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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 12:35:28 GMT -5
how much better is the real issue. some say it should be overpowered, but i believe it should be better then the alternatives by a decent amount, so that a good person can use then to win, but they are better if both have equal skill. Thats the problem right now; any idiot piloting the Ancile Lancelot can defeat any AG bot no matter on the skill of the pilot.
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Post by SATmaster728 on May 25, 2017 12:42:13 GMT -5
how much better is the real issue. some say it should be overpowered, but i believe it should be better then the alternatives by a decent amount, so that a good person can use then to win, but they are better if both have equal skill. Thats the problem right now; any idiot piloting the Ancile Lancelot can defeat any AG bot no matter on the skill of the pilot. not really, if you have a griffin, it can jump over it or move around unloading plasma into the butt of it. I do believe the ancilot's weakness is low speed and low damage for the speed. the counter to everything counters the ancilot:more that one person, like 2 griffins.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 12:56:12 GMT -5
not really, if you have a griffin, it can jump over it or move around unloading plasma into the butt of it. I do believe the ancilot's weakness is low speed and low damage for the speed. the counter to everything counters the ancilot:more that one person, like 2 griffins. Ancile Lancelots can turn around too. It has low speed, yes, but when it is rushing, it has the speed of a Galahad. The Ancile Lancelot also has the firepower of the Rogatka which is not too low. And we are talking about one gold bot versus one silver bot, yes? Not one gold bot and two silver bots.
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Post by greyhawk on May 25, 2017 14:23:56 GMT -5
how much better is the real issue. some say it should be overpowered, but i believe it should be better then the alternatives by a decent amount, so that a good person can use then to win, but they are better if both have equal skill. Thats the problem right now; any idiot piloting the Ancile Lancelot can defeat any AG bot no matter on the skill of the pilot. No way, in silver and gold (android) is full of pilot that believe their ancilot is immortal and i crack them often with in order: Thunder magnum Leo Plasma Rhino Thunder Carnage Thunder pinata Leo I know Carnage and Rhino are not pure silver bot but as you convert silver in Wsp they totally are in the end
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 14:46:36 GMT -5
That's because it's Silver and Gold
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Post by greyhawk on May 25, 2017 14:58:26 GMT -5
That's because it's Silver and Gold You have said an idiot...so i've told you that you are wrong , an idiot will always loose whatever he pilot!
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Post by Firebeard on May 25, 2017 15:00:56 GMT -5
Too powerful. Every Mecha is now useless. I'm very disappointed. You don't Buff the Weapons and not the Mecha to compensate.
The Punisher Mk2 is now the most powerful weapon in the game. They tightened the arc and a pair of them will destroy any Mecha.
Very disappointed ..
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Post by Thunderkiss on May 25, 2017 15:32:05 GMT -5
Tulumbus fires while reloading! As pins! and piniata And orkans have 15% more damage! Coming up in new update.. sorry I am not completely buying this just based off $$$. Why would anyone spend money(gold) on Orks when you can get a Tulu for just silver???. Take this and add another 200m and its a no brainer. Because orkans are friggin AMAZING now as opposed to just awesome before.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 15:47:08 GMT -5
That's because it's Silver and Gold You have said an idiot...so i've told you that you are wrong , an idiot will always loose whatever he pilot! Not.with.an.Ancile.Lancelot
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Post by greyhawk on May 25, 2017 16:18:40 GMT -5
You have said an idiot...so i've told you that you are wrong , an idiot will always loose whatever he pilot! Not.with.an.Ancile.Lancelot Rlly i can't understand all this love for ancile lancelot, is something that have a mediocre firepower, mediocre speed and works only if in multiple copyes with a good support behind, is plenty of bots that can destroy it in 1 on 1 among my seven account ( yes i've opened another one for some reason) i have 2 lancelot and for sure i'm not gonna play them with ancile/taran also if i could...there are much better load out for me because i play only solo matches and i need versatile bots not something that work with one strategy only!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 16:19:37 GMT -5
Once you have fought it one versus one, you'll see that it is not that easy.
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Post by greyhawk on May 25, 2017 18:19:08 GMT -5
Once you have fought it one versus one, you'll see that it is not that easy. Already done, many times and with different bots, in live and test server and ok if you do not have a good counter you are screwed but that's it for many other bots ancile lancelot is beatable like any other bot , all depends on pilot skill, position on the field and type of bot and weapons personally there are other things that i fear more than an ancilance
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 18:21:11 GMT -5
I think we are assuming both pilot's skill are the same or the Ancile Lancelot's pilot skill is lower. But in my experience, if you don't have the Thunder Orkan Lancelot or the Plasma Galahad, chances are you will lose.
