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Post by easystrider on Mar 8, 2024 16:03:51 GMT -5
His "press" account.
First he has video about open petition to Pixonic with number of ways to improve War Robots:
Supposedly it was joint effort with other content creators but then they bailed on him due to concern of retribution by Pixo.
Today this:
Now he says that the ban was due to other reasons, you be the judge.
I figure he spoke up about Pixonic's practices in the past too many times and finally they've had enough.
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Post by xxlarrythebarryx on Mar 8, 2024 16:45:52 GMT -5
Crazy how the Biggest YouTuber on War robots gets banned and he spends all his time and effort and this is how they treat him! Disrespectful how they just ban him for trying to make new solutions to the problems of this game.
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Post by T34 on Mar 8, 2024 17:46:58 GMT -5
Pix is probably satisfied with the state of the game and they don’t want bad publicity. I can see how promoting mech arena would also piss em off.
Kudos to Manni for doing this and a bit weak from the other content creators for bailing on this initiative. The way things are going, technical content videos will be irrelevant at some stage because everyone will know that skill and strategy will be utterly irrelevant and all one needs to do is to buy the latest gear.
Good on you Manni!
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Post by 079 on Mar 8, 2024 19:53:36 GMT -5
Gotta give it to Manni for sticking to his guns. Pixonic locks out his Press/Battle Rec Account and he makes a video all about Mech Warrior to rub salt into the wound. Great to see people fighting back!
It will be interesting to see how the petition turns out. I read through it and I am curious who collaborated with him, because the petition does read like he wrote it (which is not a bad thing, it just seems like not many others wrote in it). It will be really interesting to see if Adrian gets in on this, because if he does not, that will not help him against the rumors that he under Pixonic’s thumb. I do wish he would at least acknowledge the state of the game, given Manni and Predator and knees-deep in the matter.
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Post by munkeeee on Mar 8, 2024 21:21:21 GMT -5
Eyes are opening, and this was just the start. Good for him
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Post by T34 on Mar 8, 2024 21:52:41 GMT -5
Gotta give it to Manni for sticking to his guns. Pixonic locks out his Press/Battle Rec Account and he makes a video all about Mech Warrior to rub salt into the wound. Great to see people fighting back! It will be interesting to see how the petition turns out. I read through it and I am curious who collaborated with him, because the petition does read like he wrote it (which is not a bad thing, it just seems like not many others wrote in it). It will be really interesting to see if Adrian gets in on this, because if he does not, that will not help him against the rumors that he under Pixonic’s thumb. I do wish he would at least acknowledge the state of the game, given Manni and Predator and knees-deep in the matter. I reckon, players signing the petition will have very limited impact. However, if the leading YouTubers promote the petition then Pix has more of a problem on their hands. The promotion of the issues is probably the the most undesired issue for pix. Hence the severe reprisal against Manni which is also a totalitarian type warning for the other tubers. Those who played for a while surely know what the game is about but the new players having their eyes opened early would surely reduce spending and participation. Tubers who don’t adequately warn their audience are, in my opinion, partially complicit in fleecing new players. Things like Showcasing the viability of retro gear and not speaking up provides the exact narrative that pix wants. Adrian and Predator should consider getting onboard. Not sure how viable their channels will be in the midterm if Pix keeps going aggressively in the current direction. And pix won’t clip all of theirs wings because that would hurt them as well. Pix is probably trying to send a stern message for all tubers and hoping the matter goes away following Mannies punishment. Divide and conquer.
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Post by munkeeee on Mar 8, 2024 22:14:09 GMT -5
Gotta give it to Manni for sticking to his guns. Pixonic locks out his Press/Battle Rec Account and he makes a video all about Mech Warrior to rub salt into the wound. Great to see people fighting back! It will be interesting to see how the petition turns out. I read through it and I am curious who collaborated with him, because the petition does read like he wrote it (which is not a bad thing, it just seems like not many others wrote in it). It will be really interesting to see if Adrian gets in on this, because if he does not, that will not help him against the rumors that he under Pixonic’s thumb. I do wish he would at least acknowledge the state of the game, given Manni and Predator and knees-deep in the matter. I reckon, players signing the petition will have very limited impact. However, if the leading YouTubers promote the petition then Pix has more of a problem on their hands. The promotion of the issues is probably the the most undesired issue for pix. Hence the severe reprisal against Manni which is also a totalitarian type warning for the other tubers. Those who played for a while surely know what the game is about but the new players having their eyes opened early would surely reduce spending and participation. Tubers who don’t adequately warn their audience are, in my opinion, partially complicit in fleecing new players. Things like Showcasing the viability of retro gear and not speaking up provides the exact narrative that pix wants. Adrian and Predator should consider getting onboard. Not sure how viable their channels will be in the midterm if Pix keeps going aggressively in the current direction. And pix won’t clip all of theirs wings because that would hurt them as well. Pix is probably trying to send a stern message for all tubers and hoping the matter goes away following Mannies punishment. Divide and conquer. It shows they are scared though, so they try to get in front of it first. and because I am in a silly mood…..
