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Post by Redfiend on Jul 15, 2021 6:25:01 GMT -5
FYI since I dont run them I cant tell but the shield for Jugg and Ares the timer may have been flipped for each, anyone confirm? Was posted on discord. 「dookie」. Yea. Juggernaut has been nerfed. It's shield only stays up for 12 seconds, with it's cooldown unchanged at 10 seconds. Nowhere near as bad as Ares used to be. Ares used to have to wait 27 seconds between shields. Unless they changed it to where the shield timer doesn't get added on to the cooldown timer if it goes down early, Juggy now has 22 seconds in between shields, and it's shield can be waited out. The timer on Ares' shield has been removed. Honestly, that's fair. Juggernaut still has damn near 100K HP, and it's shield totally covers it, while Ares' HP is just under 90K and it's shield only protects one direction. |
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Post by OU812? on Jul 15, 2021 7:07:46 GMT -5
I leave for vacation at the start of next week. Gonna make acquiring that new bot interesting. 😱
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Post by Koalabear on Jul 15, 2021 7:26:41 GMT -5
So far, the changes aren't too bad. We have to fully max a mech to get the new EN ceiling. I guess I'll be maxing my Guardian first as that's the one using the RG16. I'm glad I didn't get the SB16 yet cause I'm gonna need all the credits I've saved so far.
Arachnos is achievable for free too, just gonna take some grinding. That's not too bad. Weekly challenges include 3 Vault tokens so that's not bad too. I'm gonna drop my cloned mechs from my active hangar and just start playing the mechs that will take me to global launch so that I evolve new tactics or relearn old ones.
Not sure I'm gonna like the Arachnos though. It's godawful slow. The slowest mech in the game by far.
Jugg nerf is fair. Those things at high level are a freaking pain in the butt. Whenever I ran mine, I'm always like: bwahhahaha, my shield down, no prob, let me hide and then boom instant HP regen! Now, it's gonna be more tactical and you would only activate it when you start taking heavy fire. Jugg's shield was what make it a better tank than the Ares. Now they're more on par with different ways to pilot.
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Well, jokes on me....here I thought I can just willy nilly level up my Guardian to get the 32EN...nope, I need to collect more blueprints first!! Grrr... Oh well, it's not like every mech suddenly got a huge HP buff or anything. Regular Thanos instead of Double Death still kills mechs.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 15, 2021 8:59:06 GMT -5
Here's what I'm gonna run first to test out new builds and get what I can out of my 2nds, while I can:
But there will be more changes to test builds... figure I can do that quicker with the copies... Guardian 2nd will rotate in after a few. Def going to be playing a bit after work, today.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 15, 2021 9:00:54 GMT -5
FYI since I dont run them I cant tell but the shield for Jugg and Ares the timer may have been flipped for each, anyone confirm? Was posted on discord. 「dookie」. Yea. Juggernaut has been nerfed. It's shield only stays up for 12 seconds, with it's cooldown unchanged at 10 seconds. Nowhere near as bad as Ares used to be. Ares used to have to wait 27 seconds between shields. Unless they changed it to where the shield timer doesn't get added on to the cooldown timer if it goes down early, Juggy now has 22 seconds in between shields, and it's shield can be waited out. The timer on Ares' shield has been removed. Honestly, that's fair. Juggernaut still has damn near 100K HP, and it's shield totally covers it, while Ares' HP is just under 90K and it's shield only protects one direction. Well... I guess it's good that I am one of the few that prefer Ares over Juggy... might just have to dump some more resources into it, after all. |
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Post by Koalabear on Jul 15, 2021 9:02:01 GMT -5
Oh, and the Skip feature for opening crates is MUCH appreciated! As well as the Open 10x option!
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 15, 2021 9:07:30 GMT -5
And anyone know what this is for? Better not be our compensation... for second copies anyway. If it's for downtime... cool.  |
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Post by Redfiend on Jul 15, 2021 9:11:59 GMT -5
Guys, if you haven't noticed yet, all of the mechs got a big HP increase starting at R6.
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Post by OU812? on Jul 15, 2021 9:20:41 GMT -5
And anyone know what this is for? Better not be our compensation... for second copies anyway. If it's for downtime... cool. Compensation for some server issues they recently had. I have to say I appreciate their thoughtfulness in this regard. Just imagine if Pixonic was so giving: compensation for lag, compensation for targeting, compensation for wonky ad implementation, compensation for MM, compensation for nerfing your hanger……… |
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Post by dukeofadvil on Jul 15, 2021 9:22:27 GMT -5
And anyone know what this is for? Better not be our compensation... for second copies anyway. If it's for downtime... cool. Game would not load right after the update first came out. Unplayable for an hour or more from what i hear |
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Post by Old-Cat on Jul 15, 2021 9:44:56 GMT -5
My Jug now has a shield that times out. What the? They have completely changed the mechanics. Boooooooooooooooooooo
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Post by Redfiend on Jul 15, 2021 9:45:28 GMT -5
They had to go back down for maintenence like 3 or 4 times. The 10k creds 100 coins and gold chest were just from that. It seems they just made that the standard for unscheduled server down time.
