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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 20, 2023 17:03:07 GMT -5
Whatever they did with AI, it was temporary. Or they hosed up MM even more in the process, if that’s even possible. The humans they’re ‘matching’ me against have been ridiculous last night and today. WT* is with these people.
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Post by Redfiend on Aug 21, 2023 6:09:50 GMT -5
Whatever they did with AI, it was temporary. Or they hosed up MM even more in the process, if that’s even possible. The humans they’re ‘matching’ me against have been ridiculous last night and today. WT* is with these people. The more they cut rewards, the more people game the system. SP dropping is a thing, and isn't very difficult. People make a hangar out of their base level R1-R2 mechs, with R1-R2 weapons, play a single game, then switch back to their real hangars to get 2-3 matches where the MM is still treating them like they're running the R1-2 gear. The AI seem worse after every update because they get every new toy and the pilot/implant upgrades to their hangar are immediate. Even with gear hub, EVERY variation of the Frag gun and Fusion cannons are real money only. Can you guess what every AI hangar has, with the best implants and pilot? The less incentive there is for people to play at their "appropriate" level, which never feels like playing "at level" because of the AI having hangars that cost AT LEAST 4 digits worth of $, where there ARENT ANY RESOURCES to be had from playing at that level, the more people are gonna tank. The "grade" update was only put into place to sell low rank legendary gear as pay to win, while still setting players up to spend hundreds more to upgrade those legendary items when the MM has decided they need to cough up more money. What is the point of having a teired gear heirarchy, when everything but legendary gear is made obsolete by players buying R2-3 legendary gear that have better base stats than R4-5 gear that's actually available in the teir? This game is bust. Pretty sure more people from War Robots are defecting with how War Robots is literally falling apart stability wise, while pix has added a NINTH currency, and plarium is scooping up those moron's money by the boatload. Blatant cash grab. The matches feel so bad on both of my accounts that I don't even feel like playing for dailies. |
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Post by OU812? on Aug 21, 2023 6:40:58 GMT -5
It seems like there’s a bit of ‘throw sh*t at the wall and see what sticks’ mentality now. Plarium is trying a lot of different stuff to move forward but the direction seems to be reverse.
Ironically, many of us paid more when the game was more balanced and MM was less manipulative than it is now. Too paid Plarium’s management can’t recognize that.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 21, 2023 9:46:04 GMT -5
It seems like there’s a bit of ‘throw sh*t at the wall and see what sticks’ mentality now. Plarium is trying a lot of different stuff to move forward but the direction seems to be reverse. Ironically, many of us paid more when the game was more balanced and MM was less manipulative than it is now. Too paid Plarium’s management can’t recognize that. I’d say it’s because whales are gonna whale, regardless of what MM is doing. They figure there’s nothing that can’t be beaten with a credit card, and that’s clearly the player Paylarium is most concerned with, as they are constantly reinforcing that notion. And whatever more they can wring out of us nickel-and-dimers is gravy. That’s the only explanation for the constant power creep and utter disregard for a balanced game. They keep teasing me with human opponents with relatively monster hangars (compared to mine, anyway), with gear that’s one to several tiers above mine. Of course I get rekt by them. The only good thing is, once I lose a couple, things seem to settle back down for a few games. I’ve got Lancer and its PC4’s both ready to rank up to R4, but so far I’ve resisted the temptation, because I don’t know what’s on the other end of those rank-ups. Things are manageable now and I don’t want to kill it by pushing my ranks up too far. And I still have a few more levels to go with my pilots and implants. |
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Post by Redfiend on Aug 21, 2023 16:37:11 GMT -5
Danny LinguiniEven progressing through the teirs "naturally", the new wave of uninitiated players are what makes the new MM the worst experience for anyone that isn't buying every yellow bordered "sale" to pop up on their screen. Even at R2 or 3, Disk Launchers, Carbines, Miniguns, Chainguns, Gatecrashers, Surge, Onyx, Orions Killshots, Panthers, and now Scorpius just make everything "available" in the teir a new player is actually in, dogwater. Their stats are a rank up from what's available. On top of that, the AI still cheats. Weapons for the AI are "at teir", but then they have Gold pilots and implants that double their damage output. The AI also regularly uses low rarity mechs 1-2 ranks higher than the current teir. So, being in T4 means fighting R4 Paragons with R3Mortar 8+12 or R3LA8+12 with pilots/implants, while Mortar and LA 12 are T4 items. Even worse, R5 Paragons with Jav or MR 16+8 It also means seeing R4(16 en) Juggernauts with R3Frag guns that deal over 10k damage per shot with Gold range/damage implants It also means seing R5 Lancers with R3 Pulse 6 or Pulse 8+4 with Gold implants for damage/range. Whatever they tried to do has been a spectacular failure in terms of consistency, but apparently has enough people spending to keep them doubling down. I underestimated the idiocy of War Robots players through the many years of Pixonic's anti consumer updates, but this game never even had the playerbase to phase out AI, nor will it ever reach that level with how they're running the game.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 21, 2023 21:55:41 GMT -5
I’ve given up trying to figure out what the **** these people are doing. Last few days had been pretty easy rolling, then late yesterday things started heading back to ‘normal’. Tonight it’s a downright bloodfest again - starting to see more and more magic mechs and weapons, which is exactly what I’d been trying to avoid by sticking with my two T1 mechs and T2 weapons and resisting the urge to upgrade any of them past R3. Curiously it always seems to be after I’ve spent a few $$$ that things go batty - yesterday I grabbed a couple of those 99¢ pilot mark packs and kicked up one of my pilots to R5. Maybe that’s what’s making things nuts.
