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Post by linearblade on May 9, 2020 22:07:18 GMT -5
Let’s OBJECTIVELY discuss scorpion. 1)no flaming, whining crying 2)no pixonic fluffing / devils advocate etc. if you wish to less objectivity discuss it, let’s do it Here (at least till it’s locked). I want to focus on performance VS: 1) titans 2) current meta 3) fringe meta / post legacy 4) legacy With the following in mind: It’s weapon placements It’s damage resists It’s ability Speed / etc. I want to get a baseline where this bot is strong (even if it’s turns out to be overwhelmingly strong against everything), let’s just see. Feel free to be general or specific : I think the scorpian will crush leos. With damage resistance and built in and the ability to just teleport away, I’m not sure how it can effectively be countered with this bot. Or I think the scorpian will be of limited use vs ravana since the ravana can easily wait out the scorpians ability. Or In general the current meta excluding ravana is going to be crushed by the scorpian, cool down meta bots in general are going to be devastated, since meta bots can no longer wait out their cool downs by doing circles around obstacles wifh walk speeds far superior to non meta bots. FEEL FREE TO LEAVE LONGER POST. But let’s try keep it objective. |
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Post by fiannaidhe on May 9, 2020 22:20:59 GMT -5
Scorpion has a tiny buff on all desert maps, anyone else noticing this?
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Post by linearblade on May 9, 2020 22:22:33 GMT -5
Scorpion has a tiny buff on all desert maps, anyone else noticing this? No. What’s the buff? |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 22:23:48 GMT -5
Scorpion seems OP but it might have a potential counter in the Max Ao Ming. (j/k)
Personally, Scorpion seems to invalidate a fair chunk of my hangar and I'm not sure what to do about it yet.
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Post by fiannaidhe on May 9, 2020 22:23:50 GMT -5
Scorpion has a tiny buff on all desert maps, anyone else noticing this? No. What’s the buff? not sure, but it seems faster and i can kill things faster on dreadnaut than any map, either that or i had too much whiskey today |
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Post by RightOn on May 9, 2020 22:31:59 GMT -5
I watched manni's vid for less than a whole minute, if that says anything.
Emm, what can I say? The only way to kill this thing is DOT or Mitigation, which nobody has at spawn. So DOT it is.
Ironically Viper is going to take too long, so the best weapon against the 'Scorpion" is a stingy bee (sting/wasp), and that's entirely true in RL, the little flying 「fluffernutter」ers kill scorps.
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Post by linearblade on May 9, 2020 22:34:17 GMT -5
Scorpion seems OP but it might have a potential counter in the Max Ao Ming. (j/k) Personally, Scorpion seems to invalidate a fair chunk of my hangar and I'm not sure what to do about it yet. Actually it’s a valid point. It is in fact a likely valid counter. That’s how I want to approach this thread. The simpler the replies are. The easier it is to analyze objectively |
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Post by Desc440 on May 9, 2020 22:36:37 GMT -5
Letâs OBJECTIVELY discuss scorpion. 1)no flaming, whining crying 2)no pixonic fluffing / devils advocate etc. I want to focus on performance VS: 1) titans 2) current meta 3) fringe meta / post legacy 4) legacy With the following in mind: Itâs weapon placements Itâs damage resists Itâs ability Speed / etc. I want to get a baseline where this bot is strong (even if itâs turns out to be overwhelmingly strong against everything), letâs just see. Feel free to be general or specific : I think the scorpian will crush leos. With damage resistance and built in and the ability to just teleport away, Iâm not sure how it can effectively be countered with this bot. Or I think the scorpian will be of limited use vs ravana since the ravana can easily wait out the scorpians ability. Or In general the current meta excluding ravana is going to be crushed by the scorpian, cool down meta bots in general are going to be devastated, since meta bots can no longer wait out their cool downs by doing circles around obstacles wifh walk speeds far superior to non meta bots. FEEL FREE TO LEAVE LONGER POST. But letâs try keep it objective. I think your last comment is quite correct. This bot is going to be MURDER for Leeches and Ao Juns, and to a lesser degree, Phantoms. Good! 「fluffernutter」 those 「meow」 bots! The only thing that worries me about this bot is that 90% resists is a bit 「fluffernutter」ing nuts, but I've read on reddit that it actually only had 50% on the test server today. I think that's probably manageable. |
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Post by fiannaidhe on May 9, 2020 22:38:18 GMT -5
Letâ??s OBJECTIVELY discuss scorpion. 1)no flaming, whining crying 2)no pixonic fluffing / devils advocate etc. I want to focus on performance VS: 1) titans 2) current meta 3) fringe meta / post legacy 4) legacy With the following in mind: Itâ??s weapon placements Itâ??s damage resists Itâ??s ability Speed / etc. I want to get a baseline where this bot is strong (even if itâ??s turns out to be overwhelmingly strong against everything), letâ??s just see. Feel free to be general or specific : I think the scorpian will crush leos. With damage resistance and built in and the ability to just teleport away, Iâ??m not sure how it can effectively be countered with this bot. Or I think the scorpian will be of limited use vs ravana since the ravana can easily wait out the scorpians ability. Or In general the current meta excluding ravana is going to be crushed by the scorpian, cool down meta bots in general are going to be devastated, since meta bots can no longer wait out their cool downs by doing circles around obstacles wifh walk speeds far superior to non meta bots. FEEL FREE TO LEAVE LONGER POST. But letâ??s try keep it objective. I think your last comment is quite correct. This bot is going to be MURDER for Leeches and Ao Juns, and to a lesser degree, Phantoms. Good! ?fluffernutter? those ?meow? bots! The only thing that worries me about this bot is that 90% resists is a bit ?fluffernutter?ing nuts, but I've read on reddit that it actually only had 50% on the test server today. I think that's probably manageable. meow bots? @reroll did you do something wierd to the robots again? |
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Post by rags on May 9, 2020 22:40:01 GMT -5
Meta counter is ravana. Non meta 2 ways you can go
keep moving with faster bots. Itâs likely gonna target easier marks and if it does go after u, youâll be able to just run away and ignore them while they have DR then try to track them back to the blink point.
