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Post by scape211 on Aug 20, 2020 9:37:41 GMT -5
To echo Danny this isn't really a P2W game. You can pay to get the best gear and upgrade it, but it just means you will be playing against better bots and players. The matches scale with your power level so actually paying may not help you if you do too much, but some purchasing can get you over a certain hump if you feel the need.
The big thing in this game is tournament mode. Its the way to get the high level currency consistently so you need to play it competitively and a lot if you want a lot of that currency. I have felt at times it can get grindy at certain spots in tournament, but it resets each week so you can easily do it casually or take a break at times.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 20, 2020 10:21:53 GMT -5
Are shotguns any good at all? Ridiculously low range. I just unlocked Shotgun 4, but I think I’m gonna pass on them - can’t think of any bot I have that they’d work on.
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Post by mechtout on Aug 20, 2020 10:23:03 GMT -5
when you squad do you get matched up against other squads? I tried squading a game but couldn't tell if the other squad was in one
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Post by runamok on Aug 20, 2020 10:38:23 GMT -5
Are shotguns any good at all? Ridiculously low range. I just unlocked Shotgun 4, but I think I’m gonna pass on them - can’t think of any bot I have that they’d work on. I thought they’d be good on the killer but tried them out and just don’t seem to do much. Rather use RPG 4. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 20, 2020 11:03:23 GMT -5
Are shotguns any good at all? Ridiculously low range. I just unlocked Shotgun 4, but I think I’m gonna pass on them - can’t think of any bot I have that they’d work on. I thought they’d be good on the killer but tried them out and just don’t seem to do much. Rather use RPG 4. Could possibly work on a Shadow, where you could zip up to somebody’s chin in stealth and punch their lights out, kind of like a thunder carnage back in it’s heyday. But I’m a LONG way from unlocking that bot (like 13,000 xp away), so that’s not an option for awhile. Paragon and Killshot are the only other 8’s, but they’re too squishy for such extreme CQC. |
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Post by scape211 on Aug 20, 2020 12:08:21 GMT -5
I thought they’d be good on the killer but tried them out and just don’t seem to do much. Rather use RPG 4. Could possibly work on a Shadow, where you could zip up to somebody’s chin in stealth and punch their lights out, kind of like a thunder carnage back in it’s heyday. But I’m a LONG way from unlocking that bot (like 13,000 xp away), so that’s not an option for awhile. Paragon and Killshot are the only other 8’s, but they’re too squishy for such extreme CQC. Shadow+shotgun used to own in early beta/soft launch but they both got nerfed as things changed. As a result, I dont think either are that worth investing in. I did a recent review on shadow. He is ok, but there are plenty of other mechs that are better for general use that outclass him. I doubt he will achieve his former glory. Killshot was the other one I thought would be ok with the shtogun (melee dash to face; finish with the shotty). However, I think if you want to use him in that compacity the plasma canon is better and even that I felt was a bit meh as you rank up more. |
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Post by scape211 on Aug 20, 2020 12:15:10 GMT -5
when you squad do you get matched up against other squads? I tried squading a game but couldn't tell if the other squad was in one Meaning do you get squaded up with others or do they put people against you? As of right now, it's hard for me to tell completely. There isn't a huge US base of players so the times I often play are complete opposite the India base. Thats likely going to change as this game grows and I would think in that instance you will get matched up with others more. From what I can tell so far though, this game does seem to try to put humans vs humans when possible. By that I mean if you invite someone or they invite you to play and you have say 2-3 people queing together as a team, the match system tries to find equal number of human players if possible. So if you want as much real time pvp as possible, thats usually the best way to achieve it. Not sure if this changes between tourney and regular CoC though. Tourney seems to first be concerned with your current rank (novice, professional, etc), then ques either humans or bots based on that. I assume tourney has more bots to make sure the power levels are fair for each player as they move up the ladder. Bots seem more prevalent to achieve that. CoC however appears a bit more flexible with its power leveling as it's just a 'fun' game. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 20, 2020 13:44:27 GMT -5
Could possibly work on a Shadow, where you could zip up to somebody’s chin in stealth and punch their lights out, kind of like a thunder carnage back in it’s heyday. But I’m a LONG way from unlocking that bot (like 13,000 xp away), so that’s not an option for awhile. Paragon and Killshot are the only other 8’s, but they’re too squishy for such extreme CQC. Shadow+shotgun used to own in early beta/soft launch but they both got nerfed as things changed. As a result, I dont think either are that worth investing in. I did a recent review on shadow. He is ok, but there are plenty of other mechs that are better for general use that outclass him. I doubt he will achieve his former glory. Killshot was the other one I thought would be ok with the shtogun (melee dash to face; finish with the shotty). However, I think if you want to use him in that compacity the plasma canon is better and even that I felt was a bit meh as you rank up more. I tried the plasma cannons on Killshot and didn't like them at all, leaves the bot exposed for too long. Maybe if you were really, really good at strafing it might work, but I'm still floundering around a lot with these controls. I love the Javelins on the Killshot - because they have such a quick unload, that exposure problem is no more.