I almost did a bad thing earlier and grabbed a Tengu to replace Lancer; luckily the offer timed out before I could make up my mind. Being a T4 mech, lord knows what that would have done to the MM. probably would mean more AI sporting the magic gear that only the noobie wallet warrior humans are bringing now.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 22, 2023 17:35:54 GMT -5
Well, I did a not-quite-as-bad thing and switched my Lancer from PC’s to JR’s. Bought Rosa for guided weapons and sent Major to Catering for awhile. Unfortunately that kicked me right up to T3, but my first few battles haven’t shown much difference … yet. In fact the swap actually dropped my SP by 36, which I know in the grand scheme of things means nothing.
I figure this setup will be garbage on the smokestacks map, which I haven’t gotten to use it on yet, but everywhere else it’s been pretty deadly. The Javs are rated at less than half the damage per mag than the PC’s, but they sure do kill stuff a LOT faster. Probably because every missile hits its target, unlike PC’s, especially beyond their optimal range. If I decide to tempt fate and grab a Tengu, I’ll probably switch back to the PC’s, or maybe even shotguns and go with PC8’s on the Paragon. Got a good long while before I’ll have to make that decision.
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Post by Redfiend on Aug 22, 2023 19:40:59 GMT -5
Well, I did a not-quite-as-bad thing and switched my Lancer from PC’s to JR’s. Bought Rosa for guided weapons and sent Major to Catering for awhile. Unfortunately that kicked me right up to T3, but my first few battles haven’t shown much difference … yet. In fact the swap actually dropped my SP by 36, which I know in the grand scheme of things means nothing. I figure this setup will be garbage on the smokestacks map, which I haven’t gotten to use it on yet, but everywhere else it’s been pretty deadly. The Javs are rated at less than half the damage per mag than the PC’s, but they sure do kill stuff a LOT faster. Probably because every missile hits its target, unlike PC’s, especially beyond their optimal range. If I decide to tempt fate and grab a Tengu, I’ll probably switch back to the PC’s, or maybe even shotguns and go with PC8’s on the Paragon. Got a good long while before I’ll have to make that decision. Sp is weird before fully being in T3. Once something in T3(like pulse cannons) are actually bought is when the insanity truly started. Keeping SP low probably mitigates just how crazy the MM will go. The ## player that sparked this post floats between 277 and 365 SP with their 2 slot hangar. The way the MM is calculating SP is strange, pilot SP and actual mech/weapon SP are funky. It looks like every "rarity" of mech is allowed an additional rank from the teir following it. IE: T2 will mostly be R2 green border mechs, with R3 Lancer/Paragon with R2 weapons. T3 will mostly be R2-3 green border mechs with R3 weapons, Base rank(3) blue border mechs, but paragon and lancer go up to R4, with R3 weapons. T4, same trend: R5 Paragon/lancer with base rank(3-4 depending on what) R4 green border mechs with R3 blue weapons, rank 4 green/white weapons, R3 Blue border mechs with R3 weapons. The "progress" in the way MM calculates encourages leveling all of the early items to be at rank or higher with whatever is available, but the monetization model is literally "Buy all this R2-R3 Gold/purple gear because they have higher stats than everything else you have access to" |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 24, 2023 13:56:01 GMT -5
Ok, I’ve got from now until the next time I see an offer for a Tengu for somebody to talk some sense into me. Here’s my lineup right now. I also have a legendary pilot and pulse cannon setup for Lancer, but the Javs are way more fun. I’m thinking about swapping a Tengu in for the Lancer, though now it would be a step down in firepower until I could get it to R4, the Sky Strike ability looks might appealing, and it’s a good jump up in HP. I haven’t bit yet because I’m worried that jumping from a T1 mech to a T4 will turn MM from just annoying to downright infuriating. Worthwhile, or stupid idea?    |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 25, 2023 11:43:30 GMT -5
You guys really want to see me go down in flames, don’t ya!!  |
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Post by Redfiend on Aug 25, 2023 12:47:50 GMT -5
"We want to make our AI bots more like players" *enters T2 by buying Juggernaut and Plasma 4" AI:  The game is bust. Don't spend anything. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 25, 2023 13:03:21 GMT -5
Tengu in the neon shop right now for $10.99.  |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 25, 2023 13:07:14 GMT -5
"We want to make our AI bots more like players" *enters T2 by buying Juggernaut and Plasma 4" AI: The game is bust. Don't spend anything. With Myna at R3, even. Because everybody has one of those, right? Ok, point taken. |
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Post by reconnecting on Aug 25, 2023 14:47:54 GMT -5
I like Landed more than Tengu. But that's me. Jumping on buildings is fun. 😁
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 25, 2023 15:01:44 GMT -5
I can max Tengu any time I have the 500k credits and don't need it for anything else...should I? What would I run on it?
