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Post by Russel on May 20, 2017 11:13:10 GMT -5
Funny how butt hurt so many people that would never even consider tanking to the LQ get about the LQ people getting rewards...get over yourself, it doesn't effect you at all. My matches have been infinitely better in LQ since I dropped there for the event so I would have a prayer of progressing through it without the mm constantly fighting against me. I know pix is going to lower rewards in LQ which is whatever although I do average 60-100 gold per hour which will be missed but I'm sure everyone will move on to the new exploit. Tankers aren't ruining this game, people that think pix can code in a solution to force people to play a certain way however are... Well, let's say that I am a friend of a Pixx coder, and he got me Golden Gun for my Doc, so I could kill any of your bot just in one shot from 1500m Would you be glad to face a challenge playing against me?
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Post by lilryry on May 20, 2017 12:22:24 GMT -5
Funny how butt hurt so many people that would never even consider tanking to the LQ get about the LQ people getting rewards...get over yourself, it doesn't effect you at all. My matches have been infinitely better in LQ since I dropped there for the event so I would have a prayer of progressing through it without the mm constantly fighting against me. I know pix is going to lower rewards in LQ which is whatever although I do average 60-100 gold per hour which will be missed but I'm sure everyone will move on to the new exploit. Tankers aren't ruining this game, people that think pix can code in a solution to force people to play a certain way however are... Well, let's say that I am a friend of a Pixx coder, and he got me Golden Gun for my Doc, so I could kill any of your bot just in one shot from 1500m Would you be glad to face a challenge playing against me? this has nothing to do with my statement...try again bud
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Post by Russel on May 20, 2017 12:33:55 GMT -5
Well, let's say that I am a friend of a Pixx coder, and he got me Golden Gun for my Doc, so I could kill any of your bot just in one shot from 1500m Would you be glad to face a challenge playing against me? this has nothing to do with my statement...try again bud That has everything to do with it. Why do you want to tank in the first place? It is to get to a lower league. Why do you want to the lower league? It is to bring your guns to the kindergarden. Why do you want to bring your guns to the kindergarden? To farm more gold faster. Why do you want to farm more gold faster? To get back to the top league and get an unfair advantage. So, while every normal player is fighing in their normal league, you are farming loads of gold to get back to your league with all the gold stuff and 12\12 hangar to beat crap out of people you were not able to beat with usual game strategy. That is called cheating. Please give me alternative reasons if you may.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 20, 2017 12:34:34 GMT -5
Don't want to derail, but that most definitely did not originate with robotech that's straight Mech Warrior from the original D&D style board game. They licensed the image, along with Zues (modified Bioroid), Warhammer (Destroid) and LAMS (Veritechs) from Studio Nue. They did not create them. They were already created. That's true (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen) , but battletech eventually grew to have an incredibly wider and richer universe and story (not to mention, hundreds of different mechs)
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Post by sethile on May 20, 2017 15:14:48 GMT -5
A lot of posters on this thread are missing a vital point.
Tankers are not staying in LQ once they finish Tanking. Faders never enter the LQ.
Most people in the LQ get there by Leaving...
Most players in the LQ are happy to be there. For myself it's way more fun.
What players do in the LQ does not affect anyone in the NQ.
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Post by sethile on May 20, 2017 15:24:54 GMT -5
You want to fix Tanking.
Fix the incentives that drive people to tank. Most tankers are doing it to maximise gold and silver (50% bonus from winning).
Most gold comes from reclimbing leagues each month.
Fix 1: give all players the full gold each month as if they tanked and climbed back up (or make it 80% so it's not worth the effort).
Fix 2: give greater rewards for winning at a higher league. Scale rewards such that Champions rewards are 2x (double) those in bronze. Note: do not nerf bronze.
If a player is winning at 50% in champions and 100% in Bronze as a tanker they will get the same gold returns. Usually Champion matches take longer but you do way more damage so silver returns vs time should still be higher. Meaning there's an incentive to stay in a higher league.
Fix 3: keep the LQ. Keep the rewards the same.
I love the LQ. It's way more fun. Plus I still get decent gold and silver. Don't change it because people don't understand it. I see a lot of people upset over things that do not impact them. Ignorance is not a valid reason for change.
