Petition Pixonic to change the MM

I seem to be the only one who remembers that there was a short time before the new mm was put in that there was a hybid system. Either that or I came from an alternate reality. 

Dear Pixonic please bring back the Old MM because - screw that!!! How about try moving on from your old clubbing paradise The current MM is fine! you guys just suck.

A truly evolved man moves with the times

Believe it or not, that would happen in the old MM too.

The difference is that it now takes a bigger commitment to being a dirtbag if you do it regularly.

With the old MM, I could load up 2 Taran Cossacks and 3 Thunder Schutzes right now and go stomp on players who haven't unlocked their third hangar slot. I know, because I used to do it. It was awesome!

But now, I would have to commit a week of my life to getting my league score that low. I'm just not that big of a dirtbag.

Agree. Old system... New system...

The problem is not the system itself, the problem is from us human beings.

The old system won't sustain Pixonic's income, because people will stop spending once they have their dream hangar, which is usually not a 12/12 one, but a 6/9 or 4/6 instead.
That's why they will never revert the system back to old one.

The new system is not fun for players, because lower tiers = easy/fun games = high silver/gold income.
That's why people tanking, and those who don't do it complain about unfair MM.

I think Pixonic is trying to head to the right direction by adding incentives to rank up and introducing custom mode, we just have to wait and see.

No; an intelligent man is capable of holding a conversation without resorting to insults. Hopefully you are in fact, as I assume, an intelligent man, and the above was merely a temporary lapse.

I'm currently running some experiments, which I'll post the results when they're complete. But, suffice to say I'm noticing some trends that align EXACTLY with what I've suspected. For those of you who have read my "And then there were five" thread, you'll know some of what I'm talking about. I'm currently repeating the experiment with a hangar of five Carnages. Results so far? Much better damage, but wins and losses are about the same. Because as soon as I start winning, the opposition I face becomes tougher and tougher.

If I suck, well, fine. But I'm regularly facing players whose equipment is markedly superior to my own...and are in my own league or above. So at least I'm sucking against players who are SUPPOSED to be better than I am.

Okay, Now I'm really and truly irritated. For all those saying I must not be very good, and that's why I'm doing so badly in this game version...I've always hit above my weight in this game. For a while I was a member of a clan, clan callsign XLR8. I was the second member of the team; the leader invited me right after he formed the clan. He had a bunch of great bots and weapons and no clue how to use them; I gave him a few tips I'd learned from the Wiki, his win rate and effectiveness skyrocketed. Bear in mind, at this point I was running mostly L6/7 Ag bots and weapons. His bots and weapons were L9-12 premium bots and weapons. Funny thing, as the clan grew, when we'd squad together with other guys, I usually had the lowest bots and weapons on our team. And I'd STILL usually lead our team in damage! Since joining the Wiki clan, clan members whom I've squadded with will tell you that, low-level gear or no, more often than not I pull my own weight and then some.

So don't assume I'm losing because I'm no good. If you're running L9 bots and weapons in Diamond tier, great! I own precisely TWO bots at L9, and one is a Golem I upgraded early on. Never use it. Most of my bots are L6-7, plus two L8's and one L9 that I use on a regular basis. Weapons - I have one L10 Taran, one L9 mag and two L9 Thunders. Everything else I have is L7-8.

And I'm running iOS Diamond. So if you're in iOS Diamond with better gear...more power to you. But why aren't you higher, if you're so much better? Incidentally, I'm encountering a lot of Diamond players who have L10-12 gear. Tankers? Some. And some just aren't much good.

Do I actually want the old MM, specifically? No. It was flawed. It had a big, fat hole for the Gepard to slip through in middle tiers. But, as someone so aptly put it, they used a chainsaw to deal with something a scalpel would have solved. Literally the ONLY thing needed was to create level caps for different tiers. Or they should have simply gone off the highest weapon and bot in a given hangar. For example, if a player had one L12 weapon or bot, he'd be up against other L12 hangars. That would have (forcibly) encouraged players to upgrade bots and weapons simultaneously, and it would have prevented seal-clubbing. That was the only fix they would have needed! Instead we got this big, blundering, clunky League system that nobody really knows what it does or how it works.

