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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 18, 2017 7:16:55 GMT -5
Event is over, tankers are back with a vengeance, at least that's my experience.
Single, double, whole clans. Very annoying.
Dear Pixonic, putting them in a league on their own doesn't do a thing.
Could you please, please, please have a system where they get a task like "win 20 combats to get out of jail" and, while doing that, they do not get any other daily task and, most importantly, DO NOT GET ANY MATCH GOLD?
What's the point of "punishing" tankers and then let them earn possibly even more gold while they are put into random games?
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Post by Domino on May 18, 2017 8:25:12 GMT -5
I agree. More needs to be done. They know it's an issue, so its only a matter of time. In the meantime keep playing and see you on the battle field.
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Post by Vectivus on May 18, 2017 8:26:35 GMT -5
Ayup. Won't last forever.
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Post by Sybill on May 18, 2017 9:02:34 GMT -5
There is no way to ride a dead horse.
The only and propper way to improve the situation is to fix the broken match-maker eventually.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 18, 2017 9:12:39 GMT -5
There is no way to ride a dead horse. The only and propper way to improve the situation is to fix the broken match-maker eventually. Oh please, there is no MM that cannot be exploited, one way or the other. The previous one was, this was, the next will be as well.
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Post by 0ppressor on May 18, 2017 9:27:09 GMT -5
Said it before, will say it again:
No gold for wins in leagues lower than your highest, but continue to receive gold for dailies to entice people to stay in their leagues.
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Post by porcupyne on May 18, 2017 9:32:23 GMT -5
Removing rewards? Hey, some of us are in there permanently and have played legit to get out without success.
Screwing over the people who are being screwed over hardly seems like a fine solution, especially because the tanker「go solo」ers you're mewling about are the ones who are able to leave pool after playing 'nice'.
Tanking/fading/sandbagging will exist as long as a system exists where the lower your rating, regardless of your hanger or skill, the weaker your opponents and the higher your rewards.
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Post by Domino on May 18, 2017 9:56:50 GMT -5
They need to implement a warning system first. So people actually know what's about to happen.
Warning 1: "Warning!!! You have dropped 3 games, if you drop 4 more games in the next 30 days, you will enter the LQ, in the LQ you will not receive rewards"
Warning 2: "Warning!!! If you drop 1 more game, in the next X days, you will enter the LQ"
Otherwise how will people even know
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Post by 0ppressor on May 18, 2017 9:59:08 GMT -5
emoving rewards? Hey, some of us are in there permanently and have played legit to get out without success.Screwing over the people who are being screwed over hardly seems like a fine solution, especially because the tanker「go solo」ers you're mewling about are the ones who are able to leave pool after playing 'nice'. Tanking/fading/sandbagging will exist as long as a system exists where the lower your rating, regardless of your hanger or skill, the weaker your opponents and the higher your rewards. While my gut reaction is to Ron Burgandy "I Don't Believe You" pic this, I do agree that there should be a notification as to your entering, and leaving the LQ due to your actions as even someone such as myself, who has never been in the LQ, could easily think they were in the LQ with the number of Leavers and AFKers that have sprung back up since the event's end. Still not really buying that you've never been able to get out of the LQ though.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on May 18, 2017 10:05:21 GMT -5
if you are in the LQ you should not be able to squad. Play your way out, and earn back the privilege to do so.
No rewards and no squading out is probably enough to deter most of it.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on May 18, 2017 13:49:49 GMT -5
Removing rewards? Hey, some of us are in there permanently and have played legit to get out without success. Screwing over the people who are being screwed over hardly seems like a fine solution, especially because the tanker「go solo」ers you're mewling about are the ones who are able to leave pool after playing 'nice'. Tanking/fading/sandbagging will exist as long as a system exists where the lower your rating, regardless of your hanger or skill, the weaker your opponents and the higher your rewards. You seem to be confused. You are not being screwed over. You are facing the consequences of screwing over other people. You didn't get dumped in the LQ for being an upstanding citizen. You are on the receiving end of karmic justice. It has been stated by Pixonic that the amount of fair play to get out of the LQ is in direct proportion to the amount of tanking you did to get placed there. If you've played a lot of games honestly amd still haven't gotten out, then it means you've screwed over more people than you realize. Don't try to make youself the victim here.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on May 18, 2017 13:54:13 GMT -5
Why leave, if it's more fun even when losing? This bullcrap is right up there with prisoners claiming they like being in prison because they don't have any bills and their meals are cooked for them. I applaud you for making the best of the situation, but don't spew this crap around like it holds any weight.