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Post by T34 on Mar 8, 2024 22:24:06 GMT -5
I reckon, players signing the petition will have very limited impact. However, if the leading YouTubers promote the petition then Pix has more of a problem on their hands. The promotion of the issues is probably the the most undesired issue for pix. Hence the severe reprisal against Manni which is also a totalitarian type warning for the other tubers. Those who played for a while surely know what the game is about but the new players having their eyes opened early would surely reduce spending and participation. Tubers who don’t adequately warn their audience are, in my opinion, partially complicit in fleecing new players. Things like Showcasing the viability of retro gear and not speaking up provides the exact narrative that pix wants. Adrian and Predator should consider getting onboard. Not sure how viable their channels will be in the midterm if Pix keeps going aggressively in the current direction. And pix won’t clip all of theirs wings because that would hurt them as well. Pix is probably trying to send a stern message for all tubers and hoping the matter goes away following Mannies punishment. Divide and conquer. It shows they are scared though, so they try to get in front of it first. and because I am in a silly mood….. Yes. I think they are. they can’t give Manni the traditional window or tea treatment so this is their next best move.
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Post by 079 on Mar 8, 2024 23:01:48 GMT -5
Gotta give it to Manni for sticking to his guns. Pixonic locks out his Press/Battle Rec Account and he makes a video all about Mech Warrior to rub salt into the wound. Great to see people fighting back! It will be interesting to see how the petition turns out. I read through it and I am curious who collaborated with him, because the petition does read like he wrote it (which is not a bad thing, it just seems like not many others wrote in it). It will be really interesting to see if Adrian gets in on this, because if he does not, that will not help him against the rumors that he under Pixonic’s thumb. I do wish he would at least acknowledge the state of the game, given Manni and Predator and knees-deep in the matter. I reckon, players signing the petition will have very limited impact. However, if the leading YouTubers promote the petition then Pix has more of a problem on their hands. The promotion of the issues is probably the the most undesired issue for pix. Hence the severe reprisal against Manni which is also a totalitarian type warning for the other tubers. Those who played for a while surely know what the game is about but the new players having their eyes opened early would surely reduce spending and participation. Tubers who don’t adequately warn their audience are, in my opinion, partially complicit in fleecing new players. Things like Showcasing the viability of retro gear and not speaking up provides the exact narrative that pix wants. Adrian and Predator should consider getting onboard. Not sure how viable their channels will be in the midterm if Pix keeps going aggressively in the current direction. And pix won’t clip all of theirs wings because that would hurt them as well. Pix is probably trying to send a stern message for all tubers and hoping the matter goes away following Mannies punishment. Divide and conquer. I agree that the petition may only do so much, but it is worth a shot, and hey, you never know. As for the YouTubers, Predator is in on the state of the game, having made a good few videos on the matter. He is not making quite as many as Manni, but is not far behind. As for Adrian, while I can respect him likely wanting to keep his channel’s vibe a bit more positive, I do think he should at least acknowledge stuff a little bit. He has talked about how he likes to give advice on how to improve rather than just complain endlessly, but I think he should be a bit more direct with this matter so people stop thinking he is trying to bury his head in the sand.
