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Post by lilryry on Feb 23, 2017 18:43:14 GMT -5
No, It is a failure of the system. Pix failed to account for the greedier side of human nature and selfish individuals. The players who tank are simply doing what is in their best interest. The burden is on Pix to learn how to design a system that has the right incentives to encourage players to play to the best of their ability, and the right punitive measures to discourage exploitation. Don't hate the player, hate the game ... designers ... I wasn't part of the Gepard club (don't even own one), and I don't tank (yet...) but I understand why players do and I don't blame them. At the moment I have a little over a 60% win rate but I rarely win AU. I capture beacons and kill enough bots to help secure the win but that is a fruitless tree. I see people exploiting the system and they are winning AU. Given the rules and system in place tanking seems to be a better strategy than playing with integrity. 100% agree with all of this, pix created a system that encourages tanking so people are taking advantage of it...blame pix for the current situation, not the tankers
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Post by SlowReflexes on Feb 23, 2017 18:51:02 GMT -5
I've been asking myself a question since my first days playing this game: Why doesn't Pixonic separate lvl 1-29 players from lvl 30 players? I mean... shouldn't lvl 30 players play among themselves? No matter what MM system you use, that should pretty much solve the clubbers problem, in my opinion. (Kindda off topic, sorry) Because the variation between level 30 players is so enormously huge as to make the whole thing meaningless. A new player can reach level 30 in a WEEK or two. From there you never advance any higher. Some people have been at level 30 literally for YEARS. As in yes, multiple years. So someone who has just reached level 30 is, frankly, a newbie and shouldn't be punished by being thrown in the deep end. The whole xp-based pilot level system is absolutely not calibrated for being used that way.
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Post by youngchen on Feb 23, 2017 19:32:44 GMT -5
I'd much prefer someone to just leave a match and harass others players than have 2-3 on the regular absolute losers you carry for and may get gold/more silver for your work. No problem with tankers, its same as clubbing, they stay out of the way. But you dumb people... running your snipers and weak hangers full of 5 shiny pieces of crap unfinanced with gold that I'm always making up slack for... I'm tired of you. Not the tankers. If they suck and you're carrying them (and all five of them have to suck and be carried for this to even apply), the MAX amount of gold they get is 3. You're getting 10 gold every game then. And your play cannot in any way shape or form have an effect on how much silver they make. That's strictly from the damage they do by pressing the red button. Personally, I love it when I can win with a crap team. That means easy 10 gold, and more silver for me because I get to do most of the damage. oh mannnn its hard to read sometimes huh? Strict definition is useless since everyone defines it differently, but if I'm the one keeping the team alive and covered, pushing back red, distracting etc. They got more time to "press the red button" therefore my efforts alone effect how long they live and therefore the potential for damage per bot. And what happens with those games you don't win? Doesn't just apply to an easy 10au when you grab 10 beacons and 800k damage but nobody else caps hm? Not sure what you're trying to point out other than manipulate my point? Anyways, feel free to respond, I won't run a longer argument, just making sure you know you aren't really making any good points there champ.