Alternatively, I heard abt a guy on TS running all behemoths just parked in spawn waiting for them to teleport so he could blast them with x4 maxed vipers or glories. Hilarious. So specifically kit out for them in something that can survive cryo weapons and wait.
Ao Jun and Leech are totally 「fluffernutter」ed.
My beef is I just donât dig this type of gameplay. Itâs beyond fast pace arcade style shooter now. Itâs not even a shooter. Itâs just a slop of abilities all being activated at the same time. Diablo Eternal will have less magic in it than this game.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on May 9, 2020 22:42:14 GMT -5
What's Scorp's built-in like? Any special effects?
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Post by Desc440 on May 9, 2020 22:43:38 GMT -5
I think your last comment is quite correct. This bot is going to be MURDER for Leeches and Ao Juns, and to a lesser degree, Phantoms. Good! ?fluffernutter? those ?meow? bots! The only thing that worries me about this bot is that 90% resists is a bit ?fluffernutter?ing nuts, but I've read on reddit that it actually only had 50% on the test server today. I think that's probably manageable. meow bots? @reroll did you do something wierd to the robots again? Meow = female cat/slang term for 「lady bits」 |
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Post by RightOn on May 9, 2020 22:43:55 GMT -5
What's Scorp's built-in like? Any special effects? the weapon is very mediocre, minor dot mostly just worried about 15s 90% DR and the whole not walking thing heh... walking robots |
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Post by RightOn on May 9, 2020 22:45:20 GMT -5
meow bots? @reroll did you do something wierd to the robots again? Meow = female cat/slang term for ?lady bits? in other words 「total babe」s |
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Post by fiannaidhe on May 9, 2020 22:45:21 GMT -5
meow bots? @reroll did you do something wierd to the robots again? Meow = female cat/slang term for ?lady bits? I KNOW i was just trying to be funny |
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Post by Desc440 on May 9, 2020 22:45:40 GMT -5
Meta counter is ravana. Non meta 2 ways you can go keep moving with faster bots. It’s likely gonna target easier marks and if it does go after u, you’ll be able to just run away and ignore them while they have DR then try to track them back to the blink point. Alternatively, I heard abt a guy on TS running all behemoths just parked in spawn waiting for them to teleport so he could blast them with x4 maxed vipers or glories. Hilarious. So specifically kit out for them in something that can survive cryo weapons and wait. Ao Jun and Leech are totally fkd. My beef is I just don’t dig this type of gameplay. It’s beyond fast pace arcade style shooter now. It’s not even a shooter. It’s just a slop of abilities all being activated at the same time. Diablo Eternal will have less magic in it than this game. In addition to speed, high durability will be of value as well. I suspect tanks will do ok. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 22:47:22 GMT -5
The only thing that worries me about this bot is that 90% resists is a bit ?fluffernutter?ing nuts, but I've read on reddit that it actually only had 50% on the test server today. I think that's probably manageable. That's a LOT better. With only 50% DR my Glacier Behemoth could still flatten it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 22:49:28 GMT -5
My first tactic to combat Scorpion is playing TDM.....I know they will be there, but beacon match’s will be horrible with them.
After that? I await the wisdom of forumers who are way more knowledgeable than I.......
