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Post by Strayed on Oct 5, 2016 19:51:51 GMT -5
I would say just keep level 30 players out of low silver and below in general. ...unless, say, they have a low win% AND can build a hangar low enough while facing a stiff MM penalty? Level certainly doesn't denote skill in every instance. I don't think I would mind seeing level always equate with at least a small MM penalty. Hm, yeah, that is a good idea. At least to give the natasha noobs a chance to change their ways. |
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Post by nodalwars on Oct 5, 2016 19:53:06 GMT -5
I don't think "balancing" out a unit that is NOT balanced is the same as damaging noobs.......
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Post by Strayed on Oct 5, 2016 20:02:46 GMT -5
And what exactly is your reason for that?
The gepard is a premium bot for a reason, it's supposed to be better than other bots of its weight class. And it's already getting a speed nerf as well, there's simply no rhyme or reason to further nerf its health.
And didn't I say that it would damage the noobs who buy the gepard with real money? Didn't I mention a deal where a noob can buy a gepard extremely early in the game? How do you think that noob would feel if the five dollar premium bot he bought was useless? Pixo would lose another customer, simple as that.
As I've said, the problem isn't the bot or the system, it's the players.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Oct 5, 2016 20:08:48 GMT -5
And what exactly is your reason for that? The gepard is a premium bot for a reason, it's supposed to be better than other bots of its weight class. And it's already getting a speed nerf as well, there's simply no rhyme or reason to further nerf its health. And didn't I say that it would damage the noobs who buy the gepard with real money? Didn't I mention a deal where a noob can buy a gepard extremely early in the game? How do you think that noob would feel if the five dollar premium bot he bought was useless? Pixo would lose another customer, simple as that. As I've said, the problem isn't the bot or the system, it's the players. Welp, they could just make an exception, call the gep a 'fast medium' and throw it straight into silver? They might need to buff it, but really who's at a disadvantage if they just nudge it up a tier? |
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Post by Strayed on Oct 5, 2016 20:12:34 GMT -5
Stack another gep on top and call it a multistage heavy bot, lol.
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Post by DogTrail on Oct 5, 2016 20:24:38 GMT -5
Wait. When was this? 1000+ gold and 3 million silver for 5 dollars? Was I in a coma when this happened?  |
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Post by Strayed on Oct 5, 2016 20:31:03 GMT -5
Wait, I don't think it was 1000+ gold, probably closer to 300-500.
It's a sale that's only targeted towards noobs. Around level 10 I think?
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Post by Duodec on Oct 5, 2016 20:39:33 GMT -5
I hope this comes out correctly. I created a chart comparing the Gepard to the Ag light bots. As is, (assuming a light weapon is worth 1, a medium is 1.5 and a heavy is 2 value points) the Gepard averages 163.6% of light bot weapon strength. The table lays out the other values by comparison. The total is result of all three values.
Level HP Speed Total
1 157.3% 135.9% 349.9%
2 150.0% 131.8% 323.6%
3 145.1% 126.1% 299.3%
4 137.6% 121.7% 274.0%
5 133.3% 118.4% 258.3%
6 128.8% 113.7% 239.8%
7 124.3% 109.4% 222.5%
8 118.4% 107.4% 208.1%
9 113.4% 103.6% 192.2%
10 109.6% 103.6% 185.7%
11 104.6% 103.6% 177.3%
12 101.2% 103.6% 171.5%
Total 127.0% 114.9% 241.8%
Looking at these numbers the Gepard is ridiculously overpowered at the lower levels in comparison to the other light bots. A speed nerf is the least they could give us to at least give the Ag lights a chance while still keeping the nature of the gepard - a light with the hp and firepower just shy of a medium.
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Post by DogTrail on Oct 5, 2016 21:00:19 GMT -5
I suppose it was way too early in the game for me to decide to spend money on it.
Anyway, I think a simple fix would be to adjust the hangar score for geps - like put a 1.5x or 2x multiplier when you have at least 3 in your hangar. If they're L1 with L6 weapons, it's probably enough to bump you up to silver, and if they're 4/12 then you're borderline silver/gold. But if you only have 1 or 2 then they get counted as is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 21:17:06 GMT -5
Pix gave us the perfect anti MagGep bot, it's just too bad it costs twice as much gold. And uh, pushes you up a tier. But it's possible.