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Post by mijapi300 on Feb 23, 2017 20:02:42 GMT -5
If they suck and you're carrying them (and all five of them have to suck and be carried for this to even apply), the MAX amount of gold they get is 3. You're getting 10 gold every game then. And your play cannot in any way shape or form have an effect on how much silver they make. That's strictly from the damage they do by pressing the red button. Personally, I love it when I can win with a crap team. That means easy 10 gold, and more silver for me because I get to do most of the damage. oh mannnn its hard to read sometimes huh? Strict definition is useless since everyone defines it differently, but if I'm the one keeping the team alive and covered, pushing back red, distracting etc. They got more time to "press the red button" therefore my efforts alone effect how long they live and therefore the potential for damage per bot. And what happens with those games you don't win? Doesn't just apply to an easy 10au when you grab 10 beacons and 800k damage but nobody else caps hm? Not sure what you're trying to point out other than manipulate my point? Anyways, feel free to respond, I won't run a longer argument, just making sure you know you aren't really making any good points there champ. You're contradicting yourself. If your teammates suck so much you have to carry them, how are they even in contention to do more damage than you? Or do you mean that because they don't knife fight and cap like you do, you consider them worthless. If they are doing enough damage to compete for MoD on a win, then they are contributing to that win. You can't have six cappers on every team. Heavy damage support is extremely useful if you actually pay attention and use it. If, however, they suck and aren't contributing like you said before, then you shouldn't have any problems getting top damage and caps. Whether or not you win the game is a moot point. You said yourself that you're able to win games still. You can't win every game you play. So I really don't understand what you're complaining about, based on the words you've spewed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 21:28:47 GMT -5
Pixonic, in my opinion, are the dishonorable ones who made the game so stupid expensive that you have to do what you must to buy what you need to be competitive. If you spent $100 for 14,00Au in the beginning it still wouldn't buy you everything you needed. This game, if you allow it, is more expensive than COD or Battlefield.
Matchmaker is flawed, heavily flawed. The old version of MM was so much better. Did people cheat by seal clubbing? Yes, but for the ones who didn't seal club it was a lot more enjoyable playing with people of a similar skill level. Pixonic were the ones who allowed people of a higher skill to go backwards instead of progressing then punished everyone cause some people "cheated." They ruined the game and keep doing things that further ruin the game. Shame on Pixonic, not the players.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Feb 23, 2017 21:46:16 GMT -5
Yup, but then again, tanking is a special case as it is not playing normally in the game. Which is why I want the opinion of everyone on the forum rather than just deciding it with my fellows. The intention if this thread is to find the pulse of the community on a specific subject. It is NOT here for anybody to attempt to convince anybody else of anything. Share your opinion if you haven't already, and make all the wall-o-text points you want. But now that you've made your points, you can move on. So knock it the hell off, you lot.
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Post by launchpad on Feb 23, 2017 23:04:00 GMT -5
Its interesting that a few months ago, when we asked why max level 12's are in low matches 4/6 level we are told to play in lower levels. I guess the question now is what has changed other than doing nothing about max 12 in low level matches? Sounds like to me they have told us to tank, lol. Evidently, the forum "opinion" like this poll "can" be used to influence future developers policy. To gain "the upper hand" when making "suggestion". Lol
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 24, 2017 1:03:44 GMT -5
A simple look up in a dictionary: Cheat
verb (used with object) 1. to defraud; swindle: He cheated her out of her inheritance. 2. to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero. 3. to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide. verb (used without object) 4. to practice fraud or deceit: She cheats without regrets. 5. to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards. 6. to take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers.
7. Informal. to be sexually unfaithful (often followed by on): Her husband knew she had been cheating all along. He cheated on his wife. noun 8. a person who acts dishonestly, deceives, or defrauds: He is a cheat and a liar. 9. a fraud; swindle; deception: The game was a cheat. 10. Law. the fraudulent obtaining of another's property by a pretense or trick.
11. an impostor: The man who passed as an earl was a cheat.So going by the dictonary meaning of cheat, tanking is cheating. It's a exploitation of the rules. Cheating would be breaking the rules or laws. Not that I we a big difference in this case
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Post by arakos on Feb 24, 2017 2:31:21 GMT -5
Thank you very much mijapy300 and SlowReflexes for your replies!
Let me summarize your thoughts, if I understood right:
1. IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR FOR EARLY LVL 30 PLAYERS TO BE STUCK FACING TT OPONENTS.
I agree, but don't think that would happen if lvl 30 players would have to fight among themselves. There are a huge number of them and I bet where are many of them in all leagues, including bronze! So most of them wouldn't fight against TT oponents, they would fight lvl 30 players with similar PS or hangar wheight (new/old MM).
