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Post by MCYL on May 21, 2017 17:32:23 GMT -5
Just because the ability is there to do something doesn't mean it's just or right to do it. Pix is instituting reward penalties now for those in the LQ. If folks don't shape up and play the game as the team sport it is, eventually they're gonna start being banned. And -that- is "just how it is". The day can't come soon enough when leavers and faders are only a momentary blip on anyone's radar before their account is locked down and they're unceremoniously punted along their merry way, like an old, used football. You mentioned team sport and that got me thinking. To avoid tankers, join a team that doesn't tank. Even if you sausd with one or two it reduces the chance of having a tanker in your side. |
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Post by lilryry on May 21, 2017 17:33:57 GMT -5
Just because the ability is there to do something doesn't mean it's just or right to do it. Pix is instituting reward penalties now for those in the LQ. If folks don't shape up and play the game as the team sport it is, eventually they're gonna start being banned. And -that- is "just how it is". The day can't come soon enough when leavers and faders are only a momentary blip on anyone's radar before their account is locked down and they're unceremoniously punted along their merry way, like an old, used football. haha you take this subject way too serious, maybe go outside and get some fresh air or something...this is a mobile game people use to escape their daily lives for a little while, it's nowhere near a "sport". Let people enjoy the game however they see fit. You start banning everyone that doesn't fit into your moral high ground you're gonna find yourself with out the game you clearly hold so near and dear to your heart |
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Post by Vectivus on May 21, 2017 17:42:51 GMT -5
Oy vey. Done, before I start saying things that will go down poorly with the mods.
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Post by Vectivus on May 21, 2017 17:43:55 GMT -5
Just because the ability is there to do something doesn't mean it's just or right to do it. Pix is instituting reward penalties now for those in the LQ. If folks don't shape up and play the game as the team sport it is, eventually they're gonna start being banned. And -that- is "just how it is". The day can't come soon enough when leavers and faders are only a momentary blip on anyone's radar before their account is locked down and they're unceremoniously punted along their merry way, like an old, used football. You mentioned team sport and that got me thinking. To avoid tankers, join a team that doesn't tank. Even if you sausd with one or two it reduces the chance of having a tanker in your side. It's a thought. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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Post by lilryry on May 21, 2017 17:44:25 GMT -5
Oy vey. Done, before I start saying things that will go down poorly with the mods. hahaha, yes I would say it would be a good idea for you to take 5 and relax |
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2017 18:28:03 GMT -5
well said lilryry. I think it is very important to remember it is just a game and it provides entertainment for users. i think many of us forget that at times including myself.
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Post by ♧SGT FURY 24/7♧ on May 21, 2017 19:07:50 GMT -5
My proposed solution to the current tanking/clubbing problem is to remove silver and gold rewards for players who drop more than one full league lvl from their highest ranking.
Example: qualify at Diamond 2, but if you drop below Gold 2, there is no gold or silver payout until you get back to Gold 2.
This would allow for the ups and downs we all experience when we hit the occasional losing streak (surely it isn't just me that has those), but removes the incentive for advanced players to dive into the kiddie pool for the quick gold rush.
Anyone see a problem with that?
