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Post by castor on Sept 24, 2017 17:19:49 GMT -5
Hey guys, I am looking for some feedback regarding my hangar. Right now its kind of a Leo hangar, as I just like that bot and its versatility. I just switched A PDB Griffin for the Stalker, as the Griffin was to slow for me, for beacon capping. I did not monobot the Leos with equipping all the light hardpoints with the same weapons, as I like it to have a flexible role, even if I lose some DPS, e.g. in the sniper Leo. Does this make sense or is it BS?  |
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Post by Uhnonimis on Sept 24, 2017 17:42:55 GMT -5
I feel I am uniquely qualified to comment, as I myself ran a four slot all Leo hangar and added a stalker when I got a fifth slot!
You will be finding soon, if you have not already, that the considerable pile of HP that the Leo possesses does not help you enough at at close range, and that "fast for a heavy bot" does not mean fast enough to make it to cover.
So think about phasing out the Leo as a short range bot in favor of bots with physical shields, anciles, or both. The Leo can still be very good in a medium to long range role.
I am not much for sniping or indirect fire with the Leo, although it can fill that role. I think the Leo's hitpoints and multiplicity of hardpoints shine in the mid-range, and as an anti-sniper bot.
I would look to equip the Leos with, depending on what your other bots are carrying, trident-pins, a tempest (if you have it) with punishers or molots. A zeus may also be an option.
In mid-range (450-800 meters), you can still deal a fair amount of damage, and cap the occasional beacon. You will still be "in the game".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 17:44:17 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it's BS. The general consensus of the game isn't to have a bot that is the jack of all trades, but to have specialized robots.
This should be your hangar:
* Thunder Magnum Leo
* Thunder Pinata Leo
* Tulumbas Pin Griffin
* Thunder Punisher Leo / Punisher Griffin
* Magnum Stalker
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Post by castor on Sept 24, 2017 18:04:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback. Ok, the mixed loadouts have obviously potential for optimization. So I will go back to pure specialization. The stalker is ok, for some beacons, but it turned out it just dies too quickly in the heavy bot laden gold leagues. I aldready tried a trident/pins loadout but I found the Trident incredibly weak. Am I wrong?
Think I will try the following:
Leo Thunder/Punisher
Leo Tunder/Magnums
Griffin Pins/Tulumbas
Leo Trident/Pins
Leo Nashorn/Gekkos
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Post by Robotor Affan on Sept 24, 2017 23:13:48 GMT -5
If you use 4 Leo's.. than this is my take
1) Thunder + 3x Punisher
2) Thunder + 3x Magnum
3) Thunder + 3x Pinata
4) Trebuchet/Zeus + 3x Gekko
5) Thunder + 3x Alphid
And an Ancile as alternate heavy weapon choice. Tempest a good replacement for Thunder if you have them.
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Post by rhst on Sept 24, 2017 23:42:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback. Ok, the mixed loadouts have obviously potential for optimization. So I will go back to pure specialization. The stalker is ok, for some beacons, but it turned out it just dies too quickly in the heavy bot laden gold leagues. I aldready tried a trident/pins loadout but I found the Trident incredibly weak. Am I wrong? Think I will try the following: Leo Thunder/Punisher Leo Tunder/Magnums Griffin Pins/Tulumbas Leo Trident/Pins Leo Nashorn/Gekkos if you insist to use 4 leos, what I suggest is below. Leo Thunder/Punisher Leo Thunder/Magnums Leo Thunder/Pinatas Leo Thunder/Pinatas (yeah 2x Thunder/Pinatas) and Griffin Tulumbas/Pins Using Leo for mid to long-range bot seems not good idea for me. and if you use like that (Griffin Pins/Tulumbas +Leo Trident/Pins +Leo Nashorn/Gekkos) it's too many long range bots.you would become almost useless when you entered maps such as dead city, moon, valley I suggest use Leo as Thunderous Charger and deadly close-combatant. if you wanna try something different, Leo Ancile/Magnums or Leo Ancile/Aphids should be not bad. but use one of them, and don't pick more than one. P.S. Leo Nashorn/Gekkos is also nonsense if you really use 1100m ranged Leo, at least you should put the Trebuchet instead of Nashorn. (sync the weapons type) but I think the Leo with Trebuchet is.. awful, imo in addition, I suggest to use lancelots instead of Leo (if you can) cuz Lancelot >>> Leo and use some Griffins. The deck of Lancels + Griffins is one of the most efficient and better (but this option is up to you.) |
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Post by DarkVagabond on Sept 24, 2017 23:47:53 GMT -5
So you say you had a PDB Griffin... does that mean you have two Tarans just sitting on the shelf? I'd be looking to bring them back into the fold, probably back on the Griffin. I hear you about the Griffin - they ARE slow. The way you have to approach a Griffin is that it's like piloting a Leo but with a jump as a 'get out of jail free' card. If you stay on the outside of the range of whatever enemy setup you're facing, whenever they turn to return fire you have your jump ready to get out of range. You can really survive a long time like this.