'Nother dumb noob question (might have been answered already, but I didn't see it) -- is it possible to have two of the same bot or two sets of the same weapon? From what I can tell, once you own one/one set, that's it, you can't have another one, unless in the case of weapons they're a different energy level. Just wondering, not really an issue; in fact it's a great approach to force you to diversify your weapon sets.
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Post by Redfiend on Aug 20, 2020 13:52:00 GMT -5
Shadow+shotgun used to own in early beta/soft launch but they both got nerfed as things changed. As a result, I dont think either are that worth investing in. I did a recent review on shadow. He is ok, but there are plenty of other mechs that are better for general use that outclass him. I doubt he will achieve his former glory. Killshot was the other one I thought would be ok with the shtogun (melee dash to face; finish with the shotty). However, I think if you want to use him in that compacity the plasma canon is better and even that I felt was a bit meh as you rank up more. I tried the plasma cannons on Killshot and didn't like them at all, leaves the bot exposed for too long. Maybe if you were really, really good at strafing it might work, but I'm still floundering around a lot with these controls. I love the Javelins on the Killshot - because they have such a quick unload, that exposure problem is no more.
'Nother dumb noob question (might have been answered already, but I didn't see it) -- is it possible to have two of the same bot or two sets of the same weapon? From what I can tell, once you own one/one set, that's it, you can't have another one, unless in the case of weapons they're a different energy level. Just wondering, not really an issue; in fact it's a great approach to force you to diversify your weapon sets.
You only get duplicate bots for ranking them all the way up to 6?. Same for th e weapons that cost 10+ energy. 2 is all you get on anything. |
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Post by scape211 on Aug 20, 2020 14:21:19 GMT -5
I tried the plasma cannons on Killshot and didn't like them at all, leaves the bot exposed for too long. Maybe if you were really, really good at strafing it might work, but I'm still floundering around a lot with these controls. I love the Javelins on the Killshot - because they have such a quick unload, that exposure problem is no more. Yea thats been my experience too. Plasma seemed nice out the gate early game, but they get harder and harder to compete as close range becomes less possible and better weapons become available. The shotguns even more so. My best use of the plasmas has been on a beefy guy as a brawler (juggy or ares) or shadow being sneaky. Shadow is worse for me since mine is at the base 8 energy. But it's actually nice for javelin/rocket mortar hunting if it becomes required. Some of you may not have hit the later game yet, but once rocket mortars start hitting the field it's a pain as some guy will just sit in the back of the map and get some kills. That always urks me. Seems like such a boring and cheap way to play. But eh, to each their own. edit: with that is a minor thing to consider - some weapon groups or mechs arent worth unlocking. Not just because of the resources to unlock, but also because once you do, they start showing up in your daily challenges. I cringe whenever I get the 'get MVP with shotgun' one. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 20, 2020 18:14:09 GMT -5
I’ll tell ya what ... since I jumped back into this game, it’s getting harder and harder to go back into W R, even just to watch ads and keep the WS going. This even after a string of awful games this afternoon.
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Post by mechtout on Aug 20, 2020 18:38:41 GMT -5
Is this deal for a bot and two weapons for $3?
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 20, 2020 18:41:22 GMT -5
Is this deal for a bot and two weapons for $3?
Oh damn, I’d sure jump on it. Oh wait ... I think I already did. Yes, I did.  |
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Post by mechtout on Aug 20, 2020 18:42:06 GMT -5
Is this deal for a bot and two weapons for $3?
