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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 1, 2021 11:06:33 GMT -5
That's a good build, but it falls under the "jack of all trades master of none" thinking column. It's good when you don't have copies of either, but once a dual CB12 is used, it's hard to go back. And from what Koala said about the dual SB12s, it would prolly do best as a dedicated build, too. That said, if you run support roles more than attack, it may fit perfectly to run it on two bots... idk... this game is pretty damned flexible and it's definitely possible to tailor your builds around your style once you have gotten copies and unlocks closer to end-game... one of the things I love about this game. The only other builds I use my CB 12s in, now that I have had plenty of runs with a CB 12 x 2 Guardian and have seen how good it is, is the TL6 + CB 12 and the CB 10 + CB 12. This is what I am running now, in fact. Killy gets the CB + TL and the Guardian is still dual Carbs, just back to 12 + 10.
(Unless I am running a fun hangar with more light bots, then a single CB 12 on a Shadow or MD is pretty great... but that is more of a temporary build for taking a break from the norm, not my preferred, and not really relevant to the post. But did I mention that it's fun? It is.) I might have to bite the bullet and buy a CB12 if/when the offer comes up again. 8k a-coins just takes impossibly long to acquire, especially considering my new-found loathing of tournament games. Then maybe pair that up with SB12 for the time being until I can double it. BTW, anybody else seeing a trend of uselessness with SB’s lately? I’ve had a few games now where I’m blasting a red (usually AI, of course) with SB16 and doing absolutely nothing for damage, and frequently not much of a stasis effect, either. Which is why I’m leaning heavily toward SB12s eventually on the Panther. What do you run with it? No, I have not noticed any degradation. I run TL + 6 (R5) with my SB 16 (R5) and it does just fine.
However, I don't expect to kill tanks or Heavy Leveled Lancers without some crossfire though... the HP just gets to be so high on end-game bot levels... but it still does fine for how I use it.
I run it on my Panther and it never leaves my hangar. It's my support build of choice in a good squad that can take advantage of it... especially a BH... protect them and get their damage buff and it's straight Gandalf vs Balrog for the Reds. Also if running with an offensive Panther, good shield placement by both of us, then I Overheat em while freezing them, and then with the other Panther's dual CBs or RG+MR8 or w/e, we just kill everything. 10 Assists is not hard in a situation like that... often it ends up being more.
But I focus on support in that build... even solo. I do not get aggressive unless it's a must to win or their SP is so low it doesn't matter. I will look for places to set out my shield to protect potato Blues more than for myself in Tourney. |
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Post by reconnecting on Apr 1, 2021 12:28:25 GMT -5
"Potato blues". 😂😅 Lol! I do the same. TL6 and CB12 on Panther.
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Post by Koalabear on Apr 1, 2021 13:05:57 GMT -5
I bit the bullet myself and bought the CB12. It is what it is. I decided that I really wanted to try it and I lucked out in that I had enough blueprints to clone it almost right away.
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Post by punishingcossack on Apr 1, 2021 14:06:59 GMT -5
I bit the bullet myself and bought the CB12. It is what it is. I decided that I really wanted to try it and I lucked out in that I had enough blueprints to clone it almost right away. lmao buying the carb12 isn't really "biting the bullet" considering how damn good it is  congrats |
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Post by Koalabear on Apr 1, 2021 14:11:59 GMT -5
Damn. I have no self control!  |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 1, 2021 14:38:27 GMT -5
Damn. I have no self control! You're sittin' pretty now... prolly get away with sitting back and building up resources for a while. |
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Post by Koalabear on Apr 1, 2021 14:41:54 GMT -5
That was my plan with the LA Zephyr...well, I've wanted to use those two skins for the Panther at the same time for a while...so there, that's my excuse!
