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Post by launchpad on Feb 22, 2017 23:03:19 GMT -5
Yup, but then again, tanking is a special case as it is not playing normally in the game. Which is why I want the opinion of everyone on the forum rather than just deciding it with my fellows. Totally disinterested neutral grey-walker here... Surely the admin that started such a thread fully realized he would be creating a firestorm of opinion sharing. 10 Pages as I clicked the reply button this time. But what I'd really like to say is the rest of you keep getting off topic. The intention if this thread is to find the pulse of the community on a specific subject. It is NOT here for anybody to attempt to convince anybody else of anything. Share your opinion if you haven't already, and make all the wall-o-text points you want. But take your petty posturing and forum-warrior-ing (ironic, yes) and logical fallicies and general 「bum-bum chapeau」tery, and shove it up your waste orifice, preferably sideways, via another thread. Now please move the flying hell along and leggo some ego. I've already said my peace. On.Lol. The choice given with two NO itself is an attempt to convince a point, in case you missed it. And don't tell me that you were too ignorant regarding the conclusion of the said discussion can be used for what purpose. Lol
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Post by launchpad on Feb 22, 2017 23:06:10 GMT -5
Strayed Quick question, is it considered cheating to make 20 forum accounts just to vote that Tanking is not cheating? No, but it would be DISHONORABLE act Bahahahahhahahha........
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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 22, 2017 23:08:14 GMT -5
Oh, moderator eh? Very nice. And how'd you get that, eh? By exploiting the posters. By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. Please, please, good people, I am in haste. Is or is not tanking cheating? Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being repressed! I'm pretty sure I've seen this before somewhere...
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Feb 22, 2017 23:17:35 GMT -5
You are one of my points. Thanks for the win. Please move on. See also: Beyond a certain point, I become immune to troll bait. Have a nice day!
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Post by launchpad on Feb 22, 2017 23:19:22 GMT -5
Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being repressed! I'm pretty sure I've seen this before somewhere... By editing my post you have done a DISHONORABLE act.... Hahahaha.....
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Post by launchpad on Feb 22, 2017 23:21:08 GMT -5
You are one of my points. Thanks for the win. Please move on. What win?
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Post by Strayed on Feb 22, 2017 23:39:19 GMT -5
Strayed Quick question, is it considered cheating to make 20 forum accounts just to vote that Tanking is not cheating? I can see your ip address you know, lol.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 22, 2017 23:42:41 GMT -5
Strayed Quick question, is it considered cheating to make 20 forum accounts just to vote that Tanking is not cheating? No, but it would be DISHONORABLE act Bahahahahhahahha........ Dishonorabru dispray, yuo bling shamu up on famiry.
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Post by launchpad on Feb 23, 2017 0:49:22 GMT -5
Strayed Quick question, is it considered cheating to make 20 forum accounts just to vote that Tanking is not cheating? I can see your ip address you know, lol. See.... don't mess with the king dude... Lol
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Post by launchpad on Feb 23, 2017 0:50:22 GMT -5
No, but it would be DISHONORABLE act Bahahahahhahahha........ Dishonorabru dispray, yuo bling shamu up on famiry. Not bling, buringu. Try better joke next time, noob. Hahahhahaha.....
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Post by Paps on Feb 23, 2017 0:57:50 GMT -5
launchpadEvery time I see your user name in one of your posts, I think of this guy:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 1:00:48 GMT -5
A simple look up in a dictionary:
Cheat
verb (used with object) 1. to defraud; swindle: He cheated her out of her inheritance. 2. to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero. 3. to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide. verb (used without object) 4. to practice fraud or deceit: She cheats without regrets. 5. to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards. 6. to take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers.
7. Informal. to be sexually unfaithful (often followed by on): Her husband knew she had been cheating all along. He cheated on his wife. noun 8. a person who acts dishonestly, deceives, or defrauds: He is a cheat and a liar. 9. a fraud; swindle; deception: The game was a cheat. 10. Law. the fraudulent obtaining of another's property by a pretense or trick.
11. an impostor: The man who passed as an earl was a cheat.