So. Yes, I do have a slight, foggy clue what I'm talking about. I experienced both the old MM and the new one, and I know what rose-tinted glasses look like. I'm not wearing them while wishing for the old MM back. Nobody said it wasn't flawed. But, based on personal experience, on the whole it was more balanced than this new system.

To anyone who types faster than they think: If you've nothing constructive to add to this discussion without resorting to insults, please, take your immaturity elsewhere. As in, not another thread; another forum. Or simply get off your computer until you've grown up a little more. If you can't state your opinion without being polite, I advise you to remember that men are measured not by how polite they are to those whom they MUST respect, but by how they treat those whom they do not have to respect.

Cheers.

Many mentioned before that a turnback on a solely hangar based MM would be impossible right now,
for various important reasons, but i may differ that to each issue can be found a solution.

ISSUES:
1) Hangars (bots, weapons) have been leveled accordingly the new MM.
description:-People would find their hangars placed in some very specific brackets, without having the choice of reverting back some upgrade levels.
solutions:-first, the hangar is still playable, it will just fit in the bracket balanced for it.
               -second, placing increasingly rewarding brackets, so playing high leveled gear will have it's own carrot.

2) People would just stop upgrading till they reach their desired bracket.
description:- Some players would be enticed to play in only some brackets, without ever feeling the need of exploring or playing other brackets with different difficulty or gameplay.
Solutions:- as for the first issue, lower brackets would have lower rewards, higher brackets would have better rewards, to have a big unmistakeable carrot. Higher Au rewards should be expected in the higher brackets, attracting the vast plethora of players

3) Pixonic would have less revenues by it.
description:- under old MM many players would just stick to lower levels to maximize their revenues, be Au, and Silver, and to avoid spending too much time leveling up an hangar for other purposes, hence loss of the need of buying Au Bots and Au weapons.
Solutions:- Other than the increasingly rewarding brackets, which would incentivize players to have an high leveled hangar, this system would actually incentivize the possession of MULTIPLE HANGARS, and would find a spot for several differently leveled bots. What's the point of having 6 galahads with the current MM? with an hangar based MM it would be attractive to the multiple copies of the same bot leveled differently.
-Weekly events for the various brackets, to help them being populated. In a rotation each week some brackets could receive various bonus rewards(or special tasks to be solved in those brackets), to even incentivize Old players with maxed stuff, to get new hangars of lower levels.

4) What about the league ladder?
description:- the actual ladder would become obsolete with an hangar based MM.
solution:- Make it become a real activity ladder, like in the myriads games. I would even make it a Week ladder, so that people
would see the results and be rewarded for their weekly participation in the game. Who played the most, and contributed the game to stay alive, will receive the higher league rewards.

5) What would happen to Tanking?
description:- current system incentivize tanking inside the normal queue, rewarding the players that put efforts to tank their score to farm more Au by clubbing lowered geared players in their ascent up.
solution:- sorry tankers, there would be no tanking in an hangar based system. You better make another hangar to play in the bracket you wish to fight, but on fair terms, aka: fair hangars.

6) What would happen to the challenge?
description:- Many players like this MM favours an harder challenge, as it feels rewarding in itself for its level of competition.
solution:- Custom battles, you can take your lvl 1/1 bots, and challenge 12/12 bots with them. without rewards. (JOKING, this was really due to all the provocations given with this issue )
solution:- the final two brackets, there the rewards should be higher and attracting the best players to fight themselves only there, with the best tricks and weapons they can use.  To limit the access to everyone but the most skilled, there should be 2 final brackets, the first should be the one accessible to everyone with the right hangar, the second one accessible only by those that have exceled in the previous bracket. The final bracket should really be the masterpiece which should be the epithome of skill, with accordingly rewards.

Just wait till you play Expert 3 at non peak time, sunshine... there they have higher hangars AND are good players...

Already done that and got the T-Shirt. I just joined Wiki clan - here are my last three squad games against Expert/Champions league with a 9/9 hanger :-)

Its not the MM its just the fact that tankers and faders ruin it.

During the event when everyone was trying real hard i was able to compete in diamond 3 on android.

Here's how it could be if everyone tried. I show my team mates because i compare my performance to theirs more than i compare it to the reds.










