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Post by Muhlakai on Jan 16, 2017 19:39:09 GMT -5
Just for the sake of the argument, assume that the hangar score counts 90% and the ELO 10%. Then you would lose a lot of battles against equalized hangars, because the ELO won't compensate enough. If skill isn't the vast majority of the overall score then there wouldn't be much point in using it. Fundamentally, it would be the same as the current system that just adds 10% if your win rate is high. Also, it's Elo, not ELO. It's a guy's name, not an acronym.
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Post by ipwng0dz on Jan 17, 2017 0:54:43 GMT -5
With an adjusting MM all the devs really need to do is make the work to manipulate the rating system less appealing than the rewards they stand to gain.
For example: only allow the scores of the games you've completed to count towards your score and make the MM adjust on a tiered scale (first 20 completed games can only adjust your score x amount, 21-40 only able to adjust your score y amount, etc) then have the bucket that has all your eligible scores track the last 100 games. This way it would take a very long time to lower your ranking in a meaningful manner.
All of this is assuming that a player only wants to lower their rating because at this time the rewards are equal no matter which bracket you play in.
Let's not forget that if the new adjustments include higher rewards at higher brackets it might make more sense to be the lowest player in a higher bracket than the highest player in a lower bracket to gold farm.
A note to the dev's if they're reading this... transparency is key. It'll give more incentives to reach goals (buying/using gold to upgrade to reach hangar strength milestones or buying different weapons for bots to keep at different levels so we can jump around tiers with clan mates etc). There's nothing worse than spending money on a game and accidentally level something too much to play with, it increases churn rate.
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Jan 17, 2017 5:19:42 GMT -5
When is the update coming out? It's today, right? It doesn't seem to benin sight.
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Post by ivx on Jan 17, 2017 11:09:55 GMT -5
I was hoping it'd be out today. So I can find everything out, listen to all the complaints, then enjoy a week more on the iOS version and prepare for when ours changes too
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Jan 17, 2017 13:55:46 GMT -5
The update seems to have been pushed back a bit, not to worry it'll be out soon if all goes well. I'm going to guess they caught an error and are working to fix it. After all, it's better to have a delayed update if it's a near bug-free update, else there'll be so many complaints about buggy updates..
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Post by CanalDoNinja on Jan 17, 2017 17:44:21 GMT -5
As hyped as I am with this new MM, I am also concerned with how will they work in the game's "Free to play" mechanics. Even though unbalanced, seal clubbing is the most usefull f2p tactic in this game, removing that takes alot of the MM flaws but also the best way to farm for gold. I could be wrong since I am new, only 5 days playing, but I learned alot in those days and I'm almost buying my first Lance. Hope they put some rewards in the league system.
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Post by zman on Jan 17, 2017 19:33:14 GMT -5
As hyped as I am with this new MM, I am also concerned with how will they work in the game's "Free to play" mechanics. Even though unbalanced, seal clubbing is the most usefull f2p tactic in this game, removing that takes alot of the MM flaws but also the best way to farm for gold. I could be wrong since I am new, only 5 days playing, but I learned alot in those days and I'm almost buying my first Lance. Hope they put some rewards in the league system. More incentive to spend money on Au when you can no longer farm and seal club for it. Especially events like the Christmas event where Au is plentiful with just a little money spent.
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Post by Muhlakai on Jan 17, 2017 21:06:35 GMT -5
Even though unbalanced, seal clubbing is the most usefull f2p tactic in this game, removing that takes alot of the MM flaws but also the best way to farm for gold. Geps are far from the only reliable Au farming technique. Thunder schutzes, Cossacks, brickfighting, or even just getting really good at whatever tier you're in are all methods that work well under the current system. Most likely Au farming will look different under the new MM, like you mentioned, too. Overall, better matches will encourage you to play more and earn more Au overall anyhow, so it's probably a bit early to say what will happen, especially since, as mentioned in other threads, the reward system will probably have to change in part anyhow.
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Post by CanalDoNinja on Jan 18, 2017 0:00:17 GMT -5
Even though unbalanced, seal clubbing is the most usefull f2p tactic in this game, removing that takes alot of the MM flaws but also the best way to farm for gold. Geps are far from the only reliable Au farming technique. Thunder schutzes, Cossacks, brickfighting, or even just getting really good at whatever tier you're in are all methods that work well under the current system. Most likely Au farming will look different under the new MM, like you mentioned, too. Overall, better matches will encourage you to play more and earn more Au overall anyhow, so it's probably a bit early to say what will happen, especially since, as mentioned in other threads, the reward system will probably have to change in part anyhow. I'm not sure if seal clubbing means only using Geps, but endeed those are good opitions as well, but its really difficult to compete VS a Gep for 10 Gold (I have 2 and I dont plan in getting another one). Something I would like to see is some kind of "Achievements" section, something like "Kill x amount of bots with x weapon" and get a gold reward from it, and those Achievements could keep leveling up to get you even more rewards for a harder task. Also if this League system really is going to happen, it would be cool some end season rewards like they do on League of Legends, a bot skin or something like that would be really nice.
