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Post by gravediggers on May 19, 2017 9:51:41 GMT -5
we have a basic set up for a tier system anyways how hard can it be for the devs not to let players tank down . If I'm in silver and make it in to gold I stay in gold .And if I have to upgrade I have to upgrade and if I want to stay in gold and play there then I don't upgrade
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Post by Insane Demon on May 19, 2017 10:03:06 GMT -5
we have a basic set up for a tier system anyways how hard can it be for the devs not to let players tank down . If I'm in silver and make it in to gold I stay in gold .And if I have to upgrade I have to upgrade and if I want to stay in gold and play there then I don't upgrade This is exactly what I've been saying, except the tankers should be flung back into the highest league they reached before they started tanking. Level 12 bots/weapons do not belong in Silver league and maybe not even Gold league. The system shouldn't even allow players with level 12 stuff in their INVENTORIES to play below Diamond, where I'm sure the majority of those players have reached.
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Post by Thunderkiss on May 19, 2017 10:14:05 GMT -5
In my league of play, there are staples and there are anomalies, as one would expect.
In EVERY game there will be furys and Lancelots and galahads and Griffin and carnage of various stripes and flavors which all amount to the same thing. ALL of these bots WILL be present.
ALWAYS.
EVERY game.
EVERY bot listed. Period.
They will be run by champs and masters. Usually. There is room for variance here but not much, unless there's a squad doing it wrong mixing silvers and master/champs.
These things are a given. It's what master/champion league is filled with.
There are however anomalies, like golems with whatever poor loadout they choose that day (because golems suck in anything over silver, you're a walking pile of easy silver), or poorly performing molot griffins, or the guys who runs tripin nats because s/he can't afford a fury.
It depends on the day as well, with so many thousands of players and different squad makeups, you can hit the all champ lancelot/galahad crowd all night long or you might get the silver/gold squad just trying to have fun but continue to get smashed over and over because of the mismatchmaker being a ?female dog? that day.
I DO find some very repetitive nights, but there is a bit of variation to it. Enough to not put me to sleep, but scarce enough that if I were to describe the environment to someone who isn't where I'm at, what happens in the higher leagues, it would likely sound boring as ?poo-poo?.
Until pix fixes the matchmaker, leagues and diversity, it is likely many players will feel bored and or frustrated with the current system. As I've never seen the leavers queue, I cannot comment on what that "feels" like, altho i suspect theres a bit of the "same `ol same `ol" there too, but again, that's just a hunch.
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Post by blastronaut on May 19, 2017 10:52:41 GMT -5
Yes. Until you face squad after squad of all Champions running only Ancilots and Trident Furies, you won't truly understand how boring it is. Until Pixonic introduces new bots/weapons or buffs/nerfs current weapons that is what the top players will use. Blaming Pixonic for how players play... lol Edit: Is the #1 Legend the same for everyone or are their different legends on each server? Jekyll & Mr. Hyde uses 3 Gareths, 1 Galahad, and 1 Rhino. People enjoy using Jekyll & Hyde as an example. But he only uses that hangar to curb-stomp other (non-champion) players in the LQ. I'm blaming Pixonic for imbalance at the top. Players will obviously gravitate to what get them wins.
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Post by suntron on May 19, 2017 10:55:52 GMT -5
You know the more I think about this, the more I believe that there will never be a solution to the Tanking/clubbing problem...It has never been solved in any other game as well when it goes under other terms...What can one do in light of this? Squad to prevent the tank on your side. That's about it. Solo play is, and will continue to be, a cesspool because the game is only as good as the people committed to play by the intended rules. If there is a large base of the players wanting to exploit the game, that ruins the experience of others, and ultimately the game itself. The game is only as good as the quality of its player base, and this one has some serous turds floating around. Tanking/clubbing was pretty much eliminated from clash of clans. They just reduced the rewards to almost nothing. I think the silver multiplier will help a lot if Pix ever get to implement it.