2. PLAYER LEVEL ISN'T THE BEST WAY TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN NEWBIES AND PROS.
Ok. You guys caught me there: I didn't have to think that much to realize you are right. As SlowReflexes points out, xp-based system is not calibrated for being used this way.
Would you think it would be fair if Pixonic uses "games played" (as mijapy300 proposes), or maybe "games won" (1000+ ?) so that newbie players don't face clubbers?
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Feb 24, 2017 5:11:02 GMT -5
Would you think it would be fair if Pixonic uses "games played" (as mijapy300 proposes), or maybe "games won" (1000+ ?) so that newbie players don't face clubbers? See Also: Most common definition of "smurfing" in competitive gamimg; starting a new account and pretending you are new in order to thrash lowest ranked players. Admittedly this wouldn't be very much fun in War Robots because it does take some time to gain access to all desired equipment. I had plenty of time to get the right equipment to gold-farm long before I had 1000 victories. The sad fact is that it doesn't matter what metric you pick, the trap is in picking just a few, or even a single metric to go by. I wish Pixonic would steal some of the lessons learned by the Overwatch developers. Their Elo inspired "skill rating" matchmaking system uses 8 different performance metrics for comparison. I don't see anywhere near as much of the yo-yo effects so common to War Robots lately. I still lose more than my fair share of matches in OW thanks to idiot team mates that don't understand "GET ON THE POINT!" Sound familiar? The other observational factoid would be that maybe Pixonic is in over their heads, bitten off more than they can chew, etc. They made the new system, but when it went live it overwhelmed their servers and they had to stop the flood by shutting it down. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 24, 2017 7:37:27 GMT -5
I've been asking myself a question since my first days playing this game: Why doesn't Pixonic separate lvl 1-29 players from lvl 30 players? I mean... shouldn't lvl 30 players play among themselves? No matter what MM system you use, that should pretty much solve the clubbers problem, in my opinion. (Kindda off topic, sorry) Because the variation between level 30 players is so enormously huge as to make the whole thing meaningless. A new player can reach level 30 in a WEEK or two. From there you never advance any higher. Some people have been at level 30 literally for YEARS. As in yes, multiple years. So someone who has just reached level 30 is, frankly, a newbie and shouldn't be punished by being thrown in the deep end. The whole xp-based pilot level system is absolutely not calibrated for being used that way. they should add higher upgrade levels.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Feb 24, 2017 8:07:53 GMT -5
Your cheatin' heart Will make you weep You'll cry and cry And try to sleep But sleep won't come The whole night through Your cheatin' heart Will tell on you
When tears come down Like falling rain You'll toss around And call my name You'll walk the floor The way I do Your cheatin' heart Will tell on you
Your cheatin' heart Will pine some day And crave the love You threw away The time will come When you'll be blue Your cheatin' heart Will tell on you
When tears come down Like falling rain You'll toss around And call my name You'll walk the floor The way I do Your cheatin' heart Will tell on you
Songwriters: HANK WILLIAMS, SR.
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Post by poisonelf on Feb 24, 2017 9:36:25 GMT -5
I think after a full day of playing yesterday, I think tanking is by far a minor infraction in comparison to the upper end of the total disaster mm. Max level Seal Clubbers is the worse injustice to this game. In my 9 and lower bots I did not have a single equal level fair match. I had even a level 2 guy in one match to even stack the odds more for the ENTIRE max level 12 team against us. Even sent in pictures of all level 6 and under on my team in a match against a few max 12 and other top levels.