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Post by MCYL on May 21, 2017 19:21:27 GMT -5
My proposed solution to the current tanking/clubbing problem is to remove silver and gold rewards for players who drop more than one full league lvl from their highest ranking. Example: qualify at Diamond 2, but if you drop below Gold 2, there is no gold or silver payout until you get back to Gold 2. This would allow for the ups and downs we all experience when we hit the occasional losing streak (surely it isn't just me that has those), but removes the incentive for advanced players to dive into the kiddie pool for the quick gold rush. Anyone see a problem with that? That...might be the best solution I've read so far. I'm interested in seeing the population of LQ once they start implementing reduced rewards whilst in LQ. All those champ class LQ players that claim they're the mere because it's more fun, they might change their tune. |
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Post by SunTsu on May 21, 2017 19:56:18 GMT -5
What I have noticed is that the tankers that get back to the normal Q get smoked pretty quick. You can definitely tell that shooting ducks in a barrel does not make you a better player. And when the reds are 10/10 and up you can't just wade in with a shield or DB and rack up damage and kills. Basically it stunts your growth, it would seem that LQ is more for folks that need to sharpen their skills, because at masters level and up everyone is twinked out, there is no "I win" button. So when you go to LQ and build your hanger it won't save you from the sharks that paid their dues, because I can tell you first hand it's much more fun to lay waste to 12/12's that come from the LQ.....that's the real seal clubin'
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Post by lilryry on May 21, 2017 19:58:23 GMT -5
My proposed solution to the current tanking/clubbing problem is to remove silver and gold rewards for players who drop more than one full league lvl from their highest ranking. Example: qualify at Diamond 2, but if you drop below Gold 2, there is no gold or silver payout until you get back to Gold 2. This would allow for the ups and downs we all experience when we hit the occasional losing streak (surely it isn't just me that has those), but removes the incentive for advanced players to dive into the kiddie pool for the quick gold rush. Anyone see a problem with that? That...might be the best solution I've read so far. I'm interested in seeing the population of LQ once they start implementing reduced rewards whilst in LQ. All those champ class LQ players that claim they're the mere because it's more fun, they might change their tune. yours absolutely right that there will be an influx of leavers/tankers back in the regular q once rewards are reduced in LQ, my question to you is why is it people want this to happen? All of the elitist on these boards complain about people tanking now and they don't even have to deal with a large percentage of them because they're segregated from the regular population of players so why encourage them to come back and ruin games for the regular players? People will still tank but more people are going to be exposed to it now and the complaining about tankers will only get worse. |
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Post by Insane Demon on May 21, 2017 20:04:08 GMT -5
Do "tankers" capture beacons? I won a battle with a "leaver" on my team against a team that had a player with a 5-slot hangar who dealt the least damage (11th with ~162k damage). He got 3 kills and capped 2 beacons... but he definitely under-performed. If I was the strongest player on my team, my team obviously was pretty damn weak. I'm always surprised to see WON with my username at the top.  |
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Post by llama4president on May 21, 2017 20:06:41 GMT -5
I don't understand all this angst and desire of punishment.
There is the stick and there is the carrot.
With the stick, you gotta do a lot of work to punish all the transgressors (of which rules? they should start at making the actual rules first.)
With the carrot, the work will be done by the transgressors themselves and your hands will be clean.
Pix just needs to figure out what is the right carrot, because right now they used the carrot on what had
to be the stick (the LQ lol)
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Post by Insane Demon on May 21, 2017 20:12:39 GMT -5
I don't understand all this angst and desire of punishment. There is the stick and there is the carrot. With the stick, you gotta do a lot of work to punish all the transgressors (of which rules? they should start at making the actual rules first.) With the carrot, the work will be done by the transgressors themselves and your hands will be clean. Pix just needs to figure out what is the right carrot, because right now they used the carrot on what had to be the stick (the LQ lol)  |
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Post by Payxonic on May 21, 2017 20:27:59 GMT -5
thats because its only focused on the punishment-LQ, and more and more NQ players go to LQ.
As it stands going upper leauges gives nothing! no advantages or whatsoever! no exclusive paintjobs, no additional silver/Au rewards on matches, no additinal AU rewards on dailies,or even exclusive decals or boost, nothing! in exchange for harder and more time consuming matches.
