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Post by moody on Sept 27, 2017 22:17:14 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but i would expect level 11 weapons and bots to do well in diamond almost reagardless of which bots and weapons. LOL. 2 Leos, 2 Griffins, and a Rogatka in my hanger. Not exactly meta material, so I compensate with big guns. Ain't buyin' no dang lance. Fair enough. As long as you are enjoying the game and not hurting the experience for others.
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Post by moody on Sept 27, 2017 21:19:06 GMT -5
I'm using a thunder/punisher Leo in Diamond I. Weapons and bot are lvl 11. Anciles pop pretty easy beyond 350m. Great against Ancilots... and the random Carnage that starts his rush a little too far away. Tried using an ancile, but found I survive plasma better without it. I hate to say this, but i would expect level 11 weapons and bots to do well in diamond almost reagardless of which bots and weapons.
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Post by moody on Sept 27, 2017 19:14:03 GMT -5
PS. What is Platinum?
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Post by moody on Sept 27, 2017 19:10:19 GMT -5
Wait for a week and find out what components cost.
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Post by moody on Sept 26, 2017 22:20:54 GMT -5
I think that in the last 3-4 months the matchmaker, regardless of its purpose, has made the average match fun and challenging.
In this I think it's successful.
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Post by moody on Sept 26, 2017 19:18:10 GMT -5
In the last 2 days I've gotten it maybe in half my (few) matches. All during countdown.
I rarely ever have disconnect problems.
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 23:38:17 GMT -5
I have decided not to play. The point system is bogus. It has stripped me of over 70pts. I was the 2nd place on losing team kust now. -16 pts. How is that possible? 16 isnt even in the charts right? It sounds even more bugged.
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 22:18:02 GMT -5
IOS could be next as is generally the case so would not place much emphasis on what IOS guys see Most likely a glitch like the 10 keys but this could be for real. Think about it. 1. I think 2 points systems before the current one(on IOS) the MM was savage and the Points awarded made most people stay where they were. no movement. 2. points system changed and everyone started moving up (Current) 3. if this latest change is for real than they are pushing people down (maybe they feel not enough people lower down) so in effect Pix monitors the distribution of people in the leagues and changes the points system to rebalance the distribution as per their liking. cant see much wrong with that if that's the case. time will tell in any case. Your point two doesn't make sense. It is zero sum and I don't think that everyone is moving up. Even if those moving down are only tankers - for every positive point somebody else is getting a negative - how can everybody be moving up. Maybe there is a silent section of the community quietly moving down and because it is frowned upon they don't say anything.
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 22:15:35 GMT -5
IOS could be next as is generally the case so would not place much emphasis on what IOS guys see Most likely a glitch like the 10 keys but this could be for real. Think about it. 1. I think 2 points systems before the current one(on IOS) the MM was savage and the Points awarded made most people stay where they were. no movement. 2. points system changed and everyone started moving up (Current) 3. if this latest change is for real than they are pushing people down (maybe they feel not enough people lower down) so in effect Pix monitors the distribution of people in the leagues and changes the points system to rebalance the distribution as per their liking. cant see much wrong with that if that's the case. time will tell in any case. The distribution that "kept people where they were" was the zero sum, where losers always lost the inverse position of what winners gained. This was the correct one, as players shouldn't really rise or fall in ranks without a significant change to hangar or skill. Mail.ru made me really scratch my head at the statement of a ranking system where players stay where they are until their gear/performance gets better was a bad thing. As for the current state of the league points, points are currently funnelled up from the fact that newbie(recruit/rookie) leagues have absolutely no negative values. With an Elo system, every player has a base starting value, and points are created/destroyed based on the ratios between each players rank. In this mess, the base value people start out with are the points they get in Rookie/Private. The way the point system has been distributed up until now only serves to baloon the rank of the people at the top, and inflate scores overall as more points enter the system (beacon captures, newbies) than being destroyed (1:1 points given:taken away at base, 6 created on both sides due to beacon bonus). If they are going to overhaul leagues, they kind of need to stem the bleeding of points floating to the top so the game isn't turned on it's head for the next shyte show they've cooked up. Actually the most recent system was zero sum including the additional 6 points for beacons. But I totally agree with the fact that people staying in the same place unless there is a massive change in hangar or skill is correct.
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 20:29:30 GMT -5
I just checked with some IOS people myself. no change that side. I think this is an error.
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 20:08:59 GMT -5
The leo can corner shoot. No bot is made to stand in the open and just take damage. That is a sure way to just die. Fair point. However, I think that the leo’s thunder and the short burst of the piñatas make it a somewhat underwhelming corner shooter. Plus, it’s plodding nature oftentimes forces it into a face to face situation anyway, and a Leo is the bot best equipped to survive them as it’s an hp whale. You’re right that that isn’t a sustainable strategy, but it’s a limitation of the Leo, and I think sustained fire weapons take most advantage of that. Leo’s should never be leading the offense, but as a close range support bot who can briefly hold the fort when things go south is their niche. Please note. I don't say that corner shooting is purely a pinata thing. I sometimes (rarely) run a mag ancille leo and corner shoot with mags.