The people thinking that these seal clubbers that farmed low levels or bought their hangers, for some reason deserve stacked matches like this to get gold from all lower level players who do NOT have everything in their hanger max, can go call tanking all day long over this in my opinion.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 24, 2017 9:42:01 GMT -5
I think after a full day of playing yesterday, I think tanking is by far a minor infraction in comparison to the upper end of the total disaster mm. Max level Seal Clubbers is the worse injustice to this game. In my 9 and lower bots I did not have a single equal level fair match. I had even a level 2 guy in one match to even stack the odds more for the ENTIRE max level 12 team against us. Even sent in pictures of all level 6 and under on my team in a match against a few max 12 and other top levels. The people thinking that these seal clubbers that farmed low levels or bought their hangers, for some reason deserve stacked matches like this to get gold from all lower level players who do NOT have everything in their hanger max, can go call tanking all day long over this in my opinion. And how, do ya think, did the 12s get to that point of facing y'all? I'd guess.... tanking. But, that's just a guess... maybe there's another way...
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Post by shaolinrogue on Feb 24, 2017 10:35:59 GMT -5
I recently needed to drop to lower levels of competition for a tutorial series I was working on. For whatever reason you may have to go back down the ladder, it is possible to do so without destroying an entire match for 11 other people. Instead of standing around with your spark plug up your tailpipe in an end game meta bot, hop in a silver grade level 1 bot, throw on some level 1-5 weapons and put in as much effort to win as you normally would. This will keep the integrity of the match intact while putting a hard cap on the amount of damage you can deal (I'm thinking molot/punisher Vityaz & golem here). Maybe you would have a good time beacon capping in a Cossack leaving the damage to your teammates. There are ways to drop the level of competition you are faced with, without resulting to being completely useless or being an untouchable beacon god in your Ancilot vs. destriers and Cossacks. Take the opportunity to demonstrate to new players the difference skill alone can make in the game. I really did have a lot of fun piloting some of my old favorites again and I don't think it would have been nearly as enjoyable to god mode stomp all over newbies. Getting back up the ladder to where I belong is another matter and I feel the need to apologize to those that were mauled by me on my way back up. Many robots were killed and or injured in the making of this tutorial series Just my 2 cents from my recent experience. Good hunting out there pilots!
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 24, 2017 11:07:20 GMT -5
I think after a full day of playing yesterday, I think tanking is by far a minor infraction in comparison to the upper end of the total disaster mm. Max level Seal Clubbers is the worse injustice to this game. In my 9 and lower bots I did not have a single equal level fair match. I had even a level 2 guy in one match to even stack the odds more for the ENTIRE max level 12 team against us. Even sent in pictures of all level 6 and under on my team in a match against a few max 12 and other top levels. The people thinking that these seal clubbers that farmed low levels or bought their hangers, for some reason deserve stacked matches like this to get gold from all lower level players who do NOT have everything in their hanger max, can go call tanking all day long over this in my opinion. And how, do ya think, did the 12s get to that point of facing y'all? I'd guess.... tanking. But, that's just a guess... maybe there's another way... Attachment Deleted
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Post by porcupyne on Feb 24, 2017 11:20:20 GMT -5
Looks like it's no longer a problem. I tried cooling off my average after a couple of out of the blue 1 million+ wins (my usual average is 300-500K or so). Stalker capped until I was 200K but everyone on the table was always 600-800K average. I played for a few days and nothing changed. So I beacon capped all the way back down to 100K but still nothing but 600-800K players on both sides every game. Either they're locking tankers to their highest score so they can only go up, never down, but it also might be a glitch from the botched update. I got this when I mewled to tech support about my butt hurt. We are actively working on fixing any issues the update had caused. Please expect the situation to be sorted in a matter of days! We thank you for your patience.
They're fixing it?