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Post by Russel on May 20, 2017 15:43:34 GMT -5
You want to fix Tanking. Fix the incentives that drive people to tank. Most tankers are doing it to maximise gold and silver (50% bonus from winning). Most gold comes from reclimbing leagues each month. Fix 1: give all players the full gold each month as if they tanked and climbed back up (or make it 80% so it's not worth the effort). Fix 2: give greater rewards for winning at a higher league. Scale rewards such that Champions rewards are 2x (double) those in bronze. Note: do not nerf bronze. If a player is winning at 50% in champions and 100% in Bronze as a tanker they will get the same gold returns. Usually Champion matches take longer but you do way more damage so silver returns vs time should still be higher. Meaning there's an incentive to stay in a higher league. Fix 3: keep the LQ. Keep the rewards the same. I love the LQ. It's way more fun. Plus I still get decent gold and silver. Don't change it because people don't understand it. I see a lot of people upset over things that do not impact them. Ignorance is not a valid reason for change. Oh my ))) Are you REALLY saying that all the problems will be fixed just by giving more money to people?
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Post by War Child on May 20, 2017 16:11:22 GMT -5
Kindergarden...it would only take a week or month to get to silver,they would still gonna get clobbered anyways.Tankers or no tankers,that doesn't change the fact that some people are just bad at the game and still did not graduate grade school.I am neither against,or support tanking.I don't give a 「dookie」 about tanking players in my team anymore,I only give a 「dookie」 to those damned idiots with high level 4 slot hangers.I just hate it when I see a battle in our favor but suddenly 4 blues mech out and giving the win to the reds.
But isn't high level 4 slot hangers also considered cheating?They have better stuff than most of other people in their league,so they should also be included.ok,rant over.When I got to bronze/silver III during the event,players there can still put up a good fight even though they were just using guns and bullets.They are not too hopeless at all,but they still get a pretty good beating,but the sooner the bully gets what he wants,the sooner he leaves the kids alone :/.
As of now,I'm tanking for the sake of proving 3/4 slot enthusiasts wrong.Although I succumbed to the boredom and returned to my normal hanger,I'm trying the best I can to play as how a noob would play.
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Post by lilryry on May 20, 2017 16:46:19 GMT -5
this has nothing to do with my statement...try again bud That has everything to do with it. Why do you want to tank in the first place? It is to get to a lower league. Why do you want to the lower league? It is to bring your guns to the kindergarden. Why do you want to bring your guns to the kindergarden? To farm more gold faster. Why do you want to farm more gold faster? To get back to the top league and get an unfair advantage. So, while every normal player is fighing in their normal league, you are farming loads of gold to get back to your league with all the gold stuff and 12\12 hangar to beat crap out of people you were not able to beat with usual game strategy. That is called cheating. Please give me alternative reasons if you may. haha trust me I face plenty of players that out gear me in tankers league, the difference in once I win a few games in a row the mm doesn't take it upon itself to force me to lose 10 matches in a row to make sure my win% doesn't get too high. That's all regular queue has been for me since it came out is up and down and I simple get sick of my matches outcome being predetermined by an algorithm. But unfortunately people like yourself have to complain because something that doesn't effect you apparently "isn't fair" much the same as I'm sure we were given this bogus mm again because people like yourself that I'm sure weren't effected by clubbing just had to see the injustices righted. Just let people play the game how they want to and stop trying to force everyone into your tiny little box, get over yourself
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Post by Russel on May 20, 2017 17:48:20 GMT -5
That has everything to do with it. Why do you want to tank in the first place? It is to get to a lower league. Why do you want to the lower league? It is to bring your guns to the kindergarden. Why do you want to bring your guns to the kindergarden? To farm more gold faster. Why do you want to farm more gold faster? To get back to the top league and get an unfair advantage. So, while every normal player is fighing in their normal league, you are farming loads of gold to get back to your league with all the gold stuff and 12\12 hangar to beat crap out of people you were not able to beat with usual game strategy. That is called cheating. Please give me alternative reasons if you may. haha trust me I face plenty of players that out gear me in tankers league, the difference in once I win a few games in a row the mm doesn't take it upon itself to force me to lose 10 matches in a row to make sure my win% doesn't get too high. That's all regular queue has been for me since it came out is up and down and I simple get sick of my matches outcome being predetermined by an algorithm. But unfortunately people like yourself have to complain because something that doesn't effect you apparently "isn't fair" much the same as I'm sure we were given this bogus mm again because people like yourself that I'm sure weren't effected by clubbing just had to see the injustices righted. Just let people play the game how they want to and stop trying to force everyone into your tiny little box, get over yourself It is pretty strange that you made such assumptions about people like myself. I just can't find the reason people tank. I can appreciate people getting into LQ because they like to leave maps\games. It is just the way they play. But tanking takes a lot of effort, planning and then.. what's the reason? I can see only three possibilities here: 1) You are crappy player, so you get no gold\silver in your battles 2) You want to buy everything fast, and need tons of gold 3) You want to be the best player in a battle, and it is possible only in lower leagues And judging by your reaction it is quite possible that all three points might be, in fact, correct. So I am glad that you can soon buy all the equipment you want, get your 「bum-bum」 kicked by other 12\12 players, and leave the game for good, complaining about "dishonest MM" and "Pixxonic ruining the game", because your posts are missing basic punctuation and decent formatting, making them pretty hard to read. P.s. oh, and it's "affected", not "effected" that should be used in your post. You are welcome.
