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Post by Tatamat on May 19, 2017 3:36:08 GMT -5
Event is over, tankers are back with a vengeance, at least that's my experience. Single, double, whole clans. Very annoying. Dear Pixonic, putting them in a league on their own doesn't do a thing. Could you please, please, please have a system where they get a task like "win 20 combats to get out of jail" and, while doing that, they do not get any other daily task and, most importantly, DO NOT GET ANY MATCH GOLD? What's the point of "punishing" tankers and then let them earn possibly even more gold while they are put into random games? I've seen a note that LQ has been shut down and then restarted a week or so ago. That's why I hope that it's just LQ players trying to get back to LQ again. If it is so, we could soon see 6-6 matches soon.
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Post by chaosjunior on May 19, 2017 4:37:02 GMT -5
Event is over, tankers are back with a vengeance, at least that's my experience. Single, double, whole clans. Very annoying. Dear Pixonic, putting them in a league on their own doesn't do a thing. Could you please, please, please have a system where they get a task like "win 20 combats to get out of jail" and, while doing that, they do not get any other daily task and, most importantly, DO NOT GET ANY MATCH GOLD? What's the point of "punishing" tankers and then let them earn possibly even more gold while they are put into random games? I've seen a note that LQ has been shut down and then restarted a week or so ago. That's why I hope that it's just LQ players trying to get back to LQ again. If it is so, we could soon see 6-6 matches soon. I desperately hope so... Had 6 games today -> 6 losses, 5 of them because of tankers (only on my side of course...).
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Post by Russel on May 19, 2017 5:24:35 GMT -5
There are ways to tank and not get into LQ.Some tankers only tank to get into LQ,and probably most of them are high leveled players.If you get rid the incentives of some tankers going to LQ,then they'll just leave the LQ and tank while avoiding LQ,skrewing more players up without being penalized.I got to bronze just by playing for fun with wacky hangers and doing little to non contribution to the team and never got into LQ. Exactly. I am playing now with all the stuff I got from the event, and while it is FUN and I don't care much about my league standing, I've got all the way from D2 to G2. ... But... I have climbed from Gold2 to Gold1 last week, and chances are, I will hit D3 soon, because while I'm draining down, simultaneously I'm upgrading stuff and learning to pilot those Jesses and Docs better. So far, I am able to finish my daily tasks and even get some gold, occasionally. On the other hand, this might only indicate how bad players in iOS Gold are :-D
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Post by Tatamat on May 19, 2017 5:42:47 GMT -5
I've seen a note that LQ has been shut down and then restarted a week or so ago. That's why I hope that it's just LQ players trying to get back to LQ again. If it is so, we could soon see 6-6 matches soon. I desperately hope so... Had 6 games today -> 6 losses, 5 of them because of tankers (only on my side of course...). That sucks. Hold on, it won't be that bad forever.
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Post by Russel on May 19, 2017 6:18:03 GMT -5
...This happened to me in gold 1 or 2 many moons ago. Wow, you are a poet! 1. change your play objectives. Cap beacons or cause as much damage as you can or do both. you will notice a trend how your position goes up and down. other posts in the forum explain the reasoning. Yep, that's what I say. Get your 5th slot and put a beacon capper there. More gold, less damage = better matches. 2. buy stuff and upgrade. usually you will need RM since when you reach equilibrium your gold production will be very low. Oh, not really. Usually you just need TIME to upgrade your WP\silver stuff, it is good enough to get you all the way to Diamond\Expert.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on May 19, 2017 6:31:48 GMT -5
This bullcrap is right up there with prisoners claiming they like being in prison because they don't have any bills and their meals are cooked for them. I applaud you for making the best of the situation, but don't spew this crap around like it holds any weight. Wow talk about being arrogant and insulting...... Why don't you open you mind that people play games for different reasons? I play to play only not interested in leagues not interested in if I move up, not interested in different amount of gold or how much my avg damage is or any of the other 30 ways of scoring this game has. Where I play doesn't matter to me. If I win, I win, if I don't I don't. get over yourself dude and realize that the game isn't life and all of us look at it differently. So don't spew your crap thinking you know what other people think......it doesn't hold any weight. By the way what exactly would that mean? Hold weight in an internet forum? Really are you that type of guy that thinks something said on an internet forum would hold any weight anywhere in the real world or that everyone just must agree. Why would LQ be some sort of punishment, punishment to play a free game, wow sign me up. No, it's neither arrogant nor insulting. It's refusing to swallow the crap that you're serving. You are abusing the game. It's that simple. You are facing the consequences of abusing the game and negatively impacting other people's games with your selfish behavior. Furthermore, you don't care about how you're affecting other people, just so long as you get to play how you want to play. That, my friend, is arrogance. I can appreciate someone making the best of a bad situation. But trying to promote it like it's somehow better than playing the game the way it was meant to be played with honest, non-tanking players is bullcrap.