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Post by reconnecting on Apr 1, 2021 15:39:35 GMT -5
Damn. I have no self control! I cloned my CB12 too. It's worth it in the long run imho. ;-)   |
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Post by punishingcossack on Apr 1, 2021 17:50:06 GMT -5
Damn. I have no self control! next order of business: second copy RG |
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Post by punishingcossack on Apr 1, 2021 17:51:16 GMT -5
Damn. I have no self control! next order of business: second copy RG or actually, maybe get second copy KS and run the javs on that instead. but second copy KS and RG are really important imo |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 1, 2021 20:08:24 GMT -5
Damn. I have no self control! And that’s exactly why these devs keep doing what they do. I’m almost as bad.  |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 1, 2021 20:48:00 GMT -5
I might have to bite the bullet and buy a CB12 if/when the offer comes up again. 8k a-coins just takes impossibly long to acquire, especially considering my new-found loathing of tournament games. Then maybe pair that up with SB12 for the time being until I can double it. BTW, anybody else seeing a trend of uselessness with SB’s lately? I’ve had a few games now where I’m blasting a red (usually AI, of course) with SB16 and doing absolutely nothing for damage, and frequently not much of a stasis effect, either. Which is why I’m leaning heavily toward SB12s eventually on the Panther. What do you run with it? No, I have not noticed any degradation. I run TL + 6 (R5) with my SB 16 (R5) and it does just fine.
However, I don't expect to kill tanks or Heavy Leveled Lancers without some crossfire though... the HP just gets to be so high on end-game bot levels... but it still does fine for how I use it.
I run it on my Panther and it never leaves my hangar. It's my support build of choice in a good squad that can take advantage of it... especially a BH... protect them and get their damage buff and it's straight Gandalf vs Balrog for the Reds. Also if running with an offensive Panther, good shield placement by both of us, then I Overheat em while freezing them, and then with the other Panther's dual CBs or RG+MR8 or w/e, we just kill everything. 10 Assists is not hard in a situation like that... often it ends up being more.
But I focus on support in that build... even solo. I do not get aggressive unless it's a must to win or their SP is so low it doesn't matter. I will look for places to set out my shield to protect potato Blues more than for myself in Tourney. Running CB8 (still R5) with the SB16 (which I just realized is still R4) on the Panther. A killing machine it ain’t; but if I have one or two attentive teammates, especially one with another Panther, it makes things quite difficult for the reds. If/when I get that first CB12, I’ll probably run it with the SB12 and see where that goes. So I made a slight deviation tonight and bought myself a $20 Easter basket. As many of you may recall, I had ranked up my Lancer to R5 and was wreaking havoc with it and Jav6’s. Then I neutered it by putting the Jav's back on Killshot, because my R4 MR8’s were too lame on it. RPG’s are ok on the Lancer, but they’re not Jav’s. So I grabbed myself 2500 a-coins and ranked up the MR’s to R5 — call it a $20 experiment, I guess — and put them back on Killy, mostly for that carrier map, where Jav’s aren’t as effective on that first wave push for center beacon. Only played one game with them so far, but the difference is noticeable. Trade off for the superior range of the MR’s is the added exposure to enemy fire. Killy is definitely more stout at R5 than it used to be, but I still can’t rush headlong for center beacons with it. I do need to relearn how to play it effectively with direct-fire weps, though. But now Lancer is back, baby. Still keeping an eye out for a CB12 offer, cos Panther still needs a little kick in the pants. So that leaves me with two speedies (Lancer, Killy), a tank (juggy with CB8/10), and two attackers (Panther with SB16/CB8, weak-azz Guardian with LA8/10). Can’t decide what I want to do with that Guardian slot - rank up Guardian, or build up something else. It’s my least-used mech, only because I can’t figure out what it’s good at with the weapons I have. LA’s seem to be the best option, but they’re very situational and limited, while all the other builds in the stable are usable in a variety of situations. But Guardian, even at only R4, is the only other mech I have that’s close to battle-ready. Eh, the times I have to reach that deep into the garage are pretty rare, so I guess I’ll stay the course with what I have for now. Except for CB12’s - will be focusing resources on procuring those next. Anyway, here’s the current scrap heap.  R5 Lancer w/ R6 Jav’s R5 Killshot w/ R5 RM8’s R5 Panther with R4 SB16 and R5 CB8 R5 Juggy w/ R5 CB8 + CB10 R4 Guardian w/ R3 LA8 + LA10 It’s getting there. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 2, 2021 1:00:17 GMT -5
Yeah, so guess what offer popped up tonight .... but my squad mates did their best to talk me out of it. So far it’s worked. I want a Carb12, but damm I just can’t see dropping 47 clams for it. Especially after dropping $20 earlier on a-coins.
