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Post by reconnecting on Jul 15, 2021 12:58:37 GMT -5
- Game play seems more steady, less reconnecting/lag
Excuse me?
"Running a SB12 and SB16 Panther... is kind of fun.... "
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Post by Koalabear on Jul 15, 2021 13:13:17 GMT -5
CB12/RG16 is actually pretty wicked on the Panther. Bait mechs to come towards you while stinging decent at them with the CB12, Stasis Field when they're about 40m away, nail them with the RG16 when they're stuck.
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Post by reconnecting on Jul 15, 2021 13:21:18 GMT -5
Ares shield is now permanent, and every mech has more HP from 6.1 and up. Let's be real, it never made sense for Jug to have the permanent shield when Ares' shield only protected it's front. Still a better cooldown than Ares had before the patch. I got ya but I have put a massive amount of resources into the Jug not the Ares. Changing the mechanics drastically effects how/if one uses the mech. If it’s not a mistake, it’s a crappy move. I agree, my Juggs has lost its semi permanent shield. I wasted lots of resources on it. I guess I will have to put resources into Ares. Booooo on this aspect of the update! |
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Post by reconnecting on Jul 15, 2021 13:31:31 GMT -5
That Ares is in there because it's my next closest mech to be able to hang in my hanger. It's at 4.7 right now, so I can take it to R5 if I want, but I'm not sure I want to. I may decide to go a different route and I'll probably sit on that decision for a while. I may go with a Shadow for my 5th. I'm missing the speed of a 2nd KS (it's a forced thing as I'm trying to get used to no 2nd copies ahead of time). Just messing with ya. I’ve gotten used to playing the Jug a certain way, particularly in CPC, it doesn’t seem like much of a change to those who don’t run it but assure you it’s a massive difference. Like I said , I don’t know I would have committed the amount of resources I did w these mechanics, mostly likely not. I have only run my seconds for tasks, so I’m prepared. Maybe this is a way to get Jugg fans to buy a Brickhouse. I levelled Jugg rather than go for BH.  |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 15, 2021 15:41:29 GMT -5
Just messing with ya. I’ve gotten used to playing the Jug a certain way, particularly in CPC, it doesn’t seem like much of a change to those who don’t run it but assure you it’s a massive difference. Like I said , I don’t know I would have committed the amount of resources I did w these mechanics, mostly likely not. I have only run my seconds for tasks, so I’m prepared. Maybe this is a way to get Jugg fans to buy a Brickhouse. I levelled Jugg rather than go for BH. I'd say it's because of Ares more than BH...
BH is more of a support mech than a tank... in all practicality. It's ability is just too good to not use with a partner. The lack of a shield or defensive ability at all just takes it out of the Tank category for me.
As for Juggs, it was played all the way to endgame for quite a few players, while Ares, despite being higher up on the rarity list, was hardly, if ever, seen by anything but AI and a select few players once you get further along in the game. Sure in the beginning, with it being a cheap gear deal for anyone willing to spend, Ares dominates against new players. Juggs is one of the first bots, common rarity, and should at least be the same in effectiveness as the Ares, if not a little worse, just going by the cost, alone. Not better.
That said, I think they could have fixed the Ares, by itself, and left the Juggy alone and would have gotten the same result. Even just lengthening the cooldown but leaving the mechanics alone would have been good. Ares' speed being just a little better actually helps a LOT in 2:00 TDM matches. The only thing anyone ever complained about the Ares was the shield... Juggy was perfect as it was and if the Ares shield behaved the same way as the Juggy's, I'd guess that we'd see a lot more Ares along with the Juggies.
I don't what they did was a good move and just cements the bad vibes so many are getting from this update.
Tangent: The EN limit increase maxing out at 7/7 (which is costly as HELL), is nothing less than P2W unless they separate power ratings in MM more than they do now. It isn't even a question in my mind. This change allowed me to equip weapons that pumped my SP to 3400 from 3000-ish, while in the game I played at lunch I was up against two real players with 1800SP and 2500 SP. It was CPC, and I won it with 16 kills and five beacons on Old Dubai. They weren't bad players; they were corner shooting, scrambling for beacons, etc., but I just had better equipment and could take them out even when they did everything right. Shouldn't happen. I'd rather face all bots than play against under-powered PVPers. In fact, for the rest of my lunch break, that's what I did to test my setups; set up a custom match and filled it with bots.