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Post by CharismaticReaper99 on May 19, 2017 6:35:29 GMT -5
Who wants to play chess? I just learned that's an option lol.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 19, 2017 7:05:56 GMT -5
I've seen a note that LQ has been shut down and then restarted a week or so ago. That's why I hope that it's just LQ players trying to get back to LQ again. If it is so, we could soon see 6-6 matches soon. I desperately hope so... Had 6 games today -> 6 losses, 5 of them because of tankers (only on my side of course...). Check the mercenaries thread n this forum, it helps forming squads of 6 that won't quit on you (well, unless they get sudden connection issues or freeze). For me, it helps a lot in the evening hours, while in the european day hours, unfortunately, there seem not to be so many mercs around to fill the empty slots of the clan squad.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on May 19, 2017 7:26:40 GMT -5
No, it's neither arrogant nor insulting. It's refusing to swallow the crap that you're serving. You are abusing the game. It's that simple. You are facing the consequences of abusing the game and negatively impacting other people's games with your selfish behavior. Furthermore, you don't care about how you're affecting other people, just so long as you get to play how you want to play. That, my friend, is arrogance. I can appreciate someone making the best of a bad situation. But trying to promote it like it's somehow better than playing the game the way it was meant to be played with honest, non-tanking players is bullcrap. See again, only your way of thinking, please look at what you are saying and what I'm saying before you start pointing out all the evils in life that I'm doing. You might just realize I'm not promoting anything except if you want to just play and not be all serious than go to LQ and it won't effect you as in you "serious" people. Hell if anything I'm trying to do you a favor, so please just think about it before the "I'm serving crap" statements when I'm saying something that would actually remove people from your "serious game" world........ stop and think about it.
If you stop and think about it....if I go to the LQ, and stay there on my own never trying to leave, I am WILLFULLY separating from those (you and others) that have a "a game is serious attitude" so that I DON"T RUIN YOUR game ....stop and think about it before saying somehow I'm ruining your game (unless you are in the LQ and think your not going to encounter tanking or leaving). I haven't ruined anyone's game since day 1 of the LQ came into effect, so stop saying I have. I'm not saying anything about people who tank in the "serious league", I'm saying fine separate us and I don't care, it's not a punishment, it's what I want, I want to play a game only, not get all serious about it. You have your way of thinking of the game as it is "serious" and I don't, I think it's nothing more than a game, a distraction from life. If they turn it all off right now.....my life is the same regardless, if I win or lose or get gold or don't get gold, my life is the same. So how am I ruining anyones game? people who are more serious about the game by staying in the LQ? Is it punishment, maybe if you think of it the way you do, but if you don't then it's not really a punishment because it's just a game. And many of us don't, I'm not alone in that thinking. So tell me again how I am selfish....tell me again how I'm facing a punishment. What exact punishment is it? Yes for someone like you, it probably would be a punishment (not saying you would do it, just an example), but for someone that doesn't take games as serious it's exactly what I want and many others too. I'm not promoting anything, except everyone should be able to play the way they want, it's a game, nothing more. If you can't handle that people have different outlooks on the seriousness of the game, then it's a very narrow outlook. Will it obviously have people that do it for nefarious reasons and cheat the system, of course nobody should think otherwise. You will always have that in any game, anything in life. You can't avoid it, but don't attribute it to all. No, you're wrong. It is not only my way of thinking, it is the rules of the game. ALL games have rules. Breaking said rules is cheating. The LQ wouldn't exist if everyone played by the rules. It's a truly brilliant concept by Pixonic to give the cheaters their own special playground instead of banning them outright. It keeps the cash flow coming in while removing the violators from the general population. What you keep saying here is that you don't care about the rules, and you're using the excuse of "it's just a game". Yes, it is just a game, but like every other game ever made, there are rules to this game. On behalf of the honest players who play by the rules, I thank you for removing yourself from our matches. Have fun playing amongst your own kind in the LQ, where our paths shall never cross.