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Post by blastronaut on May 19, 2017 11:09:29 GMT -5
In my league of play, there are staples and there are anomalies, as one would expect. In EVERY game there will be furys and Lancelots and galahads and Griffin and carnage of various stripes and flavors which all amount to the same thing. ALL of these bots WILL be present. ALWAYS. EVERY game. EVERY bot listed. Period. They will be run by champs and masters. Usually. There is room for variance here but not much, unless there's a squad doing it wrong mixing silvers and master/champs. These things are a given. It's what master/champion league is filled with. There are however anomalies, like golems with whatever poor loadout they choose that day (because golems suck in anything over silver, you're a walking pile of easy silver), or poorly performing molot griffins, or the guys who runs tripin nats because s/he can't afford a fury. It depends on the day as well, with so many thousands of players and different squad makeups, you can hit the all champ lancelot/galahad crowd all night long or you might get the silver/gold squad just trying to have fun but continue to get smashed over and over because of the mismatchmaker being a ?female dog? that day. I DO find some very repetitive nights, but there is a bit of variation to it. Enough to not put me to sleep, but scarce enough that if I were to describe the environment to someone who isn't where I'm at, what happens in the higher leagues, it would likely sound boring as ?poo-poo?. Until pix fixes the matchmaker, leagues and diversity, it is likely many players will feel bored and or frustrated with the current system. As I've never seen the leavers queue, I cannot comment on what that "feels" like, altho i suspect theres a bit of the "same `ol same `ol" there too, but again, that's just a hunch. I see just about every bot regularly in the LQ (Schutzes are rare). LQ is more of a seek-and-destroy game as opposed to the hide-and-wait game in master/champion. Also far less midrange-spash. Switching between the two is a nice change of pace. I don't mind the beatdowns from top 50 clan full squads in the NQ if I'm having fun with my friends. Running solo LQ is far far better. If a player (or 4) drop off my team I still have a respectable chance of winning. Maxed hangars aren't overpowering because there are generally only one or two of them per team.
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Post by crazynutz on May 19, 2017 11:27:07 GMT -5
I don't like the leagues. I think they should be voluntary. Think about bowling. If you want to go bowling on a Saturday you go. If you want to be competitive you join a league. I think it would get rid of the tanking issue as well.
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Post by every1jockzjay on May 19, 2017 11:37:54 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing, ranked matches with the current league system with bonus rewards the higher you go and 15 min ban for leaving.... Unranked matches based on hangar strength with regular rewards
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Post by Vectivus on May 19, 2017 11:38:03 GMT -5
So maybe the turds could, you know, stop being turds. There's an idea. You are living in a fantasy land. Turds don't just turn into beautiful flowers. But human beings can stop being selfish jerks. Happens all the time.
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Post by Insane Demon on May 19, 2017 11:39:44 GMT -5
I don't like the leagues. I think they should be voluntary. Think about bowling. If you want to go bowling on a Saturday you go. If you want to be competitive you join a league. I think it would get rid of the tanking issue as well. That's stupid. If you don't like leagues, don't upgrade your stuff. Stay in Bronze to "play for fun" with low level equipment.
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Post by gravediggers on May 19, 2017 11:55:21 GMT -5
hope they listen
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Post by every1jockzjay on May 19, 2017 11:58:20 GMT -5
Its funny tho we all bash pix for this MM but cant agree on an idea that would be better lol
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Post by gravediggers on May 19, 2017 13:24:15 GMT -5
Hi all I think threads are important but players need to send the Developers about what threads they think are important .So I think it would be good for the players to send a particular thread to the developers that is important to the community forum. And to post a comment that you got back from the developer to help all out including the devs thanks all
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Post by Insane Demon on May 19, 2017 13:25:55 GMT -5
Hi all I think threads are important but players need to send the Developers about what threads they think are important .So I think it would be good for the players to send a particular thread to the developers that is important to the community forum. And to post a comment that you got back from the developer to help all out including the devs thanks all They don't need to be bombarded with ridiculous "solutions" by disgruntled players.
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Post by gravediggers on May 19, 2017 13:50:32 GMT -5
don't choke on your smoke you might croak?