eventually time will come to any goody NQ diligent player that he realizes that lower leauges are easier with the same rewards and becomes a fader and on some cases becomes corrupted to become an LQ player
MAKE REWARDS IN HIGHER LEAGUE ATTRACTIVE
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Post by Insane Demon on May 21, 2017 20:36:11 GMT -5
thats because its only focused on the punishment-LQ, and more and more NQ players go to LQ. As it stands going upper leauges gives nothing! no advantages or whatsoever! no exclusive paintjobs, no additional silver/Au rewards on matches, no additinal AU rewards on dailies,or even exclusive decals or boost, nothing! in exchange for harder and more time consuming matches. eventually time will come to any goody NQ diligent player that he realizes that lower leauges are easier with the same rewards and becomes a fader and on some cases becomes corrupted to become an LQ player MAKE REWARDS IN HIGHER LEAGUE ATTRACTIVE How are matches "harder and more time consuming" in higher leagues? Bots may be stronger but your damage output should be higher, so... |
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on May 21, 2017 20:55:56 GMT -5
thats because its only focused on the punishment-LQ, and more and more NQ players go to LQ. As it stands going upper leauges gives nothing! no advantages or whatsoever! no exclusive paintjobs, no additional silver/Au rewards on matches, no additinal AU rewards on dailies,or even exclusive decals or boost, nothing! in exchange for harder and more time consuming matches. eventually time will come to any goody NQ diligent player that he realizes that lower leauges are easier with the same rewards and becomes a fader and on some cases becomes corrupted to become an LQ player MAKE REWARDS IN HIGHER LEAGUE ATTRACTIVE You make this game sound like work. It not a job, it's a game. The gold and silver are not real. If you're treating this game like a job, it's time to take a break. |
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on May 21, 2017 21:06:27 GMT -5
How about this everybody... We just leave the LQ the way it is. And then the LQ players play in their sandbox and the NQ players play in theirs. Since everyone seems to have a Q of preference, we all just stick to our respective sandboxes and leave each other alone? It's a little disturbing that segregation seems to be the most diplomatic solution here. We should all take a deep breath and let that sink in... humanity at it's finest, am I right? If you all can't behave, you know what time it is:  |
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2017 21:07:44 GMT -5
SunTsu. I am curious about what league u are in and whats in your hanger.
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Post by Paps on May 21, 2017 21:10:29 GMT -5
This thread turned into a dumpster fire pretty quick. Good job.
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Post by lilryry on May 21, 2017 21:13:02 GMT -5
How about this everybody... We just leave the LQ the way it is. And then the LQ players play in their sandbox and the NQ players play in theirs. Since everyone seems to have a Q of preference, we all just stick to our respective sandboxes and leave each other alone? It's a little disturbing that segregation seems to be the most diplomatic solution here. We should all take a deep breath and let that sink in... humanity at it's finest, am I right? If you all can't behave, you know what time it is: i would love to keep them both separate but the ethics police around here just couldn't live with themselves knowing players in LQ were having fun while not affecting them at all so what are we gonna get? More leavers/tankers going back to the regular Q for everyone to enjoy... |
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2017 21:19:16 GMT -5
Freedom Fighter. That cant be so as you've proposed because that's just not right. how could you have a group of people doing their stuff without affecting others and get away with that evil alternative behaviour. Everyone must play the same way, get ahead at the same rate, not indulge in alternative game play provided by Pix, pick up skills the same way and how dare those LQ tankers enjoy what they do in the dark realms of the LQ. Evil place that is. they should all be penalised. No, hang on ----- banned them all :-)
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Post by lilryry on May 21, 2017 21:25:39 GMT -5
Freedom Fighter. That cant be so as you've proposed because that's just not right. how could you have a group of people doing their stuff without affecting others and get away with that evil alternative behaviour. Everyone must play the same way, get ahead at the same rate, not indulge in alternative game play provided by Pix, pick up skills the same way and how dare those LQ tankers enjoy what they do in the dark realms of the LQ. Evil place that is. they should all be penalised. No, hang on ----- banned them all :-) its sad really but this is how so many feel, they can't just enjoy the game, they need to force everyone else to play the way they believe the game should be played. It's a crusade I tell you, a crusade against that terrible LQ |
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Post by Dredd77 on May 21, 2017 21:33:33 GMT -5
Freedom Fighter. That cant be so as you've proposed because that's just not right. how could you have a group of people doing their stuff without affecting others and get away with that evil alternative behaviour. Everyone must play the same way, get ahead at the same rate, not indulge in alternative game play provided by Pix, pick up skills the same way and how dare those LQ tankers enjoy what they do in the dark realms of the LQ. Evil place that is. they should all be penalised. No, hang on ----- banned them all :-) its sad really but this is how so many feel, they can't just enjoy the game, they need to force everyone else to play the way they believe the game should be played. It's a crusade I tell you, a crusade against that terrible LQ The only problem is that LQ playes can get back in the NQ pool. If you close that door, I would never give LQ players a second thought. |
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2017 21:34:09 GMT -5
Its rather sad that many of those in the NQ do not realise that Pix has some sort of strategy with that queue. why would they add two extra maps to the LQ but not to the NQ. so LQ guys have two additional maps to play on. maybe some sort of testing ground like the test server.