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Post by sethile on May 19, 2017 7:59:17 GMT -5
Viva la LQ
I love it here. We won a 3v5 match today. Had a blast. It really helped for the event. I'm enjoying the gold and silver... working towards 12/12.. I'm having a hoot doing so.
Come to the dark side... we have hot chicks and cake...
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Post by orkanhappy on May 19, 2017 8:21:22 GMT -5
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Post by orkanhappy on May 19, 2017 8:22:40 GMT -5
Just had cdnrunner tanking, going through all his robots with no damage. FUDGE YOU, it was an intense game and we lost bcuz of you.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on May 19, 2017 8:49:33 GMT -5
No, you're wrong. It is not only my way of thinking, it is the rules of the game. ALL games have rules. Breaking said rules is cheating. The LQ wouldn't exist if everyone played by the rules. It's a truly brilliant concept by Pixonic to give the cheaters their own special playground instead of banning them outright. It keeps the cash flow coming in while removing the violators from the general population. What you keep saying here is that you don't care about the rules, and you're using the excuse of "it's just a game". Yes, it is just a game, but like every other game ever made, there are rules to this game. On behalf of the honest players who play by the rules, I thank you for removing yourself from our matches. Have fun playing amongst your own kind in the LQ, where our paths shall never cross. Ok not just your way of thinking and didn't mean to single you in any way, I'm trying be civil here, so don't take it personal ok not meaning It that way but when you pointedly accuse someone of ruining their game when I've gone out of my way to not ruin your game because I'm willing to take into account that you have different outlook on game. I also applaud all of you honest people, I do but don't see what your being so honest about. It's an online game that has abilities to play in the various ways, you consider it honest, some consider it just playing how the game allows you to play. As for "rules", perhaps a link to those rules? Just to point out that there aren't any rules written, only the way the game is designed and how people interpret that game play design, and as of now it's designed to allow many types of play. It's designed for squads, it's designed for clans, it's designed for someone to walk around in an unarmed Leo if they choose. Everyone referenced "rules", but really where are they? if they are than please send them everyone way. Ok I admit off the wall and I am sorry for that, but just an example how people can take things in life with different levels of seriousness. To me this is not real, this is an online free game that 30 seconds after each match ends, I don't generally every think about again until the next day when I return from work and play again. It's just difficult for those of us that think of the game as "a game' as more than that, just as it's just as difficult for you to think of it as otherwise. To me it is just a game, where it's not real so you can say "as designed" but if it was really that way, then they should do exactly what I always said and make it a team game completely from sign up. As long as their is ANY individual award, then it's not just a team game like you would want where everyone would think the same and play in same seriousness. Some people are honest simply for the sake of being honest. They like to know that they achieved their accomplishments by their own merit.
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Post by mechtout on May 19, 2017 9:49:51 GMT -5
No use arguing over it, you can see the game has already gone the way of the tankers by looking at the top players in Legends league. Just grid it out and get your bots maxed, and eventually you'll be above the where tankers want to be. In expert league I have not seen many short handed games (although there are some faders) so assuming Masters and Champions are better.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 19, 2017 12:42:40 GMT -5
No hating? You ruin my enjoyement and waste my limited free time by leaving me playing in an undermanned team, and I shouldn't hate? Are you for for real? And you try to blame the developers for YOUR behaviour too?