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 19:35:52 GMT -5
Just saying I think punishers or magnums are better on Leo than piñatas. The Leo is a bot meant for sustained damage over long periods, and punisher and magnum do that better than piñatas. The leo can corner shoot. No bot is made to stand in the open and just take damage. That is a sure way to just die.
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 19:11:25 GMT -5
I think Pixonic is trying to push everyone down leagues. The points gained in total of this new distribution system (not including beacons) is 31 points while the total loss is 77 points. Yes. This is way out of keeping with any previous distribution that keeps the overall score equal. People are going to DROP! Does anyone know if lower leagues still add points.
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 17:28:35 GMT -5
I have a clan but we don't spend much cash with all the dash bots and new weapons and I'm hearing more bots on the way that may be even stronger and also bot may upgrade passed lvl 12 what the Best hanger to build with sliver workshop and some gold that you build up in time for long term play I know it's hard to be competitive with guys that r willing to spend a ton of cash in game but I like the game don't want to leave the game just like to be able to not get my ?bum-bum? kicked all the time with all the new stuff on the way I know you need to use cover and stay out of range and watch your mach ups any advice besides spending a ton of cash All silver / wsp: RDB Griff Thunder Carnage Pinata thunder leo PDB griffin Some gold - 2 orkans DB Griffin
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 17:23:45 GMT -5
Yep -22 for 5th place loss. Seems to be an undocumented change rather than a bug?
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 17:21:50 GMT -5
This post isn't about the swings that we all know match monkey puts us through, as some above have interpreted it. There's a new bug where players' stats take a drastic dive for no reason. I have at least 2 clan mates who have had this happen. One of their pages says they're averaging 1.1 kills, just over 100k damage, when just last night he was over 500k. And no, he's not a tanker Agreed. We have a clanmate who has also dropped from a 600k average to a 100k average in a few games, and a clan leader who has dropped 150k without playing. Also, someone in wolf clan with a similar thing happening. Along with undocumented changes in league point distribution ( negatives for second place loss. -22 for 5th place loss).
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 17:07:36 GMT -5
Ok fair enough. I guess I was thinking iOS & Android were about the same and completely forgot about Gameroom as I usually do lol. Gameroom and the oft forgotten amazon are very different from IOS and Android, but even IOS and Android are significantly different. Generally an IOS player in Expert league would be in around Diamond league on Android.
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 8:42:23 GMT -5
I'd suggest the best time would be when they have 5000 au. Forgive me, I meant like an idea of when you should have the 5k Au saved up for the 5th slot by. And from talking to a lot of other F2P members, coupled with my own experience, it' seems like G1-D3 is around the time when Most players are starting to get close to 5k and also when the 5th slot starts to become an absolute necessity. Now, if players get the 5k much sooner than that and want to open the 5th, then sure, the sooner the better! But if they hit 5k much sooner and want to buy a pair of Orkans first, I see no problem with that as long as they can get back up to 5k again by Diamond and still open it around then. That's what I was trying to say. I had my 5th slot well before the league system dropped so i can't really comment on that. I will say that the leagues across 4 different operating systems are vastly different and therefore you can't really give a definitive response to that.
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 6:53:42 GMT -5
Great job! May I suggest adding a "rule of thumb" on a good time to have 5th slot open? I usually suggest near end of G1/before hitting diamond. Another suggestion would be to add "special instances" for buying Orks first before 5th. (I.e. If spent some RM on Au or won a chunk in the BM, bought one Orkan with RM in a sale or won one in BM then buy the other for a pair, etc.) You're guide, totally up to you. Just some ideas I thought I'd add if I may. Again, GJ so far. Now if we could just get the newbies to UTFSE ? EDIT: not sure when you plan on doing the WSP part but with the insider info and talk of repurposing them somehow in the forthcoming updates, you may want to keep that part rather simple in case you have to do some major editing. I'd suggest the best time would be when they have 5000 au.
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 0:29:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback. Ok, the mixed loadouts have obviously potential for optimization. So I will go back to pure specialization. The stalker is ok, for some beacons, but it turned out it just dies too quickly in the heavy bot laden gold leagues. I aldready tried a trident/pins loadout but I found the Trident incredibly weak. Am I wrong? Think I will try the following: Leo Thunder/Punisher Leo Tunder/Magnums Griffin Pins/Tulumbas Leo Trident/Pins Leo Nashorn/Gekkos The only issue I have with that is that it is range heavy. The actual bots are fine. I'd maybe swap the trident pin Leo for a thunder pinata leo for the moment. When you can afford it those pinatas could go with a pair of orkans for a DB griffin.