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Post by - Exteel 2.0 on Jan 18, 2017 2:25:30 GMT -5
Just for the sake of the argument, assume that the hangar score counts 90% and the ELO 10%. Then you would lose a lot of battles against equalized hangars, because the ELO won't compensate enough. If skill isn't the vast majority of the overall score then there wouldn't be much point in using it. Fundamentally, it would be the same as the current system that just adds 10% if your win rate is high. Also, it's Elo, not ELO. It's a guy's name, not an acro%nym. Nazi
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Post by Strayed on Jan 18, 2017 3:09:06 GMT -5
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Post by Thor82 on Jan 18, 2017 9:26:38 GMT -5
I am so disappointed with what you have done with the match making. Whatever bots i run i get placed into thhe gold tier . Are you freaking serious ? I have been playing this game faithfully for more than one year and you reward me with this messed up matchmaking ? Please restore the game matchmaking to previous. If this continues, you will definitely see many players leaving this game. Appreciate if you please address this urgently .
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Post by Muhlakai on Jan 18, 2017 9:36:18 GMT -5
Whatever bots i run i get placed into thhe gold tier . Are you freaking serious ? If you start a thread in the Tips & Advice section with a picture of your hangar perhaps WE can help you with that. Seriously.
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Post by Muhlakai on Jan 18, 2017 9:39:12 GMT -5
Also, it's Elo, not ELO. It's a guy's name, not an acro%nym. Nazi Nope. Although Hungarian-born, Arpad Elo lived in the US long before the Nazis ever came to power. ??
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Post by Golden Sabre on Jan 18, 2017 9:49:14 GMT -5
I am so disappointed with what you have done with the match making. Whatever bots i run i get placed into thhe gold tier . Are you freaking serious ? I have been playing this game faithfully for more than one year and you reward me with this messed up matchmaking ? Please restore the game matchmaking to previous. If this continues, you will definitely see many players leaving this game. Appreciate if you please address this urgently . You are aware this is a forum run by the players, not the developers, correct ? We are here to help each other, perhaps even make a few friends. You coming in with your chest all puffed out and bad attitude threatening to quit the game is laughable. If you have a problem with the developers, take it up with them. If its the players personally , well then bye Felicia.
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Post by zman on Jan 18, 2017 14:17:57 GMT -5
I am so disappointed with what you have done with the match making. Whatever bots i run i get placed into thhe gold tier . Are you freaking serious ? I have been playing this game faithfully for more than one year and you reward me with this messed up matchmaking ? Please restore the game matchmaking to previous. If this continues, you will definitely see many players leaving this game. Appreciate if you please address this urgently . What is your current hanger? Were you clubbing and farming at lower levels? If so, the new MM is probably evaluating your skill and giving you harder oponents. That easily enough could be a push from what was high silver to what is now trash gold or even solidly gold.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 18, 2017 18:15:30 GMT -5
Hey weed... is there any hope for actual confirmation from Pix of whether or not it has been implemented on each OS?
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Post by Muhlakai on Jan 18, 2017 18:30:54 GMT -5
What is your current hanger? It's great that you're trying to be helpful, but this is the wrong place for that. He needs to post in another thread, not muck up this one with irrelevant topics.
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Post by ShutUpAndSmokeMyWeed on Jan 18, 2017 19:54:29 GMT -5
Hey weed... is there any hope for actual confirmation from Pix of whether or not it has been implemented on each OS? Not yet, but the answer is probably yes for iOS and no for Android. It'll definitely be in effect by the time they release 2.5 though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 21:28:31 GMT -5
Any word as to what the gunslingers will cost? I'm assuming WSP because of their trumped up dollar costs(snowflakes). If they're Au it'll be dissapointing, as that will make 11 Ag bots, 9 Au bots and (still) 5 Wsp bots.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 1:10:47 GMT -5
Pix make a mistake, never. Pix find one and fix ..........inconcievable!
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Post by ΜØØSE on Jan 19, 2017 1:49:35 GMT -5
I'd like to see an actual penalty for entering a battle and ditching. It's only fair, since the players that were left to fight are essentially penalized... They probably won't get gold.