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Post by easystrider on Mar 8, 2024 23:39:37 GMT -5
Gotta give it to Manni for sticking to his guns. Pixonic locks out his Press/Battle Rec Account and he makes a video all about Mech Warrior to rub salt into the wound. Great to see people fighting back! It will be interesting to see how the petition turns out. I read through it and I am curious who collaborated with him, because the petition does read like he wrote it (which is not a bad thing, it just seems like not many others wrote in it). It will be really interesting to see if Adrian gets in on this, because if he does not, that will not help him against the rumors that he under Pixonic’s thumb. I do wish he would at least acknowledge the state of the game, given Manni and Predator and knees-deep in the matter. I reckon, players signing the petition will have very limited impact. However, if the leading YouTubers promote the petition then Pix has more of a problem on their hands. The promotion of the issues is probably the the most undesired issue for pix. Hence the severe reprisal against Manni which is also a totalitarian type warning for the other tubers. Those who played for a while surely know what the game is about but the new players having their eyes opened early would surely reduce spending and participation. Tubers who don’t adequately warn their audience are, in my opinion, partially complicit in fleecing new players. Things like Showcasing the viability of retro gear and not speaking up provides the exact narrative that pix wants. Adrian and Predator should consider getting onboard. Not sure how viable their channels will be in the midterm if Pix keeps going aggressively in the current direction. And pix won’t clip all of theirs wings because that would hurt them as well. Pix is probably trying to send a stern message for all tubers and hoping the matter goes away following Mannies punishment. Divide and conquer. Right, I also figured it's a bit of power play by Pixonic especially after what happened with Manni recently. He decided to quit the game only to find out that his War Robots viewer base will not follow him to other games. And since I believe the War Robots YT channel is how he makes a living he had no choice but to come back. So this might be a way for Pixonic to remind them that they all need the game more than the game needs them. I think they'll still restore his account at some point though of course it didn't help that he defiantly played competitor's game. Hats off to him for sticking to his principles specially given that this will most likely harm his channel.
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Post by gus169 on Mar 9, 2024 8:31:55 GMT -5
yeah, good on him for sticking his neck out. gotta respect that. I can't sign the petition, because it doesn't represent my perspective, but I understand what he's asking for and I hope it makes a dent. I think there'll have to be a wider movement to get any traction though. what I think he's missing is a realistic view of Pixonics perspective. most of his demands involve them taking a paycut. I don't disagree with him, but I think they probably would.
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Post by 0megaman on Mar 10, 2024 2:41:25 GMT -5
Pigsonic relies VERY heavily on general public ignorance and naivete to bring new players into the fold. All that initial spending occurs until those players realized theyre are in a huge grift. This kind of video, and quite frankly much of the info on these forums, is exactly what Pigsonic does not want newbies to see. It prevents them from getting started spending to begin with, and also shows how to take advantage of the game from a F2P standpoint.
Pigsonic has shown time and time again, they dont give a damn what players want. Their entire strategy is about short-term monetary gain, to the exclusion of everything else. The state of the game is exactly because of that narrow-minded thinking. All development centers exclusively around content used for social engineering into spending. Its the reason there are so many ridiculous abilities now, all of which step all over each other, and ruin gameplay completely. They do not consider for even 1 second what some new ludicrous ability will really do to gameplay, it doesnt matter to them, they only question they ask, is "how much can we sell it for". The end result is convoluted gameplay that is a frustrating MESS, and generally not enjoyable, OR becomes so predictably boring its not worth the time.
I often wonder how many uber whales dropped a fat G' on the game, only to realize that its no fun at that level. At some point, its the same level of skill and excitement as you would get shooting a tree.
In the petition, pretty much all valid points. Pigsonic will never do it, they simply cannot think in those terms. Even if they entertained those ideas, they run contrary to their incessantly foolish monetary strategy, i.e. "we dont want to spend 'valuable' development time fixing and balancing things, its too expensive, that time is best used to develop even more ridiculous content to sucker people."
The more people know before they get started with War Robots, the better.
Stop. Giving. Them. Money.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Mar 10, 2024 3:44:59 GMT -5
Gotta give it to Manni for sticking to his guns. Pixonic locks out his Press/Battle Rec Account and he makes a video all about Mech Warrior to rub salt into the wound. Great to see people fighting back! It will be interesting to see how the petition turns out. I read through it and I am curious who collaborated with him, because the petition does read like he wrote it (which is not a bad thing, it just seems like not many others wrote in it). It will be really interesting to see if Adrian gets in on this, because if he does not, that will not help him against the rumors that he under Pixonic’s thumb. I do wish he would at least acknowledge the state of the game, given Manni and Predator and knees-deep in the matter. I think Adrian did his last, best effort a few months ago in a State of the Game discussion. Hacker, tankers and lack of trust were respectfully discussed. I’ve caught a few of his vids since and he seems to be going though the motions; his War Robots joy is dead.
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Post by NexusBlade on Mar 10, 2024 11:04:30 GMT -5
You know I got to say, Manni certainly has my respect. I know some people gave him 「dookie」 for coming back to War Robots after he quit initially, though he got forced by the algorithm to keep making War Robots content to keep the channel going.... He hasn't been afraid to speak his mind and endlessly 「dookie」s on pix's predatory practices with his large platform, he has a lot of reach and that TERRIFIES Pix, this ban is their desperate attempt to shut him up... And I got to say his response of: Lol oh no.... anyways heres some gameplay from one of your competitors... Absolutely beautiful.
