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Post by blackknight42 on Apr 5, 2017 22:46:15 GMT -5
I just had my worst leaver/tanker battle. Took a screenshot. Basically me and 1 other on blue vs. 3 reds. Made for a target rich environment with decent damage, but a loss as the 2 of us couldn't keep up with beacons and ran out of bots. Stinks to lose league points in a matchup like that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 23:49:55 GMT -5
It is unfair that high levels desiendan to play with less experienced players and not be punished If you want fair, don't play a Pix game!
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Post by SATmaster728 on Apr 6, 2017 6:34:36 GMT -5
It is unfair that high levels desiendan to play with less experienced players and not be punished its been happening for a while. seal clubbing (look it up) was having low level bots with high level weapons. the same result happened, higher level people vs lower levels.
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Post by Robo Zero on Apr 6, 2017 10:58:46 GMT -5
the latest news is: it has arrived!
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Apr 6, 2017 11:04:37 GMT -5
the latest news is: it has arrived! Link?
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Post by Robo Zero on Apr 6, 2017 11:14:49 GMT -5
the latest news is: it has arrived! Link? just word on the street. Many tankers at silver/gold leagues got matched up with master, champion leagues... since this morning.
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Post by zer00eyz on Apr 6, 2017 11:18:59 GMT -5
just word on the street. Many tankers at silver/gold leagues got matched up with master, champion leagues... since this morning. This is MM taking a dump, not leaver protection... it happens. This is pretty old now but stuff like this goes on: imgur.com/a/Yxiow (this was posted before we even found out that leaver protection was still OFF)
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Post by Robo Zero on Apr 6, 2017 11:41:26 GMT -5
just word on the street. Many tankers at silver/gold leagues got matched up with master, champion leagues... since this morning. This is MM taking a dump, not leaver protection... it happens. This is pretty old now but stuff like this goes on: imgur.com/a/Yxiow (this was posted before we even found out that leaver protection was still OFF) no no no no, this time is different. It only occurs to tankers or recent tankers. normal accounts are not affected.
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Post by hurtbot on Apr 6, 2017 11:55:36 GMT -5
iOS leaver protection is now on. https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/comments/63u5cy/official_leaving_abuse_protection_is_now_on_on_ios/
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Post by zer00eyz on Apr 6, 2017 11:59:58 GMT -5
This is MM taking a dump, not leaver protection... it happens. This is pretty old now but stuff like this goes on: imgur.com/a/Yxiow (this was posted before we even found out that leaver protection was still OFF) no no no no, this time is different. It only occurs to tankers or recent tankers. normal accounts are not affected. As an android user, I am much bitter but progress is progress!
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Post by drjackal on Apr 6, 2017 12:03:38 GMT -5
Just wondering, will the winning team get AU? AG?
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Post by Robo Zero on Apr 6, 2017 12:08:32 GMT -5
Just wondering, will the winning team get AU? AG? Yes. AU and AG rewards are normal.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Apr 6, 2017 12:41:04 GMT -5
no no no no, this time is different. It only occurs to tankers or recent tankers. normal accounts are not affected. As an android user, I am much bitter but progress is progress! stuff usually gets stuck out on ios before android most of the time anyway.
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 7, 2017 4:51:00 GMT -5
Tanking still happens. I decided to take a screenshot of every battle with obvious tankers, and also screenshots of hangars that are in a league way too low (level 10/11 hangars in silver III for example), and report them to Pixo, asking to block those players from playing. And yes, you can tell that they're not simply lousy players by checking how they rule the game (they usually do if they're not tanking), and have a max damage over a million.
I'll do this only for blatant cases, but still, should be interesting to see how Pixo reacts. My prediction is still that the tanker league will not work, especially if players get any rewards for playing after being placed there, and Pixo needs to realize this.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Apr 7, 2017 5:03:40 GMT -5
Tanking still happens. I decided to take a screenshot of every battle with obvious tankers, and also screenshots of hangars that are in a league way too low (level 10/11 hangars in silver III for example), and report them to Pixo, asking to block those players from playing. And yes, you can tell that they're not simply lousy players by checking how they rule the game (they usually do if they're not tanking), and have a max damage over a million. I'll do this only for blatant cases, but still, should be interesting to see how Pixo reacts. My prediction is still that the tanker league will not work, especially if players get any rewards for playing after being placed there, and Pixo needs to realize this. As long as the tankers aren't in my matches, I don't give a flying fandango where they play, or what rewards they get.