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Post by greyhawk on May 25, 2017 18:32:09 GMT -5
I think we are assuming both pilot's skill are the same or the Ancile Lancelot's pilot skill is lower. But in my experience, if you don't have the Thunder Orkan Lancelot or the Plasma Galahad, chances are you will lose. Assuming that bots and weapon are on tge same lvl try with a thunder punisher lancelot,with an orkan rogatka ,an orkan dash (no matter what type) , a simple plasma rhino,a thunder pinata or a thunder mag or a thunder punisher leo,not mentioning everything with a couple of zeus mounted , thunder Carnage can do the job to but requires more skill and thanks to the new mechanic also a thunder pin leo or a thunder pin/tulu golem can do the job! Ancilance is tought but is plenty of weak spot, from mobility, to range, to lack of firepower,to a sheap that maximize bullet spreading effectivness, exploit one or more of them and you will win easely
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 18:43:34 GMT -5
Alright, I will try some of those builds but I already tried some of those. Thunder Punisher does not work, and neither does a Thunder Magnums. Closest I have gotten to killing it 1v1 with a Leo setup was with Aphids or Pinatas (by close, I mean that I chipped 50% of the Ancile Lancelot's health). Thunder Carnage definitely does not work, and neither will the Golem. Dash MK3 works, but not the MK2 or MK1 (yes I jumped inside the bubble).
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 18:53:44 GMT -5
I think we are assuming both pilot's skill are the same or the Ancile Lancelot's pilot skill is lower. But in my experience, if you don't have the Thunder Orkan Lancelot or the Plasma Galahad, chances are you will lose. I don't know what this thread is about, but those are the 2 common counters to an Ancilot. But honestly, any bot can counter with some teamwork. I've pounced on an Ancilot's backside with a Carnage Thunder while he was distracted. Flank one on Canyon or Shenzhen with a Fujin, and melt him before he knows what's hitting him. You can use the Griffin's jump so he's the monkey in the middle, then one of you will have a clear shot at him. Etc. Any other bots I missed? Trident Fury can focus fire on Ancilots, and you see every Carnage and RDB Griffin joining in on the fun. Thunder Carnage or even Leo can drain his shield, so he becomes a slower, ineffectual Galahad. I'd say the biggest weakness of Ancilot is their cockiness. I just played a game on Shenzhen, and scouted out a lot of them dropping on red so I brought out my counter. I put in a Thunder Orkan Lancelot before the game because I know squadding will put me with Masters and Champions with lots of Lancelots. I found a straggler, and waited for a teammate to come help. Then as he attacked, I tried to flank him. I had to follow him deep into the buildings (what I call the bank), and melted him. Just as I finished him off, another red Lancelot entered the fray with rockets firing so I retreated to safety narrowly avoiding his rockets using my dash. After a full set of Orkans, I finished him off since he had depleted his on the friendly Galahad. Another Lancelot came around the corner and same deal. In the end, my Lancelot took down 3 Ancilots and a DB Griffin using some teamwork and strategy.
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Post by greyhawk on May 25, 2017 18:59:54 GMT -5
Alright, I will try some of those builds but I already tried some of those. Thunder Punisher does not work, and neither does a Thunder Magnums. Closest I have gotten to killing it 1v1 with a Leo setup was with Aphids or Pinatas (by close, I mean that I chipped 50% of the Ancile Lancelot's health). Thunder Carnage definitely does not work, and neither will the Golem. Dash MK3 works, but not the MK2 or MK1 (yes I jumped inside the bubble). I've killed a lot with Mk1 and 2 just dash behind him in the bubble and it's done exp mk1 can dash and run so fast that is nearly untouchable, with thunder punisher it's easey, just engage him from 351 to 500 m (safe mode) or below 100 m (risky mode), rush when he rush to mantain distance and empty the clip a couple of times ...job done
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 19:06:26 GMT -5
@macwarrobots - Right on point. Thunder Orkan Lancelot and the Plasma Galahad are the two counters to the Ancile Lancelot. greyhawk - In my experience, the MK1 possess too little firepower to even dent the Ancile Lancelot. The MK2 has no shield and even if it manages to get inside the shield, 2 cycles of the Ancile Lancelot's weapons can take it out.
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Post by greyhawk on May 25, 2017 19:22:00 GMT -5
@macwarrobots - Right on point. Thunder Orkan Lancelot and the Plasma Galahad are the two counters to the Ancile Lancelot. greyhawk - In my experience, the MK1 possess too little firepower to even dent the Ancile Lancelot. The MK2 has no shield and even if it manages to get inside the shield, 2 cycles of the Ancile Lancelot's weapons can take it out. If they fully hit sure but mk2 is to fast so using dash and circling lancelot will not hit you enought before he is dead! Or at least this is what usually happen every saturday and sunday to me in test server since i've started to play dashes
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 19:34:27 GMT -5
Every 2 dashes take 15 seconds. The Lancelot will miss 2 rounds of the Taran, but that is still enough to take the Dash MK2 down. There is no stable League placements in Test Server, and therefore there is no competitive vibe so maybe the Ancile Lancelots you fight there are just playing casually.