Edit: I almost caved into temptation this morning ... and then the offer was gone. Oh well.
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Post by dukeofadvil on Apr 4, 2021 18:26:36 GMT -5
Yeah, so guess what offer popped up tonight .... but my squad mates did their best to talk me out of it. So far it’s worked. I want a Carb12, but damm I just can’t see dropping 47 clams for it. Especially after dropping $20 earlier on a-coins. Edit: I almost caved into temptation this morning ... and then the offer was gone. Oh well. I'm still at 98,000xp, so I have while to save up. I'm hoping thatbi do not need to purchase more that 20 bucks worth of A-coins to put my first Carb12 on my Panther. Stay strong DL, fight the urge.... |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 5, 2021 9:45:31 GMT -5
Koalabear - I had the resources so I said 'screw saving for the new stuff, I am bored,'
It is killer in squad play on TDM, and I really enjoyed it. Decent damage, instant freeze, every time I used it it was in the MVP for the match. Solo CPC was not all that great... I did better with the TL 6 + SB 16 build, there. Not entirely sure why since I was not paying tons of attention to the situation, so it could have been chance.
Either way, cheers! Glad I did it!
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 5, 2021 12:30:49 GMT -5
Koalabear - I had the resources so I said 'screw saving for the new stuff, I am bored,'
It is killer in squad play on TDM, and I really enjoyed it. Decent damage, instant freeze, every time I used it it was in the MVP for the match. Solo CPC was not all that great... I did better with the TL 6 + SB 16 build, there. Not entirely sure why since I was not paying tons of attention to the situation, so it could have been chance.
Either way, cheers! Glad I did it!
Thanks a lot for throwing even more uncertainty into my plans. I’d been thinking of splurging on a Carb12 next gaming budget cycle if/when that offer comes up again. But I already have a SB12 (still only R4), so doubling up on that instead of carbs would be a lot cheaper, especially since I don’t have any carb12’s yet. Thing is, I need more heavy-damage weapons if I’m gonna get anywhere in tourney games (I was sucking wind BAD last night), which is why I was thinking more about carbs. Damm this game. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 5, 2021 17:51:08 GMT -5
Koalabear - I had the resources so I said 'screw saving for the new stuff, I am bored,'
It is killer in squad play on TDM, and I really enjoyed it. Decent damage, instant freeze, every time I used it it was in the MVP for the match. Solo CPC was not all that great... I did better with the TL 6 + SB 16 build, there. Not entirely sure why since I was not paying tons of attention to the situation, so it could have been chance.
Either way, cheers! Glad I did it!
Thanks a lot for throwing even more uncertainty into my plans. I’d been thinking of splurging on a Carb12 next gaming budget cycle if/when that offer comes up again. But I already have a SB12 (still only R4), so doubling up on that instead of carbs would be a lot cheaper, especially since I don’t have any carb12’s yet. Thing is, I need more heavy-damage weapons if I’m gonna get anywhere in tourney games (I was sucking wind BAD last night), which is why I was thinking more about carbs. Damm this game. LOL! Sorry bro... I really had put this on the backburner until a clannie started echoing Koala's sentiments... then I looked at what it would take to get it there and since I was at R5 L3, I said, why not?
TBH, I think as long as you put either weapon set on a Panther, and play to the weapons' strengths, it will be an improvement no matter which you choose. Both are solid choices. I do prefer Guardian for my CB 12s when running both, though (See below for range discussion), but there is no doubt that CB 12 x 2 Panther is a top build.
Now... Something inside screams at me when I even think about suggesting SB 12 over CB 12... however, this damn build is just good. TBF, though, I have been playing with SB 16 on my Panther since I unlocked it and am very attuned to using the SB weapon type on it... so it was an easy slide from one to the other. I can't say it would be as great for anyone else just b/c I don't want to make false assumptions... but I still bet it won't suck!
CB 12, even at R6, won't just magically kill everything... but if you can use it in the right circumstances, it definitely increases your chances. 1 thing...The range aspect is huge with Carbines and I think that can color their perceived effectiveness. They are optimal when under 30m... however, I find in many games, I use them at 50m or more. I see the same from other players... which drops down their damage per hit, even if the accuracy is still spot on. With the SBs, I can hit from pretty far out and not care... because even if I can't kill them, I sure as hell am gonna slow them up for someone else to get a chance even if they get out of my line of fire in 3 seconds. That is where the SB 12 x2 shines, IMO. Like Koala said and I have affirmed to myself, almost insta-freeze effect.