Oh damn, I’d sure jump on it. Oh wait ... I think I already did. Yes, I did.  I think im in such shock compared to War Robots that I can't believe it. I had to double check to make sure it wasn't just for skins lol |
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 21, 2020 4:45:08 GMT -5
Is this deal for a bot and two weapons for $3? Oh damn, Iâd sure jump on it. Oh wait ... I think I already did. Yes, I did. Rub it in, will ya? 「fluffernutter」ing devs, releasing the game in the wrong countries, thus banning me from purchasing any offer. I am bombarded with all those offers I can't purchase anyway. |
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Post by scape211 on Aug 21, 2020 7:02:59 GMT -5
Oh damn, Iâ??d sure jump on it. Oh wait ... I think I already did. Yes, I did. Rub it in, will ya? ?fluffernutter?ing devs, releasing the game in the wrong countries, thus banning me from purchasing any offer. I am bombarded with all those offers I can't purchase anyway. Where are you from? I think the game is in most places now. I'd check to see if its in your area. I know when it was in India for me I couldn't buy anything because I'm in the US. But since its out here now, I just had to redownload the game and it worked. I just had to make sure I used my Plarium or Facebook to link the account. If you don't, you would lose all your data. Actually this just made me realize I probably need to change that link in most of my video descriptions to the global app store links.... |
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Post by scape211 on Aug 21, 2020 7:04:37 GMT -5
Oh damn, I’d sure jump on it. Oh wait ... I think I already did. Yes, I did. I think im in such shock compared to War Robots that I can't believe it. I had to double check to make sure it wasn't just for skins lol What were you guys paying for in War Robots? I remember when I used to play a couple years ago it didn't feel required to buy stuff. But the pricing can hike up with games as they get older. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 21, 2020 7:15:59 GMT -5
I think im in such shock compared to War Robots that I can't believe it. I had to double check to make sure it wasn't just for skins lol What were you guys paying for in War Robots? I remember when I used to play a couple years ago it didn't feel required to buy stuff. But the pricing can hike up with games as they get older. Early on, I bought premium for about 6 months, and dumped another few $$$ on big gold offers to speed up lots of upgrades. And I may have bought a few bots in the $20-$30 range when something I wanted came up. Since I deleted that account a few years ago and started (and restarted) several new accounts, the only thing I buy now is the 600 Au for 99¢, and even then I try to only grab those when there’s an accompanying good freebie in the daily tasks, so even those purchases are pretty rare now. I’m so jaded with W R and it’s money-grabbing devs, I have a hard time justifying giving these people anything. Mech Arena, on the other hand, seems to be very aware of keeping the game balanced, even within the scheme of advancing and unlocking progressively more powerful weapons and bots. Their offers so far also seem to be much more reasonably priced, although skins and paints look a bit steep. But hey, I’d rather players dump money into those kinds of things than adding to an absurd power gap. |
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Post by scape211 on Aug 21, 2020 7:29:42 GMT -5
What were you guys paying for in War Robots? I remember when I used to play a couple years ago it didn't feel required to buy stuff. But the pricing can hike up with games as they get older. Early on, I bought premium for about 6 months, and dumped another few $$$ on big gold offers to speed up lots of upgrades. And I may have bought a few bots in the $20-$30 range when something I wanted came up. Since I deleted that account a few years ago and started (and restarted) several new accounts, the only thing I buy now is the 600 Au for 99¢, and even then I try to only grab those when there’s an accompanying good freebie in the daily tasks, so even those purchases are pretty rare now. I’m so jaded with W R and it’s money-grabbing devs, I have a hard time justifying giving these people anything. Mech Arena, on the other hand, seems to be very aware of keeping the game balanced, even within the scheme of advancing and unlocking progressively more powerful weapons and bots. Their offers so far also seem to be much more reasonably priced, although skins and paints look a bit steep. But hey, I’d rather players dump money into those kinds of things than adding to an absurd power gap. Ah ok. I was under the impression that people where spending more on new bots or whatever in War Robots. $20-30 isnt horrible, but if it becomes the regular that you need to keep up with then thats an issue for sure. And it sounds like thats the case from all the p2w talk I hear. Mech Arena is certainly not in that space and as you said, the real expensive offers are for cosmetics so it's reasonable. Hopefully it stays that way. Personally I hope they expand on the loot rush idea to create seasons or battle passes. Those feels like the new going model of fairness between what you pay and how you play to earn it. Otherwise the games become who has the biggest wallet. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 21, 2020 8:04:18 GMT -5