Thanks for this thread!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 22:51:46 GMT -5
A max meta Leech can still Double Phase Shift Double Repulse and a Legendary Pilot Blitz might be able do it in triplicate or so.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on May 9, 2020 22:55:12 GMT -5
The only thing that worries me about this bot is that 90% resists is a bit ?fluffernutter?ing nuts, but I've read on reddit that it actually only had 50% on the test server today. I think that's probably manageable. That's a LOT better. With only 50% DR my Glacier Behemoth could still flatten it. My personal opinions is that high-mobility Bots like Scorpion and Phantom should NOT have high durability/defensive bonuses...they should be skill Bots relying of speed, tactical positioning, and timing to be maximally effective. Especially considering their Teleportation ability gives them a free bail out from a bad situation. Scorpion takes everything that makes Phantom Top Meta and amplifies it. Current counters are Bots with high durabity or abilities that allow them to escape the attack, but only Titans with high DM or high level DoT builds can really hurt Scorpion when it's active. Most Bots will have no cboice but to hope they survive, then hunt it down while it's vulnerable. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 22:56:52 GMT -5
Just remember...if the going gets tough, they just blink out, like phantom.....the big issue is realizing they are behind you quickly, and reacting without compromising your cover....and beacons? Forget about it....I see beacon matches becoming Scorpion Goldie Phantom territory
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Post by Shockwave on May 9, 2020 22:59:18 GMT -5
not sure, but it seems faster and i can kill things faster on dreadnaut than any map, either that or i had too much whiskey today Damn, you make it sound like Scorponox from Transformers Movie:  |
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Post by fiannaidhe on May 9, 2020 23:08:45 GMT -5
not sure, but it seems faster and i can kill things faster on dreadnaut than any map, either that or i had too much whiskey today Damn, you make it sound like Scorponox from Transformers Movie: i dont make it sound like that , its AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl on pix |
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Post by The VVatcher on May 9, 2020 23:11:23 GMT -5
I think we will transition to Ravana-Scorpion only meta. Ravana is a good counter to Scorpions. Scorpion will play the speedy role, able to teleport. These will be the only 2 bots you will need.
Leech and Jun will still be strong but redundant for your typical meta player who will look to cut the fat. Why have them if you have Ravana and Scorpion type deal.
Honestly if you want to stay on top of it, grab all the Ravana you can right now so they are in good levels by the time Scorpion drops.
JMO, errr prediction
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Post by Grrrega on May 9, 2020 23:18:33 GMT -5
My take:
1. This totally changes how the game is played. Especially DOM which is more like BR if people can teleport to you taking a lonely beacon.
2. It should not have DR at all.
3. Built in weapon looks meh.
4. Considering what it does 3 light weapons should be enough.
5.It looks like T-Falc is gonna be a great bot.
6. Long range builds are gonna be even more pointless.
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Post by linearblade on May 9, 2020 23:20:36 GMT -5
I think we will transition to Ravana-Scorpion only meta. Ravana is a good counter to Scorpions. Scorpion will play the speedy role, able to teleport. These will be the only 2 bots you will need. Leech and Jun will still be strong but redundant for your typical meta player who will look to cut the fat. Why have them if you have Ravana and Scorpion type deal. Honestly if you want to stay on top of it, grab all the Ravana you can right now so they are in good levels by the time Scorpion drops. JMO, errr prediction You forgot catfish bots Ie: raijin with 2 glories and death mark or 4x behemoths etc. |
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Post by linearblade on May 9, 2020 23:24:47 GMT -5
That's a LOT better. With only 50% DR my Glacier Behemoth could still flatten it. My personal opinions is that high-mobility Bots like Scorpion and Phantom should NOT have high durability/defensive bonuses...they should be skill Bots relying of speed, tactical positioning, and timing to be maximally effective. Especially considering their Teleportation ability gives them a free bail out from a bad situation. Scorpion takes everything that makes Phantom Top Meta and amplifies it. Current counters are Bots with high durabity or abilities that allow them to escape the attack, but only Titans with high DM or high level DoT builds can really hurt Scorpion when it's active. Most Bots will have no cboice but to hope they survive, then hunt it down while it's vulnerable. Hunting down a bot 500 meters away that likely walks faster than you seems problematic. |
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Post by The VVatcher on May 9, 2020 23:28:02 GMT -5
I think we will transition to Ravana-Scorpion only meta. Ravana is a good counter to Scorpions. Scorpion will play the speedy role, able to teleport. These will be the only 2 bots you will need. Leech and Jun will still be strong but redundant for your typical meta player who will look to cut the fat. Why have them if you have Ravana and Scorpion type deal. Honestly if you want to stay on top of it, grab all the Ravana you can right now so they are in good levels by the time Scorpion drops. JMO, errr prediction You forgot catfish bots Ie: raijin with 2 glories and death mark or 4x behemoths etc. Those are possible counter meta, but the meta players don’t do counter meta. They will come out in hordes of these things. It’s going to be the same style as the last couple of metas. Scorpion will segway for Ravana, take the beacon quickly and then overwhelm the area with Ravanas. |
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Post by Sebenza 21 on May 9, 2020 23:40:42 GMT -5
Be afraid of being alone. Be very afraid.
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Post by linearblade on May 9, 2020 23:44:35 GMT -5
You forgot catfish bots Ie: raijin with 2 glories and death mark or 4x behemoths etc. Those are possible counter meta, but the meta players don’t do counter meta. They will come out in hordes of these things. It’s going to be the same style as the last couple of metas. Scorpion will segway for Ravana, take the beacon quickly and then overwhelm the area with Ravanas. I fully agree:. It’s as useful as packing quantum radar against multiple Ao Jun |
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