I'm also tempted to do Lancer too but am too afraid MM will punish me if I run a maxed all scout hangar.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 25, 2023 17:24:34 GMT -5
I like Landed more than Tengu. But that's me. Jumping on buildings is fun. 😁 Does Tengu not jump as well as Lancer? That’s a deal breaker. I didn’t bite, btw - still just my two T1 mechs. Paragon with Shottie 8’s can be pretty brutal - I boost into range and blast away. Get 3 or 4 reds in close proximity, and I usually get 3 or 4 dead reds. Everybody has higher SP hangars, but most of their mechs aren’t as upgraded, so most of them get vaporized with 2 or 3 shots, especially slingshots, just as they think they’re going to dash me. I get lots of angry faces. Curiously, the weapon that seems to toast me the most right now is thermal lances. It’s like the War Robots laser light show of old where it seems the entire red team has them, and they’re all aimed at me at the same time. Of course it’s usually bots and their ridiculous pilots. |
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Post by Redfiend on Aug 25, 2023 17:47:24 GMT -5
I like Landed more than Tengu. But that's me. Jumping on buildings is fun. 😁 Does Tengu not jump as well as Lancer? That’s a deal breaker. I didn’t bite, btw - still just my two T1 mechs. Paragon with Shottie 8’s can be pretty brutal - I boost into range and blast away. Get 3 or 4 reds in close proximity, and I usually get 3 or 4 dead reds. Everybody has higher SP hangars, but most of their mechs aren’t as upgraded, so most of them get vaporized with 2 or 3 shots, especially slingshots, just as they think they’re going to dash me. I get lots of angry faces. Curiously, the weapon that seems to toast me the most right now is thermal lances. It’s like the War Robots laser light show of old where it seems the entire red team has them, and they’re all aimed at me at the same time. Of course it’s usually bots and their ridiculous pilots. Tengu doesn't jump as high, and doesn't clear most basic height barricades. The "Mercury Stomp" isn't optional, and the stealth duration is very short. Yes, the entire AI will field Tls to focus fire you from every direction. The occasional 2 tap yeet from overleveled long arm Paragon is a close second. |
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 29, 2023 8:14:39 GMT -5
Tengu's ability is more of a hop/skip/boom. I'm only credits away from maxing mine but I pretty much gave up on it.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 5, 2023 13:33:31 GMT -5
Well, I defied the wise advice of the good and well-meaning fellows here and grabbed a Tengu. It’s actually a bit of a SP drop from my R4 Lancer, and it definitely plays different, but so far it’s a pretty nasty-fun little mech. I took Myna and the Shotguns (sounds like an 80’s punk band) off of Paragon and put them on Tengu, and it’s just a blast to play, at least while MM is still catching up with me. I put Major back on Paragon with PC8’s, which I haven’t had a chance to try yet because Tengu has lasted the whole game his first three times out. Gotta get an ability enhancer implant now for that last empty slot.
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Post by S1E1 on Sept 5, 2023 19:47:24 GMT -5
Couldn't resist 😁  |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 5, 2023 23:39:14 GMT -5
Ooff - it got brutal. Took five games to do today’s dailies, with two sound defeats and another mech-out win. I need to rank this guy up bad, but I can see that bp’s are gonna be hard to come by. Definitely need a sky strike damage implant, too, but I very, VERY seldom see legendary implants. I’d be happy with a purple ability thingie at this point.
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Post by Redfiend on Sept 6, 2023 15:36:05 GMT -5
They updated AI to be even more aggressive.