So going by the dictonary meaning of cheat, tanking is cheating.
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Post by head0nfire on Feb 23, 2017 2:15:52 GMT -5
I abhor people who drop out of a game to adjust their own score, but I find myself giving up on games all the time simply because I get stuck with teams that apparently don't know what beacons are.
I haven't been playing War Robots for long and I barely understand how the "match" maker works, but every game I'm in seems one sided in one direction or the other. Half the games I'm in end in my team being completely crushed and me being top in both damage and beacons. The other half end in my team winning with me in last or 2nd to last place and winning no gold. I suspect that this "tanking" business has a lot to do with that, but I don't know enough about it to say for sure.
Either way, F#@$ the system and I'm gonna do whatever I want. I wish it was different
Now, having said all that, they really can't start penalizing players for leaving games. There are all kinds of RL related reasons that someone might not be able to finish a game, and no cell phone game should be taken so seriously as to prioritize over actual events taking place around you
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Post by launchpad on Feb 23, 2017 2:33:32 GMT -5
A simple look up in a dictionary: Cheat
verb (used with object) 1. to defraud; swindle: He cheated her out of her inheritance. 2. to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero. 3. to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide. verb (used without object) 4. to practice fraud or deceit: She cheats without regrets. 5. to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards. 6. to take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers.
7. Informal. to be sexually unfaithful (often followed by on): Her husband knew she had been cheating all along. He cheated on his wife. noun 8. a person who acts dishonestly, deceives, or defrauds: He is a cheat and a liar. 9. a fraud; swindle; deception: The game was a cheat. 10. Law. the fraudulent obtaining of another's property by a pretense or trick.
11. an impostor: The man who passed as an earl was a cheat.So going by the dictonary meaning of cheat, tanking is cheating. Which one?
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Post by launchpad on Feb 23, 2017 2:35:13 GMT -5
launchpadEvery time I see your user name in one of your posts, I think of this guy: Lol... the clumsy pilot. I do prefer don rosa's stories rather than ducktales..
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Post by salty af on Feb 23, 2017 2:51:54 GMT -5
No, but it would be DISHONORABLE act Bahahahahhahahha........ Dishonorabru dispray, yuo bling shamu up on famiry. Shaemu! Shaemu! DISSAPRIN
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 23, 2017 7:32:17 GMT -5
I think it depends on your motive. If your phone dies or your mom makes you get off, I dont mind that much, more damage that i can do. But if you are ding it just to seal club, you really need to get some morale true
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Post by launchpad on Feb 23, 2017 8:06:41 GMT -5
I think that some of you guys are using the wrong definition of tanking. Smurfing is not playing at your best. Tanking is popping into a match, maybe doing a few seconds worth of damage or capping a beacon to make sure you aren't replaced, and then intentionally quitting the match or going afk so that your team is a man down and they lose the match. how to proof or judge or determine the intention. In an internet games nevertheless. You never know what happened on the other side of a mobile phone or pc or tablet.
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Post by stygianumbra on Feb 23, 2017 8:09:53 GMT -5
If you call tanking cheating, everyone who said using gepards to farm newbies pre changes was NOT cheating need to eat their words. As everyone at that point surely pointed out, no such rule exists therefore it cannot be considered cheating. Plenty of people considered that cheating. Plenty of old threads about it if you search. I know I started one on the old forums, some of the mods here disagree it was cheating. I said it was cheating.
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Feb 23, 2017 13:16:14 GMT -5
It's not cheating, it's extremely annoying, but everyone is a huge vag. A huge vag if you can't stand the competition so you purposely lower the competition. A huge vag if you can't handle a few games here and there that someone really sucks, bails, or purposely sucks. Personally, I feel like a piece of ?poo-poo? if I play off my cell service connection and it disconnects. However, just by looking at the stats after a match, you should never assume what happened on the other end. I posted that video of a match a week or two ago where I had just under 3k damage and no beacons. Now, what was everything thinking on the other end? I'm sure they were making assumptions as much as I am assuming they were pissed. Little do they know that the whole time I was spending, alone, trying to get the damn beacons that they weren't even glancing at. People find something to complain about no matter what is going on, it is what people do. Oh, and eventually you're going to see more and more people likely getting bored with the game. People that don't necessarily quit playing but start trolling and messing around. That's really going to piss some folks off on both ends. LOL
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 23, 2017 13:52:07 GMT -5
The wrong question was asked. Cheating maybe, maybe not, who knows? Why don't we ask the question that will get us closer to the truth? Let's ask the question from a more pragmatic stance...
