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Post by War Child on May 20, 2017 23:00:16 GMT -5
Tankers league is awesome. I never would of won the Anarchy Rogatka during the event if it wasn't for the help of TL. I moved up 4 leagues and am enjoying the free gold. My win percentage is above 70%. TL is the best thing to ever happen besides the original MM. What levels do you use?I have a part of me who wants the taste of gold and variety,but my other part fears the beat down I will take by doing so.
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Post by Vectivus on May 20, 2017 23:05:34 GMT -5
The more people insist on tanking, the harsher Pix will be on it, to the point that eventually bans will start.
I can't wait. If y'all who prefer the LQ continue to do your thing and insist it's fine, the bans will just happen sooner.
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Post by lilryry on May 20, 2017 23:11:09 GMT -5
The more people insist on tanking, the harsher Pix will be on it, to the point that eventually bans will start. I can't wait. If y'all who prefer the LQ continue to do your thing and insist it's fine, the bans will just happen sooner. o look, someone else butt hurt over things that don't affect them...stop being so jealous, it's not s good look
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Post by lilryry on May 20, 2017 23:12:18 GMT -5
Tankers league is awesome. I never would of won the Anarchy Rogatka during the event if it wasn't for the help of TL. I moved up 4 leagues and am enjoying the free gold. My win percentage is above 70%. TL is the best thing to ever happen besides the original MM. careful, people around here will get jealous of the gold you're getting and start flaming you for it
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Post by Vectivus on May 20, 2017 23:18:23 GMT -5
The more people insist on tanking, the harsher Pix will be on it, to the point that eventually bans will start. I can't wait. If y'all who prefer the LQ continue to do your thing and insist it's fine, the bans will just happen sooner. o look, someone else butt hurt over things that don't affect them...stop being so jealous, it's not s good look Hide and watch, little boy. :-) It'll happen.
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Post by Dredd77 on May 21, 2017 0:01:15 GMT -5
The more people insist on tanking, the harsher Pix will be on it, to the point that eventually bans will start. I can't wait. If y'all who prefer the LQ continue to do your thing and insist it's fine, the bans will just happen sooner. o look, someone else butt hurt over things that don't affect them...stop being so jealous, it's not s good look Caution for tone. Keep going, and it's a complimentary ticket to Strikesville.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on May 21, 2017 0:03:35 GMT -5
Wow I don't know where to start on this one sooooooooo I'll just say instead that how you view the history of slavery and women's right vis a vis map skipping is stunning.
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2017 1:04:35 GMT -5
War child. I unintentionally got in there about 6 to 8 ish weeks ago for the first time (time approx as can't remember exactly).. I was capping beacons in gold 1 and 2 with 3 Cossacks and 1 Gepard. That was the fastest way to generate gold. noticed the savage win loss cycle and decided to tank the perceived loss cycle. My reasoning was that I will lose anyway so make it happen quick. At that time I didn't look at the forums and wasn't aware of all this stuff.. Bang in there I was. Now I run a close to 9/9 battle hanger with 1 lance, 1 Gareth, 1 one gala, 1 TT fury and my fav the rog. Got a beacon hanger as well and 5 slots. Very little gambling during the event where II won a stalker. Played a lot tho. In the tankers league Or leavers queue what ever u wanna call it I am usually in the top 3 and usually get the most beacons. Currently win percentage is sitting at 76%. Do the math.
Noticed that updates and I think league ends reset parameters. That's the best time to try it as u will be out of it with the reset.
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Post by Russel on May 21, 2017 2:17:25 GMT -5
Oh my ))) Are you REALLY saying that all the problems will be fixed just by giving more money to people? Actually yes. It removes the incentive. Are you saying that you read my post and didn't understand it? Oh my :))) Well, giving a lot of money\good for free is never a good idea. You can check out how it is usually going in a real worlds here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt–Igoeand here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun
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Post by Russel on May 21, 2017 2:22:26 GMT -5
Tuning in late and I've missed quite a bit. Really like the discourse on page 2 which goes south page 3 but all in all well reasoned, articulate, and considerate. I think page 2 should be a model of how forums members should conduct themselves (exempting myself of course). I mostly disagree with you Russel but you make a good argument. Thank you. I respect every opinion out there, and love people who are open to change theirs. And I can change my opinion too, based on facts. Most often if you listen to other person and understand their reasoning you could both change yourselves for good.
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Post by Russel on May 21, 2017 2:23:17 GMT -5
Tuning in late and I've missed quite a bit. Really like the discourse on page 2 which goes south page 3 but all in all well reasoned, articulate, and considerate. I think page 2 should be a model of how forums members should conduct themselves (exempting myself of course). I mostly disagree with you Russel but you make a good argument. Russel is the one who suggested locking hangars during a whole season, right???? Lmao 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 are you guys smoking... I believe you got my suggestion wrong; please tag the post you think I might suggest that.