Early on, I bought premium for about 6 months, and dumped another few $$$ on big gold offers to speed up lots of upgrades. And I may have bought a few bots in the $20-$30 range when something I wanted came up. Since I deleted that account a few years ago and started (and restarted) several new accounts, the only thing I buy now is the 600 Au for 99¢, and even then I try to only grab those when there’s an accompanying good freebie in the daily tasks, so even those purchases are pretty rare now. I’m so jaded with W R and it’s money-grabbing devs, I have a hard time justifying giving these people anything. Mech Arena, on the other hand, seems to be very aware of keeping the game balanced, even within the scheme of advancing and unlocking progressively more powerful weapons and bots. Their offers so far also seem to be much more reasonably priced, although skins and paints look a bit steep. But hey, I’d rather players dump money into those kinds of things than adding to an absurd power gap. Ah ok. I was under the impression that people where spending more on new bots or whatever in War Robots. $20-30 isnt horrible, but if it becomes the regular that you need to keep up with then thats an issue for sure. And it sounds like thats the case from all the p2w talk I hear. Mech Arena is certainly not in that space and as you said, the real expensive offers are for cosmetics so it's reasonable. Hopefully it stays that way. Personally I hope they expand on the loot rush idea to create seasons or battle passes. Those feels like the new going model of fairness between what you pay and how you play to earn it. Otherwise the games become who has the biggest wallet. That’s the problem - the rare $20-$30 bot offers plus premium plus gold purchases added up to a few hundred $$$ over the course of 6 months, and all it did was rush me higher up the leagues into whale territory and the added frustrations that come with it. It all made my game experience worse, not better. It was clear then that what I had already spent wasn’t nearly enough to make much of a positive difference, and that’s when I caught on to the psych games they’re running on their players. Contrast that to Mech Arena, where for $3 I bought a bot and weapons that I’ll be able to take deep into the game. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 21, 2020 8:33:06 GMT -5
Early on, I bought premium for about 6 months, and dumped another few $$$ on big gold offers to speed up lots of upgrades. And I may have bought a few bots in the $20-$30 range when something I wanted came up. Since I deleted that account a few years ago and started (and restarted) several new accounts, the only thing I buy now is the 600 Au for 99¢, and even then I try to only grab those when there’s an accompanying good freebie in the daily tasks, so even those purchases are pretty rare now. I’m so jaded with W R and it’s money-grabbing devs, I have a hard time justifying giving these people anything. Mech Arena, on the other hand, seems to be very aware of keeping the game balanced, even within the scheme of advancing and unlocking progressively more powerful weapons and bots. Their offers so far also seem to be much more reasonably priced, although skins and paints look a bit steep. But hey, I’d rather players dump money into those kinds of things than adding to an absurd power gap. Ah ok. I was under the impression that people where spending more on new bots or whatever in War Robots. $20-30 isnt horrible, but if it becomes the regular that you need to keep up with then thats an issue for sure. And it sounds like thats the case from all the p2w talk I hear. Mech Arena is certainly not in that space and as you said, the real expensive offers are for cosmetics so it's reasonable. Hopefully it stays that way. Personally I hope they expand on the loot rush idea to create seasons or battle passes. Those feels like the new going model of fairness between what you pay and how you play to earn it. Otherwise the games become who has the biggest wallet. Your impression of War Robots money spent is mostly correct though... a LOT of folk spend MUCH more than our Pasta loving friend here. Leveling is more expensive than acquiring (unless we're talking about the newest gear that is only available through chests.)
I was not a grinder so I spent a bit more to make up for that (I refuse to look and see just how much more for now) and I was nowhere near a whale. I was able to keep at least partially META viable with mostly mid level gear though, up until the Nucleon family of weapons, and could compete well enough even with much higher gear.
But lately, it's gotten out of hand.
I know that just buying Platinum for Titans, alone, is a big ole money hole where a bunch of people just threw hundreds of dollars down with very little return. Not to mention, again, the chest tokens to get the "latest and greatest most powerful" gear for normal bots, that just keeps getting eclipsed every few months. And they just made the most commonly bought Au items cost a lot more, recently, which was my last straw along with the ridiculous lag and performance issues that were introduced in the last update (for me at least, some folk do OK I think)
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 21, 2020 8:41:27 GMT -5
Oh damn, Iâ??d sure jump on it. Oh wait ... I think I already did. Yes, I did. Rub it in, will ya? ?fluffernutter?ing devs, releasing the game in the wrong countries, thus banning me from purchasing any offer. I am bombarded with all those offers I can't purchase anyway. Man, if I knew some way to log in as you and get you a few deals, I would!
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Post by scape211 on Aug 21, 2020 8:45:30 GMT -5
Interesting stuff. I had no idea how crazy it had gotten for War Robots.
On a similar topic - Have any of you ever played games with the battle pass format? I feel like thats the upcoming trend and more so what I hope Mech Arena adopts. Currently they are microtransaction based, but not loot crate dependent (meaning crates don't unlock key stuff). I like how it unlocks through the prize path, but I know they have other mechs and weapons they have teased. In those cases, it feels like season or battle passes makes more sense than throwing it on the prize path unless they adopt a new prize path. But if they are doing that, it would be like the loot rush which is basically like mini seasons. I dunno. It just seems like they have a weird hybrid right now. Don't get me wrong; I'm glad they arent loot crate or too microtransaction dependent. I just see how battle pass formats have been doing quite well for the player base and the revenue stream of games like PUBG or COD mobile. Makes me wonder if it will go well here.