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Post by Insane Demon on May 19, 2017 13:56:58 GMT -5
I'm just saying... let them focus on developing instead of "fixing" player-induced problems. Leagues aren't the problem... players are the problem. Suggest a vote system to kick out problematic players from matches. Create a blacklist to name and shame tankers. And to make matches "even" (by numbers only), kick out a random player from the other team so it'll be 5v5. I will always prefer players dealing with problematic players instead of developers dealing with them.
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Post by joshfishyu on May 19, 2017 22:03:43 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing, ranked matches with the current league system with bonus rewards the higher you go and 15 min ban for leaving.... Unranked matches based on hangar strength with regular rewards A unranked MM is a must, to test new setups and to team up with friends and clan mates in different leagues. But I'm afraid that giving normal rewards in unranked matches will still lead to exploitation (seal clubbing) and ruin the ranked matches (longer waiting time, chaotic MM in diamond or higher, etc.). I think the best solution is no reward for unranked, but you can do daily quests in there.
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Post by The VVatcher on May 20, 2017 7:06:41 GMT -5
Is it just me or both of the last options are "don't keep the league?" They are taking each other's votes. It's basically 55 votes in favor of getting rid of the league.
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Post by The VVatcher on May 20, 2017 7:07:08 GMT -5
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Post by Alanbit on May 20, 2017 7:28:18 GMT -5
Leagues aren't the problem... players are the problem. I started playing with the tier-based system. Found a few gepard seal clubbers. League system was deployed. Found tons and tons of maxed hangar players seal clubbing. At some hours of the day, I met them 95% of the battles. Seal clubbers are guilty, yes, but don't take blame from the league system. That ton of seal clubbers were also playing at the time of the tier-based system, but in tier system seal clubbing was more expensive than in league system (they had to buy gepards), so system HAS direct influence.
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Post by drake1588 on May 20, 2017 10:20:17 GMT -5
Leagues aren't the problem... players are the problem. I started playing with the tier-based system. Found a few gepard seal clubbers. League system was deployed. Found tons and tons of maxed hangar players seal clubbing. At some hours of the day, I met them 95% of the battles. Seal clubbers are guilty, yes, but don't take blame from the league system. That ton of seal clubbers were also playing at the time of the tier-based system, but in tier system seal clubbing was more expensive than in league system (they had to buy gepards), so system HAS direct influence. When people try to evade the system, the system has faults. Not saying the people don't as well, deviance from the norm is about the most human thing going, but deviance isn't necessarily negative unless it's hurting other people. Instead of fixing the tiers to reflect experienced reality, they invented leagues which in turn invented tanking and also serves as an impediment to squadding . What they needed to do was fix the bot and weapon weights, but instead they labored on leagues and are operating from a place where the sunk cost fallacy is hosing everyone. They placed too much emphasis on robot levels and not enough on weapons, especially not in differentiating weapons based on effectiveness or quantity per bot. They failed to add a multiplier for bots that have more hard points than average, so you wound up with gepclub. It's like Glee club, but lamer. Had they taken into consideration the third hardpoint, the game would've been much different.