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 24, 2017 12:12:19 GMT -5
I recently needed to drop to lower levels of competition for a tutorial series I was working on. For whatever reason you may have to go back down the ladder, it is possible to do so without destroying an entire match for 11 other people. Instead of standing around with your spark plug up your tailpipe in an end game meta bot, hop in a silver grade level 1 bot, throw on some level 1-5 weapons and put in as much effort to win as you normally would. This will keep the integrity of the match intact while putting a hard cap on the amount of damage you can deal (I'm thinking molot/punisher Vityaz & golem here). Maybe you would have a good time beacon capping in a Cossack leaving the damage to your teammates. There are ways to drop the level of competition you are faced with, without resulting to being completely useless or being an untouchable beacon god in your Ancilot vs. destriers and Cossacks. Take the opportunity to demonstrate to new players the difference skill alone can make in the game. I really did have a lot of fun piloting some of my old favorites again and I don't think it would have been nearly as enjoyable to god mode stomp all over newbies. Getting back up the ladder to where I belong is another matter and I feel the need to apologize to those that were mauled by me on my way back up. Many robots were killed and or injured in the making of this tutorial series Just my 2 cents from my recent experience. Good hunting out there pilots! You guys are trying to justify tanking. Putting in weaker bots is still tanking. The MM builds squads based on your current rating (that you assumably got with your best bot lineup). If the MM slots you into blue as the highest rated on the whole squad, but you decide to play in some lvl 4 medium bots, you just doomed your whole squad. If you are going to tank, do it correctly. New Seal Clubbers Guide
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 24, 2017 12:37:22 GMT -5
Pixonic, in my opinion, are the dishonorable ones who made the game so stupid expensive that you have to do what you must to buy what you need to be competitive. If you spent $100 for 14,00Au in the beginning it still wouldn't buy you everything you needed. This game, if you allow it, is more expensive than COD or Battlefield. Matchmaker is flawed, heavily flawed. The old version of MM was so much better. Did people cheat by seal clubbing? Yes, but for the ones who didn't seal club it was a lot more enjoyable playing with people of a similar skill level. Pixonic were the ones who allowed people of a higher skill to go backwards instead of progressing then punished everyone cause some people "cheated." They ruined the game and keep doing things that further ruin the game. Shame on Pixonic, not the players. It's strange how some people have a very different experience. I love the new MM, its throwing up evenly matched games with same skill players. I found the old MM didnt match player skill at all. The new MM has forced me to develop my play a lot. Used to be at 80-90% using schultz Thunder or Boa brickfighting or a few gephards thrown in. I used to win but on reflection itbwas very repetative. Since the MM I've dropped to around 40-50% and been trying to find a hanger I Iike. My gold collection has dropped like a stone. I've been underpowered and still am as Ive settled on a mix of lights and Meds with a Lancelot thrown in - all at 8/8 - regularly see 10/10 bots. The past week Ive started to see the fruits of my efforts. Up to 60-70% and having some great matches. Not sure why so different for alot of folks.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 24, 2017 12:38:32 GMT -5
@ porcupyne, I think after the destruction leveled by certain segments of the player base you can probably safely assume that you are seeing Pix lock up the downward nosediving...Not a bug.
The game wreckers dared Pix to do something to stop them, and now they seem to be doing just that.
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Post by 6pack on Feb 24, 2017 13:18:22 GMT -5
That’s easy. The rational is so that the “No, but dishonorable” can be counted with the “yes” votes and support the “Change in forum policy on tanking” that they want. Yes, they could simply impose their will but that wouldn’t look good. As for my vote, it’s a straight up No. It’s not cheating and it’s not dishonorable. If it was really a problem as supposedly Pix has commented, they would fix it pretty quick. Look at the Pin issue. Fixed in very short order. As for dishonorable, this is on Pix. Few people want to play against hangars 3+ levels over theirs so if there is a method to lower their rank to play better matched hangars and which doesn’t break any rules, then more power to them. I do find it rather humorous that when the new MM rolled out and people were getting slaughtered game after game and it was affecting their game enjoyment, they were told to “Suck it up buttercup, it will get better” but now that their game time is being