Not only I hate, I also wish your phone or tablet or whatever gets a crack for each time you ruin someone's game.
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Post by Insane Demon on May 19, 2017 12:48:31 GMT -5
No hating? You ruin my enjoyement and waste my limited free time by leaving me playing in an undermanned team, and I shouldn't hate? Are you for for real? And you try to blame the developers for YOUR behaviour too? Not only I hate, I also wish your phone or tablet or whatever gets a crack for each time you ruin someone's game.
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Post by make7upyours on May 19, 2017 13:01:05 GMT -5
Just want to chime in and say while tanking isn't against the rules, it's scummy behavior. It's scummy because you're putting your needs above others and are ?firetruck?ing people over. You can't argue that tanking doesn't affect other players in a negative way.
Like trying to purposely seduce and ?firetruck? someone else's wife. Not against the rules in most places, but most everyone will publicly agree it's bad behavior that should be discouraged.
So while not against the rules, tanking is wrong. Anyone disagreeing with this statement will never be able to offer anything but a selfish answer because it is a selfish act.
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Post by Russel on May 19, 2017 13:25:06 GMT -5
Just want to chime in and say while tanking isn't against the rules, it's scummy behavior. It's scummy because you're putting your needs above others and are ?firetruck?ing people over. You can't argue that tanking doesn't affect other players in a negative way. Like trying to purposely seduce and ?firetruck? someone else's wife. Not against the rules in most places, but most everyone will publicly agree it's bad behavior that should be discouraged. So while not against the rules, tanking is wrong. Anyone disagreeing with this statement will never be able to offer anything but a selfish answer because it is a selfish act. I think you've gone a little bit too far with that statement. To be clear: I never skip a map or tank, ever. Just to clear things up. I am now running hangar of lvl2-3 WW bots I've got from the event, because I like them. I am really trying my best, but pretty often I see that my bots are too weak to contribute. so in Yama it is a 90% loss for our team. Am I seducing somebody's else wife, too, by running upderpowered bots that I like?
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Post by make7upyours on May 19, 2017 13:58:09 GMT -5
Sorry you took offense but I feel my analogy is valid. I personally think this is kind of a gray area but will devil's advocate the argument. You, yourself have just admitted you choose to selfishly play low level bots, knowing it will likely cost your team the game. You can't say that's not selfish.
You're putting your personal desires above team play and above the respect for your team's time.
Seducing someone's wife is an analogy. You didn't actually do seduce anyone's wife. But you're purposefully disrespecting others for your personal agenda.
Again, no offense, just making a devil's advocate argument.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on May 19, 2017 13:59:34 GMT -5
Let's say it takes 6 musicians to play in a band. All the musicians must agree to play their part of the song. What happens when the drummer and lead guitarists simply play the first minute of the song then walk off the stage? Is that their "play style" or them being first class 「wee-wee」s?
Better yet, if both of these members show up with a Fisher Price drum and guitar, is that a 'style of play' that should be respected by the other band members?? Especially when they reasonably expected you to bring a proper instrument?
I really can't believe that something so basic; so absolutely self evident has to even be stated...
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Post by make7upyours on May 19, 2017 14:08:41 GMT -5
Let's say it takes 6 musicians to play in a band. All the musicians must agree to play their part of the song. What happens when the drummer and lead guitarists simply play the first minute of the song then walk off the stage? Is that their "play style" or them being first class ?wee-wee?s? Better yet, if both of these members show up with a Fisher Price drum and guitar, is that a 'style of play' that should be respected by the other band members?? Especially when they reasonably expected you to bring a proper instrument? I really can't believe that something so basic; so absolutely self evident has to even be stated... Perfect analogy.