It's not going against "selling power" it's leaning into it. Player matches don't matter. Spend, and keep spending, and keep spending, because the AI will always have gear in a higher MM bracket than you unless you're at a 50% win rate.
Mayer said in one of his recent videos that he has more fun playing without pilots (everything he has is maxed) because he gets more players and max AI is boring to fight against.
The "skill based matchmaker" 50/50 win rate is meant to make every match a sweat.
Fun fact: new accounts aren't getting ads at all. War robots is likely bleeding players, especially with the content creators that have been with it for years trying to get away.
Plarium is soaking up the addicts for everything they're worth.
I'm just doing my dailies on my main until the season pass is up. Then I'm going to wait and see.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 6, 2023 16:20:59 GMT -5
They updated AI to be even more aggressive. It's not going against "selling power" it's leaning into it. Player matches don't matter. Spend, and keep spending, and keep spending, because the AI will always have gear in a higher MM bracket than you unless you're at a 50% win rate. Mayer said in one of his recent videos that he has more fun playing without pilots (everything he has is maxed) because he gets more players and max AI is boring to fight against. The "skill based matchmaker" 50/50 win rate is meant to make every match a sweat. Fun fact: new accounts aren't getting ads at all. War robots is likely bleeding players, especially with the content creators that have been with it for years trying to get away. Plarium is soaking up the addicts for everything they're worth. I'm just doing my dailies on my main until the season pass is up. Then I'm going to wait and see. I just finished my season games a few days ago, and I’m done with the battle passes for awhile. I’ll get 500k credits in a few days, which will put me over 3 mil, which should be plenty for my monster 2-slot hangar. I have all the gear I need to keep me going for quite some time, and it’s taking progressively longer to amass the bp’s needed for upgrades, so those will be fewer and farther between. I don’t see me getting any more mechs, and the only other weapon I may go for if I see a decent offer is Jav8’s, to throw on Paragon when I get bored, and to have on hand if/when I ever max Lancer. I have all the shotguns to get the Tengu to max as well. But those are both still a long, long way off. And I just had a little bit of fun - I took out Paragon and put Lancer with javs back in with Tengu with shotties. Running two squirts is kinda fun, and definitely more productive. I might leave that mix in there for awhile. I’m having more fun chasing my own carrot, not theirs. |
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Post by Redfiend on Sept 6, 2023 17:02:56 GMT -5
They updated AI to be even more aggressive. It's not going against "selling power" it's leaning into it. Player matches don't matter. Spend, and keep spending, and keep spending, because the AI will always have gear in a higher MM bracket than you unless you're at a 50% win rate. Mayer said in one of his recent videos that he has more fun playing without pilots (everything he has is maxed) because he gets more players and max AI is boring to fight against. The "skill based matchmaker" 50/50 win rate is meant to make every match a sweat. Fun fact: new accounts aren't getting ads at all. War robots is likely bleeding players, especially with the content creators that have been with it for years trying to get away. Plarium is soaking up the addicts for everything they're worth. I'm just doing my dailies on my main until the season pass is up. Then I'm going to wait and see. I just finished my season games a few days ago, and I’m done with the battle passes for awhile. I’ll get 500k credits in a few days, which will put me over 3 mil, which should be plenty for my monster 2-slot hangar. I have all the gear I need to keep me going for quite some time, and it’s taking progressively longer to amass the bp’s needed for upgrades, so those will be fewer and farther between. I don’t see me getting any more mechs, and the only other weapon I may go for if I see a decent offer is Jav8’s, to throw on Paragon when I get bored, and to have on hand if/when I ever max Lancer. I have all the shotguns to get the Tengu to max as well. But those are both still a long, long way off. And I just had a little bit of fun - I took out Paragon and put Lancer with javs back in with Tengu with shotties. Running two squirts is kinda fun, and definitely more productive. I might leave that mix in there for awhile. I’m having more fun chasing my own carrot, not theirs. My main account still doesn't have enough BPs to max Lancer and Paragon. That's with a year and a half. Maybe being locked into the limited BP pool by not advancing will see better results, but common mechs need a total of 10k+ Bps to max. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 21, 2023 23:36:45 GMT -5
The little terror is coming of age. Just need a Jav Rack range implant to really round things out. Got Jav8’s waiting in the parts bin for when he reaches adulthood. If I live that long.  |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 22, 2023 8:39:50 GMT -5
And of course, with that comes the rest of the story - these are the kinds of hangars I’m facing now. Lots of wallet warrior noobs sporting their new magic mechs. &$#@ eclipses are the worst. They’re killing me, but most of the time I’m still taking enough of their friends out to win the matches. So far. Boy do they get mad when I kill them first.   |
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Post by Koalabear on Sept 22, 2023 9:28:47 GMT -5
Every time I System Crash an Eclipse under Cloak, the pilot always has a second of incredulity before turning and trying to run. It's freaking hilarious. Just remember that albeit slow, the Guardian is still the GOAT. I still haven't had a chance to crash a Redeemer in mid rewind but I'm pretty sure it would work too. System Crash trumps all new magic mech abilities.