affected, now its dishonorable, immoral, cheating, etc. Actually, the reason why was because I wanted this post to accurately reflect the opinions of the forum. That, plus a number of people saying that while they did not think tanking was cheating but that it was a ?wee-wee? move was what incentivized me to put that option on the poll. Quite frankly, if I really wanted to ban discussions of tanking no matter what, then I would've conversed with my peers and done it already, we don't have to care about you guys' opinions. And in addition to that, I would've tried to influence the results however I could, meaning that I would not be taking a neutral stance currently. So how about this, why don't you stop this idiotic "literally oppression" fantasy you're having and stay on topic. Ruffled some feathers I see. “Literally Oppression Fantasy”? Come on man, you know this is a Pro-Pix board and it likes to cool down any negative threads about them. You’ve done such a good job, the board is now in the game as a link. Be proud of your accomplishment. As for my post, I made a single line comment as a response to someone that I thought was funny (Yeah, I have a warped sense of humor). The rest of my post was on topic. So now I’ve given you the ammo and you can swing your “Head Administrator” axe and ban me for being disruptive. That is what you call any feedback you don’t agree with right? Don’t worry, your fan boy club will thank you as well.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Feb 24, 2017 13:42:12 GMT -5
So now I’ve given you the ammo and you can swing your “Head Administrator” axe and ban me for being disruptive. That is what you call any feedback you don’t agree with right? Don’t worry, your fan boy club will thank you as well. Troll Stage 3: I disagree with you, because you are a closet fascist, so I will bait the moderators into banning me so I can convince the general public that I am a martyr deserving of worship for proving how corrupted the establishment is. I think your soul was re-born from the McCarthy era. Do you have the occasional strange urge to spy on your neighbors to make sure they are pure and innocent? Regardless, grow the ?firetruck? up, your attempts to start flame wars are obvious. Full disclosure: "Warning Level: 15%" listed on my forum profile, for making borderline personal attacks in a thread including use of vulgarity and bypassing censorship, from about 3 months ago. I agree, you should have been banned already, but that's part of why I'm not a moderator, I'm too heavy handed and would IP-ban you.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 24, 2017 14:07:22 GMT -5
It really is ridiculous. The pro-tankers that are constantly trying to twist everything into a question of liberty are a joke. Seriously... The tankers are making a bad situation, worse. Blame it on Pix, blame it on the forum, blame it on edward snowden for all I care. It doesn't matter. Tanking ruins other people's games to provide an unfair advantage for a single person on the way back up. Many of us here at the forums, do not like the effects it has on our games. We would like to see it NOT treated as acceptable. It is bad sportsmanship. Argue ethics all you want. Claim we're brown nosers... even though we criticize Pix. Twist it any way you want... the fact remains that we don't want it here. This is a board meant to enhance the skills and knowledge of the game. NOT teach how to game the system as appropriate behavior. Personally, I am about ready to quit posting here, if it is continued to be tolerable. Guess what, that means the tankers will have won another victory. Maybe that is what it will take to get the forum to stop allowing it: all of us who don't like it, leaving. And it's not even in anger... but why would I choose to be a part of something that I don't agree with? Then again, maybe not. It can become a cheats only board with hacks and all. Linked to by the game itself! Perfect. Blastronaut could blast off from Launchpad's lap in glee, then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 14:15:43 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48, I know I am here a lot less since the threads started to be more about tanking/MM/whining, and less about tactics, bot setups, and some light hearted jabs at Ecu Natashas... (Not saying that less of me is a bad thing for the board, mind you)
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 24, 2017 14:41:47 GMT -5
