewer clearly Top tier guys. The number of outliers for my games is no more than one or two per team, sometimes none now.
My last three games were super close, one I got voted out with a minute left and watched my team in 3v2 pick up a 4th beacon and deplete their strong lead with less than ten seconds on the clock. Absolute nail biter.
Last. Igor I had my closes most balanced game if War Robots I've ever had, balanced and each member of the team contributed a very similar amount to the win. Winrate dropped to 54% then crawled back to 60%.
I feel like it is getting better, the 12/12s and 7/7s I was seeing seem to be disappearing and it's getting closer and closer. I'm at 9/9.5 and it is noticeably better. It might just surprise us how good t is.
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Post by ivx on Jan 21, 2017 16:05:31 GMT -5
See, I think Hanger does matter, but most of the issues we've seen were due to low starting Elo score ms and a high uncertainty in that score. In theory weak Hanger plus strong Elo can be pitted against strong hanger weak Elo, except that when the default Elo score is low it absolutely brutalizes the people with good Elos and weak hangers My last couple have games have been good, very close, with bots that have been tightening the grouping around 8/9-10/11. I'm seeing fewer clearly Top tier guys. The number of outliers for my games is no more than one or two per team, sometimes none now. My last three games were super close, one I got voted out with a minute left and watched my team in 3v2 pick up a 4th beacon and deplete their strong lead with less than ten seconds on the clock. Absolute nail biter. Last. Igor I had my closes most balanced game if War Robots I've ever had, balanced and each member of the team contributed a very similar amount to the win. Winrate dropped to 54% then crawled back to 60%. I feel like it is getting better, the 12/12s and 7/7s I was seeing seem to be disappearing and it's getting closer and closer. I'm at 9/9.5 and it is noticeably better. It might just surprise us how good t is. ... then I guess all of us not in the 8/8-10/10 bracket are lagging behind in this. As a 4/7 average, I see a lot of 10/10s matched well together in my matches, virtually every single time there's more than six 8/8 - 10/10 people combined on both sides. The rest of us are 4/6 - 5/6 and odd levels though; and so far, this hasn't shifted. The only difference I've seen so far is that there isn't a full 12/12 in every match - now it's every few matches. But what difference does it make really, 10/10 or 12/12... Same end result usually, and the same fact that I simply can't meaningfully contribute to the match except by pretty much amusing the opponents for a few seconds and providing my heavy team mates those few seconds to do something useful with. I've actually managed some very decent damage by hiding behind heavy teammates and playing paper/rock/scissors with rockets/plasma while they're busy shooting at my team. That's about all the game is for me (and a looooooooooot of other people) right now. As much as I agree that all of this is to save Pixonic's revenue from being clubbed to death by the monsters they unwittingly created, I don't believe something this extreme was ever the intention. Who's going to buy their 1200 and 2500 AU purchases? So overall, I do think they will either retract this or fix it otherwise. |
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Post by den1z on Jan 21, 2017 16:25:53 GMT -5
My mech average is 5 and weapon is 7 over my full hanger of light and mediums. Tbh, it's seeming to work out ok overall. There are exceptions. In setting a lot of higher leveled mechs, especially heavies, with equal or slightly lower weapons. I guess it's still sorting itself out.