It's fun watching them run away when they realize they cannot and will not damage you.
Fight gold with gold I always say, to paraphrase Bugs Bunny.
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Post by xwumingx on Nov 25, 2016 20:58:42 GMT -5
when I see a maggep, after I'm toasted I bring out my patton with 6/6/6/6 AT Spiral and stay away bringing them down volley by volley even if they are behind walls, I can shift my angle n flank them for some damage, a full hit can usually take them down by 40% hp.
I've encountered 3 maggep camping at home spawn and gunning everyone down in crossfire and its really fustrating
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Post by yhondeh on Nov 26, 2016 3:43:37 GMT -5
I am not sure what you can do while you are on a Cossack, but I have some success with my Boa. Checking the MM scale, I am on par with 1/12 Geps with my 4/7 Boa and that seems about right as I can go toe to toe with most of these guys. Just had this game where they had 1 MagGep sealclubber at 90% win rate and I meched him out with my Boa. Also, I was lucky that I had better teammates than he did.  image upload for forums free image upload photo hosting |
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Post by Sybill on Nov 26, 2016 6:22:16 GMT -5
These screens look familiar to me. In h/bronze to l/silver I pilot aphid geps and stock mag geps only to counter enemy plasma bots. Don't like the playing style you adopt with plasma much. In my opinion, mm should ban all geps and all plasma from bronze into higher tiers.
To counter a mag gep there are several ways that work, only to name a few that come to mind:
- have your own mag gep
- thunder works like a charm - schütze or the boas above are great if you manage to get close
- platoon with fellows and go 2:1 or 3:1 on the mag gep - if you play lone wolf, stay close to a team mate (he may take some damage though)
- two quad spiral pattons on your team can force the gep into hiding
- level up the tiers, geps will not be trouble any more
- brit-bots and rhinos work nicely, but only the rhino can be played in low tiers
- tell the snipers on your team to make them self useful fore once
- if enemy has fewer bots on the field, avoid battle and go for beacons
- quad pinata patton can criple that gep if you get a full hit - use cover and do not engage in the open or from far away
- a sound levelled taran on a cossak can reduce the health of the gep by 50% or more if you are really skilled
it is in general promising to quit during count-down if you have disadvantageous setups on your team (noricums, zentis, 3+ destries, no knifers, 'tashas).
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Nov 26, 2016 6:27:29 GMT -5
Hey, my destriers are cool. There's nothing to quit, when you see them.
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Post by Sybill on Nov 26, 2016 6:50:21 GMT -5
Hey, my destriers are cool. There's nothing to quit, when you see them. Sorry! No offense meant. There are very skilled and dangerous destries out there. And with the proper weaponry, I am happy to have them on my team. You are very right: The destries give my aphids an incredibly hard time. I remember running from a pilot who had his destrier armed with magnums. He chased me the whole game and I felt like a rookie again. |
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Post by phoenix232 on Nov 26, 2016 8:10:27 GMT -5
It's like many others have said.. I can kill one, I can kill 3, but the people that run them usually have 5. It's sheer attrition - unless the WHOLE TEAM has the smarts to primary them (which in bronze/low silver, they usually don't), it's probably going to be a loss.
Not always, but usually.
You can always play the Cap game - try and hunker down and defend until they come to you for a DB sandwich - but that relies more on your team than I'm personally comfortable with.