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Post by Dredd77 on May 20, 2017 17:57:13 GMT -5
Pixonic does not approve of the activity.
I would look at it the same way I would any other exploit.
I remember someone once posted a video of a guy who had hacked the game. His bot moved just about at will in the blink of an eye, killed everyone he was up against. I never faced this person. Should I ignore the exploit because it didn't directly impact me? Should I salute the hacker for "playing the game the way he wanted to" and not "letting Pixo dictate how he plays?"
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Post by Russel on May 20, 2017 18:14:47 GMT -5
Pixonic does not approve of the activity. I would look at it the same way I would any other exploit. I remember someone once posted a video of a guy who had hacked the game. His bot moved just about at will in the blink of an eye, killed everyone he was up against. I never faced this person. Should I ignore the exploit because it didn't directly impact me? Should I salute the hacker for "playing the game the way he wanted to" and not "letting Pixo dictate how he plays?" Could you contact Pixx so that some kind of "game recommendations" or plain rules would be available in game? It is confusing indeed not to have one anywhere.
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Post by Insane Demon on May 20, 2017 18:23:16 GMT -5
Add me to the list of people who hate tankers... there was one on my team in Dead City using a level 6 Rogatka with level 11 orkans... had 5 slots but was 6th in damage. I just realized there's a difference between a "tanker" and a "leaver". He stayed during the whole match (which we lost) and captured one beacon (our home beacon) but did little else except shoot reds who were at our spawn. He's in the "P B" clan. Is that a "tanker" clan?
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Post by Dredd77 on May 20, 2017 18:29:10 GMT -5
Pixonic does not approve of the activity. I would look at it the same way I would any other exploit. I remember someone once posted a video of a guy who had hacked the game. His bot moved just about at will in the blink of an eye, killed everyone he was up against. I never faced this person. Should I ignore the exploit because it didn't directly impact me? Should I salute the hacker for "playing the game the way he wanted to" and not "letting Pixo dictate how he plays?" Could you contact Pixx so that some kind of "game recommendations" or plain rules would be available in game? It is confusing indeed not to have one anywhere. It's been suggested.
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Post by sethile on May 20, 2017 18:34:23 GMT -5
You want to fix Tanking. Fix the incentives that drive people to tank. Most tankers are doing it to maximise gold and silver (50% bonus from winning). Most gold comes from reclimbing leagues each month. Fix 1: give all players the full gold each month as if they tanked and climbed back up (or make it 80% so it's not worth the effort). Fix 2: give greater rewards for winning at a higher league. Scale rewards such that Champions rewards are 2x (double) those in bronze. Note: do not nerf bronze. If a player is winning at 50% in champions and 100% in Bronze as a tanker they will get the same gold returns. Usually Champion matches take longer but you do way more damage so silver returns vs time should still be higher. Meaning there's an incentive to stay in a higher league. Fix 3: keep the LQ. Keep the rewards the same. I love the LQ. It's way more fun. Plus I still get decent gold and silver. Don't change it because people don't understand it. I see a lot of people upset over things that do not impact them. Ignorance is not a valid reason for change. Oh my ))) Are you REALLY saying that all the problems will be fixed just by giving more money to people? Actually yes. It removes the incentive. Are you saying that you read my post and didn't understand it? Oh my )
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Post by Dredd77 on May 20, 2017 18:56:13 GMT -5
Oh my ))) Are you REALLY saying that all the problems will be fixed just by giving more money to people? Actually yes. It removes the incentive. Are you saying that you read my post and didn't understand it? Oh my ) Somewhat ironically, Pixo is implementing your strategy very soon, "removing the incentive" by nerfing all rewards in the LQ. I imagine you'll approve.