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Post by shivaswrath on May 25, 2017 20:20:17 GMT -5
So! Let's do some math. Previously, my beloved Orkan Fujin could deal 154,116, assuming that every rockets hits. Of course, this is not ideal, especially with the proliferation of Lancelots and Rhinos charging center points quickly, and even so, they'd still have a good chance to retaliate as you landed the last 8-13 rockets at the slower rate to finish them off. Now, we have 1427 damage per rocket, times 36 rockets per salvo, times 3 R40M Orkans, multiplied by 115% to give a whopping total of 177,233.4 damage per volley, enough to instantly end a Lancelot or a Rhino, even at LVL 12. /maniacal laughter I have 5 level 9 Orkans that are going to get upgraded right now too! 2 for Lance and 3 for Fuijin! Now I need to update the remaining 4 at level 5...Goal in life: every bot in hangar has at least one ork. Muahahah.
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Post by mechtout on May 25, 2017 20:55:38 GMT -5
Once you have fought it one versus one, you'll see that it is not that easy. corner shoot with your plasmahad and you'll crack it. Also can fight someone else until you have help.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 21:06:50 GMT -5
Did you even read my posts above? I think I stated a few times that the Plasma Galahad and the Thunder Orkan Lancelot are the two counters to the Ancile Lancelot.
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Post by anjian on May 25, 2017 23:35:15 GMT -5
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Post by SATmaster728 on May 26, 2017 7:44:55 GMT -5
Did you even read my posts above? I think I stated a few times that the Plasma Galahad and the Thunder Orkan Lancelot are the two counters to the Ancile Lancelot. again, any team can beat it, especially if they are similar in armament. just today, i lost to a trident carnage and a taran/pin/thunder Lancelot. you keep saying one on one, but this game is not one on one. be a team player!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 8:37:47 GMT -5
Anything in a team can gang up on any bot.
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on May 26, 2017 18:15:20 GMT -5
So! Let's do some math. Previously, my beloved Orkan Fujin could deal 154,116, assuming that every rockets hits. Of course, this is not ideal, especially with the proliferation of Lancelots and Rhinos charging center points quickly, and even so, they'd still have a good chance to retaliate as you landed the last 8-13 rockets at the slower rate to finish them off. Now, we have 1427 damage per rocket, times 36 rockets per salvo, times 3 R40M Orkans, multiplied by 115% to give a whopping total of 177,233.4 damage per volley, enough to instantly end a Lancelot or a Rhino, even at LVL 12. /maniacal laughter Sorry to ?poo-poo? on your parade, but are you sure you know what you're talking about? 1 Orkan has 36 rockets per clip, and does 45,664 damage in a single salvo. So an Orkan Fujin would do 136,992 damage. Add 15% to that and it'll come out 157,540.8 damage. Check your calculations next time. Slow down, slick. According to the original page for the Orkan before the buff, a LVL 12 Orkan does 1,427 damage per rocket, by 36 rockets is 51,372 damage per Orkan. Times 3 is 154,116. See the damage chart here: faq.Walking War Robots.mobi/hc/en-us/articles/203715542 The page has not been updated to reflect post buff stats. I simply multiplied that damage total by 1.20.
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Post by BastionOW on May 27, 2017 5:21:09 GMT -5
Sorry to ?poo-poo? on your parade, but are you sure you know what you're talking about? 1 Orkan has 36 rockets per clip, and does 45,664 damage in a single salvo. So an Orkan Fujin would do 136,992 damage. Add 15% to that and it'll come out 157,540.8 damage. Check your calculations next time. Slow down, slick. According to the original page for the Orkan before the buff, a LVL 12 Orkan does 1,427 damage per rocket, by 36 rockets is 51,372 damage per Orkan. Times 3 is 154,116. See the damage chart here: faq.Walking War Robots.mobi/hc/en-us/articles/203715542 The page has not been updated to reflect post buff stats. I simply multiplied that damage total by 1.20. Whoops, I didn't mean to write 36, I meant to write 32. Regardless, 154,116 isn't the total number.
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on May 27, 2017 18:54:44 GMT -5
Slow down, slick. According to the original page for the Orkan before the buff, a LVL 12 Orkan does 1,427 damage per rocket, by 36 rockets is 51,372 damage per Orkan. Times 3 is 154,116. See the damage chart here: faq.Walking War Robots.mobi/hc/en-us/articles/203715542 The page has not been updated to reflect post buff stats. I simply multiplied that damage total by 1.20. Whoops, I didn't mean to write 36, I meant to write 32. Regardless, 154,116 isn't the total number. Sorry, think again! The max clip size IS 32. However, the weapon reloads while firing! The page indicates reload speed is 0.8 seconds per rocket. Guess what the page says the unload time is? 3.2 seconds. 0.8 fits in there 4 times, meaning there's 4 extra rockets for free in every full salvo. Sit down, I've done the math before tossing 3 Orkans on a robot as relatively flimsy as the Fujin.
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Post by 0ppressor on May 27, 2017 20:49:31 GMT -5
Should have been one or the other, either more damage, or continouos fire (with Orkan getting a damage buff). Buffing both damage AND ROF (Rate Of Fire) was unnecessary.
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