Now while I do respect the effort being made with the petition, do I think Pix would ever and I mean ever for a single moment consider change at this point? Of course not, if anything they're doubling and tripling down on their methods and the cycle has sped up dramatically, they'll push the limits as hard as they can until the cash flow dries up. However more players will be made aware of what they're getting themselves into with this game and steer clear, which is certainly a good thing.
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Post by 0megaman on Mar 11, 2024 12:02:09 GMT -5
Interesting, as of today my Son can no longer log into War Robots with my account. Cryptic messages on load, or an empty message box on load.
Not surprised...
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Post by dinnerplain on Mar 11, 2024 12:11:10 GMT -5
Now while I do respect the effort being made with the petition, do I think Pix would ever and I mean ever for a single moment consider change at this point? Of course not, if anything they're doubling and tripling down on their methods and the cycle has sped up dramatically, they'll push the limits as hard as they can until the cash flow dries up. However more players will be made aware of what they're getting themselves into with this game and steer clear, which is certainly a good thing.
You can't give a company a list of things to do to "fix X" and expect them to do it. Never. Not going to happen.
The only way you get change, and I repeat the only way you can get change, is by highlighting problems to a company and asking for solutions. It's the same with politicians. People don't like being told what to do, especially when there's no control structure to support it. What Manni, Adrian, etc, need to do is keep on at Pixonic about the problems (issues) but steer clear of saying how to resolve it unless they want to get ignored.
What we don't know is how much revenue that Pixonic receives goes to operating costs (keeping the game running on servers around the globe) vs development costs (keeping a team of people employed doing new stuff.) I think a lot of us would be happy if the development stopped and they just fixed bugs for a year or two - but then what happens to developers? The answer is they go on to other projects, whatever they are.
A while ago one of the surveys that Pixonic did was would people play another game from Pixonic. Judging by the absence of anything else, I take that to be a resounding "No", so they're keeping developers employed by churning on new stuff for War Robots.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 11, 2024 16:34:38 GMT -5
There is far more to this than we know. Manni just glosses over it, but he did something ELSE that pix didn't like, posted a vid, took a vid down, didn't matter, they banned him for whatever it was.
Personally IDGAF about the details, there's more on adrians discord (which I am not a member) and some cryptic talk on his kid/flamethrower live stream, but the bottom line is that manni 「fluffernutter」ed up.
How? I don't know. But it was (by mannis own admission) unrelated to the survey thing.
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Post by gus169 on Mar 11, 2024 22:57:54 GMT -5
There is far more to this than we know. Manni just glosses over it, but he did something ELSE that pix didn't like, posted a vid, took a vid down, didn't matter, they banned him for whatever it was. Personally IDGAF about the details, there's more on adrians discord (which I am not a member) and some cryptic talk on his kid/flamethrower live stream, but the bottom line is that manni 「fluffernutter」ed up. How? I don't know. But it was (by mannis own admission) unrelated to the survey thing. Yeah, I noticed that in the vid. Wer'e looking at this through a tube. There's lots we can't see.
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Post by TerrorStorm on Mar 11, 2024 23:10:08 GMT -5
Are most of you signing/ filling out the petition?
All Manni's points make sense. Not sure if it will amount to a hill of beans with these Gangsters but certainly can not hurt.
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Post by Endobot on Mar 12, 2024 5:46:05 GMT -5
Yes, I signed soon as I saw it. Whatever people are saying about it, and him, and whether or not it is of any use, I think he is at least saying what we all are thinking and prepared to speak out and try to do something about it.
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Post by Taboga73 on Mar 14, 2024 4:02:05 GMT -5
There is far more to this than we know. Manni just glosses over it, but he did something ELSE that pix didn't like, posted a vid, took a vid down, didn't matter, they banned him for whatever it was. Personally IDGAF about the details, there's more on adrians discord (which I am not a member) and some cryptic talk on his kid/flamethrower live stream, but the bottom line is that manni 「fluffernutter」ed up. How? I don't know. But it was (by mannis own admission) unrelated to the survey thing. I’m going to say that his promotion of the DenisFox video with its “100% HONEST” parody did not go over well.
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Post by dinnerplain on Mar 14, 2024 4:36:18 GMT -5
There is far more to this than we know. Manni just glosses over it, but he did something ELSE that pix didn't like, posted a vid, took a vid down, didn't matter, they banned him for whatever it was. Personally IDGAF about the details, there's more on adrians discord (which I am not a member) and some cryptic talk on his kid/flamethrower live stream, but the bottom line is that manni 「fluffernutter」ed up. How? I don't know. But it was (by mannis own admission) unrelated to the survey thing. I’m going to say that his promotion of the DenisFox video with its “100% HONEST” parody did not go over well.