For now, I am going to equip less than the best that I can unless squadding with the clan, or I start to encounter more people near my power rating. It's just not fun to seal club. I will probably play even less than life lets me, now, if there isn't a MM improvement after a few weeks.
Of course, this is just IMO, YMMV.
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Post by BigBear on Jul 15, 2021 17:19:58 GMT -5
My impression of the update is the power gap just got a lot bigger.I played four tourney games and lost all of them,MM kept dropping me and randoms against full well known squads and they just wiped the floor with us.I gave up and quit,now normally after a while I get itchy to play another few rounds but right now I'm happy not to play again till tomorrow.
Play may improve when copied bots are removed but time will tell.
I have also read the next event day for the Arachnid bot requires 4 weapon/bot upgrades as one of the daily tasks so I can see where that event is heading.
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Post by dukeofadvil on Jul 15, 2021 17:35:48 GMT -5
Maybe this is a way to get Jugg fans to buy a Brickhouse. I levelled Jugg rather than go for BH. I'd say it's because of Ares more than BH...
BH is more of a support mech than a tank... in all practicality. It's ability is just too good to not use with a partner. The lack of a shield or defensive ability at all just takes it out of the Tank category for me.
As for Juggs, it was played all the way to endgame for quite a few players, while Ares, despite being higher up on the rarity list, was hardly, if ever, seen by anything but AI and a select few players once you get further along in the game. Sure in the beginning, with it being a cheap gear deal for anyone willing to spend, Ares dominates against new players. Juggs is one of the first bots, common rarity, and should at least be the same in effectiveness as the Ares, if not a little worse, just going by the cost, alone. Not better.
That said, I think they could have fixed the Ares, by itself, and left the Juggy alone and would have gotten the same result. Even just lengthening the cooldown but leaving the mechanics alone would have been good. Ares' speed being just a little better actually helps a LOT in 2:00 TDM matches. The only thing anyone ever complained about the Ares was the shield... Juggy was perfect as it was and if the Ares shield behaved the same way as the Juggy's, I'd guess that we'd see a lot more Ares along with the Juggies.
I don't what they did was a good move and just cements the bad vibes so many are getting from this update.
Tangent: The EN limit increase maxing out at 6/7 (which is costly as HELL), is nothing less than P2W unless they separate power ratings in MM more than they do now. It isn't even a question in my mind. This change allowed me to equip weapons that pumped my SP to 3400 from 3000-ish, while in the game I played at lunch I was up against two real players with 1800SP and 2500 SP. It was CPC, and I won it with 16 kills and five beacons on Old Dubai. They weren't bad players; they were corner shooting, scrambling for beacons, etc., but I just had better equipment and could take them out even when they did everything right. Shouldn't happen. I'd rather face all bots than play against under-powered PVPers. In fact, for the rest of my lunch break, that's what I did to test my setups; set up a custom match and filled it with bots.
For now, I am going to equip less than the best that I can unless squadding with the clan, or I start to encounter more people near my power rating. It's just not fun to seal club. I will probably play even less than life lets me, now, if there isn't a MM improvement after a few weeks.
Of course, this is just IMO, YMMV.
Fixing match making for you eliminates all but a handful of players. If they get it right you wont see nothing but AI 80% if the time |
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Post by S1E1 on Jul 15, 2021 18:01:31 GMT -5
Maybe this is a way to get Jugg fans to buy a Brickhouse. I levelled Jugg rather than go for BH. I'd say it's because of Ares more than BH...
BH is more of a support mech than a tank... in all practicality. It's ability is just too good to not use with a partner. The lack of a shield or defensive ability at all just takes it out of the Tank category for me.
As for Juggs, it was played all the way to endgame for quite a few players, while Ares, despite being higher up on the rarity list, was hardly, if ever, seen by anything but AI and a select few players once you get further along in the game. Sure in the beginning, with it being a cheap gear deal for anyone willing to spend, Ares dominates against new players. Juggs is one of the first bots, common rarity, and should at least be the same in effectiveness as the Ares, if not a little worse, just going by the cost, alone. Not better.
That said, I think they could have fixed the Ares, by itself, and left the Juggy alone and would have gotten the same result. Even just lengthening the cooldown but leaving the mechanics alone would have been good. Ares' speed being just a little better actually helps a LOT in 2:00 TDM matches. The only thing anyone ever complained about the Ares was the shield... Juggy was perfect as it was and if the Ares shield behaved the same way as the Juggy's, I'd guess that we'd see a lot more Ares along with the Juggies.