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Post by Nitro on May 20, 2017 18:59:56 GMT -5
Pixonic mentioned that they would be making some modifications to the Leaver's queue, three that I heard were reduced rewards, freezing the player's ranking in LQ, and only fighting players in that league you were in before you entered LQ. While some may nod their heads and say that this is a perfect solution, we've all felt that way with solutions Pixonic made in the past. Basically what this means is someone with 12/12 hangar can nerf their hangar temporarily to be forced down the ranks naturally (running crappy builds and such). Forcing themselves all the way into bronze, then proceed to tank. They will be put in LQ and anyone else in bronze LQ will be forced to fight them because everyone's ranks are locked.. The 12/12 player and ditch a couple of matches to stay there, and run amok recklessly the rest of the time, making the situation even more beneficial to them.
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Post by sethile on May 20, 2017 19:30:32 GMT -5
Actually yes. It removes the incentive. Are you saying that you read my post and didn't understand it? Oh my ) Somewhat ironically, Pixo is implementing your strategy very soon, "removing the incentive" by nerfing all rewards in the LQ. I imagine you'll approve. LQ is not the problem. Tanking is. Making the LQ less attractive will only detrimentally affect the NQ. Tanking is not an issue in LQ. No one cares about it as it's part of the meta. You never know how many blues or reds you will get. Most of us enjoy it. But most NQ players quite rightly hate a team losing a player to tanking/fading. Address the incentives to NQ MM. Less sticks, more carrots. Players will always optimise around sticks and continue to find a way to ruin NQ matches for their own benefit. Make it such that there are better benefits is playing to your max league at 50/50 win/loss.
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Post by sethile on May 20, 2017 19:32:05 GMT -5
Pixonic mentioned that they would be making some modifications to the Leaver's queue, three that I heard were reduced rewards, freezing the player's ranking in LQ, and only fighting players in that league you were in before you entered LQ. While some may nod their heads and say that this is a perfect solution, we've all felt that way with solutions Pixonic made in the past. Basically what this means is someone with 12/12 hangar can nerf their hangar temporarily to be forced down the ranks naturally (running crappy builds and such). Forcing themselves all the way into bronze, then proceed to tank. They will be put in LQ and anyone else in bronze LQ will be forced to fight them because everyone's ranks are locked.. The 12/12 player and ditch a couple of matches to stay there, and run amok recklessly the rest of the time, making the situation even more beneficial to them. Unfortunately you are spot on. This will promote tanking... massively.
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Post by lumpybump on May 20, 2017 19:54:42 GMT -5
Tuning in late and I've missed quite a bit. Really like the discourse on page 2 which goes south page 3 but all in all well reasoned, articulate, and considerate. I think page 2 should be a model of how forums members should conduct themselves (exempting myself of course). I mostly disagree with you Russel but you make a good argument.
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Post by Insane Demon on May 20, 2017 20:03:07 GMT -5
Tuning in late and I've missed quite a bit. Really like the discourse on page 2 which goes south page 3 but all in all well reasoned, articulate, and considerate. I think page 2 should be a model of how forums members should conduct themselves (exempting myself of course). I mostly disagree with you Russel but you make a good argument. Russel is the one who suggested locking hangars during a whole season, right? Lmao 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 are you guys smoking...
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Post by T34 on May 20, 2017 21:14:49 GMT -5
Can I start with: It’s a good thread and read whats happeing.