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Post by zer00eyz on May 20, 2017 11:14:38 GMT -5
we have a basic set up for a tier system anyways how hard can it be for the devs not to let players tank down . If I'm in silver and make it in to gold I stay in gold .And if I have to upgrade I have to upgrade and if I want to stay in gold and play there then I don't upgrade My All capping hanger can take me to gold I, my damage hanger is gold III sometimes silver... My damage hanger is gold or silver depending on the time of day I play --- there is that much variance in competition on a weekday that I can tell what will happen to my score if I log on. I, and many other players, would be screwed by your suggestion. The other problem is what happens when pix makes gameplay changes? If all my flavor of the month meta bots suddenly aren't, and I don't have gear to compete where I am any more, and it will take MONTHS for me to get it do you believe i should be forced to loose for that time, or fall down to where I'm relevant.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on May 20, 2017 11:50:08 GMT -5
I don't like the leagues. I think they should be voluntary. Think about bowling. If you want to go bowling on a Saturday you go. If you want to be competitive you join a league. I think it would get rid of the tanking issue as well. That's stupid. If you don't like leagues, don't upgrade your stuff. Stay in Bronze to "play for fun" with low level equipment. I realized in January that the leagues were pointless to me and started doing just this. Unfortunately a little too late. For me the sweet spot is where you still see all the bots. On iOS it's probably Gold 3-1 and my gear has me oscillating between G1-D3. In Diamond3 you start to see a sea of britbots and furys along with a unhealthy (?) small percentage of other bots. Ugh. So my heavy lineup has has been frozen at L7 bots and L8 weapons for four and a half months. Because the hangar system is out the window I brought my 3/5 light lineup up to 9/8 and my mediums from 3/7 up to 7/7. So they can hang now. I don't own any geps, never did. With the end of the Event, I now have 12 more bots and a bunch of weapons to level up to the level I prefer to play in. I will never need to upgrade my gear to handle opposition I can't handle. Instead, their drive to be the best and the league system will carry them past me on their journey to Top Tier Land. The one thing I really miss is the ability to rerig my hangar to squad with newer pilots in my clan. I can't help them anymore. No more taking them into combat with a mix of low level lights and mediums and showing them the tricks of the trade. Showing them how to deal with mag geps. Shepherding them through. As an aside, my son still refers to geps as 'cheater robots' even now, 10 months after he started playing. The only difference now is that they almost always die at his hands rather than vice versa. With regards to clanning War Robots has gone from raising your babies to just watching them crawl down the beach towards the waves and hoping they survive the gauntlet. It used to be better.
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Post by zer00eyz on May 20, 2017 12:18:40 GMT -5
That's stupid. If you don't like leagues, don't upgrade your stuff. Stay in Bronze to "play for fun" with low level equipment. I realized in January that the leagues were pointless to me and started doing just this. Unfortunately a little too late. For me the sweet spot is where you still see all the bots. On iOS it's probably Gold 3-1 and my gear has me oscillating between G1-D3. In Diamond3 you start to see a sea of britbots and furys along with a unhealthy (?) small percentage of other bots. Ugh. So my heavy lineup has has been frozen at L7 bots and L8 weapons for four and a half months. Because the hangar system is out the window I brought my 3/5 light lineup up to 9/8 and my mediums from 3/7 up to 7/7. So they can hang now. I don't own any geps, never did. With the end of the Event, I now have 12 more bots and a bunch of weapons to level up to the level I prefer to play in. I will never need to upgrade my gear to handle opposition I can't handle. Instead, their drive to be the best and the league system will carry them past me on their journey to Top Tier Land. The one thing I really miss is the ability to rerig my hangar to squad with newer pilots in my clan. I can't help them anymore. No more taking them into combat with a mix of low level lights and mediums and showing them the tricks of the trade. Showing them how to deal with mag geps. Shepherding them through. As an aside, my son still refers to geps as 'cheater robots' even now, 10 months after he started playing. The only difference now is that they almost always die at his hands rather than vice versa. With regards to clanning War Robots has gone from raising your babies to just watching them crawl down the beach towards the waves and hoping they survive the gauntlet. It used to be better. Truth! I built an all capping hanger for the event, and it looks like it is going to remain "static" while I level a bunch of top tier bots in the background. I suspect that I will stay somewhere around silver/gold on android for a LONG time to come, and play a set of hangers that I can use and enjoy there. If I want to play higher there are plenty of people who I can squad with that can get me access to those higher levels of play, and it will be fun to have the equipment to roll with them for real.