Learning how not to get hit is not really a skill the Leo specialises in, outside of cornershooting enemy plasma setups with the two light hardpoints on RH corners. And as you get higher in the ranks it becomes ALL about how not to get hit. I was a Leo fanboy and used him all the way up to Expert League, even though I probably should have shelved him sooner. He is still my highest level at (lvl 11), but I have retired him as I've found more viable setups now that I've improved as a pilot. For now I understand, you probably just don't want to mech out in 3 minutes against all the tankers in Android Gold League. But there is a certain point where the large health pool of the Leo doesn't make up for not having learnt effective, evasive piloting. Try to improve this skill as much as you can.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Sept 25, 2017 0:05:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback. Ok, the mixed loadouts have obviously potential for optimization. So I will go back to pure specialization. The stalker is ok, for some beacons, but it turned out it just dies too quickly in the heavy bot laden gold leagues. I aldready tried a trident/pins loadout but I found the Trident incredibly weak. Am I wrong? Think I will try the following: Leo Thunder/Punisher Leo Tunder/Magnums Griffin Pins/Tulumbas Leo Trident/Pins Leo Nashorn/Gekkos I find a Trident Pin Natasha to be a better setup than the Leo. You notice much more power with Tridents when you have at least a pair of them, especially once they are about lvl 8 or so. The initial Alpha Strike not as good as the Tulumbus Pin Griffin, but the DPM is higher, and it is certainly more effective than the Zenit Noricum Leo. What you lose in HP with the Natasha as opposed to the Leo, you make up in firepower. It has a very similar DPM to a Trident Fury. Just don't go toe to toe with an enemy Tulumbus Pin Griffin - stick to 600m range if you must engage them. You can do very well with it if you are strict about staying between 450 - 600m from your CLOSEST ENEMY. The specialisation of these weapons is splash damage of course. Having the ability to shoot enemies who are just behind the corner is very useful, especially in the mid game. |
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Post by moody on Sept 25, 2017 0:29:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback. Ok, the mixed loadouts have obviously potential for optimization. So I will go back to pure specialization. The stalker is ok, for some beacons, but it turned out it just dies too quickly in the heavy bot laden gold leagues. I aldready tried a trident/pins loadout but I found the Trident incredibly weak. Am I wrong? Think I will try the following: Leo Thunder/Punisher Leo Tunder/Magnums Griffin Pins/Tulumbas Leo Trident/Pins Leo Nashorn/Gekkos The only issue I have with that is that it is range heavy. The actual bots are fine. I'd maybe swap the trident pin Leo for a thunder pinata leo for the moment. When you can afford it those pinatas could go with a pair of orkans for a DB griffin. |
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Post by WilsonK on Sept 25, 2017 0:56:16 GMT -5
Feedback: Too many Leos
Suggestion to current Leos: Anciles on all of them, along with ECUs, and one 「deteriorated bum-bum」 Magnum to shoot.
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Post by castor on Sept 25, 2017 11:48:13 GMT -5
Ok, thanks for the feedback  So it seems I should drop some of the Leos  I think i am noot good enough to get past Gold league and i dont have enough time to play to really improve my skills. So I will drop some leos. Nevertheless i like the support role of sniping and artillery and it seems i am not too bad at it, even when i only use the sniper and artillery Leos in an march, i usually rank at least 3rd or 4th in damage and kills. So have you guys advice for a good sniper? Natasha I guess? Moreover i maybe will get a Ancilot and rhe griffin bach, so room for one Leo. |
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Post by Uhnonimis on Sept 25, 2017 20:08:50 GMT -5
If you want a pure sniper, gekkos have been buffed a lot. A nashorn gekko Leo is a very serviceable sniper.
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