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Post by Russel on May 21, 2017 2:30:37 GMT -5
Can I start with: It’s a good thread and read whats happeing. here I go again. War Robots is just a game. I know games can inflame passions but it’s a game at the end of the day There are no simple solutions bc 1. Pix needs to make money. No money -> No Pix -> No game. 2. Pix has limited resources and cant do everything. Worth also considering that they also have access to survey results and know stats about how the game is going. We don’t. Personal opinion – they are rather good and offer a better product than MANY others out there. Try and get ahead in Asphalt8 without spending RM or not hacking the game. I will buy a premium or something soon not bc I need it but to show my support for pix. 3. IMO for me personally the NQ is flawed as getting ahead is extremely difficult. However if one plays the game for just fun there is nothing wrong with it. If you want to go up the ranks and build a 12/12 hanger than forget the NQ unless you are willing to spend RM or want to play the game for an eternity. If you see a tanker in the NQ and you lose because of that guy - so what. The MM will eventually beat you to a 50/50 position with or without tankers, with or without clubbers, irrespective of your bot levels, irrespective of your weapons levels, irrespective of your skill level…(high level sustained squadding is the only exception). Try and tank 100 games and you will find that your win loss will still be in the 40% range and sometimes even over 50%. You will not drop below bronze for sustained periods). Only exception is squad tanking. That’s how it is. 4. Over all - the LQ is not bad for several reasons. In summary it provides for the following • Removes the tankers in most part from the NQ • Randomness of game play • Offers people to face opposition of different levels (eg I was so happy to beat a guy one on one who had a 12/12 ancilot from champions 1 with my 9/9 ancilot). • Offers shorter games and removes the intenseness of the gameplay in NQ (variety is good) • No heavy handed interference from the MM • Ability to move up the ranks (NQ = steady state in most part). Also I am not sure if the leagues have any relevance anymore. • Rewards are greater (pix wont like this but plays should not care) • Gives the ability for clubbers to club (note: I am not trying to argue the merits of this). And why people club - more AU, more AG or the pleasure derived from doing it. Increasing NQ rewards is not a solution as financially it would not benefit Pix and the rewards of the alternate game play are greater even if you totally remove rewards from the LQ. And if rewards are removed from the LQ than people will very quickly find a way to overcome the issue. Without a totally random MM there will be a loophole. See the random MM in LQ. • There are those that love finding loopholes in games. Eg working out alternatives to normal play. The shear endeavour of working it out. • If pix leaves the rewards as they are in NQ and say somehow they manage to eliminate alternate options than people will leave the game in droves as getting ahead will be extremely slow without spending RM. (ps. Wont affect me bc I have no such financial constraints but I am certain that most do or are not willing to spend RM for various reasons). Fewer people -> less revenue -> poorer game play -> bad outcome. In a partial way this is a rogue and immature game in some ways. Different play alternatives, things to work out in it, sometimes you cry sometimes you simile, pleasure fighting with robots against people diffeerernt tactics and strategies…… that’s why I like it. I am not sure if I would be here if it wasn’t so. To those who don’t like this go and play asphalt 8, slither io or candy crush (not meant in derogatory way but in a way todemonstrte what mature games look like). Boooooooooooring IMO And for tankers and clubbers who get ahead faster than normal please consider buying something to give back to the game. Even if it’s a small gesture. And now tell me how deranged I am ? Well, after listening to some guys about LQ I've changed my opinion somehow; So I think that if person want to play erratically, only on maps he\she\it (being politically correct he, am I, Insane Demon?) likes, then let one. It is players who are abusing low-level players with their high-level hangars continuously I don't quite get. ESPECIALLY if they are doing that to get more gold. I experienced myself playing in all-silver gear, and it is quite pleasant and possible. Also, Gold income is adequate in this game, with all that free gold Pixx is giving away (just recently you could upload a video of yourself playing War Robots for 200 gold, did you guys knew that?). So I see no reason for gold farming at all. And I think if one want to play recklessly - then another button "play without rules" or something be added to a game, and by clicking that you will be taken directly into LQ without incentives and without any punishments. I personally would like to get there for a battle or two, see how I stand against 12\12 top players. P.s oh, and about "giving PIxx some money" - yep, I am with you on that =) I don't like buying my way into games, but after 3 months of free and quality play I felt it just fair to spend some of my hard earned $ for a chest spins.