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 21, 2020 8:50:21 GMT -5
I just see how battle pass formats have been doing quite well for the player base and the revenue stream of games like PUBG or COD mobile. Makes me wonder if it will go well here. Battle pass formats have done War Robots in, I think.
There is a huge player community waiting for a mech game that is not p2w. Or only mildly p2w.
We'll see where MA goes, but so far I like it.
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 21, 2020 8:51:22 GMT -5
Rub it in, will ya? ?fluffernutter?ing devs, releasing the game in the wrong countries, thus banning me from purchasing any offer. I am bombarded with all those offers I can't purchase anyway. Where are you from? I think the game is in most places now. I'd check to see if its in your area. I know when it was in India for me I couldn't buy anything because I'm in the US. But since its out here now, I just had to redownload the game and it worked. I just had to make sure I used my Plarium or Facebook to link the account. If you don't, you would lose all your data. Germany. Not released there. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 21, 2020 9:03:01 GMT -5
Interesting stuff. I had no idea how crazy it had gotten for War Robots. On a similar topic - Have any of you ever played games with the battle pass format? I feel like thats the upcoming trend and more so what I hope Mech Arena adopts. Currently they are microtransaction based, but not loot crate dependent (meaning crates don't unlock key stuff). I like how it unlocks through the prize path, but I know they have other mechs and weapons they have teased. In those cases, it feels like season or battle passes makes more sense than throwing it on the prize path unless they adopt a new prize path. But if they are doing that, it would be like the loot rush which is basically like mini seasons. I dunno. It just seems like they have a weird hybrid right now. Don't get me wrong; I'm glad they arent loot crate or too microtransaction dependent. I just see how battle pass formats have been doing quite well for the player base and the revenue stream of games like PUBG or COD mobile. Makes me wonder if it will go well here. As long as they don't go the War Robots Bait and Switch path of being generous in the first one, then steadily decreasing the value for each subsequent one. Modus Operendi for Pix, treat their customers like a heroin dealer gettin' em hooked on the cheap then steadily upping the cost.
They did start adding the premium currency in it... but... it's just not the same as it that first one was and I was seeing less and less of a reason to get it towards the end, especially after they split it in half for the same price.
Yeah, if MA provides a good reason to do it without hampering folks too badly that don't get it, I will be OK with it.
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Post by scape211 on Aug 21, 2020 9:20:02 GMT -5
Where are you from? I think the game is in most places now. I'd check to see if its in your area. I know when it was in India for me I couldn't buy anything because I'm in the US. But since its out here now, I just had to redownload the game and it worked. I just had to make sure I used my Plarium or Facebook to link the account. If you don't, you would lose all your data. Germany. Not released there. Ah ok. Sorry man. I assume they are working towards global. Some of my matches have the low wifi signal consistently when playing with others. I assume it's because most are in India so it's a long data travel, but if thats the case they probably need to make that better before global or the problem will just be compounded. |
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Post by mechtout on Aug 21, 2020 10:04:15 GMT -5
I think im in such shock compared to War Robots that I can't believe it. I had to double check to make sure it wasn't just for skins lol What were you guys paying for in War Robots? I remember when I used to play a couple years ago it didn't feel required to buy stuff. But the pricing can hike up with games as they get older. at one point Pixonic was out of their minds with $300 bots, the prices came down to $99, and are now down to $30 - $50. Weapons were $99 at some points, and now also $30 - $50, but that is for each one, many bots need 3 or 4 weapons. Also, the only access to the new weapons is cash or loot boxes, that exclusiveness last for about a quarter to half of the year. |
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Post by scape211 on Aug 21, 2020 10:14:12 GMT -5
Wow - thats insane. I cant imagine dropping $300 on any game. Let alone a mobile one in one sitting. Granted I can see how $300 could happen overtime but a single purchase of that size is crazy! $30-50 more reasonable, but if its only for one weapon when you need a few per bot....yikes.
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 21, 2020 10:53:56 GMT -5
When you see the tournament scores go nuts, just let the game demote you. If you rank in the tournament, and think you can secure the top spot to win 500+ premium by buying a handful of extra tickets, do it. Spend 60 to grind out extra games and win a bigger chunk of rewards daily. Skip out on days you cant win so you get another crack at the prize you know you already can win. Curious. Why let the game demote me? Why not simply stay in the same bracket? With luck, the grinders are in the higher bracket next day.
Difficult to hit the right points to stay, but shouldn't be too difficult.
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