If it were me to do over again... knowing what I know and how I like to play, I might have done this first, now. IDK. I do like my CB 12s though, and I don't want to give the wrong impression. I will definitely continue to recommend them as a high priority end-game weapon... but... I think I just cemented the dual SB 12 right along side of it in my mind. I hesitate to say it is a finished thought, however, until I get to squad with and against more 3000 SP players. When I have gone against squads or solo players in TDM while using the dual SBs, so far, it's been pretty damned good. Even the damage done isn't bad. I will try to get some gameplay, including pre-battle SP numbers, and post it, this week. Particularly hard fought matches are what I will be aiming for... if you can wait that long lol. Maybe it will help you feel better about your decision! (either way it will give me a reason to work with the video editor app I am trying to learn lol, so win/win  ) |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 5, 2021 18:44:33 GMT -5
Thanks a lot for throwing even more uncertainty into my plans. I’d been thinking of splurging on a Carb12 next gaming budget cycle if/when that offer comes up again. But I already have a SB12 (still only R4), so doubling up on that instead of carbs would be a lot cheaper, especially since I don’t have any carb12’s yet. Thing is, I need more heavy-damage weapons if I’m gonna get anywhere in tourney games (I was sucking wind BAD last night), which is why I was thinking more about carbs. Damm this game. LOL! Sorry bro... I really had put this on the backburner until a clannie started echoing Koala's sentiments... then I looked at what it would take to get it there and since I was at R5 L3, I said, why not?
TBH, I think as long as you put either weapon set on a Panther, and play to the weapons' strengths, it will be an improvement no matter which you choose. Both are solid choices. I do prefer Guardian for my CB 12s when running both, though (See below for range discussion), but there is no doubt that CB 12 x 2 Panther is a top build.
Now... Something inside screams at me when I even think about suggesting SB 12 over CB 12... however, this damn build is just good. TBF, though, I have been playing with SB 16 on my Panther since I unlocked it and am very attuned to using the SB weapon type on it... so it was an easy slide from one to the other. I can't say it would be as great for anyone else just b/c I don't want to make false assumptions... but I still bet it won't suck!
CB 12, even at R6, won't just magically kill everything... but if you can use it in the right circumstances, it definitely increases your chances. 1 thing...The range aspect is huge with Carbines and I think that can color their perceived effectiveness. They are optimal when under 30m... however, I find in many games, I use them at 50m or more. I see the same from other players... which drops down their damage per hit, even if the accuracy is still spot on. With the SBs, I can hit from pretty far out and not care... because even if I can't kill them, I sure as hell am gonna slow them up for someone else to get a chance even if they get out of my line of fire in 3 seconds. That is where the SB 12 x2 shines, IMO. Like Koala said and I have affirmed to myself, almost insta-freeze effect.