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Post by zman on Jan 21, 2017 16:46:25 GMT -5
See, I think Hanger does matter, but most of the issues we've seen were due to low starting Elo score ms and a high uncertainty in that score. In theory weak Hanger plus strong Elo can be pitted against strong hanger weak Elo, except that when the default Elo score is low it absolutely brutalizes the people with good Elos and weak hangers My last couple have games have been good, very close, with bots that have been tightening the grouping around 8/9-10/11. I'm seeing fewer clearly Top tier guys. The number of outliers for my games is no more than one or two per team, sometimes none now. My last three games were super close, one I got voted out with a minute left and watched my team in 3v2 pick up a 4th beacon and deplete their strong lead with less than ten seconds on the clock. Absolute nail biter. Last. Igor I had my closes most balanced game if War Robots I've ever had, balanced and each member of the team contributed a very similar amount to the win. Winrate dropped to 54% then crawled back to 60%. I feel like it is getting better, the 12/12s and 7/7s I was seeing seem to be disappearing and it's getting closer and closer. I'm at 9/9.5 and it is noticeably better. It might just surprise us how good t is. ... then I guess all of us not in the 8/8-10/10 bracket are lagging behind in this. As a 4/7 average, I see a lot of 10/10s matched well together in my matches, virtually every single time there's more than six 8/8 - 10/10 people combined on both sides. The rest of us are 4/6 - 5/6 and odd levels though; and so far, this hasn't shifted. The only difference I've seen so far is that there isn't a full 12/12 in every match - now it's every few matches. But what difference does it make really, 10/10 or 12/12... Same end result usually, and the same fact that I simply can't meaningfully contribute to the match except by pretty much amusing the opponents for a few seconds and providing my heavy team mates those few seconds to do something useful with. I've actually managed some very decent damage by hiding behind heavy teammates and playing paper/rock/scissors with rockets/plasma while they're busy shooting at my team. That's about all the game is for me (and a looooooooooot of other people) right now. As much as I agree that all of this is to save Pixonic's revenue from being clubbed to death by the monsters they unwittingly created, I don't believe something this extreme was ever the intention. Who's going to buy their 1200 and 2500 AU purchases? So overall, I do think they will either retract this or fix it otherwise. So, what you are saying is that it is improving. You aren't seeing the 12/12s very often anymore, and the frequency I'm seeing them is going down too. That is the system shifting them upwards as their Elos get established and their hanger strength shifts them higher. And yes, people with mid to low strength hangers and established Elos are lagging behind because there are still lots of people without established Elos. For instance I rarely see anyone 8/8 or lower anymore. Occasional mismatches, but it's getting better. Why? My Elo is established now and im playing above them. You're acting like the sky is falling but we are roughly 3 days in and it is sorting itself out. And by your own admission you're still scoring decent damage in some matches and I get getting some gold too, probabaly beacons, and managing. It is so pronounced for you because you've played so much so early, and it doesn't matter how fine tuned you're elo is, you're playing in the middle of the turbulence where the MM operates to separate people. Had you been a poorer player my guess is you'd be seeing a better spread of competition, but your Elo is keeping you in the fray. You say it doesn't make a difference if it's 12/12s or 10/10s, but that is a big difference, and a dog the system is sorting. Given the signs of sorting you are seeing, why so pessimistic that it won't keep stratifying and sorting the player base? The signs I'm seeing up towards the Top, where things will settle down first, tell me that things are indeed getting sorted. I'm willing to bet by a week in it works. So many people threaten to leave the game, but how many wouldn't check back in in a week or two and see it calmed down and come back. I bet most would. You keep acting like how the MM is today, is how it is going to stay and Is bet good money you're wrong. The real question is how good will it get, and we are at least a couple of days away from figuring out if it works. If it is bothering you so much, take a day or two off, bet it's boticeably better when you get back. |
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Post by lephturn on Jan 21, 2017 19:11:11 GMT -5
Seems I'm just in the worst spot, with a low level hanger and an established Elo. I just have to slowly level my mediums to match my weapons and it should start to sort out. I don't have a bot over level 4 with most 1-3 with the exception of one Griffin I have not run. All my good weapons are tiers 6-7 so this is bumping me way up. It will be a while before I get my hangar sorted out and get a fleet of Boas up to 6 or 7 to compete reasonably with what I am seeing.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Jan 21, 2017 19:27:17 GMT -5
This thread was originally intended to celebrate and discuss the act of Pixonic naming this forum & Wikia community as "Insiders". It's now 14 pages long, but the discussion has mostly degenerated into right-fighting and opinion-ation on unrelated subject matters that are discussed in-depth in other threads. Please cease and desist immediately. Please review the following list in detail, and make sure you are not using any of those tactics. Because some of you are, very blatantly. web.cn.edu/kwheeler/fallacies_list.html |
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Post by SlowReflexes on Jan 21, 2017 19:51:10 GMT -5
sad sad sad " i have a lot of my friends quitting this game as we speak" Tbh I feel that's sad and more than a little premature to quit so early into these changes. It is at present in the middle of massive change but unless you're only into clubbing, and the changes are to prevent that, I can't see how it makes you want to quit? As I've stated, my matches are all over the place with the only main difference from before being that I'm seeing much higher spec mechs and weapons now which means I get handed a lot... But! I'm having and I guess that goes for most folks many more challenging matches. Does anyone else find this? Phoenix is on Android. He's not talking about the crazy iOS MM changes. |
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Post by Strayed on Jan 21, 2017 21:07:37 GMT -5
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Post by genesis5 on Jan 24, 2017 23:21:55 GMT -5
Well..... Not to sound so negative....but you should enjoy drop in members and new players....well done!!!!!