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Post by lilryry on May 21, 2017 21:44:03 GMT -5
its sad really but this is how so many feel, they can't just enjoy the game, they need to force everyone else to play the way they believe the game should be played. It's a crusade I tell you, a crusade against that terrible LQ The only problem is that LQ playes can get back in the NQ pool. If you close that door, I would never give LQ players a second thought. i don't see pix making it perminate, heck everyday there's a new thread started here by someone that isn't even aware they were placed into LQ or know what it is, is it really fair to make them stay there forever? I talk a lot of 「dookie」 I know but honestly I just don't think this is a situation pix will be able to punish out of people, I think incentivizing people to stay at higher ranks would encourage many to ditch tanking and play "normal".sure some would still find a loophole but it would be less. I just get irritated by people calling for bans, as much as you agree or don't agree with tanking the bottom line is pix is allowing it to happen so I have a hard time seeing what all the fuss is about. I'm not planning on staying in LQ, again I needed it for the event and now am playing in a manner to get back to NQ but I must say the gold is nice and there have been some really exciting matches. |
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Post by lilryry on May 21, 2017 21:47:40 GMT -5
Its rather sad that many of those in the NQ do not realise that Pix has some sort of strategy with that queue. why would they add two extra maps to the LQ but not to the NQ. so LQ guys have two additional maps to play on. maybe some sort of testing ground like the test server. i have thought all along there must be some alterior motive to having a completely separate q for players seeing how it has been so ineffective at stopping what it was created for |
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Post by MCYL on May 21, 2017 21:55:31 GMT -5
The only problem is that LQ playes can get back in the NQ pool. If you close that door, I would never give LQ players a second thought. i don't see pix making it perminate, heck everyday there's a new thread started here by someone that isn't even aware they were placed into LQ or know what it is, is it really fair to make them stay there forever? I talk a lot of ?poo-poo? I know but honestly I just don't think this is a situation pix will be able to punish out of people, I think incentivizing people to stay at higher ranks would encourage many to ditch tanking and play "normal".sure some would still find a loophole but it would be less. I just get irritated by people calling for bans, as much as you agree or don't agree with tanking the bottom line is pix is allowing it to happen so I have a hard time seeing what all the fuss is about. I'm not planning on staying in LQ, again I needed it for the event and now am playing in a manner to get back to NQ but I must say the gold is nice and there have been some really exciting matches. Having been there and still might be there with one account I'd agree on the exciting matches. Running into 2 Galahads having one melt in 5 secs and barely making a dent in the other is a laugh. But in the long term LQ gameplay I do not enjoy. It's kinda like playing chess with chess master with dementia. I can play perfectly (or horribly) choose the right (or completely wrong) tactics and still the outcome is a coin flip. That is probably my main complaint against leavers, tankers or just the generally 「slow」, they're the margin of error that happens to be no less than 16.6%. I enjoy gameplay where your teams decisions is reflected in the outcome (e.g Springfield, whether to storm D or hold out in cities & farm) with yourself as part of the team contributing to a fast evolving plan in real time. Kinda like competitive chess with a early mid and end game but as a group. |
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Post by MCYL on May 21, 2017 22:00:38 GMT -5