Is tanking, ditching or whatever spectrum term, hurting the game, it's player base (both new and old) and this forum? Has the overall action harmed the majority of players?
Now take out whether its Pix's fault or the players for trying to set their competition levels lower...You will get the proper answer and responses then.
Chiming in.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Feb 23, 2017 14:19:01 GMT -5
As for those work shop chips I really do want a few more of those work shop weapons and bots. And I don't mind taking the easy way to aquire both chips and gold. "I hate to say that you completely missed my point. I didn't say to change anything because it was a light bot or beacon mission. For whatever reason, when you get a mission for workshop points you are doing a lot of work and not getting very much. If you changed the mission to 30 gold you would be able to buy more workshop points. It's just a more cost effective and easy way of doing it." ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And if I actually like doing the daily missions? Because I absolutely do. I earn gold or workshop chips by completing the missions and add to it the gold I sometimes earn in the missions I win. I've gotten another 50-120 extra gold by the time I complete them. That's my point and I'm ahead in both units at the same time. I think they set it up that way on purpose.? At forum. All this rigamarole is actually about the match making is it not? 12/12s thrown in with much lower ranked equipment and such? Well just ask the developers if they can't just pit similarly upgraded bots against one another only. Maybe we could actually run different garages and play only against other matched opponents? Say a garage with 1-4 grade equipment. Another with 5-8s. And a 3rd with 9-12 stuff. That way you could still be ranked 30 and play with rank 1s but all of the equipment in the matches would be within those set parameters. Maybe you could still upgrade equipment and just have it automatically tranferred to the next garage level? I don't know how hard that'd be to do or even if it could be done. But it sure can't hurt to ask and it's just a suggestion. I completely understand a bit of the problem ya'll are talking about. Having a player or more drop into a match carrying hugely upgraded equipment and just laying waste to those carrying new to barely upgraded stuff is hard on the newer players and even frustrating to some older players. I truly get that. I ain't been playing long, only a few weeks, so I know what it's like being shot off the field in seconds in all of my 3 bots. A bit frustrating but I've persisted because I truly love mech oriented games, and this one fit this old MechWarrior's heart nearly to a T. I ain't good at it yet but I'm trying real hard to get better. Be even more fun if I could find a group of players willing to use actual tactics instead of going all willynilly but I digress. I actually liked the challenge of going against much much tougher opponents. I've learned very quickly to snipe and run or just get run over in many matches I get put in. Now I just try to see how long I can last against them(still ain't that long). Now I can sometimes manage to have at least a couple of pieces of armor on my #3 bot when the match ends. My point there is if you truly like the game you'll stay at it and learn to deal with what's thrown at you. Or you'll find something else to entertain you. You lose some, you win some.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 23, 2017 14:25:50 GMT -5
The wrong question was asked. Cheating maybe, maybe not, who knows? Why don't we ask the question that will get us closer to the truth? Let's ask the question from a more pragmatic stance... Is tanking, ditching or whatever spectrum term, hurting the game, it's player base (both new and old) and this forum? Has the overall action harmed the majority of players? Now take out whether its Pix's fault or the players for trying to set their competition levels lower...You will get the proper answer and responses then. Chiming in. i am actually going to do that.