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Post by easystrider on Mar 14, 2024 12:20:38 GMT -5
I’m going to say that his promotion of the DenisFox video with its “100% HONEST” parody did not go over well.
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That's not what got him banned though, according to Manni. In the ban clip he says that is was because of "War Robots d-gems" video, where I presume he compared some in game currencies to crypto-currency and by his own admission misunderstood/mischaracterized some game feature(s). He further says that he took that video down and submitted correction. 1:51 of the ban video is where Manni explains it. That's at least what he says about it, maybe there's more to it not being shared.
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Post by tabbylion on Mar 23, 2024 4:51:31 GMT -5
There is far more to this than we know. Manni just glosses over it, but he did something ELSE that pix didn't like, posted a vid, took a vid down, didn't matter, they banned him for whatever it was. Personally IDGAF about the details, there's more on adrians discord (which I am not a member) and some cryptic talk on his kid/flamethrower live stream, but the bottom line is that manni 「fluffernutter」ed up. How? I don't know. But it was (by mannis own admission) unrelated to the survey thing. I found this post in one of the content creator discords:
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Post by easystrider on Mar 24, 2024 10:41:01 GMT -5
There is far more to this than we know. Manni just glosses over it, but he did something ELSE that pix didn't like, posted a vid, took a vid down, didn't matter, they banned him for whatever it was. Personally IDGAF about the details, there's more on adrians discord (which I am not a member) and some cryptic talk on his kid/flamethrower live stream, but the bottom line is that manni 「fluffernutter」ed up. How? I don't know. But it was (by mannis own admission) unrelated to the survey thing. I found this post in one of the content creator discords: Yea, sorry, but I have my doubts about a lot what is being written above. He did have a video where he announced he'll be doing less War Robots content, but made it pretty clear the biggest (main) reason is Pixonic not doing anything about the hackers. So his reason(s), while valid, were slightly different that those of the rest. Him and Manni did start playing other games, but given that their channels' watch numbers started dropping even before that this was a no-brainer. This is hardly standing up to Pixonic, this is mostly looking out for your own bottom line. If War Robots views are going down and they make a living doing this, they need start looking for alternate content. As for not promoting War Robots Frontlines content... please. When WRF came out almost every single youtuber had a video(s) about it. Right now there are 21 players playing WRF across the entire globe, so yea, youtubers won't be making videos about it. Now he does have a fair point about some youtubers dropping out on petition effort after feeling manipulated by Manni. The timing does feel suspicious. But, as pointed out by all, the petition has nothing to do with Manni's transgressions. So I think it would have been ok to support it anyway, unless of course anybody is concerned about Pixonic's retaliation. Lastly, note how many times he throws out words like "hatred", "toxic" and "bullying". Adrian's (in)famous passive-aggressive style of dismissing any critical voices.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Mar 24, 2024 13:03:15 GMT -5
Hope he finds something else to enjoy.
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Post by tabbylion on Mar 25, 2024 8:09:27 GMT -5
Dunno if you guy seen content creator Mighty Spector’s vid from 2 weeks ago, he has an explanation:
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Post by easystrider on Mar 26, 2024 10:48:25 GMT -5
Did I write that I think Pixonic will eventually restore his account? WRONG!: Lol, Manni is like in full war mode with Pixonic. Basically called them a thieves and devoted entire video to berating them for their release OP/nerf cycle. I need more popcorn!
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Mar 26, 2024 15:40:18 GMT -5
Did I write that I think Pixonic will eventually restore his account? WRONG!:Lol, Manni is like in full war mode with Pixonic. Basically called them a thieves and devoted entire video to berating them for their release OP/nerf cycle. I need more popcorn! I could not find anything in that vid that I disagree with. Usually there are a few things in other vids but not that one. Sadly at this point in time, I "hate the Playa more than the game". But hey it's their money, their choice in the end but I do feel sorry for those genuinely trapped in the vicious release/nerf cycles trying to stay competitive in the clan formats.
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Post by titando on Mar 27, 2024 9:30:20 GMT -5
It's truly a shame that we can't just have a "game" w/out all the drama. Drama that Pixonic has caused. It makes you wonder if even the drama is purposeful. After all, even negative press is still press. Funny how Adrian is implying he was first to stand up against Pixonic... hmmm... but nobody knew it. LOL!
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