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Post by moody on Sept 24, 2017 21:05:59 GMT -5
Can you post your current hangar? 1M ag isn't a whole lot (in the grand scheme) which is another reason to shoot for getting everything to level 6. As moody says though if you feel like you are leaning one way or the other on types of weapons try to use them on your existing bots. It isn't the end of the world to switch weapon systems but you are at a time when you really feel the ag crunch so working to minimize that pain is good. By the time you have everything to 5 or 6 though there is generally enough time to out earn your spend. Paying for WSP does start to cut into that a bit but at your age and stage it is a good investment. I'd also recommend that as a new player get a number of weapons to lvl 6 after you've gotten your main hangar there. This allows you to try out both different weapons and different combination of weapons at a stage where they are effective. 6 is a good intersection of time and cost. The next tier where you will hear people reference is getting something to lvl 9. That level is a very good easy place to try out everything. Once you get to having an average hanger of 8 or 9 or 10 it's a big effort to try anything new. I tried punishers, I don't like them as much as I had hoped. I leveled them to 10. That's 54mil silver and almost a month of upgrade time wasted.
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Post by moody on Sept 24, 2017 20:42:45 GMT -5
I think I stuffed that for you. It was 54/54 a moment ago. Meanwhile I need another 9 posts for my post to be exactly double my karma. Which is sure to get a bunch of likes which is just going to take me further away from my goal
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Post by moody on Sept 24, 2017 20:41:59 GMT -5
50/50. At least my OCD is happy. I think I stuffed that for you. It was 54/54 a moment ago. Meanwhile I need another 9 posts for my post to be exactly double my karma.
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Post by moody on Sept 24, 2017 20:41:02 GMT -5
You have 50 posts and 50 karma, never seen something like that here. 50/50. At least my OCD is happy. I think I stuffed that for you. It was 54/54 a moment ago.
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Post by moody on Sept 24, 2017 20:10:26 GMT -5
Force yourself to walk everywhere and corner shoot as close to %100 of the time as possible with the Griffin. ONLY use the jump for escape. Its the Griffin training regimen, I'm telling you it will help Yup, working on it, thanks. Sorta getting it now. So decisions, decisions: I'm accruing WSP now and have about a mil in Ag. My thoughts: 1) Get 2nd Griff, go PDB. Also, make my Patton full Punisher and convert Golem to Nashorn/Molot mk2/Molot midranger. 2) Get Leo, go Thunder/Pinata. Upgrade weapons on RDB Griff. Patton & Golem as above. Save WSP and eventually replace Golem with PDB Griff. Any thoughts are appreciated, thanks. Don't start on one path and change to another. If you are going to go for a Molot golem and replace it with a griffin then make it a molot griffin. Not saying to necessarily do this - but don't waste what you have.
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Post by moody on Sept 21, 2017 20:37:51 GMT -5
The one thing I will say is that many overlook the component of having a strong squad of clan mates you can trust and depend on to ride through the Gold/ Diamond /Expert beat downs...Randoming your way in to Champ is like threading a needle with your tongue.. This is out of keeping with the signature right next to your post. Which is it?
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Post by moody on Sept 21, 2017 20:17:51 GMT -5
I run 9 orkan's in my hanger right now...just too powerful not to have on the field. Wow. I thought I had a lot running 6.
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Post by moody on Sept 21, 2017 6:51:34 GMT -5
yes, I think team DM will be a sniper's heaven that is why I am staying away from it. Which is why I propose TDM should be Beacon Rush without the progress bars. You can capture the Beacons, but only for the purposes of spawning from it, which can give your team a strategic advantage. In other words, still adding the Beacon element for spawning would still give the mode a strategic sense to it. I don't think there would be a benefit. Except for stopping spawn raiding I guess. It's not as if time was an issue and taking a beacon just puts you closer to the reds whether kill or be killed. I think there will be a lot of running and hiding and really not that much fun.
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Post by moody on Sept 21, 2017 0:59:07 GMT -5
There is an excellent way to spend you BM keys! If you're a big War Robots and have a better half, the chances are they occasionally get the hell in with you about the time you put into the game. I've found that getting my missus to open them buys me a lot of extra play time!
"Have you got enough keys for another chest yet?" "No, 17 short baby." "How many games is that?" "I dunno, maybe 4 or 5" (hehe) "Ok maybe you can play some more after dinner."... "Sure babe, I'll try get a few more games in." Bahahahaha!!! This is awesome!!! It's so true though, find the hook that will get your significant other on board. Whenever I pop my head into the man cave, my mood is significantly altered based on what game hubby is playing. I see him playing War Robots: Oh!? I see him playing World of Warships: Oh! ? (boats just don't do it for me, lmao) Moody ?female dog?es, us women! (Sorry for throwing any forum sisters under the bus; personally, I prefer to own my estrogen generated moodiness ?) Don't bring me into it !!
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Post by moody on Sept 20, 2017 20:53:04 GMT -5
One other thing about an untimed match. I love the fact that I can enter a match and know that max 10 minutes later I can be doing something else. I often have a match before work for example.
Untimed is just going to stuff up my time management.
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