here I go again. War Robots is just a game. I know games can inflame passions but it’s a game at the end of the day
There are no simple solutions bc 1. Pix needs to make money. No money -> No Pix -> No game. 2. Pix has limited resources and cant do everything. Worth also considering that they also have access to survey results and know stats about how the game is going. We don’t. Personal opinion – they are rather good and offer a better product than MANY others out there. Try and get ahead in Asphalt8 without spending RM or not hacking the game. I will buy a premium or something soon not bc I need it but to show my support for pix. 3. IMO for me personally the NQ is flawed as getting ahead is extremely difficult. However if one plays the game for just fun there is nothing wrong with it. If you want to go up the ranks and build a 12/12 hanger than forget the NQ unless you are willing to spend RM or want to play the game for an eternity. If you see a tanker in the NQ and you lose because of that guy - so what. The MM will eventually beat you to a 50/50 position with or without tankers, with or without clubbers, irrespective of your bot levels, irrespective of your weapons levels, irrespective of your skill level…(high level sustained squadding is the only exception). Try and tank 100 games and you will find that your win loss will still be in the 40% range and sometimes even over 50%. You will not drop below bronze for sustained periods). Only exception is squad tanking. That’s how it is. 4. Over all - the LQ is not bad for several reasons. In summary it provides for the following • Removes the tankers in most part from the NQ • Randomness of game play • Offers people to face opposition of different levels (eg I was so happy to beat a guy one on one who had a 12/12 ancilot from champions 1 with my 9/9 ancilot). • Offers shorter games and removes the intenseness of the gameplay in NQ (variety is good) • No heavy handed interference from the MM • Ability to move up the ranks (NQ = steady state in most part). Also I am not sure if the leagues have any relevance anymore. • Rewards are greater (pix wont like this but plays should not care) • Gives the ability for clubbers to club (note: I am not trying to argue the merits of this). And why people club - more AU, more AG or the pleasure derived from doing it. Increasing NQ rewards is not a solution as financially it would not benefit Pix and the rewards of the alternate game play are greater even if you totally remove rewards from the LQ. And if rewards are removed from the LQ than people will very quickly find a way to overcome the issue. Without a totally random MM there will be a loophole. See the random MM in LQ. • There are those that love finding loopholes in games. Eg working out alternatives to normal play. The shear endeavour of working it out. • If pix leaves the rewards as they are in NQ and say somehow they manage to eliminate alternate options than people will leave the game in droves as getting ahead will be extremely slow without spending RM. (ps. Wont affect me bc I have no such financial constraints but I am certain that most do or are not willing to spend RM for various reasons). Fewer people -> less revenue -> poorer game play -> bad outcome. In a partial way this is a rogue and immature game in some ways. Different play alternatives, things to work out in it, sometimes you cry sometimes you simile, pleasure fighting with robots against people diffeerernt tactics and strategies…… that’s why I like it. I am not sure if I would be here if it wasn’t so. To those who don’t like this go and play asphalt 8, slither io or candy crush (not meant in derogatory way but in a way todemonstrte what mature games look like). Boooooooooooring IMO And for tankers and clubbers who get ahead faster than normal please consider buying something to give back to the game. Even if it’s a small gesture.
And now tell me how deranged I am ?
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Post by SunTsu on May 20, 2017 21:54:44 GMT -5
I think the one thing all posters have in common, regardless of which side ofthe tanking debate they are on, is that the game is fun, but if you care about the games longevity, a system where higher level players are allowed access to beat up on lower level players will demotivate new players. People can play the game however they want but from the posts I'm seeing the lq is basically being used to advance players via equipment when they lack the skills to advance when evendly matched.
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Post by lilryry on May 20, 2017 22:02:57 GMT -5
Pixonic does not approve of the activity. I would look at it the same way I would any other exploit. I remember someone once posted a video of a guy who had hacked the game. His bot moved just about at will in the blink of an eye, killed everyone he was up against. I never faced this person. Should I ignore the exploit because it didn't directly impact me? Should I salute the hacker for "playing the game the way he wanted to" and not "letting Pixo dictate how he plays?" its funny that you say pix doesn't approve of the activity and yet they're the very people that implemented and allowed a system that encourages it, to this point I would as you for an explanation as to how exactly you came to this conclusion
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Post by Dredd77 on May 20, 2017 22:14:26 GMT -5
Pixonic does not approve of the activity. I would look at it the same way I would any other exploit. I remember someone once posted a video of a guy who had hacked the game. His bot moved just about at will in the blink of an eye, killed everyone he was up against. I never faced this person. Should I ignore the exploit because it didn't directly impact me? Should I salute the hacker for "playing the game the way he wanted to" and not "letting Pixo dictate how he plays?" its funny that you say pix doesn't approve of the activity and yet they're the very people that implemented a system that encourages it, to this point I would as you for an explanation as to how exactly you came to this conclusion Nothing funny about it. You don't implement measures to deter a certain activity if you are in favor of that activity. Pretty logical. Then there's the fact that I am a Pixonic insider… this really isn't a rabbit out of the hat stuff. The pro tanker movement increasingly resembles flat eartherism where the evidence of one's senses is replaced by whimsical reality bending to fit a desired narrative. Put another way, the wrong answer in search of the right question.