It really is ridiculous. The pro-tankers that are constantly trying to twist everything into a question of liberty are a joke. Seriously... The tankers are making a bad situation, worse. Blame it on Pix, blame it on the forum, blame it on edward snowden for all I care. It doesn't matter. Tanking ruins other people's games to provide an unfair advantage for a single person on the way back up. Many of us here at the forums, do not like the effects it has on our games. We would like to see it NOT treated as acceptable. It is bad sportsmanship. Argue ethics all you want. Claim we're brown nosers... even though we criticize Pix. Twist it any way you want... the fact remains that we don't want it here. This is a board meant to enhance the skills and knowledge of the game. NOT teach how to game the system as appropriate behavior. Personally, I am about ready to quit posting here, if it is continued to be tolerable. Guess what, that means the tankers will have won another victory. Maybe that is what it will take to get the forum to stop allowing it: all of us who don't like it, leaving. And it's not even in anger... but why would I choose to be a part of something that I don't agree with? Then again, maybe not. It can become a cheats only board with hacks and all. Linked to by the game itself! Perfect. Blastronaut could blast off from Launchpad's lap in glee, then. couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 24, 2017 15:12:02 GMT -5
It really is ridiculous. The pro-tankers that are constantly trying to twist everything into a question of liberty are a joke. Seriously... The tankers are making a bad situation, worse. Blame it on Pix, blame it on the forum, blame it on edward snowden for all I care. It doesn't matter. Tanking ruins other people's games to provide an unfair advantage for a single person on the way back up. Many of us here at the forums, do not like the effects it has on our games. We would like to see it NOT treated as acceptable. It is bad sportsmanship. Argue ethics all you want. Claim we're brown nosers... even though we criticize Pix. Twist it any way you want... the fact remains that we don't want it here. This is a board meant to enhance the skills and knowledge of the game. NOT teach how to game the system as appropriate behavior. Personally, I am about ready to quit posting here, if it is continued to be tolerable. Guess what, that means the tankers will have won another victory. Maybe that is what it will take to get the forum to stop allowing it: all of us who don't like it, leaving. And it's not even in anger... but why would I choose to be a part of something that I don't agree with? Then again, maybe not. It can become a cheats only board with hacks and all. Linked to by the game itself! Perfect. Blastronaut could blast off from Launchpad's lap in glee, then. This is ???C??ELDE?? and I approve this message! **Pressing jump button to dodge Aphid like Bean Hammers**
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Post by Giant's Toe on Feb 24, 2017 15:18:31 GMT -5
It is not cheating. Its part of the game. If pix is not doing anything about it then its legit. Pix developers are not dumb, i think its a loop hole for us non paying players to compete with paying players boasting better gear.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 15:19:32 GMT -5
Using light bots is cheating now. Give me a break. This is old. Sometimes I run all light bots. No significant damage. Yet still win. Get over your selves please. You anti tankers are just mad cause you were seal slappers and can't compete at the levels you were competing. Hence MM is fixed. And I'm happy with it.
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Post by arakos on Feb 24, 2017 15:38:37 GMT -5
Would you think it would be fair if Pixonic uses "games played" (as mijapy300 proposes), or maybe "games won" (1000+ ?) so that newbie players don't face clubbers? See Also: Most common definition of "smurfing" in competitive gamimg; starting a new account and pretending you are new in order to thrash lowest ranked players. Admittedly this wouldn't be very much fun in War Robots because it does take some time to gain access to all desired equipment. I had plenty of time to get the right equipment to gold-farm long before I had 1000 victories. The sad fact is that it doesn't matter what metric you pick, the trap is in picking just a few, or even a single metric to go by. I wish Pixonic would steal some of the lessons learned by the Overwatch developers. Their Elo inspired "skill rating" matchmaking system uses 8 different performance metrics for comparison. I don't see anywhere near as much of the yo-yo effects so common to War Robots lately. I still lose more than my fair share of matches in OW thanks to idiot team mates that don't understand "GET ON THE POINT!" Sound familiar? The other observational factoid would be that maybe Pixonic is in over their heads, bitten off more than they can chew, etc. They made the new system, but when it went live it overwhelmed their servers and they had to stop the flood by shutting it down. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence. "Starting a new account and pretending you are new in order to trash lowest ranked players"!?! I am starting to loose my faith in humanity...
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 24, 2017 15:45:01 GMT -5
If this game had team killing and there were guides on here explaining how to use TK'ing to loose the most amount of games in the shortest period of time so you could lower your stats to feed on new players...Would it even be on this forum?
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