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Post by gravediggers on May 20, 2017 13:16:29 GMT -5
HI all we have 9 major tiers and each tier has three individual levels combined are 27 levels if I'm in silver 1 level fighting into gold. 3 Then I should not have to fight a gold from Level 1 that is almost in the diamond level. I should only have to fight three levels at a time .And stop people from leaving they should just go back to where they started the same tier same level and the only way you can drop down tiers is by losing and staying in the game if you leave it doesn't work that way you just go back to your same level and tier this is only a suggestion
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Post by drake1588 on May 20, 2017 13:25:07 GMT -5
That's stupid. If you don't like leagues, don't upgrade your stuff. Stay in Bronze to "play for fun" with low level equipment. I realized in January that the leagues were pointless to me and started doing just this. Unfortunately a little too late. For me the sweet spot is where you still see all the bots. On iOS it's probably Gold 3-1 and my gear has me oscillating between G1-D3. In Diamond3 you start to see a sea of britbots and furys along with a unhealthy (?) small percentage of other bots. Ugh. So my heavy lineup has has been frozen at L7 bots and L8 weapons for four and a half months. Because the hangar system is out the window I brought my 3/5 light lineup up to 9/8 and my mediums from 3/7 up to 7/7. So they can hang now. I don't own any geps, never did. With the end of the Event, I now have 12 more bots and a bunch of weapons to level up to the level I prefer to play in. I will never need to upgrade my gear to handle opposition I can't handle. Instead, their drive to be the best and the league system will carry them past me on their journey to Top Tier Land. The one thing I really miss is the ability to rerig my hangar to squad with newer pilots in my clan. I can't help them anymore. No more taking them into combat with a mix of low level lights and mediums and showing them the tricks of the trade. Showing them how to deal with mag geps. Shepherding them through. As an aside, my son still refers to geps as 'cheater robots' even now, 10 months after he started playing. The only difference now is that they almost always die at his hands rather than vice versa. With regards to clanning War Robots has gone from raising your babies to just watching them crawl down the beach towards the waves and hoping they survive the gauntlet. It used to be better. Hammer. Nail. Head. The squadding conundrum really is the worst part of leagues, to me. I started a week or two after leagues went live, and it was horrid trying to find a clan where I could squad reasonably often and not be a detriment due to a 4-6 level bot/weapon differential. That isn't something the players did wrong, that's something Pix did in a shortsighted attempt to fix seal clubbing and add something to a system that wasn't broken, just in need of some tweaks.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on May 20, 2017 13:35:10 GMT -5
Is it just me or both of the last options are "don't keep the league?" They are taking each other's votes. It's basically 55 votes in favor of getting rid of the league. The poll is irrelevant. Nothing is going to change based on this thread. The only thing it proves is that there's more complacency than acceptance when it comes to the current league system. At the time of me writing this there are currently 75 votes. 75 voices out of the millions of players are not enough not sway a decision that will require large amounts of coding and payroll to make happen. Personally, I would rather Pixonic spend their time making new robots, weapons, and maps for me to acquire. Tip for all games and life in general: You're not always going to get your way. Survival = acceptance + adaptation.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on May 20, 2017 13:53:53 GMT -5
Hammer. Nail. Head. The squadding conundrum really is the worst part of leagues, to me. I started a week or two after leagues went live, and it was horrid trying to find a clan where I could squad reasonably often and not be a detriment due to a 4-6 level bot/weapon differential. That isn't something the players did wrong, that's something Pix did in a shortsighted attempt to fix seal clubbing and add something to a system that wasn't broken, just in need of some tweaks. Are you familiar with the forum mercenaries? war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/4731/facebook-mercenary-registryThere are some players around your level you can hook up with for balanced squadding. No clan necessary, no hangar restrictions, and absolutely zero trophy requirements.
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Post by drake1588 on May 20, 2017 14:24:56 GMT -5
Thanks, Freedom, but I'm thinking more of how it disrupts clans' ability to interact more than anything. I know the mercs page is a partial work around, but the systemic problem still exists. Its mind boggling to me that they didn't implement some sort of buddy or equalizing system by now to address this rather real problem.
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Post by gravediggers on May 20, 2017 18:46:06 GMT -5
I'm not promoting this game I like the way they did their stats for their tirers. .Damage and hit points ect. Have a peek at this link something the devs can do for war robots as I have found none. armored-aces.wikia.com/wiki/Tank_Comparison
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