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Post by arakos on May 18, 2017 14:01:13 GMT -5
LQ isn't tankers queue. It's leavers queue. There are plenty of tankers (clans as well) in NQ. And there will be more of them when LQ rewards are penalized.
Arakos
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 18, 2017 14:27:41 GMT -5
Removing rewards? Hey, some of us are in there permanently and have played legit to get out without success. Screwing over the people who are being screwed over hardly seems like a fine solution, especially because the tanker「go solo」ers you're mewling about are the ones who are able to leave pool after playing 'nice'. Tanking/fading/sandbagging will exist as long as a system exists where the lower your rating, regardless of your hanger or skill, the weaker your opponents and the higher your rewards. With a "win 20 combats" you'd know you are in the LQ (which some people mention as a problem), you'd get out of there eventually and you would know how far from it you are. Don't see how you'd be screwed. Besides, if you ended up in the LQ you have screwed up dozens of players in the process, you want sympathy now?
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Post by SoCalGrndR on May 18, 2017 14:45:33 GMT -5
Anyone that is saying its ok! OR its allowed?!? Sorry..... you are full of 「dookie」!!!!! You screw over other pilots and YOU KNOW IT..... If you get put in the LQ, so be it. You got their screwing over other pilots. Play the game as intended and this would not be a consequence!
I think we need to create a POLL and what rewards (if any) should be given to the LQ. Lets see what the forum thinks is proper!
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Post by porcupyne on May 18, 2017 16:10:01 GMT -5
Leaving battles where I'm outnumbered two or more to one. Leaving Silver League battles where Experts and Masters invade with a full hanger of 12/12 bots?
And there's no way I left more than a thousand times in a couple of weeks. As others have pointed out, some of us have just been permed in the place for no real reason while others are free to tank, return to normal play and sealclub with impunity.
Yeah, everyone in tanker hell is a real rotter. Still it beats playing with knee jerk idiots.
Try not to break your arm with that self righteous jerk off you're pounding out.
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Post by make7upyours on May 18, 2017 16:21:34 GMT -5
People tanking is ruining the new player experience. I'm 1 month into the game. I've been in silver since my first week but am still stuck at 1200. It's ridiculous how I am not able to progress.
How is it I'm able to make it to 1100 in less than 1 week but I'm not able to break 1250 in 3+ weeks. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 am I supposed to do?
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Post by gr3ygh05t on May 18, 2017 18:00:05 GMT -5
People tanking is ruining the new player experience. I'm 1 month into the game. I've been in silver since my first week but am still stuck at 1200. It's ridiculous how I am not able to progress. How is it I'm able to make it to 1100 in less than 1 week but I'm not able to break 1250 in 3+ weeks. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 am I supposed to do? I don't know. Let me see, get 5th slot? buy more gold bots and weapons? get better at the game? tank? don't tank? Vote republican? You have plenty of options.
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Post by T34 on May 18, 2017 18:55:01 GMT -5
if you see so many tankers you are in the tankers queue your self. plain simple.
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Post by War Child on May 18, 2017 19:25:07 GMT -5
There are ways to tank and not get into LQ.Some tankers only tank to get into LQ,and probably most of them are high leveled players.If you get rid the incentives of some tankers going to LQ,then they'll just leave the LQ and tank while avoiding LQ,skrewing more players up without being penalized.I got to bronze just by playing for fun with wacky hangers and doing little to non contribution to the team and never got into LQ.
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Post by T34 on May 18, 2017 23:04:41 GMT -5
if you quit the game at the start in anyway or if you just stay in it without dropping in my experience tells me that the LQ awaits. if you fade you will not end up there. but that time wasting.
Make7upyours: once you hit silver the points awarded for wins and losses change. also once the MM stabilises you at a 50/50 win loss rate, you have reached equilibrium. at that stage you will gain as many points as you lose over time and your progression will be extremely slow. your will generally be ranked in the middle of the table for wins and losses. this happened to me in gold 1 or 2 many moons ago. I was so frustrated. had like 10 easy games(wins) than 10 wipe outs. this went in a cycle. nothing I could do about it. but here are some options: 1. change your play objectives. Cap beacons or cause as much damage as you can or do both. you will notice a trend how your position goes up and down. other posts in the forum explain the reasoning. 2. buy stuff and upgrade. usually you will need RM since when you reach equilibrium your gold production will be very low. 3. very limited tanking or fading (like less than 10 games)basically you chose when you lose and not the match maker. when I was in the above cycle I could do absolutely nothing about the loosing streaks. NOTHING. had like 12 in a succession at times. when my Cossack jumped and it was dead b4 hitting the ground I knew what stage of the cycle I was in. it was an utter waste of time. so frustrating to sit there for an hour two and do nothing but lose one game after another and goi9ng nowhere. 4. go into the LQ. lots about it in the forums. how to get in and out and stuff. But a word of advise. if you haven't got gold bots and gold / wsp weapons (levelled) with 4 slots you will be wiped out so quick that you wont even realise what hit you. its a place to absolutely avoid. I was in battles with 5 ancilots marching down shenzhen. TT/Zeus Furies on open maps pound the other team. if you don't know the wrath of a TT/Zeus Fury steer clear of this option as you will be the "rest" that makes up the numbers and who get prayed on for the benefit of the medium to big boys.