If it were me to do over again... knowing what I know and how I like to play, I might have done this first, now. IDK. I do like my CB 12s though, and I don't want to give the wrong impression. I will definitely continue to recommend them as a high priority end-game weapon... but... I think I just cemented the dual SB 12 right along side of it in my mind. I hesitate to say it is a finished thought, however, until I get to squad with and against more 3000 SP players. When I have gone against squads or solo players in TDM while using the dual SBs, so far, it's been pretty damned good. Even the damage done isn't bad. I will try to get some gameplay, including pre-battle SP numbers, and post it, this week. Particularly hard fought matches are what I will be aiming for... if you can wait that long lol. Maybe it will help you feel better about your decision! (either way it will give me a reason to work with the video editor app I am trying to learn lol, so win/win ) Right now I’m running SB18+CB8 on the Panther, so two SB’s would be an easy switch. I still need to acquire a lot more a-coins before I do anything, but SB12’s sounds like it’s at least worth thinking about. My SB12 is gonna need two rank-ups before I can double it, so that’s like 6250 more a-coins, vs 7500 a-coins (or $47) just to get my first CB12. Seems like a no-brainer if the dual SB’s really are half way decent. |
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Post by Koalabear on Apr 6, 2021 7:30:49 GMT -5
Damn. I have no self control! next order of business: second copy RG LOL, not sure if I want to do that though. What would I run it on? The next mech that I would consider shelving would be my KS, but it's still too useful in CPC games and sometimes when I get into the groove in TDM games, it rocks and is helluva fun to play. I can see myself cloning the RG only if I clone my Guardian or get some other 24EN mech so that I can run two Thanos builds. I've seen people do that with dual Panthers. If they buff the Redox, I'll consider it, but otherwise, I'm good until they update the game again and release new gear. |
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Post by punishingcossack on Apr 6, 2021 12:03:32 GMT -5
next order of business: second copy RG LOL, not sure if I want to do that though. What would I run it on? The next mech that I would consider shelving would be my KS, but it's still too useful in CPC games and sometimes when I get into the groove in TDM games, it rocks and is helluva fun to play. I can see myself cloning the RG only if I clone my Guardian or get some other 24EN mech so that I can run two Thanos builds. I've seen people do that with dual Panthers. If they buff the Redox, I'll consider it, but otherwise, I'm good until they update the game again and release new gear. depends on how wedded you are to the double stasis panther |
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Post by Old-Cat on Apr 6, 2021 14:21:09 GMT -5
Here is question for you Railgun owners. I'm super close to having enough A-coins to buy one. Here is my dilemma, all my bots save one are stuck at 4.7 and A-coins are soooo hard to come by right now. I'm sort of rethinking my plan and dropping all my coins on my bots. I'm wondering if the Railgun is that big of a game changer?
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 6, 2021 20:16:19 GMT -5
Here is question for you Railgun owners. I'm super close to having enough A-coins to buy one. Here is my dilemma, all my bots save one are stuck at 4.7 and A-coins are soooo hard to come by right now. I'm sort of rethinking my plan and dropping all my coins on my bots. I'm wondering if the Railgun is that big of a game changer? I don’t have a railgun, so somebody who actually has one can probably give you a better answer than I. But I’ve blown major a-coins on other weapons and regretted it. I have a pile of mechs that could use bugger guns that I already own if they get ranked up. I’ve got a bunch of weapons that need ranking up and won’t need bigger mechs to carry them, all of which would improve my hangar instead of having thrown all my eggs in one basket. Instead I have a few good guns, but they don’t make up for the rest of my stuff that’s under-leveled. I cannot say for sure I’d have been better off using those a-coins for upgrades instead of acquiring a better gun. That’s the downside of the devs trying NOT to upset game balance - the stuff that costs a lot to acquire doesn’t usually make that big of an impact. Not right away, anyway. I do seem to notice a more noticeable improvement in damage output when I do finally get around to upgrading gear by any significant degree. On the other hand, more weapons gives you that much more flexibility outfitting different mechs and experimenting with different setups. But, that means you probably end up with a bunch of stuff not being used and sucking up resources that might be better spent on the gear that you are using. Bottom line, if I had to do it all over again, I’d be a lot more stingy on acquisitions and put those resources into upgrades. The only weapons I’d put resources into acquiring would be when my mechs outgrow my weapons to outfit them with. |
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Post by Koalabear on Apr 7, 2021 7:59:03 GMT -5