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Post by Redfiend on Jul 15, 2021 9:47:04 GMT -5
My Jug now has a shield that times out. What the? They have completely changed the mechanics. Boooooooooooooooooooo Ares shield is now permanent, and every mech has more HP from 6.1 and up. Let's be real, it never made sense for Jug to have the permanent shield when Ares' shield only protected it's front. Still a better cooldown than Ares had before the patch. |
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Post by BigBear on Jul 15, 2021 9:47:51 GMT -5
Not sure about CPC but in a Tournament game I just played I noticed that to stay in the team cost 1 ticket,so squadding will be costly now.
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Post by Old-Cat on Jul 15, 2021 9:54:48 GMT -5
My Jug now has a shield that times out. What the? They have completely changed the mechanics. Boooooooooooooooooooo Ares shield is now permanent, and every mech has more HP from 6.1 and up. Let's be real, it never made sense for Jug to have the permanent shield when Ares' shield only protected it's front. Still a better cooldown than Ares had before the patch. I got ya but I have put a massive amount of resources into the Jug not the Ares. Changing the mechanics drastically effects how/if one uses the mech. If it’s not a mistake, it’s a crappy move. |
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Post by Redfiend on Jul 15, 2021 9:57:03 GMT -5
Ares shield is now permanent, and every mech has more HP from 6.1 and up. Let's be real, it never made sense for Jug to have the permanent shield when Ares' shield only protected it's front. Still a better cooldown than Ares had before the patch. I got ya but I have put a massive amount of resources into the Jug not the Ares. Changing the mechanics drastically effects how/if one uses the mech. If it’s not a mistake, it’s a crappy move. It's not a mistake. The only real difference in Juggy play is that it isn't safe as often, and it can't just sit around with the shield on. It still has miles of base HP over Ares, and 360° protection. |
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Post by A.c.r.u.x. on Jul 15, 2021 10:13:49 GMT -5
Not sure about CPC but in a Tournament game I just played I noticed that to stay in the team cost 1 ticket,so squadding will be costly now. Tournament has always cost 1 ticket.. solo or team? ? ? ? |
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Post by Old-Cat on Jul 15, 2021 10:15:05 GMT -5
I got ya but I have put a massive amount of resources into the Jug not the Ares. Changing the mechanics drastically effects how/if one uses the mech. If it’s not a mistake, it’s a crappy move. It's not a mistake. The only real difference in Juggy play is that it isn't safe as often, and it can't just sit around with the shield on. It still has miles of base HP over Ares, and 360° protection. Yes sir, I understand what you are saying. It doesn’t change the fact that I 6 starred the mech. That was a considerable investment of both currencies and time in game. The mech will no longer plays like it did before the update( if it’s not a glitch). Truth be told I most likely would have gone a different route with those resources. |
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Post by Koalabear on Jul 15, 2021 10:15:39 GMT -5
Well, I screwed up...I must have gone into a haze....bought the SB16 and then just kept hitting the upgrade button until I ran out of credits...what was I thinking? That I could level it up right away?? Sheesh...forced me to mass open a bunch of gold and steel crates just so I had some credits showing.