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Post by lilryry on May 20, 2017 22:23:19 GMT -5
its funny that you say pix doesn't approve of the activity and yet they're the very people that implemented a system that encourages it, to this point I would as you for an explanation as to how exactly you came to this conclusion Nothing funny about it. You don't implement measures to deter a certain activity if you are in favor of that activity. Pretty logical. Then there's the fact that I am a Pixonic insider… this really isn't a rabbit out of the hat stuff. The pro tanker movement increasingly resembles flat eartherism where the evidence of one's senses is replaced by whimsical reality bending to fit a desired narrative. Put another way, the wrong answer in search of the right question. please enlighten me on how exactly the LQ was meant to deter tanking/leaving, I mean since you're a "Pixonic insider" maybe you can explain why it is that they implemented a system that if someone ditches 5 or so matches they're instantly put into a separate queue i which they're paired against low level players and gold is easily farmed? Either they're encouraging this sort of behavior or they're too stupid to realize they are, either of which is laughable
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Post by T34 on May 20, 2017 22:26:27 GMT -5
Suntsu. When i am in NQ i just dont see the clubbers to the extent that people seem to imply by the posts. Its like one in a 100 games that i see one clubber. And i reckon in the LQ the gloves are justifyably off. If someone decides to go in there be prepared to accept the consequences or play normal and get out quick. I reckon the entry requiremnts are gold bots (griff also good) that are well equiped and leveled.
Also do not confuse the banding allocation the MM uses with tankers on the up cycle. Eg if ur are in silver u could be mixed with people from gold. If in gold u can get diamonds and if in diamd or expert u can get masters and champion players. They are not tankers on the up cycle but MM allocations to make sure u get back to 50-50.
I am speculating but i would say that most LQ participants are in ther to advance their hanger or leveling faster. Once those are at a level they feel happy with they will get out. It a fattening place.
Amd only pix knows how the health of the game is going. Say the current set up is producing good results they wont change it.may tweak with it to keep some people happy but thats it
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Post by lilryry on May 20, 2017 22:39:27 GMT -5
haha trust me I face plenty of players that out gear me in tankers league, the difference in once I win a few games in a row the mm doesn't take it upon itself to force me to lose 10 matches in a row to make sure my win% doesn't get too high. That's all regular queue has been for me since it came out is up and down and I simple get sick of my matches outcome being predetermined by an algorithm. But unfortunately people like yourself have to complain because something that doesn't effect you apparently "isn't fair" much the same as I'm sure we were given this bogus mm again because people like yourself that I'm sure weren't effected by clubbing just had to see the injustices righted. Just let people play the game how they want to and stop trying to force everyone into your tiny little box, get over yourself It is pretty strange that you made such assumptions about people like myself. I just can't find the reason people tank. I can appreciate people getting into LQ because they like to leave maps\games. It is just the way they play. But tanking takes a lot of effort, planning and then.. what's the reason? I can see only three possibilities here: 1) You are crappy player, so you get no gold\silver in your battles 2) You want to buy everything fast, and need tons of gold 3) You want to be the best player in a battle, and it is possible only in lower leagues And judging by your reaction it is quite possible that all three points might be, in fact, correct. So I am glad that you can soon buy all the equipment you want, get your ?bum-bum? kicked by other 12\12 players, and leave the game for good, complaining about "dishonest MM" and "Pixxonic ruining the game", because your posts are missing basic punctuation and decent formatting, making them pretty hard to read. P.s. oh, and it's "affected", not "effected" that should be used in your post. You are welcome. hahahahahahahaha, thanks for the luls
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Post by T34 on May 20, 2017 22:54:50 GMT -5
I got my anarchy rog thanks to the alternative approach too. Some other guy on the forum calculated that it would take 140 hors of play (=8 hours of game play per day) to get it usimg the common approach.
Did anyone get the rog using the common approach? If so how long did it take you?
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Post by T34 on May 20, 2017 23:00:02 GMT -5
Another question. If anyone out there was clubbed recently please respond and let us know how often it happens to you. Also let us know what gear u had and what the clubber had and along with the league it happened in.
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