Here is question for you Railgun owners. I'm super close to having enough A-coins to buy one. Here is my dilemma, all my bots save one are stuck at 4.7 and A-coins are soooo hard to come by right now. I'm sort of rethinking my plan and dropping all my coins on my bots. I'm wondering if the Railgun is that big of a game changer? The RG is a very challenging weapon to use. It's slightly different than the LA but close enough that you can adapt. The projectile is not as fast as the LA's projectile, so I'd say that it can't engage out to the ranges that the LA can. For example, I wouldn't try to hit anything further than 100m out. I tend to use my well below 100m, maybe in the 50m range give or take. At that range, the LA8 doesn't do as much damage, but it does enough. Sometimes, I'll even fire the LA8 first from around a corner and only step out and fire the RG when I get the Overheat symbol on my target. I consider the Thanos build to be a mid range sniper and it's weak(er) at extra long range and at point blank range. It demands a lot of patience. Sometimes, I'll get impatient or get swarmed by a KS, and I'll end up missing a couple of shots and be literally dead in the water for a while. You can also use it on a Zephyr and use it as an ambush mech. It works in this role, but only in very specific situations. On bigger maps with lots of open ground, I found it very challenging to get into ambush position, so I generally used it in CPC games to quickly spawn on a beacon that was getting turned by a red. Is it game changer? Yes, but maybe not quite in the way you think. It doesn't suddenly make you OP cause the RG takes a lot of practice, a level head, and oodles of luck. But, it WILL change the way you play the game, especially if you're like me and like to just wade into combat with guns blazing. If you already have a sniper mindset, then maybe it doesn't change your game all that much, but like I said before, it works somewhat differently than the LA. Having played both the CB12 and the RG16 now though, if I had to do it all over again, I would prioritize the CB12 and the cloning of it above the RG16. I'm actually having way more fun with my dual CB12 Panther than I do with my Thanos Guardian. But, that's just my style. The CB12 is more "twitchy" and more condusive to a fast paced playing style, while the RG16 demands patience and planning your shots. I've even one shot killed Shadows in stealth because I'd anticipated where the Shadow will be and had my dot waiting for it to come out of cover. But, even those shots are at least 50% luck. |
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Post by Old-Cat on Apr 7, 2021 10:04:30 GMT -5
thanks for the detailed replies boys.
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Post by punishingcossack on Apr 7, 2021 10:44:34 GMT -5
Here is question for you Railgun owners. I'm super close to having enough A-coins to buy one. Here is my dilemma, all my bots save one are stuck at 4.7 and A-coins are soooo hard to come by right now. I'm sort of rethinking my plan and dropping all my coins on my bots. I'm wondering if the Railgun is that big of a game changer? personally I'd say it's somewhat a game changer. You can compete well w/o it, but against top hangars, you'll wish you had it. Having a RG means that if someone so much as peeks their head out, you can take it right off And if you're running the LA8 RG build, overheating your target before railgunning them makes it even better |
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Post by reconnecting on Apr 7, 2021 12:02:15 GMT -5
Here is question for you Railgun owners. I'm super close to having enough A-coins to buy one. Here is my dilemma, all my bots save one are stuck at 4.7 and A-coins are soooo hard to come by right now. I'm sort of rethinking my plan and dropping all my coins on my bots. I'm wondering if the Railgun is that big of a game changer? personally I'd say it's somewhat a game changer. You can compete well w/o it, but against top hangars, you'll wish you had it. Having a RG means that if someone so much as peeks their head out, you can take it right off And if you're running the LA8 RG build, overheating your target before railgunning them makes it even better I don't do the sniper style of play. I'm not good at it and don't like it. So no RG for me. I also am enjoying my CB12s I cloned recently. 😁 I will upgrade them and my Panther for now. |
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Post by punishingcossack on Apr 7, 2021 15:50:35 GMT -5
personally I'd say it's somewhat a game changer. You can compete well w/o it, but against top hangars, you'll wish you had it. Having a RG means that if someone so much as peeks their head out, you can take it right off And if you're running the LA8 RG build, overheating your target before railgunning them makes it even better I don't do the sniper style of play. I'm not good at it and don't like it. So no RG for me. I also am enjoying my CB12s I cloned recently. 😁 I will upgrade them and my Panther for now. railgun MR8 is an excellent brawler. especially on guardian and panther |
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Post by Koalabear on Apr 8, 2021 9:08:15 GMT -5
Just tried RG16/MR8 on my Guardian. It is a solid build, but I feel it's best for those who can single fire weapons really well. Me, I'm a big red button masher, so I think I still prefer Thanos.
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Post by punishingcossack on Apr 8, 2021 10:17:03 GMT -5
Just tried RG16/MR8 on my Guardian. It is a solid build, but I feel it's best for those who can single fire weapons really well. Me, I'm a big red button masher, so I think I still prefer Thanos. I'd say give it some practice. that and 2x c12 are the best G builds. I almost always play on a flat surface so give that a try to see if it helps. |
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Post by punishingcossack on Apr 8, 2021 10:53:01 GMT -5
another thing is that even w/ Thanos build, there are a lot of situations where you wanna fire the LA8 first (knocking down a shield, overheating an enemy, etc.)
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