I don't what they did was a good move and just cements the bad vibes so many are getting from this update.
Tangent: The EN limit increase maxing out at 6/7 (which is costly as HELL), is nothing less than P2W unless they separate power ratings in MM more than they do now. It isn't even a question in my mind. This change allowed me to equip weapons that pumped my SP to 3400 from 3000-ish, while in the game I played at lunch I was up against two real players with 1800SP and 2500 SP. It was CPC, and I won it with 16 kills and five beacons on Old Dubai. They weren't bad players; they were corner shooting, scrambling for beacons, etc., but I just had better equipment and could take them out even when they did everything right. Shouldn't happen. I'd rather face all bots than play against under-powered PVPers. In fact, for the rest of my lunch break, that's what I did to test my setups; set up a custom match and filled it with bots.
For now, I am going to equip less than the best that I can unless squadding with the clan, or I start to encounter more people near my power rating. It's just not fun to seal club. I will probably play even less than life lets me, now, if there isn't a MM improvement after a few weeks.
Of course, this is just IMO, YMMV.
I forsee a bunch of top players racing to get their Ares to 6.7 for EN24. With the new shielda it seems like the perfect vehicle for 2xCarb 12s, now that Panthers got their energy boosted and folks can't have a 2nd copy of it. And in the meantime, the whole EN 18/20/24 setup for 5.1/6.1/6.7 on Ares and Zephyr keeps Carb 10s relevant. In terms of getting players to keep chasing resources they seem to have done a lot with just these tweaks. |
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Post by BigBear on Jul 15, 2021 18:51:39 GMT -5
From what I can see playing now this update has done nothing to improve game balance,in fact it has had the opposite effect as now the high level players are just shooting other players to smithereens.I fear this is going to have a negative impact on the game as the only option is to rank up your hanger at a huge A coin expense,with the mood of the players as seen on Discord and FB I just can't see that happening right now.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jul 15, 2021 22:31:18 GMT -5
From what I can see playing now this update has done nothing to improve game balance,in fact it has had the opposite effect as now the high level players are just shooting other players to smithereens.I fear this is going to have a negative impact on the game as the only option is to rank up your hanger at a huge A coin expense,with the mood of the players as seen on Discord and FB I just can't see that happening right now. Since they’re preparing to go global soon, this all doesn’t matter. Yes, they’ll likely lose some old players when the power gap inevitably widens and matchmaking remains its useless self. But they’ll more than make up for it with the global pool of new players who will start the game having no idea what has just been taken away from the old players. And within that pool of new players will be the expected sub-group of whales who will pick the 5 most powerful mechs and weapons available as they progress, and max them to the gills the first chance they get. That’s who’s being targeted by all of this. I’ve already seen it starting in my smurf account, getting obliterated by a single player with incrementally more fire power than everybody else than they had before. How anybody can see this as anything other than a pre-planned money grab is beyond me. |
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Post by A.c.r.u.x. on Jul 16, 2021 7:30:51 GMT -5
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 16, 2021 7:53:13 GMT -5
SNIP... Tangent: The EN limit increase maxing out at 6/7 (which is costly as HELL), is nothing less than P2W unless they separate power ratings in MM more than they do now. It isn't even a question in my mind. This change allowed me to equip weapons that pumped my SP to 3400 from 3000-ish, while in the game I played at lunch I was up against two real players with 1800SP and 2500 SP. It was CPC, and I won it with 16 kills and five beacons on Old Dubai. They weren't bad players; they were corner shooting, scrambling for beacons, etc., but I just had better equipment and could take them out even when they did everything right. Shouldn't happen. I'd rather face all bots than play against under-powered PVPers. In fact, for the rest of my lunch break, that's what I did to test my setups; set up a custom match and filled it with bots.
For now, I am going to equip less than the best that I can unless squadding with the clan, or I start to encounter more people near my power rating. It's just not fun to seal club. I will probably play even less than life lets me, now, if there isn't a MM improvement after a few weeks. Of course, this is just IMO, YMMV.
Fixing match making for you eliminates all but a handful of players. If they get it right you wont see nothing but AI 80% if the time It wouldn't have to be perfect... just better.
TBF, they may be waiting for Global Release to have an influx of players that sort MM out just by being there. I know they mentioned in a recent post that they were looking into something beyond Div 1... so, maybe, if that happens... but maybe not since there is no hangar component of the Division scores... you either win and gain points or lose and lose points. I get it... it leads to the "inspiration" of "needing" to pay to win. I get it... but I hope there is some power-based cordoning, or the next few months is going to be rough for new players, and lower leveled veteren players, alike. *Shrug*.