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Post by Russel on May 21, 2017 2:35:36 GMT -5
I got my anarchy rog thanks to the alternative approach too. Some other guy on the forum calculated that it would take 140 hors of play (=8 hours of game play per day) to get it usimg the common approach. Did anyone get the rog using the common approach? If so how long did it take you? Pretty. Damn. Long. I was not playing "normally", I was using all-lights hangar for "beacons", capturing beacons recklessly and leaving after all my bots were destroyed, and was hunting for a weakest red during "kill" tasks. I got Rog just 1.5 days prior to the end of the event. Played for 4~6 hours per day (or should I say per night?). The first 4 stages were done in one day, and Ancile task was the worst for my liking.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 2:43:46 GMT -5
war Child I don't win that much gold in the LQ since they're is no leagues and you play everyone no matter the equipment. I constantly play against Androids top player and it's really fun to know that I can hang even if I don't win. People on here have it all wrong. The Tankers league has absolutely no Tankers in it. The Tankers are still in the regular leagues trying to drop down to face noobs. They stay in games and purposely do nothing to force a loss and keep dropping leagues. The Tankers League is actually called the Leaves Queue and it's for people who want the freedom to skip maps since Dixonic won't allow you to select maps. Drop in on a large map and there is hardly anyone. Drop in on the small maps and it's usually always 6 vs 6. Us 'leavers' do not want the 'tankers' in our league. It's super competitive and a ton of fun and we don't need people ruining our games. Lastly.. people on here keep talking about rules and how they need to be followed. At one point in history it was completely legal to own another human being (slavery) and a certain sex was considered inferior (women). By law the slaves were considered to be property as were the women. You could beat them, ?grape? them, kill them and by law it was considered ok since it was your property. It wasn't until people who could actually read between the lines stepped up and changed the rules. That's kind of what the LQ is like. We our not tankers, we are gamers who want certain abilities. We want the ability to pick our own maps. We want our win percentage to actually be a reflection of our work and not predetermined to be kept around 50%. Some rules were meant to be broken. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 man... Don't bring up slavery and 「grape」 and compare it to a quitters queue of a 「gosh darn 」 mobile game. The 「fluffernutter」 is wrong with you?
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2017 3:41:38 GMT -5
I think Pix has unintentionally stumbled onto something good and something that has a market with the LQ. Russel, great idea about the go to LQ button where an unbarred no rules contest is fought out. Tell ya what, I had the most memorable batttles in there for various reasons. And they involved the big boys with big toys. I don't really agree with no rewards tho bc I think battles there should be rewarded too. Maybe redistribute the 14 golds so that all share on the winning team. This way u wouldn't just have 12/12s hanging out there but all can pop in and have go. And those that continuously tank should be in there without the easy button to get out. What would it achieve? - extra dimension to the game - stop the unreasonable gold gain - reduce the clubbing (those who club for the love of it will still be doing their stuff but others will not have as many reasons for doing it or need to do it) - caters for those that like randomness - allows lower players to see whats in store if they progress - provides hanger advice. Eg one will quickly learn what weapons and bots are useful in higher game play
And yes. All those who love the game and have played for a while should contribute real money. If u can't afford much give them a little bit here and there. For pix it all adds up and becomes a win win for all.
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2017 3:44:03 GMT -5
Ah. Last two players should not get gold as that opens things for abuse.
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Post by Alanbit on May 21, 2017 3:53:43 GMT -5
Well, the point is that PEOPLE TANK.
Why are so many tankers? That's the real question. And the answer is not of the simple "you do it because you're bad, you don't do it because your good" type.
Maybe Pixonic should consider this: If aaaaalllll these players are tanking, even to forced us to create a LQ to keep them separated, could it be that the league system is not working?
I hope that in future updates Pixonic really carry out the trasparency commitment. There's a lot of confusion about the LQ and how to get there. They have a "abandon battle button" and no warnings, even you see respected youtubers skipping maps just to avoid some maps.
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2017 4:04:02 GMT -5
Skip 15-25 games and u r in the LQ. The league system has limited relevance due to the MM and the tanking.
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Post by Alanbit on May 21, 2017 4:08:21 GMT -5
Skip 15-25 games and u r in the LQ. The league system has limited relevance due to the MM and the tanking. OK, I'll put it in other words. Did you have the same amount of tankers in the tier-based system? I hope veterans could help to answer this.
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2017 4:09:26 GMT -5
With a diamond level gear and a good tanking method you could be anywhere in the league from recruit to masters. Problem is that if ur clan mates are say mostly in gold and you are in masters than no one is gonna squad with you.
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2017 4:10:25 GMT -5
Sorry I wasn't around when the old system was in effect.
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Post by hyderier on May 21, 2017 4:22:32 GMT -5
There is no way to ride a dead horse. The only and propper way to improve the situation is to fix the broken match-maker eventually. The only fix is to reward winning all the time. This would be easy to implement using some kind of league system, where every battle contributed to rising or sinking in league rankings, and then basing rewards on league level... Pix almost got it, but then they got the reward part 「bum-bum」-backwards, and topped the mess with MM which apparently causes win and lose streaks, instead of just matching within a league or a league point range with no extra factors.