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Post by BigBear on Sept 22, 2023 9:32:09 GMT -5
I have an F2P alt account and yeah those payed bots and weapons may be low level but they still smack hard in the lower leagues,but like you my experience of playing and decent knowledge of the capabilities of the items means sometimes I can sway the outcome of a battle as the spenders usually plow on in a straight line thinking their latest purchase will see them through,of course the terrible MM and AI still have a bigger say in the match outcome than any player experience.
When I see how much is spent at lower leagues,even if it may be pocket change,and add that to the whale payments higher level you can see Paylarium still rake in a big chunk of coin with this game despite the terrible decisions they regularly make.
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Post by Redfiend on Sept 22, 2023 15:52:05 GMT -5
I have an F2P alt account and yeah those payed bots and weapons may be low level but they still smack hard in the lower leagues,but like you my experience of playing and decent knowledge of the capabilities of the items means sometimes I can sway the outcome of a battle as the spenders usually plow on in a straight line thinking their latest purchase will see them through,of course the terrible MM and AI still have a bigger say in the match outcome than any player experience. When I see how much is spent at lower leagues,even if it may be pocket change,and add that to the whale payments higher level you can see Paylarium still rake in a big chunk of coin with this game despite the terrible decisions they regularly make. The new monetization model capitalizes on all of the newbies that have no idea what they're doing. The week long shop offers of late teir mechs at R2-3 with mid-late teir weapons to match seem to be their new bread and butter. The gear hub may have made 2022's content finally available for in game currency, but there's no timeline on when everything from Helix8 and after will be released for in game currencies. I resurrected my FB game account because it happens to exist right at "the wall", teir 4. I still have access to coin ads. I think it would be unbearable for any F2P without access to ads, especially if they're taking advice from the "Gear Hub tasks". Players that buy the R2-3 legendary mechs and weapons get to feel like whales, until they realize getting a single mech to R4 is 1875 coins, 3x the cost of going from R2 to R3(575). They really don't know the "deal" they're getting is just back loading the majority of the costs into credits, coins, and considering the ever widening pool of items, blueprints. The game is getting more and more stratified, in a bad way. Watched a fairly recent video that said Diamond league is where War Robots hits the wall of bull「dookie」. Teir IV is definitely that wall for casuals and grinding players, as the only Credit items in T IV are Voltaic RPG8, Arachnos and Stasis 8(if they didn't complete the derbies). The derby version of Stasis 8 also short changes a rank, starting at R3. LA12, Jav8, and Mortar 10 are the only coin items that cost less than 1k, Tengu is still a dead purchase, even with the face lift, and everything else other than stalker is 28XX coins and up. The other "mid game" appropriate items in the teir are frag guns and fusion cannons, which are still $36 and $9 direct purchase only. R5's credit based items are Zephyr, Helix 10, and DL8, everything else is 4k+ coins. With ads, it's easy to rack up 50-70K credits a day, but coin sources are still utterly anemic. Outside of tournament, coin events are mostly rebates, not net gains. In T5 the only options other than buying Cheetah and Aegis, are buying the 8 EN legendary weapons at 7.5k coins each. This game is really riding on that razor thin line of being ~just a little bit better~ than War Robots, but at this rate, unless some laws change somewhere, it's only going to get worse. Honestly, the easiest way they can get high teir players to stay at high teirs, is to just stop the AI from spawning with RGs and EMs. But yea, I advise everyone reading this to keep their wallets closed unless they really feel like they're getting their money's worth. Anyone that's been around since Beta, should know they're not.  |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 22, 2023 18:33:45 GMT -5
The only things I’m spending $$$ on are battle pass (500k credit stash plus all the other extra goodies for $9.99) and cheapo a-coin offers - $0.99 - $2.99 and gotta be at least 50% off. And maybe the rare pilot mark offer, but that’s gotta be a hefty discount over the standard shop rip-off price, too. With only two mechs and two families of weapons to upgrade, this is pretty much keeping the wait times down to just accumulating the BP’s. And I’m not getting steamrolled every other game, so I’m actually enjoying playing … for now. We’ll see how that holds out on the rest of the long, long road to maxing Lancer and Tengu.
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