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Post by Russel on May 19, 2017 14:09:05 GMT -5
Sorry you took offense but I feel my analogy is valid. I personally think this is kind of a gray area but will devil's advocate the argument. You, yourself have just admitted you choose to selfishly play low level bots, knowing it will likely cost your team the game. You can't say that's not selfish. You're putting your personal desires above team play and above the respect for your team's time. Seducing someone's wife is an analogy. You didn't actually do seduce anyone's wife. But you're purposefully disrespecting others for your personal agenda. I am not offended, sorry if that sounds like I am. I'm just trying to see where you are drawing the line. For me the line is the desire of players to bring overpowered bots to "kindergarden" league. Everything else is not pleasant, but this fact is the sole indicator of a cheating player for me. Okay, so another example - if a player is buying, say, Gepard instead of a Gareth (Gareth is definitely better choice, and is better contribution to a team) - does it make him a bad player in your eyes?
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Post by Russel on May 19, 2017 14:09:54 GMT -5
Let's say it takes 6 musicians to play in a band. All the musicians must agree to play their part of the song. What happens when the drummer and lead guitarists simply play the first minute of the song then walk off the stage? Is that their "play style" or them being first class ?wee-wee?s? Better yet, if both of these members show up with a Fisher Price drum and guitar, is that a 'style of play' that should be respected by the other band members?? Especially when they reasonably expected you to bring a proper instrument? I really can't believe that something so basic; so absolutely self evident has to even be stated... Perfect analogy. You guys clearly haven't been to any Jazz\Rap\Punk live concert.
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Post by make7upyours on May 19, 2017 14:16:27 GMT -5
In your example earlier you were using a newly acquired low level bot in a high level game. I feel that's doing your own team a disservice to use a level 1 bot/weapons when everyone else is using level 8 bots. If you have level 8 weapons though, that can be another story. If you're using the bot for a good purpose and are not trying to just have fun and not care about winning, it's not tanking IMO. Like your analogy of using a gepard instead of gareth; that's fine IMO. What if you're super good with gepard and it really suits your play style?
I think the point is how that messes with the entire performance in a negative way. Sometimes people tolerate it because it's an important enough person, but it's never a good thing.
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Post by Russel on May 19, 2017 14:26:53 GMT -5
In your example earlier you were using a newly acquired low level bot in a high level game. I feel that's doing your own team a disservice to use a level 1 bot/weapons when everyone else is using level 8 bots. If you have level 8 weapons though, that can be another story. If you're using the bot for a good purpose and are not trying to just have fun and not care about winning, it's not tanking IMO. Like your analogy of using a gepard instead of gareth; that's fine IMO. What if you're super good with gepard and it really suits your play style? I think the point is how that messes with the entire performance in a negative way. Sometimes people tolerate it because it's an important enough person, but it's never a good thing. Okay, so you must buy only bots that you are good at; Don't play in area where internet connectivity might be a problem; Don't play if you might need to leave a game in case something urgent happens (at the train station); Don't play and drink, because you know that it's decreasing your accuracy and reaction time; Don't take weapons\bots that are at lower level than the rest of hangar in battle Is this all, or there are more rules player must follow to play a game?
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Post by make7upyours on May 19, 2017 14:46:33 GMT -5
It's not so much rules, as it is common courtesy that should be observed. It's having respect for one another.
Like someone going 64MPH in the fast lane on the freeway when every car around them is going 75. It's like the example I brought up about seducing someone else's wife. They're not against the law, but you're actively affecting other people in a negative way.
Regarding this one. Is your bot so bad that you know there's a 75% chance you're going to lose? If so, then yeah you're going in fully aware of what you're doing to your team. My seducing someone's wife analogy fits perfectly here. You know she's married, but you're going after her anyways.
Speaking of this topic. I feel like this game needs both a casual and a ladder mode.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on May 19, 2017 15:44:44 GMT -5
Russel, No, now you're taking it to the extreme. The issue at hand is players deliberately sabotaging matches. The players who do this don't seem to think that they're doing anything wrong, even though they're also sabotaging the match for 5 other people every time they do this. Now, multiply the number of matches they've thrown by 5, and that's how many players they've screwed over for their own self-gratification. Then they show up in the forums and start endless flame wars in some sort of attempt to justify their self-serving juvenile behavior. How about this... if someone wants to be a [extremely vulgar profanity], that's their decision. Just own it.