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Post by Insane Demon on May 18, 2017 23:12:36 GMT -5
if you see so many tankers you are in the tankers queue your self. plain simple. MTE (my thoughts exactly). Where are all these tankers when I'm playing???
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Post by T34 on May 18, 2017 23:20:19 GMT -5
I love it when the whole red team tanks. run for the first beacon and clear the weapons. 10 golds in 15 sec :-)
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Post by amoebastudios on May 18, 2017 23:38:51 GMT -5
You're seeing all these tankers ruining your game because you're in the tanker's league.
Do you really want these people back in the normal league? Are they going to magically "play the way it's meant to" because they re-enter NQ to resume earning gold? No, these players will be finding other ways to drop rank like fading and ruin your games even longer. The result will be worse, I guarantee it.
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Post by mechtout on May 18, 2017 23:47:32 GMT -5
Pix can barely fix a game bug, you want them to police the game too?
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Post by Insane Demon on May 19, 2017 0:05:21 GMT -5
Pix can barely fix a game bug, you want them to police the game too? Lmaooo
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Post by T34 on May 19, 2017 0:14:00 GMT -5
I really don't think tankers ruin many games at all. when I am in the NQ I hardly ever see any (with the exception of the following). the only time I start seeing them is when my win percentage goes over 65% and the MM puts in tankers. yes the MM knows who they are and does that as a favour for your good work. ahhh, the MM is also nice enough to give you some 12/12 reds when your win percentage is high. and if that is still not enough it will fill up the blue team with Cossacks and destriers and drop in the bots late. eventually you will be beaten down no matter what you do. your team will have two tankers, 3 Cossacks and you with 3 players dropped in at 9:10. the red bit bots will be sipping tea at the 2 nearest beacons b4 you realise what is going on. the MM is the supreme manipulator of the system. but when you think about it has to do this to ensure your long term average is 50/50. it was designed for that.
and IMO pro tankers do not leave the LQ. they love it there. iam willing to bet that the MM can pull them out of it when the services of heavy hitting bots are requreid to squash someone with a high win % in the NQ. I strongly suspect this.
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Post by T34 on May 19, 2017 0:59:21 GMT -5
great response eyepfreely
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 19, 2017 1:11:26 GMT -5
You're seeing all these tankers ruining your game because you're in the tanker's league. Nonsense. Never left a game (including those I'm outnumbered 2 to 1), never skipped a map, my damage is fluctuating within a band of 100k, my win rate is staying between 50% and 68% and, besides the games MM totally acts insane using me as a filler for games of masters and champions (which, apparently, is WAD), the opponents are about my tier, rather than 12/12 hangar sporting silver and bronze. There's no way I, and other, see tankers because we are in the LQs with this playing behaviour. And yet, about one third of my games I see 5-6, 4-6 and 4-5 setups. It sounds a bit childish to go with "you see cheats because you are a cheater", don't know if it was meant to sound like that or it just came down like that. Oh, also, the idea that the MM actually can select tankers and throw them at you when your win% is too high, and gives your team light hangars as well to ensure you lose, sounds to me as player paranoia, sorry. The MM would have to calculate that for 12 players involved, cross referencing and putting all those with high % win on one side, which is never the case.
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Post by T34 on May 19, 2017 1:43:22 GMT -5
if that is the case than apologies. in general if u r seeing tankers you are in the LQ. I am not a big blogger but have a look and I do not abuse players or try to put them down. at least I try my best not to.
but as an added note: if your win percentage is high the MM will do all that stuff as I wrote above to beat you down. I went through the cycle and the trend was identical. its like clockwork. the MM is actually well designed to do what it has to do by pix.if your win % goes under 40% u will get tankers no mater which queue you are in. that's a fact. weather the MM pulls people out of the LQ is really irrelevant bc u will end up with a 12/12 anyway. but I am definite that I saw some guys from the LQ amongst the reds when I was in the NQ. when a guy has a name something ||||"name of a country"||||| and leads with the red Gary - that cant be mistaken. I am not paranoid as I really don't care where the reds are pulled from. I am one of those who is happy in the LQ as in the NQ.
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