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Post by Deadeye on Jul 15, 2021 10:18:32 GMT -5
It's not a mistake. The only real difference in Juggy play is that it isn't safe as often, and it can't just sit around with the shield on. It still has miles of base HP over Ares, and 360° protection. Yes sir, I understand what you are saying. It doesn’t change the fact that I 6 starred the mech. That was a considerable investment of both currencies and time in game. The mech will no longer plays like it did before the update( if it’s not a glitch). Truth be told I most likely would have gone a different route with those resources. That's completely fair IMO. The change may have been better for overall balance, but it doesn't take away from what you decided to put into it. I'm guessing though, that the mech is still very playable and just needs some minor tweeking on playstyle. Just a guess. Give it some time...and enjoy the extra EN you have on it! You should be able to do some serious damage with EN20. I'm loving my KS at 20. 2x Carb10s are fun! |
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Post by Deadeye on Jul 15, 2021 10:19:26 GMT -5
Well, I screwed up...I must have gone into a haze....bought the SB16 and then just kept hitting the upgrade button until I ran out of credits...what was I thinking? That I could level it up right away?? Sheesh...forced me to mass open a bunch of gold and steel crates just so I had some credits showing.  |
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Post by Old-Cat on Jul 15, 2021 10:21:05 GMT -5
Yes sir, I understand what you are saying. It doesn’t change the fact that I 6 starred the mech. That was a considerable investment of both currencies and time in game. The mech will no longer plays like it did before the update( if it’s not a glitch). Truth be told I most likely would have gone a different route with those resources. That's completely fair IMO. The change may have been better for overall balance, but it doesn't take away from what you decided to put into it. I'm guessing though, that the mech is still very playable and just needs some minor tweeking on playstyle. Just a guess. Give it some time...and enjoy the extra EN you have on it! You should be able to do some serious damage with EN20. I'm loving my KS at 20. 2x Carb10s are fun! I got ya. But the succcka is expensive to level. I know you have an Ares btw. The shame . The shame |
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Post by Redfiend on Jul 15, 2021 10:23:40 GMT -5
Not sure about CPC but in a Tournament game I just played I noticed that to stay in the team cost 1 ticket,so squadding will be costly now. Everyone was always charged a ticket to stay in team for tournament. When squadding up, everyone was always charged a ticket for entry, the match didn't start if someone didn't have any tickets. They added the ticket icon to the "stay in team" button with the last UI update. You probably only noticed it now because you were looking for changes. |
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Post by Deadeye on Jul 15, 2021 10:29:46 GMT -5
That's completely fair IMO. The change may have been better for overall balance, but it doesn't take away from what you decided to put into it. I'm guessing though, that the mech is still very playable and just needs some minor tweeking on playstyle. Just a guess. Give it some time...and enjoy the extra EN you have on it! You should be able to do some serious damage with EN20. I'm loving my KS at 20. 2x Carb10s are fun! I got ya. But the succcka is expensive to level. I know you have an Ares btw. The shame . The shame That Ares is in there because it's my next closest mech to be able to hang in my hanger. It's at 4.7 right now, so I can take it to R5 if I want, but I'm not sure I want to. I may decide to go a different route and I'll probably sit on that decision for a while. I may go with a Shadow for my 5th. I'm missing the speed of a 2nd KS (it's a forced thing as I'm trying to get used to no 2nd copies ahead of time). |
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Post by OU812? on Jul 15, 2021 10:35:01 GMT -5
Well, I screwed up...I must have gone into a haze....bought the SB16 and then just kept hitting the upgrade button until I ran out of credits...what was I thinking? That I could level it up right away?? Sheesh...forced me to mass open a bunch of gold and steel crates just so I had some credits showing. Been there, done that. 😬 I wish I could explain why I do that. I once cleared several hoarded gold chests for the tourney tickets forgetting you could only amass 12. I think I lost access to so many I was PO’d at myself for quite a while. |
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Post by Koalabear on Jul 15, 2021 10:40:14 GMT -5
On the topic of th eSB16, I just R5'd it and this is what I see:  Or is that what Equipment Limit Increase means? We don't get a duplicate anymore?? |
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Post by A.c.r.u.x. on Jul 15, 2021 10:51:54 GMT -5
On the topic of th eSB16, I just R5'd it and this is what I see: Or is that what Equipment Limit Increase means? We don't get a duplicate anymore?? IIRC that was their weird wording for second copy and that's the limit. |
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Post by Redfiend on Jul 15, 2021 10:54:30 GMT -5
On the topic of th eSB16, I just R5'd it and this is what I see: Or is that what Equipment Limit Increase means? We don't get a duplicate anymore?? Weapons still get second copies. Equip limit increase is just dumb phrasing. The R6 bonus for mechs actually lists the EN increase, and they don't seem to consider weapons "copies" so much as how many of them you can put in a hangar. |
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Post by Koalabear on Jul 15, 2021 11:01:41 GMT -5
Ok, thanks guys. Looks like my priorities for my credits and blueprints is to clone my SB16 and max my Panther and Guardian. I really want two 32EN mechs in my hangar as soon as possible. Everything else can be upgraded organically over time as they are fine the way they are. My next mech to max will likely be KS so that I can try running dual RM12 on it. Or, might put CB12 on it for a while, depending on my mood. Then Zephyr, and then finally Shadow cause it's fine the way it is right now.
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Post by Old-Cat on Jul 15, 2021 11:44:33 GMT -5
I got ya. But the succcka is expensive to level. I know you have an Ares btw. The shame . The shame That Ares is in there because it's my next closest mech to be able to hang in my hanger. It's at 4.7 right now, so I can take it to R5 if I want, but I'm not sure I want to. I may decide to go a different route and I'll probably sit on that decision for a while. I may go with a Shadow for my 5th. I'm missing the speed of a 2nd KS (it's a forced thing as I'm trying to get used to no 2nd copies ahead of time). Just messing with ya. I’ve gotten used to playing the Jug a certain way, particularly in CPC, it doesn’t seem like much of a change to those who don’t run it but assure you it’s a massive difference. Like I said , I don’t know I would have committed the amount of resources I did w these mechanics, mostly likely not. I have only run my seconds for tasks, so I’m prepared. |
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