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Post by mijapi300 on Feb 23, 2017 15:32:45 GMT -5
The wrong question was asked. Cheating maybe, maybe not, who knows? Why don't we ask the question that will get us closer to the truth? Let's ask the question from a more pragmatic stance... Is tanking, ditching or whatever spectrum term, hurting the game, it's player base (both new and old) and this forum? Has the overall action harmed the majority of players? Now take out whether its Pix's fault or the players for trying to set their competition levels lower...You will get the proper answer and responses then. Chiming in. This question is phrased much more properly for the actual point of most of the discussions lately. Yes, tanking in general is detrimental to the game. Even beacon tanking, which I partook in for a while, is detrimental. You eliminate the possibility of new players that you shouldn't be in a match with getting beacon gold, while also all but eliminating the chance of six new player reds of getting a win and some gold. And then on your way back up, you ruin the experience for 11 other players for at least 15-20 games.
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Post by youngchen on Feb 23, 2017 15:58:23 GMT -5
I'd much prefer someone to just leave a match and harass others players than have 2-3 on the regular absolute losers you carry for and may get gold/more silver for your work. No problem with tankers, its same as clubbing, they stay out of the way. But you dumb people... running your snipers and weak hangers full of 5 shiny pieces of crap unfinanced with gold that I'm always making up slack for... I'm tired of you. Not the tankers.
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Post by mijapi300 on Feb 23, 2017 16:36:25 GMT -5
I'd much prefer someone to just leave a match and harass others players than have 2-3 on the regular absolute losers you carry for and may get gold/more silver for your work. No problem with tankers, its same as clubbing, they stay out of the way. But you dumb people... running your snipers and weak hangers full of 5 shiny pieces of crap unfinanced with gold that I'm always making up slack for... I'm tired of you. Not the tankers. If they suck and you're carrying them (and all five of them have to suck and be carried for this to even apply), the MAX amount of gold they get is 3. You're getting 10 gold every game then. And your play cannot in any way shape or form have an effect on how much silver they make. That's strictly from the damage they do by pressing the red button. Personally, I love it when I can win with a crap team. That means easy 10 gold, and more silver for me because I get to do most of the damage.
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Post by arakos on Feb 23, 2017 16:40:05 GMT -5
I've been asking myself a question since my first days playing this game:
Why doesn't Pixonic separate lvl 1-29 players from lvl 30 players? I mean... shouldn't lvl 30 players play among themselves? No matter what MM system you use, that should pretty much solve the clubbers problem, in my opinion.
(Kindda off topic, sorry)
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Post by mijapi300 on Feb 23, 2017 17:09:17 GMT -5
I've been asking myself a question since my first days playing this game: Why doesn't Pixonic separate lvl 1-29 players from lvl 30 players? I mean... shouldn't lvl 30 players play among themselves? No matter what MM system you use, that should pretty much solve the clubbers problem, in my opinion. (Kindda off topic, sorry) I like this idea. You can only club so much before you inevitably hit level 30. Only problem is what about players that JUST hit level 30? Now they're pretty much stuck facing TT opponents for weeks or months before they can compete. Maybe an alternative version of your idea is have the total number of games played be a factor. Say someone that's played 5000 games should have 0 chance of getting matched in a game with people that have played 500 or less.
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Post by poisonelf on Feb 23, 2017 17:15:42 GMT -5
Its interesting that a few months ago, when we asked why max level 12's are in low matches 4/6 level we are told to play in lower levels. I guess the question now is what has changed other than doing nothing about max 12 in low level matches? Sounds like to me they have told us to tank, lol.
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Post by stygianumbra on Feb 23, 2017 17:46:05 GMT -5
1) Eliminate tanking: Encourage all the players that feel the MM is unfair and cheats them to leave the game.
2) Legitimize tanking: Some percentage of new players will get fed up and leave. Maybe pixonic will be forced to change something (see 1)
3) Ignore tanking: Pixonic is still gaining players for this game so I don't think it's a big issue, not chasing too many away. Someone idle? Leave early? Leave yourself, 2 players down is almost a guaranteed loss and you are in a new game in 10 seconds or less.
I have never played a game with a MM before this. Doom, quake and its many addons, counterstrike, MW4 mercs all have the ability to choose who you play with. I would avoid playing with people I didn't like or clans raping randoms or lots of laggy players.
I will still do that now and always regardless of what anyone says, I will choose who I play against or I won't play.
I pick number 3 btw.
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