As soon as the event ended i dropped to gold 2, not because the blues and reds got tougher but because tanking/fading makes it impossible for skilled players in lesser equipped bots to make a difference.

They don't cap your home beacon because they legitimately don't want to win, since the MM provides such a bad playing experience for those who do so. This is the point of the original poster.

It's been stated that above diamond, and the further you go up, that there aren't enough players, so the MM draws the nearest league. Possibly by Dix.

Maybe they should look into WHY that's happening.

Legends A Vs Legends B. B loses. Loses points. A moves up. BvC C loses. This pushes B back into range for A. rinse / repeat all the way down to Diamond. Dix can't fix the matches for Legends A as they have 12/12 everything so they just continue to pool points, bleeding all the way down to Diamond.

Diamond has to be the worst possible place to be. And D3 is the suck as you have no one to club points from.

Omg. Just got these ridiculous offers on IOS. Sorry it's a bit off track but sort of hints at Pix losing the plot or just trying to fleece players without much knowledge. Similarly to the MM.
2xpinatas - 2.99
2xmagnums - 84.99
1xstalker with 2xaphids - 99.99

Seriously!

For 「fluffernutter」s sake, give it a rest already peeps! I am so tired of reading this stupid bull「dookie」 on the forum. Ohhh the matchmaker sucks...ohhh wahhhhhh....I'm going to come here and complain and get sympathy for my trouble.

Seriously get over it!! You have one of two choices as noted below:

Option 1: Play the game as Pix has made it and deal with it and provide constructive feedback to them. By this, I mean e-mailing them directly to help resolve current problems that YOU have found in the game. (On a more serious note, how many of you have actually done that? My guess? Not many.)

Option 2: If you find the game so impossible to enjoy, then leave. It's as simple as that. Don't sit here and 「female dog」 and complain about a game you hardly play or force yourself to play. Take a break or leave as I'm sure it's in your best interest and perhaps you might come back later with a different perspective.

Back on topic. My solo experience has had its ups and downs over the last couple weeks but overall has been very fair with a ton of well played matches. I don't see a problem with the current matchmaker besides the crazy win/lose rate swings that others have reported. I personally have gone through this to a point but not enough to affect me much.

A wise man once said SHUT UP AND PLAY! and I believe that was +DethHilt+

Ron Gaul I believe your poll to be flawed, as you left no option for people to vote that this matchmaker is good or working out for them etc.

P.S. I apologize for some of my word choice, but damn this forum has kinda become a 「female dog」 session with not much coming from the conversation. Please, lets try to focus on solving the problems rather than to keep complaining/「female dog」ing about it with no resolution.

Hmm. Your username is @verity - In that case let us discuss several matters of verity.

On this forum at least, the greater than 2/1 votes in favor of reverting the MM would indicate that more people than not are not quite as happy with the MM as you may be.

Flawed poll? No; wasn't intended to be all-inclusive. Was intended to address one simple question: Current vs old MM. If the current one is working out for you, then answering "Old one was worse" would be a simple, accurate way to state that. It is an observation of mine that those who liked the old system tend to dislike the new one; conversely, those who fared badly under the old system tend to find the new MM system with its forcible equality to their liking.

Those who complain about something without doing anything will accomplish nothing. The original post, friend Verity, was a request to other players to do something. If they felt as I do. I DID something. I DID email Pixonic. And then I came here looking for assistance from those who agree, because while one man may not move a mountain, a thousand have a decent chance at it.

Now. You mentioned that your own experience with the up/down swings of the MM has been somewhat limited, and it hasn't affected you very much. Would you mind sharing more of your experience, such as your current hangar, win rate, etc.?

If there is sufficient data to prove me wrong, I'd welcome it gladly.

However I do question offhand that such data exists. Under the old system, there was one main thing complained about: The Gepard being overpowered at low levels. You'd see the occasional maxed hangar while running your own 9/9 (or lower!) mechs, and the occasional losing streak would suck, but eventually it would equalize and you've be back to facing more normal and equally-matched enemies.

Under this system, it's no longer a specific bot or weapon that's being almost universally begged to be reworked; instead it's the system itself which is primarily under fire. Difference!