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Post by Russel on May 19, 2017 15:47:34 GMT -5
It's not so much rules, as it is common courtesy that should be observed. It's having respect for one another. Like someone going 64MPH in the fast lane on the freeway when every car around them is going 75. It's like the example I brought up about seducing someone else's wife. They're not against the law, but you're actively affecting other people in a negative way. Regarding this one. Is your bot so bad that you know there's a 75% chance you're going to lose? If so, then yeah you're going in fully aware of what you're doing to your team. My seducing someone's wife analogy fits perfectly here. You know she's married, but you're going after her anyways. Speaking of this topic. I feel like this game needs both a casual and a ladder mode. If I would be forcing rules upon War Robots, I would force the following commandments: - Sniper shalt guard a beacon, to keep it holy
- Thou shalt read win conditions and understand why beacons are important
- Thou shalt not abuse lower leagues with both bots AND experience
- Thou shalt not skip maps
- Thou shalt not covet neighbour's wife
- Thou shalt help to encircle the enemy, who hides behind a building
- Thou shalt not leave home beacon uncapped
- Thou shalt not start a game with intention to loose
And everything else is legit.
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Post by Russel on May 19, 2017 15:52:53 GMT -5
Russel , No, now you're taking it to the extreme. The issue at hand is players deliberately sabotaging matches. The players who do this don't seem to think that they're doing anything wrong, even though they're also sabotaging the match for 5 other people every time they do this. Now, multiply the number of matches they've thrown by 5, and that's how many players they've screwed over for their own self-gratification. Then they show up in the forums and start endless flame wars in some sort of attempt to justify their self-serving juvenile behavior. How about this... if someone wants to be a [extremely vulgar profanity], that's their decision. Just own it. I don't like player sabotaging matches. And I think that people who are sealclubbing are just overcompensating for something in life. Or, most probably, they bought Bots\Equipment and don't know what to do with it. But MM put them into higher league that their abilities, due to that equipment and ability to take A LOT of hits while their teammates doing all the work. However, I think that if somebody wants to move to lower league because he likes it there; Or player want to get to LQ and play there; Or you are just relaxing and playing it slow with just Hydra\Zenit\KangDae Or (me, for example) testing out a lot of new equipment to find out what's what Then you are doing nothing wrong. As long as you are NOT deliberately sabotaging matches, and NOT abusing children\new players down the leagues. Do you agree with this?
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on May 19, 2017 16:03:14 GMT -5
Russel , No, now you're taking it to the extreme. The issue at hand is players deliberately sabotaging matches. The players who do this don't seem to think that they're doing anything wrong, even though they're also sabotaging the match for 5 other people every time they do this. Now, multiply the number of matches they've thrown by 5, and that's how many players they've screwed over for their own self-gratification. Then they show up in the forums and start endless flame wars in some sort of attempt to justify their self-serving juvenile behavior. How about this... if someone wants to be a [extremely vulgar profanity], that's their decision. Just own it. I don't like player sabotaging matches. And I think that people who are sealclubbing are just overcompensating for something in life. Or, most probably, they bought Bots\Equipment and don't know what to do with it. But MM put them into higher league that their abilities, due to that equipment and ability to take A LOT of hits while their teammates doing all the work. However, I think that if somebody wants to move to lower league because he likes it there; Or player want to get to LQ and play there; Or you are just relaxing and playing it slow with just Hydra\Zenit\KangDae Or (me, for example) testing out a lot of new equipment to find out what's what Then you are doing nothing wrong. As long as you are NOT deliberately sabotaging matches, and NOT abusing children\new players down the leagues. Do you agree with this? I absolutely agree. The only thing I don't agree with is that the matchmaker would place a crap player in a higher league than they should be in, and the player needs to rectify that by tanking. If a player has a streak of good luck that places them higher than they should be, they will promptly lose enough matches to put them back down where they belong. They don't need to take matters into their own hands.
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