I've lost three squad members and simply do not know how new players will even want to play after three battles against Lev 12 bots. I hope you also enjoy attempting to grab cash from addicted players. I've played two years and you will get no more money from me. Your marketing strategy annoys me anyway....periodic bull to grab cash and "fix" issues and try to be hero. I've learned to adapt ...but simply can't adapt to this new MM....have fun drop membership for cash. And you were proud of new members.....I'm laughing .....!!!!!!
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 24, 2017 23:44:52 GMT -5
Well..... Not to sound so negative....but you should enjoy drop in members and new players....well done!!!!! I've lost three squad members and simply do not know how new players will even want to play after three battles against Lev 12 bots. I hope you also enjoy attempting to grab cash from addicted players. I've played two years and you will get no more money from me. Your marketing strategy annoys me anyway....periodic bull to grab cash and "fix" issues and try to be hero. I've learned to adapt ...but simply can't adapt to this new MM....have fun drop membership for cash. And you were proud of new members.....I'm laughing .....!!!!!! Dude - this forum is not a direct access link to Pixonics - send Pixo comments thru their FB site or email in the game. And saying "not to sound negative" - your entire post is negative. There is no cash grab by the moderators but I think they would be happy if you sent them a nice gift for posting such a poo poo message. If you can't adapt then you would've died anyhow so bye bye. And your 3 battles against H12/12 bots is a drop in the bucket vs what others have gone thru...so grab yourself by the balls if you have any and man up....if you are able. Kinda doubt it. |
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Jan 25, 2017 5:52:04 GMT -5
Well..... Not to sound so negative....but you should enjoy drop in members and new players....well done!!!!! I've lost three squad members and simply do not know how new players will even want to play after three battles against Lev 12 bots. I hope you also enjoy attempting to grab cash from addicted players. I've played two years and you will get no more money from me. Your marketing strategy annoys me anyway....periodic bull to grab cash and "fix" issues and try to be hero. I've learned to adapt ...but simply can't adapt to this new MM....have fun drop membership for cash. And you were proud of new members.....I'm laughing .....!!!!!! Dude - this forum is not a direct access link to Pixonics - send Pixo comments thru their FB site or email in the game. And saying "not to sound negative" - your entire post is negative. There is no cash grab by the moderators but I think they would be happy if you sent them a nice gift for posting such a poo poo message. If you can't adapt then you would've died anyhow so bye bye. And your 3 battles against H12/12 bots is a drop in the bucket vs what others have gone thru...so grab yourself by the balls if you have any and man up....if you are able. Kinda doubt it. Lolololo, he's played "two years" and can't hang against 12's. What on earth were you doing the entire time? Hell, I know guys who have started playing literally 4 months ago who are doing "decent" against max guys in their 6/8 hangars. And they've played 1/6 the time you've been playing Genesis... |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 28, 2017 0:20:30 GMT -5
For me... On android... Deffo seems to be leveling out. Sure there are bad games... But like all have been saying... If you slow down and have any kind of support from your team... You can excel in skill if not score. Have had my smackdowns... but have also had damn close games and when it was over, realized I did better than a 10/12 team. It's not impossible to do well... Just tighten up the loose parts of your game and roll.
iOS, well... Hang in there!