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Jan 19, 2017 9:37:11 GMT -5
I am so disappointed with what you have done with the match making. Whatever bots i run i get placed into the gold tier . Are you freaking serious ? I have been playing this game faithfully for more than one year and you reward me with this messed up matchmaking ? Please restore the game matchmaking to previous. If this continues, you will definitely see many players leaving this game. Appreciate if you please address this urgently . Okay bye! Have fun! While we do have Pixonic's staff looking on this forum from time to time, this is a player-run forum The intent of the game is so you don't stay in any specific tier forever. Not intended to constantly club new players Learn to be a better player
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Post by ivx on Jan 19, 2017 9:52:29 GMT -5
The intent of the game is so you don't stay in any specific tier forever. Not intended to constantly club new players Learn to be a better player But being a better player gets you clubbed now. I am a 'better player' with my 4/7 average medium hangar. Even under the new MM I can get a fairly high %. Being better means I now get matched with progressively tougher opponents up to finally 12/12. Then I get clubbed by HG/TT until I lose enough % to drop back down. Being better doesn't give you higher skilled opponents fielding what you field. It gives you the same - or less - skilled opponents fielding bots twice your weight, firepower and health. So my 70% win rate Carnage or Rog goes against their 50-70% Lance or Fury. And even their 50% War Robots 12/12 heavy can still kill my 4/7 70% War Robots medium easier than the other way around. But I think most of the higher level people on this forum wouldn't understand this simply because they *are* higher level, with a large time advantage over the rest. I really wonder how's it going to look for new players after they've played for a month or two.
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Post by zman on Jan 19, 2017 10:32:36 GMT -5
The intent of the game is so you don't stay in any specific tier forever. Not intended to constantly club new players Learn to be a better player But being a better player gets you clubbed now. I am a 'better player' with my 4/7 average medium hangar. Even under the new MM I can get a fairly high %. Being better means I now get matched with progressively tougher opponents up to finally 12/12. Then I get clubbed by HG/TT until I lose enough % to drop back down. Being better doesn't give you higher skilled opponents fielding what you field. It gives you the same - or less - skilled opponents fielding bots twice your weight, firepower and health. So my 70% win rate Carnage or Rog goes against their 50-70% Lance or Fury. And even their 50% War Robots 12/12 heavy can still kill my 4/7 70% War Robots medium easier than the other way around. But I think most of the higher level people on this forum wouldn't understand this simply because they *are* higher level, with a large time advantage over the rest. I really wonder how's it going to look for new players after they've played for a month or two. But, the system will match you with like players with similar hangers and similar skill, but there is probably a shortage of 4/7 guys so it is looking for stronger hangers to match your skill. Before, being at the top of a tier, it wouldn't reach higher and always had to reach lower and give you proverbial seals to club. There just aren't enough people with similar hangers to yours that are at your skill level to match against. They system also needs more time to fully adjust and stratify itself, there are just so many people especially higher hanger strength people with low Elos playing their first couple matches and likely drawing you. I know, I have a High Gold hanger and for my first handful of matches beat the crap out of players just like you, now I haven't seen any if at least a half dozen matched. The only time you should be getting clubbed by HG/TT players is when the are playign their first couple of games, after that they should move beyond you like I did. If they are a mediocre or poor player, it is possible that you could be matched against them, but we won't know the full extent of the Hanger Strength vs Elo until the MM settles down and that is a waiting and playing game. The system needs everyone playing more games to settle down, any player playing a ton will still see very odd matches until then.
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Post by ivx on Jan 19, 2017 11:16:59 GMT -5
I know, I have a High Gold hanger and for my first handful of matches beat the crap out of players just like you, now I haven't seen any if at least a half dozen matched. The only time you should be getting clubbed by HG/TT players is when the are playign their first couple of games, after that they should move beyond you like I did. If they are a mediocre or poor player, it is possible that you could be matched against them, but we won't know the full extent of the Hanger Strength vs Elo until the MM settles down and that is a waiting and playing game. The system needs everyone playing more games to settle down, any player playing a ton will still see very odd matches until then. I really hope it all turns out like you say. I'd be happy facing similar people with similar skill levels throughout the tiers - especially if multiple tiers were still possible to play in so we could have different hangars and play styles. I don't mind getting wrecked by heavies once in a while - the sheer awesome display of firepower is amazing to see even if you're on the receiving end of it. And it promotes careful, thoughtful, alert play where knowledge of your own and your opponents' strengths and weaknesses and your general battlefield awareness do actually make a difference. But all within boundaries, and certainly hopefully not to happen as a guaranteed end result of being good (a high War Robots).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 15:39:33 GMT -5
So no Gunslingers for sale still. So gotta do the lunatic tournament, and hopefully roll the slot and get one..........lol
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 19, 2017 19:12:46 GMT -5
So no Gunslingers for sale still. So gotta do the lunatic tournament, and hopefully roll the slot and get one..........lol I bet like last time you can buy the "lunar coins" with RM and buy the gunslinger of your choice at a fairly steep price. Looks like they are not going to reveal the in shop price anytime soon.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Jan 19, 2017 19:22:24 GMT -5
So no Gunslingers for sale still. So gotta do the lunatic tournament, and hopefully roll the slot and get one..........lol For whatever reason the gunslingers don't interest me. But I do rather enjoy the events. I also think it's good that they reward the losing team as well.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 19, 2017 19:39:40 GMT -5
SlowReflexes , I won a Jesse last event... played it... hated it... shelved it. Queue the latest update. Jesse speed buffed and switch time reduced... it's turned out to be a lot of fun! Running Pinatas and Aphids and really surprised at how well it's turning out to be. At level 8 speed is 62, so it's a fast little cowbot. Lookin' more and more at that Doc now...
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