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Post by Redfiend on Jul 16, 2021 9:39:12 GMT -5
Fixing match making for you eliminates all but a handful of players. If they get it right you wont see nothing but AI 80% if the time It wouldn't have to be perfect... just better.
TBF, they may be waiting for Global Release to have an influx of players that sort MM out just by being there. I know they mentioned in a recent post that they were looking into something beyond Div 1... so, maybe, if that happens... but maybe not since there is no hangar component of the Division scores... you either win and gain points or lose and lose points. I get it... it leads to the "inspiration" of "needing" to pay to win. I get it... but I hope there is some power-based cordoning, or the next few months is going to be rough for new players, and lower leveled veteren players, alike. *Shrug*.
The current division system is completely detached from the MM. It's just an arbitrary score newbies have to grind through to get the max daily tokens at this point. pretty sure the MM is still based on the EXP track more than anything. Every real player in my recommended is within +-30K XP of me (97k min, 157k max. I'm at 127k). I've been playing at all hours because I've been working nutty shifts. I'll eventually get around to making new guides unless the game burns me out. The most important thing right now, is to commit. Spreading resources across things that aren't being used is the fastest way for someone to get thrown in above their weight class. |
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Post by dukeofadvil on Jul 16, 2021 9:56:34 GMT -5
It wouldn't have to be perfect... just better.
TBF, they may be waiting for Global Release to have an influx of players that sort MM out just by being there. I know they mentioned in a recent post that they were looking into something beyond Div 1... so, maybe, if that happens... but maybe not since there is no hangar component of the Division scores... you either win and gain points or lose and lose points. I get it... it leads to the "inspiration" of "needing" to pay to win. I get it... but I hope there is some power-based cordoning, or the next few months is going to be rough for new players, and lower leveled veteren players, alike. *Shrug*.
The current division system is completely detached from the MM. It's just an arbitrary score newbies have to grind through to get the max daily tokens at this point. pretty sure the MM is still based on the EXP track more than anything. Every real player in my recommended is within +-30K XP of me (97k min, 157k max. I'm at 127k). I've been playing at all hours because I've been working nutty shifts. I'll eventually get around to making new guides unless the game burns me out. The most important thing right now, is to commit. Spreading resources across things that aren't being used is the fastest way for someone to get thrown in above their weight class. If Pix2.0 is thinking ahead, they have to have a handful of weapons waiting in the wings to fill the void. I'm not spending anything for a while and I'll wait to see where the dust settles when the 「dookie」storm passes. |
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Post by reconnecting on Jul 16, 2021 12:48:41 GMT -5
The current division system is completely detached from the MM. It's just an arbitrary score newbies have to grind through to get the max daily tokens at this point. pretty sure the MM is still based on the EXP track more than anything. Every real player in my recommended is within +-30K XP of me (97k min, 157k max. I'm at 127k). I've been playing at all hours because I've been working nutty shifts. I'll eventually get around to making new guides unless the game burns me out. The most important thing right now, is to commit. Spreading resources across things that aren't being used is the fastest way for someone to get thrown in above their weight class. If Pix2.0 is thinking ahead, they have to have a handful of weapons waiting in the wings to fill the void. I'm not spending anything for a while and I'll wait to see where the dust settles when the 「dookie」storm passes. Oh yeah, Plarium has to have one or two new EN 16 weapons ready to go. Plus some 10 to 14s in the pipeline. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jul 19, 2021 11:19:50 GMT -5
Again … task to win 4 games in a raw, and suddenly I can’t win ANYTHING to save my life. I either get AI teammates that do absolutely nothing, or human enemies with double and triple my SP. This latest development derby - I made 2 fortune vaults and 7 crates, everything else has ZERO progress. I guess I can kiss that one goodbye.