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Post by Kinetic1 on Jan 29, 2017 6:17:34 GMT -5
As someone who has sc「grape」 by every level without farming upgrading non stop for over a year on the way to a full 12 hangar minus my new ancile...I'm really liking the new MM  *ducks and hides from angry mob* |
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Post by FunkenA on Jan 30, 2017 12:10:45 GMT -5
I hate the new MM.. I've farmed, I have multiple hangars I can load but can't switch to any hangar without being up against extremely superior foes.
If I load my top hangar which is 9 bots 11/12 weps I go up against mostly 12/12 lance rhinos. Now this would be ok if I got rewards for playing but I am usually in the 4th thru 6th player when I am matched with 12/12 groups.. SO I get no gold and 2 coins. Sorry that's not worth my time or effort so now I tank cause I want more then 0 gold and 2 coins
I honestly don't care if we win or lose if the battles are good and i get a suitable reward for staying in the game for upgrading, but when only top 3 on a winning team gets gold and more coins well then I have to adjust so I to can get mor egold an dmore coins.
Doesn't make sesne that 12/12 players win most of the gold and event coins .. they're already maxed its the rest of us that need the resources
NOW before anyone rants on I should just play the game and enjoy it.. I enjoy progressing at a steady pace..
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Post by NearDeathExperience on Jan 30, 2017 19:31:54 GMT -5
While the new MM protects the non-30 level players, it takes the fun out of using simpler bots with less effective weapons that are sure to be seal-clubbed by the same boring max bots/weapons like Trident Fury, Rhino, Lancelot.
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Post by frunobulax on Jan 31, 2017 6:33:00 GMT -5
I hate the new MM.. I've farmed, I have multiple hangars I can load but can't switch to any hangar without being up against extremely superior foes. If I load my top hangar which is 9 bots 11/12 weps I go up against mostly 12/12 lance rhinos. I'm playing 10/10 robots on a regular basis with my hangar of 6/7 heavies and 7/8 Galahads. Top opponents being 9/9 is a good match for me. Going up against robots that have almost the same weapon level and only 2-3 more robot levels is a dream  Some changes to the MM though yesterday. Until then I was able to go back to a smaller hangar on android. Yesterday when I tried to move down to 2/7 mediums and 4/8 lights, my opponents actually got worse (10/12 and the like). Tried it for about 5 matches, switched back to my normal hangar and once again got 9/9 to 10/10 range. This is a headscratcher for sure. |
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Post by Darkraiplays_Is_Back on Jan 31, 2017 8:16:45 GMT -5
Pixo has released the War Robots fankit to us. I made a boo boo... we can't release it yet. So sorry... [removed] when will the wild bunch be released?!?!? i alrready saved over 1.5k gold for it! |
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Post by Muhlakai on Jan 31, 2017 10:59:49 GMT -5
If I load my top hangar which is 9 bots 11/12 weps I go up against mostly 12/12 lance rhinos. Half of your problem is that your weapon levels are too high. Best advice these days is equal bot and weapon levels. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 12:38:24 GMT -5
If I load my top hangar which is 9 bots 11/12 weps I go up against mostly 12/12 lance rhinos. Half of your problem is that your weapon levels are too high. Best advice these days is equal bot and weapon levels. The other half of your problem is that once you pass the 6/6 heavy (or equivalent) point, the MM feels quite free to throw up to max level opponents at you. Since going back down generally isn't a option without a full scale tank job, you need to level bots/weapons to the point where the difference between you and max hangars isn't substantial. |
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