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 7, 2017 5:27:31 GMT -5
They will be in your matches as soon as they have figured out how to avoid the tanker league. If it takes 50k damage, you'll see many players scoring 70k damage and ejecting or becoming statues after that.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Apr 7, 2017 6:15:19 GMT -5
They will be in your matches as soon as they have figured out how to avoid the tanker league. If it takes 50k damage, you'll see many players scoring 70k damage and ejecting or becoming statues after that. ... so change it to 75, then back to 50, then to 66. Mess with their minds. Anything's better than the current [poopsicle].
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 7, 2017 6:36:22 GMT -5
Nah, you can't set the bar too low. Some player may get "real" low damage values, sometimes you are just picked off by snipers, some players get unfavorable matchups (britbot vs. stronger britbot) and some players experience disconnects. For any single game, there is no clear cut criteria for tanking.
And the way out of this is easy: Just go back to a hangar based matchmaking. A bit more intelligent than the old one, sure, to avoid blatant seal clubbing. Also protect players of low levels by giving a bonus (easier opponents) for players who have levels below 30 or less than 1000 wins, bonus depending on level and number of wins. Poof - tankers are gone, because tanking gives no longer an advantage in any way. Seal clubbing will be difficult at least, because using low level hangars will match the wannabe clubbers against other level 30 players with 1000+ wins. All the other problems solved, we can now squad with lower level clanmates, we can run changeup hangars with medium robots or even an all-light hangar.
There is not a single negative consequence of this. So why does Pixo dig in and insists on keeping the new MM? Sigh.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Apr 7, 2017 6:38:59 GMT -5
They will be in your matches as soon as they have figured out how to avoid the tanker league. If it takes 50k damage, you'll see many players scoring 70k damage and ejecting or becoming statues after that. ... so change it to 75, then back to 50, then to 66. Mess with their minds. Anything's better than the current [poopsicle]. that is why pix did not release any information about the old mm. you could bet mag gepards would not be the only issue.they need to keep it a secret to prevent gaming the system.
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Post by blastronaut on Apr 7, 2017 7:58:21 GMT -5
As an android user, I am much bitter but progress is progress! stuff usually gets stuck out on ios before android most of the time anyway. They did switch your MM first so it's only fair I guess. Also you guys are good guinea pigs because the iOS player pool is so much smaller (~1/3 of Android).
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Post by tsunisterbr on Apr 7, 2017 8:20:16 GMT -5
I'll say this again: I still can't see how it's going to stop who, say, wins 1 match and loses other 2 on purpose, just stay in the same league.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Apr 7, 2017 10:39:24 GMT -5
I'll say this again: I still can't see how it's going to stop who, say, wins 1 match and loses other 2 on purpose, just stay in the same league. It's not meant to do that. It's not the holy grail of anti-tanking. It's an initial step in fixing the extraordinarily bad implementation of the league system which allows a high-level player to brutalize new players for easy wins.
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Post by hurtbot on Apr 8, 2017 6:38:13 GMT -5
It's not meant to do much of anything as far as I can tell. I've had leavers on one side or the other in my last 5 matches. There were 4 leavers in my last match alone. I don't see how they can make any kind of an effective fix without altering the fundamentals on which the league/mm is built.
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Post by Zombie BBQ on Apr 8, 2017 8:55:14 GMT -5
Does anyone know or have the contact information so the technical issue could be brought to their attention? There is a thing in game ..Just type in your question and they will E-mail you back..The first E-Mail will be the generic blah blah, but someone will send you a follow up to address your problem.. they are actually really good about it..
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Post by hyderier on Apr 9, 2017 10:15:47 GMT -5
Only way to stop seal clubbing, tanking etc sosiopathic behavior under current system is to make people want to be as high in leagues as they can. So, playing in low league with 12/12 bots (which is sad) gotta net less Au, than playing 6/6 bots in a high league (which would be kind of heroic, if managing to stay there).
One solution would be to give same small gold, like 1 Au, for all on winning side (this is reward for grinding in current league level), and then give daily gold (1st win) based on league (more Au as reward for getting to high league).
That'd stop tanking there and then, very few would be willing to tank to get less daily gold, in order to gain even twice as many 1 Au win rewards. Everybody would rush to go up, because there would be no reason to stay low, just as it should be with the current MM.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Apr 9, 2017 10:30:25 GMT -5
There is only one protection and that shall never be introduced, I guess: you can't join a new battle as long as the one you leave is going on. