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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 9:31:35 GMT -5
ok pix set a another mile stone with the upcoming upgrade of War Robots ! WE ARE NOW ENTERING a Pay to Win erea! but what kind of adjustement should we set up as player to counter this?
l would see a gift exchange market where any member of this forum could borrow the most advanced MK2 from another player to fill up their hangard for à week or two! l don't have problem to gift a buddy player with the bot he needs (even if my hangar is pretty poor)
we could also endow a super chest of our own with gold and help players to set up their hangar the dash will cost a bunch but a 6000 member chest with two or three hundred thousand gold would help!
we can even conceive some kind of Rent A Bot of some sort ! for a certain amount of silver u can run an haechi levelled ready for figth!
what about you guys, any idea? we can also keep going on complaining (usefull to wash up our frustration but with no effect on the game!)
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Post by Poopface on Sept 21, 2017 9:52:07 GMT -5
It's moot for me. I don't spend cash on phone/iPad games.
If the pendulum swings too far to P2W, I'm done. It remains to be seen what that break point is. I think it's different for each person. I'm concerned by what I read, but like others, I'm reserving judgment until the dust settles.
That said, the game is vastly different in execution than the game I started playing well over a year ago. Some bells and whistles are good, but others aren't. Meanwhile some longstanding issues languish.
Sorry. Much longer and divergent answer than the OP requested.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 10:04:32 GMT -5
It's moot for me. I don't spend cash on phone/iPad games. If the pendulum swings too far to P2W, I'm done. It remains to be seen what that break point is. I think it's different for each person. I'm concerned by what I read, but like others, I'm reserving judgment until the dust settles. That said, the game is vastly different in execution than the game I started playing well over a year ago. Some bells and whistles are good, but others aren't. Meanwhile some longstanding issues languish. Sorry. Much longer and divergent answer than the OP requested. you're welcome!
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Sept 21, 2017 10:19:36 GMT -5
Pay to win my 「bum-bum」...One can easily set up a hanger full of silver bots and weapons and still get to Champion with them. One can shorten the time to get there by speeding upgrades for these bots/weapons.
The one thing I will say is that many overlook the component of having a strong squad of clan mates you can trust and depend on to ride through the Gold/ Diamond /Expert beat downs...Randoming your way in to Champ is like threading a needle with your tongue..
And there will be a way to stick it to the man..But I will have to wait to divulge the details ..soon.
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Sept 21, 2017 10:45:46 GMT -5
Pay to win my ?bum-bum?...One can easily set up a hanger full of silver bots and weapons and still get to Champion with them. One can shorten the time to get there by speeding upgrades for these bots/weapons. The one thing I will say is that many overlook the component of having a strong squad of clan mates you can trust and depend on to ride through the Gold/ Diamond /Expert beat downs...Randoming your way in to Champ is like threading a needle with your tongue.. And there will be a way to stick it to the man..But I will have to wait to divulge the details ..soon. I agree it's NOT P2W now but I COULD see the game moving towards that direction. Not saying it WILL.. I also don't consider "getting to champion" to be "winning". I like to win GAMES and I could give a ?poo-poo? less what league I'm in. However, I'm almost afraid to get up into expert because I don't want to be facing full dash hangars. As for clans and squads I personally prefer to do my own thing and be left alone most of the time without being expected to squad up every time I get an invite. Same reason why I play this game instead of hanging out with people - theyre mostly annoying and always want something.
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Post by creepshow on Sept 21, 2017 10:51:34 GMT -5
Yeah it doesn't really seem "pay to win" yet, and it doesn't look like the coming changes will make it p2w either. Rockwelder is absolutely correct, you can be completely competitive with a f2p hangar. There is a concept in magic the gathering referred to as "win more". What that means is that the card will probably win you the game, but if you could cast it you were probably already winning anyway. That's how I see the situation. The people that can afford the new gear could already afford the best gear previously. All they are gaining is a slight advantage over the big advantage they already had. Soon there will be a nerf, and then all they are paying for is rarity (also happens in mtg when people decide to "foil out" a whole deck). What I see as being the bigger problem is that the addition of components further fragments currency by giving each new item what amounts to its own specific currency (unless you can purchase them with in-game currency)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 11:01:59 GMT -5
Yeah it doesn't really seem "pay to win" yet, and it doesn't look like the coming changes will make it p2w either. Rockwelder is absolutely correct, you can be completely competitive with a f2p hangar. There is a concept in magic the gathering referred to as "win more". What that means is that the card will probably win you the game, but if you could cast it you were probably already winning anyway. That's how I see the situation. The people that can afford the new gear could already afford the best gear previously. All they are gaining is a slight advantage over the big advantage they already had. Soon there will be a nerf, and then all they are paying for is rarity (also happens in mtg when people decide to "foil out" a whole deck). What I see as being the bigger problem is that the addition of components further fragments currency by giving each new item what amounts to its own specific currency (unless you can purchase them with in-game currency) yeap! but my point is what if there's no escape? can we set up our own solution?
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Post by bronzeknee on Sept 21, 2017 12:19:54 GMT -5
Pay to win my ?bum-bum?...One can easily set up a hanger full of silver bots and weapons and still get to Champion with them. One can shorten the time to get there by speeding upgrades for these bots/weapons. The one thing I will say is that many overlook the component of having a strong squad of clan mates you can trust and depend on to ride through the Gold/ Diamond /Expert beat downs...Randoming your way in to Champ is like threading a needle with your tongue.. And there will be a way to stick it to the man..But I will have to wait to divulge the details ..soon. I agree it's NOT P2W now but I COULD see the game moving towards that direction. Not saying it WILL.. I also don't consider "getting to champion" to be "winning". I like to win GAMES and I could give a ?poo-poo? less what league I'm in. However, I'm almost afraid to get up into expert because I don't want to be facing full dash hangars. As for clans and squads I personally prefer to do my own thing and be left alone most of the time without being expected to squad up every time I get an invite. Same reason why I play this game instead of hanging out with people - theyre mostly annoying and always want something. Well if you want to improve and end up in Expert+, you'll realize it is pay to win right now. Full Dash hangers are ridiculously strong. Those Robots are difficult to kill and have just enough damage (180k with Orkans) to kill a Griffin, Lance, Fury or Carnage in a single cycle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 12:58:37 GMT -5
I agree it's NOT P2W now but I COULD see the game moving towards that direction. Not saying it WILL.. I also don't consider "getting to champion" to be "winning". I like to win GAMES and I could give a ?poo-poo? less what league I'm in. However, I'm almost afraid to get up into expert because I don't want to be facing full dash hangars. As for clans and squads I personally prefer to do my own thing and be left alone most of the time without being expected to squad up every time I get an invite. Same reason why I play this game instead of hanging out with people - theyre mostly annoying and always want something. Well if you want to improve and end up in Expert+, you'll realize it is pay to win right now. Full Dash hangers are ridiculously strong. Those Robots are difficult to kill and have just enough damage (180k with Orkans) to kill a Griffin, Lance, Fury or Carnage in a single cycle. What you talking about? Dash bots balanced! Me 1.2 Milliom average damage n' 2 million max damage cuz I R gewd at game!
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Post by hon_shu on Sept 21, 2017 14:03:05 GMT -5
It's not P2W currently, it's P2G2W, pay to gamble to win.
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Post by Deadeye on Sept 21, 2017 14:15:35 GMT -5
It's worth considering going back to Domination mode for a while. Dashes are less prevalent there. Also, you are less likely to run into a full squad if you are just going random solo. It's made the game more refreshing and enjoyable for me the last few weeks. iOS champion level on BR is just depressing if you don't have the dashes to keep up. I'll try to post some screen shots from my phone from last night. 4 guys squading together: 9-10 dashes between them. Top guy had 5 Haechi. I closed down the game for the night. It made me a little sad.
VivaLaResistance posted a good video discussing this very topic and it was featured on Mech*Spectrum (ask Dredd77 if you don't yet know what M*S is). Viva said it is easy now. I agree to a point. He was squading and on coms. That would be easy. Going solo just allows it to be competitive again and therefore, fun.
Edit: And yes, my guess is that Haechi is both the singular and the plural form of that word. I'm notably lazy, so the idea of typing an additional 's' after Haechi every time makes me break out in hives...also, please ignore that I just edited this post to type dozens of extra words to say that I'm lazy.
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Post by DBCooper on Sept 21, 2017 15:32:50 GMT -5
The proposal in the OP is moot, as there is no ability to transfer anything from one account to another.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 17:31:36 GMT -5
The proposal in the OP is moot, as there is no ability to transfer anything from one account to another. gift button!
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 21, 2017 18:07:28 GMT -5
Pay to win my ?bum-bum?...One can easily set up a hanger full of silver bots and weapons and still get to Champion with them. One can shorten the time to get there by speeding upgrades for these bots/weapons. Now, my definition of "pay 2 win" is that bad players with deep pockets will win 95% of the time against good players that spent less. That may not be the case now, because having a hangar with 5 Dash bots will not give you _that_ big an advantage over other 12/12 players that have been around for more than a year . But the new Mk2 upgrades will break this, big time if the numbers hinted in the spot are even remotely accurate. Assuming robots and weapons can be upgraded, you I invite you to start playing in facebook gameroom. The game is 2 months old there, so a player that started right away might have an 8/8 hangar from regular upgrades. My hangar is still fresh and at about 6/5.5, and I play on a regular basis against 10/10 to 12/12 Ancilots/Haechis, where even a Thunder Punisher Natty has ttrouble makeíNightingale a dent in the shield. Sometimes I'm in a pretty good squad, and we get steamrolled in matches that last under 4 minutes by squads that simply use 10/10 or better robots compared to our bots that are mostly around level 6-7. Aye, those who pay big do win big, even if they play like you_know_what. (And fb gameroom is cheap. I figure a player would need to spend $100 to speed-upgrade to level 10/10, if he earns the silver from playing.) And now consider that the difference between a Mk1 and a Mk2 robot will be much larger than the difference between level 6 and level 10. And a player can now spend much more money. If a Cossack is 5000 gold to upgrade, say all a Lance costs is 15k gold, plus another 15k gold to speed the upgrades, plus 30k gold for the weapons, so for $500 you get a 12/12 Mk2 Lancelot that has twice the HP and twice the firepower than a 12/12 Mk1. Sounds outlandish? Just watch that video again.
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Sept 21, 2017 19:37:33 GMT -5
VivaLaResistance posted a good video discussing this very topic and it was featured on Mech*Spectrum (ask Dredd77 if you don't yet know what M*S is). Viva said it is easy now. I agree to a point. He was squading and on coms. That would be easy. Going solo just allows it to be competitive again and therefore, fun. Yea, the chances of getting a squad for competition is sooo low now in Domination. It sucks when you can't squad up with your buddies and play Domination for good competitive gameplay. Solo it's no quite so much of a difference because the League system MM does well with solo players.
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Post by T34 on Sept 21, 2017 20:10:48 GMT -5
Dashes are OP! Full stop. You can only get dashes via RM. Dashes give you a significant advantage over other bot pilots. Skill is less relevant You buy gold and silver you can advance faster and gives you a significant advantage irrespective of skill.
= Pay to win. We are already well inside any reasonable definitions of P2W. the question is are we going to go deeper into P2W territory.
OP, I am not sure what can be done. Any suggestion to gain access to pay 2 win content would lessen Pixs push into P2W. It really depends on Pix. express your opinion to pix. Opinion will provide feed back and will at least have some degree of influence on the direction.
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Post by dreamslayer28 on Sept 21, 2017 20:13:43 GMT -5
Yeah it doesn't really seem "pay to win" yet, and it doesn't look like the coming changes will make it p2w either. Rockwelder is absolutely correct, you can be completely competitive with a f2p hangar. There is a concept in magic the gathering referred to as "win more". What that means is that the card will probably win you the game, but if you could cast it you were probably already winning anyway. That's how I see the situation. The people that can afford the new gear could already afford the best gear previously. All they are gaining is a slight advantage over the big advantage they already had. Soon there will be a nerf, and then all they are paying for is rarity (also happens in mtg when people decide to "foil out" a whole deck). What I see as being the bigger problem is that the addition of components further fragments currency by giving each new item what amounts to its own specific currency (unless you can purchase them with in-game currency) yeap! but my point is what if there's no escape? can we set up our own solution? LOL. I escaped out of Gold League with less levels than what you have now. I also faced 10/10 to 12/12 hangars in Gold - and now, where I am standing right now: The point is that if you play properly, get the right hangar (I did not spend a cent for this) and do it consistently, there is an escape from the NOTORIOUS GOLD WALL.
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Post by moody on Sept 21, 2017 20:37:51 GMT -5
The one thing I will say is that many overlook the component of having a strong squad of clan mates you can trust and depend on to ride through the Gold/ Diamond /Expert beat downs...Randoming your way in to Champ is like threading a needle with your tongue.. This is out of keeping with the signature right next to your post. Which is it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 2:15:33 GMT -5
yeap! but my point is what if there's no escape? can we set up our own solution? LOL. I escaped out of Gold League with less levels than what you have now. I also faced 10/10 to 12/12 hangars in Gold - and now, where I am standing right now: The point is that if you play properly, get the right hangar (I did not spend a cent for this) and do it consistently, there is an escape from the NOTORIOUS GOLD WALL. l m preparing my deck not for diamond but for expert league out of constant pressure to compete and get chanllenged by overpowered hangards!! l m pretty confortable behind the great gold wall!?? next move will be way faster through diamond on my way to expert ! already use this strategie to get champ 9 months ago ,its still efficient rigth now that my 25 cents bet!
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Post by dreamslayer28 on Sept 22, 2017 2:40:02 GMT -5
LOL. I escaped out of Gold League with less levels than what you have now. I also faced 10/10 to 12/12 hangars in Gold - and now, where I am standing right now: The point is that if you play properly, get the right hangar (I did not spend a cent for this) and do it consistently, there is an escape from the NOTORIOUS GOLD WALL. l m preparing my deck not for diamond but for expert league out of constant pressure to compete and get chanllenged by overpowered hangards!! l m pretty confortable behind the great gold wall!?? next move will be way faster through diamond on my way to expert ! already use this strategie to get champ 9 months ago ,its still efficient rigth now that my 25 cents bet! Alright!
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Post by WilsonK on Sept 22, 2017 3:43:04 GMT -5
Whatever happens, just don't pour RM into anything they "release". If you wanna pour RM, just do so for the premium to grind the never ending Ag. So what if you do not have the new bots and weapons? So what if moving forward it might take you forever to get Mk.II bots and weapons? Will it affect you THAT bad? There is enjoyment in getting trashed too you know, it's a unique attribute to have... LOL Just my opinion, yours may vary. [ ?] WilsonK.
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Post by anjian on Sept 22, 2017 4:14:16 GMT -5
yeap! but my point is what if there's no escape? can we set up our own solution? LOL. I escaped out of Gold League with less levels than what you have now. I also faced 10/10 to 12/12 hangars in Gold - and now, where I am standing right now: The point is that if you play properly, get the right hangar (I did not spend a cent for this) and do it consistently, there is an escape from the NOTORIOUS GOLD WALL. You are way more efficient than me. You get a better win rate for less damage and kills per game than me.
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Post by imnobody on Sept 22, 2017 7:45:29 GMT -5
I want to see where we can turn our stuff we don't need in exchange to fill the bar up and get components. That would be nice
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Post by Koalabear on Sept 22, 2017 8:29:00 GMT -5
Think about it guys. What would happen if nobody paid a dime in this game? We wouldn't have a game to play! All the complaints about whales and such...well, the whales are probably the main reason many can play this game free and without annoying ads!
Every game that is "free to play" will have incentives to pay real money to do better in the game. That's how the developers keep the lights on after all. Me, I'd rather that than have ads that pop up constantly.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Sept 22, 2017 8:49:26 GMT -5
I think next, they nerf the dashes in two ways. First a rebalance of their stats (Haechi is asking for it). Next they introduce maps that further nerf their abilities. The coming maps (Particularly castle and dreadnought) limit dash performance as they have multiple vertical elements and a lot of funneled spaces. Those who have jump bots may fall in love with them again. Particularly rog owners. Cossacks might see a return to play for lower tiers.
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Post by anjian on Sept 22, 2017 9:11:01 GMT -5
I think next, they nerf the dashes in two ways. First a rebalance of their stats (Haechi is asking for it). Next they introduce maps that further nerf their abilities. The coming maps (Particularly castle and dreadnought) limit dash performance as they have multiple vertical elements and a lot of funneled spaces. Those who have jump bots may fall in love with them again. Particularly rog owners. Cossacks might see a return to play for lower tiers. Ship is not a good map for dashes either, and I don't think Rome is either. Rome has a theme similar to Dreadnought with that central enclosed space.
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Post by Dredd77 on Sept 22, 2017 13:26:09 GMT -5
It's moot for me. I don't spend cash on phone/iPad games. If the pendulum swings too far to P2W, I'm done. It remains to be seen what that break point is. I think it's different for each person. I'm concerned by what I read, but like others, I'm reserving judgment until the dust settles. That said, the game is vastly different in execution than the game I started playing well over a year ago. Some bells and whistles are good, but others aren't. Meanwhile some longstanding issues languish. You've just been issued a forum Strike, Poops. Excessive reasonableness is against the TOS here.
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Post by Poopface on Sept 22, 2017 13:56:47 GMT -5
It's moot for me. I don't spend cash on phone/iPad games. If the pendulum swings too far to P2W, I'm done. It remains to be seen what that break point is. I think it's different for each person. I'm concerned by what I read, but like others, I'm reserving judgment until the dust settles. That said, the game is vastly different in execution than the game I started playing well over a year ago. Some bells and whistles are good, but others aren't. Meanwhile some longstanding issues languish. You've just been issued a forum Strike, Poops. Excessive reasonableness is against the TOS here. Sorry, Boss. I don't know what I was thinking. Moment of insanity. I would have said "temporary insanity," but I've been around here long enough that I think you wouldn't believe that for even a second.
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