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Post by A.c.r.u.x. on Jul 19, 2021 12:47:05 GMT -5
Again … task to win 4 games in a raw, and suddenly I can’t win ANYTHING to save my life. I either get AI teammates that do absolutely nothing, or human enemies with double and triple my SP. This latest development derby - I made 2 fortune vaults and 7 crates, everything else has ZERO progress. I guess I can kiss that one goodbye. you know how easy and fast it is to do in 2x2 which is also another task for 6 MVP..... |
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Post by reconnecting on Jul 19, 2021 13:17:20 GMT -5
Again … task to win 4 games in a raw, and suddenly I can’t win ANYTHING to save my life. I either get AI teammates that do absolutely nothing, or human enemies with double and triple my SP. This latest development derby - I made 2 fortune vaults and 7 crates, everything else has ZERO progress. I guess I can kiss that one goodbye. you know how easy and fast it is to do in 2x2 which is also another task for 6 MVP..... Especially early in the day when you may get more AI as opponents. |
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Post by reconnecting on Jul 19, 2021 13:18:32 GMT -5
Again … task to win 4 games in a raw, and suddenly I can’t win ANYTHING to save my life. I either get AI teammates that do absolutely nothing, or human enemies with double and triple my SP. This latest development derby - I made 2 fortune vaults and 7 crates, everything else has ZERO progress. I guess I can kiss that one goodbye. Team up with a couple of high SP friends and play several games. You will get it. Good luck. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jul 19, 2021 13:37:53 GMT -5
Yeah, tried 2v2. Me and my 860 SP hangar ended up against this guy. Ridiculous. Can’t win 「dookie」 today. This game is fast making its way back to the trash can.  |
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Post by Redfiend on Jul 19, 2021 19:49:10 GMT -5
Yeah, tried 2v2. Me and my 860 SP hangar ended up against this guy. Ridiculous. Can’t win 「dookie」 today. This game is fast making its way back to the trash can. That dude spent a TON of cash. |
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Post by BigBear on Jul 20, 2021 3:16:51 GMT -5
Yeah, tried 2v2. Me and my 860 SP hangar ended up against this guy. Ridiculous. Can’t win 「dookie」 today. This game is fast making its way back to the trash can. That dude spent a TON of cash. He may of spent a ton of cash but that does not explain why this games MM decided it was a fair pairing !!,I have been told the lower player gets better AI to make the battle more even but obviously it doesn't work that way. |
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Post by Redfiend on Jul 20, 2021 6:44:48 GMT -5
That dude spent a TON of cash. He may of spent a ton of cash but that does not explain why this games MM decided it was a fair pairing !!,I have been told the lower player gets better AI to make the battle more even but obviously it doesn't work that way. The MM works solely on EXP. Guy has a 2.8k SP hangar with under 40k XP. Edit: Just looked up dude's hangar. That's over $1000, easy. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jul 21, 2021 22:05:32 GMT -5
Edit: Just looked up dude's hangar. That's over $1000, easy. How much you figure this guy spent. Sorry, not usually into shaming, but I’ve never seen a SP this high.  Every mech is maxed, every weapon is R6.3 - R6.5. How do you even GET half this crap at only 49k XP?!  For all the good it did him.  |
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Post by Redfiend on Jul 21, 2021 22:23:36 GMT -5
Edit: Just looked up dude's hangar. That's over $1000, easy. How much you figure this guy spent. Sorry, not usually into shaming, but I’ve never seen a SP this high. Every mech is maxed, every weapon is R6.3 - R6.5. How do you even GET half this crap at only 49k XP?! For all the good it did him. $3k+ |
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Post by punishingcossack on Jul 22, 2021 3:14:43 GMT -5
How much you figure this guy spent. Sorry, not usually into shaming, but I’ve never seen a SP this high. Every mech is maxed, every weapon is R6.3 - R6.5. How do you even GET half this crap at only 49k XP?! For all the good it did him. $3k+ I'd say at least $5k, based on what I know of other ppl's spending, their SP, and how long they've been playing |
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Post by BigBear on Jul 22, 2021 4:07:56 GMT -5
And there is me debating with myself over spending 48 notes to get the Rail Gun sheeesssshhhhh
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Post by Redfiend on Jul 22, 2021 6:55:06 GMT -5
I'd say at least $5k, based on what I know of other ppl's spending, their SP, and how long they've been playing I forgot to factor in the extra for credits.Yea, with the credits it's over 6k |
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Post by Redfiend on Jul 22, 2021 6:56:19 GMT -5
And there is me debating with myself over spending 48 notes to get the Rail Gun sheeesssshhhhh They caught War Robots whales. Remember, the "top" War Robots players chuck that at War Robots every 3-5 months when a new p2w feature or mech comes out. |
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Post by BigBear on Jul 22, 2021 9:05:20 GMT -5
I wonder if Pixonic are going to feel a financial impact from this game in the coming months.In some ways I am glad they are attracting seasoned players but I do fear for the direction this game may take.
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