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Post by yhondeh on Nov 26, 2016 9:00:03 GMT -5
Just had a loss against 4 MagGeps grouped team. They had 2 players with 100% win rate. They are part of a Japanese clan and I am a bit ashamed as I am a Japanese myself. From their max damage, it seems that those are their only hanger setups and they probably linger in low tier because they cannot win at higher tier. And from their 100% win rate, they always group up to make sure they win. On my Android, I am about to get to 3000 wins and have done higher max damage than both of these guys. And I am slowly going up to a higher tier as that's where real skill counts. Staying lower tier so that they can keep winning? That's just weak in my book. /rant    |
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Nov 26, 2016 11:30:53 GMT -5
Let me tell you about the other side, as a skilled Gepard pilot myself... - Anything with a Thunder will usually get me to run the other way, or force me to knife-fight and circle-strafe. - Similarly, rocket salvos are not good for my health, but get in close or get some aim. Geps can dance through rocket fire and make most of your shots miss if you can't aim. - My sensitivity is cranked up to the max. If you find yourself spinning in circles trying to hit me, consider doing the same. (When they added the sensitivity control, I cranked it all the way up and never looked back. It makes sniping a bit more difficult, but nothing I can't handle.)- Taking sniping shots when you are all alone is a sure way to get targeted and melted. (Magnum max range is 350m, effective ~300m, if I'm that close and you're all alone, don't get my attention.)- I laugh at bullet hoses and use geometry to get out of the worst of any fire lanes. Again, learn to aim or get used to dying, but really get better guns. - Fight fire with fire. Get some Magnums and Tarans for your own bots, if nothing else this will equal out the engagement range. - Cossacks can out-run Gepards by using their jumping ability, but just barely. Use obstacles as well to get out of LOS. - Heavy bots in high-bronze/low-silver are nothing but damage fodder to me, circle-strafing for days. Be nimble. - Concentrate your fire. CONCENTRATE YOUR FIRE. I SAID "CONCENTRATE YOUR FIRE"! Don't make me say it again... (Once a clubber/farmer has been spotted, all team members should do their best to wipe out that hanger. The most common cause of a loss for me is getting ganged up on while having crappy teammates.)xwumingx : Thanks for the necro-post-ish, I was thinking of starting a thread like this anyway but hadn't searched yet. |
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Nov 26, 2016 12:07:02 GMT -5
Hm, I just got an idea. When dealing with mag-geps, how about concentrating your fire?
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 26, 2016 14:34:13 GMT -5
Let me tell you about the other side, as a skilled Gepard pilot myself... - Anything with a Thunder will usually get me to run the other way, or force me to knife-fight and circle-strafe. - Similarly, rocket salvos are not good for my health, but get in close or get some aim. Geps can dance through rocket fire and make most of your shots miss if you can't aim. - My sensitivity is cranked up to the max. If you find yourself spinning in circles trying to hit me, consider doing the same. (When they added the sensitivity control, I cranked it all the way up and never looked back. It makes sniping a bit more difficult, but nothing I can't handle.)- Taking sniping shots when you are all alone is a sure way to get targeted and melted. (Magnum max range is 350m, effective ~300m, if I'm that close and you're all alone, don't get my attention.)- I laugh at bullet hoses and use geometry to get out of the worst of any fire lanes. Again, learn to aim or get used to dying, but really get better guns. - Fight fire with fire. Get some Magnums and Tarans for your own bots, if nothing else this will equal out the engagement range. - Cossacks can out-run Gepards by using their jumping ability, but just barely. Use obstacles as well to get out of LOS. - Heavy bots in high-bronze/low-silver are nothing but damage fodder to me, circle-strafing for days. Be nimble. - Concentrate your fire. CONCENTRATE YOUR FIRE. I SAID "CONCENTRATE YOUR FIRE"! Don't make me say it again... (Once a clubber/farmer has been spotted, all team members should do their best to wipe out that hanger. The most common cause of a loss for me is getting ganged up on while having crappy teammates.)xwumingx : Thanks for the necro-post-ish, I was thinking of starting a thread like this anyway but hadn't searched yet.I concur with all of this. A medium without a thunder is just meat. Sidestepping lights can avoid Gepard aphid strikes all day. I have lost many gepards to spirals, but never the match and I kill Spiral Pattons all day... |
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Post by josette2 on Nov 28, 2016 22:22:19 GMT -5
You guys talking counters against a magep 1v1 situations. Have you tried fighting a whole clan of mageps? It's hopeless once they spawn camp your team.