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2017 4:43:24 GMT -5
We could all be wrong and just be part of a loud minority group. Most players may like the current MM
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Post by Russel on May 21, 2017 5:36:19 GMT -5
We could all be wrong and just be part of a loud minority group. Most players may like the current MM I like it very much. And I believe that all who tank now was sealclubbing then. And rant for the most part because tanking is so much harder then previous sealclubbing. Old system was good for playing with your newbie friends, though. I like idea of LQ, just don't like idea of "I MUST BE GETTING HOARDS OF GOLD EVERY BATTLE I PLAY JUST BECAUSE I SAID SO". But you do understand that giving gold everyone in LQ would make people abuse system yet more? The first idea that I can came up with is getting into battle, and leaving right away.
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Post by lilryry on May 21, 2017 5:51:30 GMT -5
o look, someone else butt hurt over things that don't affect them...stop being so jealous, it's not s good look Caution for tone. Keep going, and it's a complimentary ticket to Strikesville. this has nothing to do with how LQ was supposed to discourage tanking/leaving...would love to hear the answer...
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Post by lilryry on May 21, 2017 5:57:36 GMT -5
o look, someone else butt hurt over things that don't affect them...stop being so jealous, it's not s good look Hide and watch, little boy. :-) It'll happen. im sure it will and guess what...everyone will move onto the next thing for you to 「female dog」 about
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Post by Alanbit on May 21, 2017 6:23:55 GMT -5
And rant for the most part because tanking is so much harder then previous sealclubbing. Old system was good for playing with your newbie friends, though. I like idea of LQ, just don't like idea of "I MUST BE GETTING HOARDS OF GOLD EVERY BATTLE I PLAY JUST BECAUSE I SAID SO". But you do understand that giving gold everyone in LQ would make people abuse system yet more? The first idea that I can came up with is getting into battle, and leaving right away. Disagree. Now you can sealclub with your max hangar. Before you had to buy with gold a bunch of gepards. LQ, in essence, is not a bad idea. The problem is that a lot of people gets ditched there, those who seal club and those who don't. The problem is the criterion to the sifting. Agree that seal clubbers don't deserve gold in LQ. But what about people trapped there by escaping the seal clubbers, skipping maps, connection issues, and so on?
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Post by Russel on May 21, 2017 6:36:38 GMT -5
And rant for the most part because tanking is so much harder then previous sealclubbing. Old system was good for playing with your newbie friends, though. I like idea of LQ, just don't like idea of "I MUST BE GETTING HOARDS OF GOLD EVERY BATTLE I PLAY JUST BECAUSE I SAID SO". But you do understand that giving gold everyone in LQ would make people abuse system yet more? The first idea that I can came up with is getting into battle, and leaving right away. Disagree. Now you can sealclub with your max hangar. Before you had to buy with gold a bunch of gepards. LQ, in essence, is not a bad idea. The problem is that a lot of people gets ditched there, those who seal club and those who don't. The problem is the criterion to the sifting. Agree that seal clubbers don't deserve gold in LQ. But what about people trapped there by escaping the seal clubbers, skipping maps, connection issues, and so on? Not sure we are on same page here. 1) sealclubbing then. Buy lvl1 Gepards, put magnums on, PROFIT! 2) sealclubbing now. Leave, tank, sabotage, sabotage, leave, tank. You need to loose at least 60 games to get down. Then you win some - you move up, and need to leave/tank/sabotage games more. A lot of time needed now. On LQ - I've said that many times - I think people who like it there due to lack of rules are ok. And should not be punished in any way. But the ones who sealclub there - they should be.
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2017 6:57:02 GMT -5
Hey Russel, that's why I said no gold for the last two of the winning team. Also should have said no gold for losers.
Organised groups can tank really easily I reckon. 6 team tank and -15 a game in a minute is huge. I haven't done it but that's what I think it's like. Also I think for the top guys it's not about gold generation but about grabbing lots of silver for the upgrades.
Alanbit has a point. Seal clubbing with geps I reckon was nothing like clubbing with 12/12s.
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Post by Russel on May 21, 2017 7:22:53 GMT -5
Hey Russel, that's why I said no gold for the last two of the winning team. Also should have said no gold for losers. Organised groups can tank really easily I reckon. 6 team tank and -15 a game in a minute is huge. I haven't done it but that's what I think it's like. Also I think for the top guys it's not about gold generation but about grabbing lots of silver for the upgrades. Alanbit has a point. Seal clubbing with geps I reckon was nothing like clubbing with 12/12s. However fast you can tank in a squad - I still believe that buying Gepard is a lot faster than taking your stuff to 12/12 and then tanking. And more than that, Magnum Gep is not as destructive as, say 12/12 Orkan Rog
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