Its rather sad that many of those in the NQ do not realise that Pix has some sort of strategy with that queue. why would they add two extra maps to the LQ but not to the NQ. so LQ guys have two additional maps to play on. maybe some sort of testing ground like the test server. i have thought all along there must be some alterior motive to having a completely separate q for players seeing how it has been so ineffective at stopping what it was created for Well Pix should have only 2 motives, entice spending real currency & keep people playing. Anything else would be superfluous to being Devs as a job. |
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Post by lilryry on May 21, 2017 22:10:24 GMT -5
i don't see pix making it perminate, heck everyday there's a new thread started here by someone that isn't even aware they were placed into LQ or know what it is, is it really fair to make them stay there forever? I talk a lot of ?poo-poo? I know but honestly I just don't think this is a situation pix will be able to punish out of people, I think incentivizing people to stay at higher ranks would encourage many to ditch tanking and play "normal".sure some would still find a loophole but it would be less. I just get irritated by people calling for bans, as much as you agree or don't agree with tanking the bottom line is pix is allowing it to happen so I have a hard time seeing what all the fuss is about. I'm not planning on staying in LQ, again I needed it for the event and now am playing in a manner to get back to NQ but I must say the gold is nice and there have been some really exciting matches. Having been there and still might be there with one account I'd agree on the exciting matches. Running into 2 Galahads having one melt in 5 secs and barely making a dent in the other is a laugh. But in the long term LQ gameplay I do not enjoy. It's kinda like playing chess with chess master with dementia. I can play perfectly (or horribly) choose the right (or completely wrong) tactics and still the outcome is a coin flip. That is probably my main complaint against leavers, tankers or just the generally ?special?ed, they're the margin of error that happens to be no less than 16.6%. I enjoy gameplay where your teams decisions is reflected in the outcome (e.g Springfield, whether to storm D or hold out in cities & farm) with yourself as part of the team contributing to a fast evolving plan in real time. Kinda like competitive chess with a early mid and end game but as a group. i almost exclusively play solo and maybe that's what I enjoy about LQ is that most often it's 3v3 or maybe 4v4 and usually I can carry my team to a victory if I can get even a slight contribution from my teammates. When I'm in NQ there is more people on my team so therefor my overall impact on the outcome is diminished and I lose more. |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on May 21, 2017 22:16:43 GMT -5
Having been there and still might be there with one account I'd agree on the exciting matches. Running into 2 Galahads having one melt in 5 secs and barely making a dent in the other is a laugh. But in the long term LQ gameplay I do not enjoy. It's kinda like playing chess with chess master with dementia. I can play perfectly (or horribly) choose the right (or completely wrong) tactics and still the outcome is a coin flip. That is probably my main complaint against leavers, tankers or just the generally ?special?ed, they're the margin of error that happens to be no less than 16.6%. I enjoy gameplay where your teams decisions is reflected in the outcome (e.g Springfield, whether to storm D or hold out in cities & farm) with yourself as part of the team contributing to a fast evolving plan in real time. Kinda like competitive chess with a early mid and end game but as a group. i almost exclusively play solo and maybe that's what I enjoy about LQ is that most often it's 3v3 or maybe 4v4 and usually I can carry my team to a victory if I can get even a slight contribution from my teammates. When I'm in NQ there is more people on my team so therefor my overall impact on the outcome is diminished and I lose more. So LQ is great to you because you like being a big fish in a small pond? When you lose though, it's because your teammates didn't contribute in the slightest? This is kinda what you are implying. |
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