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Post by Muhlakai on Nov 28, 2016 22:43:23 GMT -5
You guys talking counters against a magep 1v1 situations. Have you tried fighting a whole clan of mageps? It's hopeless once they spawn camp your team. It's nearly impossible to beat back ANY successful spawn raid, but high-burst damage weapons like Thunders and Orkans help. Again, though, it doesn't really matter what's being driven if they're spawn raiding you. |
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Post by josette2 on Nov 29, 2016 0:16:07 GMT -5
You guys talking counters against a magep 1v1 situations. Have you tried fighting a whole clan of mageps? It's hopeless once they spawn camp your team. It's nearly impossible to beat back ANY successful spawn raid, but high-burst damage weapons like Thunders and Orkans help. Again, though, it doesn't really matter what's being driven if they're spawn raiding you. It does because only mag geps can do it in lower tiers. Orkans is pretty much a 1 time burst while thunder slows down after consecutive shots. Mag geps solo or in groups dont stop and their effective range is at 350. It's OP in lower tiers |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 29, 2016 0:27:27 GMT -5
WHAT ARE YALL DOING
DO YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE DEAD
SOMEBODY BRING BACK THE NECROPOST NOTIFICATION OR WHATEVER IT WAS
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Post by Muhlakai on Nov 29, 2016 1:23:38 GMT -5
It does because only mag geps can do it in lower tiers. Orkans is pretty much a 1 time burst while thunder slows down after consecutive shots. That's precisely what you WANT when defending against a spawn raid. You want to cause damage as fast as possible. ...and I guarantee you as someone who's never driven a Gep (and is definitely NOT a fan) that it's not the only bot that can spawn raid in Bronze. |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 29, 2016 6:04:04 GMT -5
It does because only mag geps can do it in lower tiers. Orkans is pretty much a 1 time burst while thunder slows down after consecutive shots. That's precisely what you WANT when defending against a spawn raid. You want to cause damage as fast as possible. ...and I guarantee you as someone who's never driven a Gep (and is definitely NOT a fan) that it's not the only bot that can spawn raid in Bronze. True, my orkan and Taran cossacks do have trouble escaping whilst my boa can take quite a bit of health away from a spawn camper. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 29, 2016 6:06:42 GMT -5
True, my orkan and Taran cossacks do have trouble escaping whilst my boa can take quite a bit of health away from a spawn camper. its pretty funny watching a gepard pilots in silver running around like they own the place, then walking into my teams spawn, only to find a Taran/thunder boa ready to turn them into paste. |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 29, 2016 6:12:27 GMT -5
True, my orkan and Taran cossacks do have trouble escaping whilst my boa can take quite a bit of health away from a spawn camper. its pretty funny watching a gepard pilots in silver running around like they own the place, then walking into my teams spawn, only to find a Taran/thunder boa ready to turn them into paste. Hey that rhymes So a Gep ran in silver like the boss of the place Until I spawned in a boa and turned him to paste And I said excuse me sir this is my spawn Then when he didn't listen I cooked him like a prawn boots and cats and boots and cats and He came back to life in an aphid gep Pinned me to a wall and said boi watch yo step I said I didn't mind and stuck my Taran round the corner And I roasted him again like Aussies to foreigners boots and cats and boots and cats and |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 29, 2016 6:29:44 GMT -5
its pretty funny watching a gepard pilots in silver running around like they own the place, then walking into my teams spawn, only to find a Taran/thunder boa ready to turn them into paste. Hey that rhymes So a Gep ran in silver like the boss of the place Until I spawned in a boa and turned him to paste And I said excuse me sir this is my spawn Then when he didn't listen I cooked him like a prawn boots and cats and boots and cats and He came back to life in an aphid gep Pinned me to a wall and said boi watch yo step I said I didn't mind and stuck my Taran round the corner And I roasted him again like Aussies to foreigners boots and cats and boots and cats and never watched that video until just then. It wasn't bad lol. |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 29, 2016 6:33:50 GMT -5
Hey that rhymes So a Gep ran in silver like the boss of the place Until I spawned in a boa and turned him to paste And I said excuse me sir this is my spawn Then when he didn't listen I cooked him like a prawn boots and cats and boots and cats and He came back to life in an aphid gep Pinned me to a wall and said boi watch yo step I said I didn't mind and stuck my Taran round the corner And I roasted him again like Aussies to foreigners boots and cats and boots and cats and never watched that video until just then. It wasn't bad lol. Wait what video? |
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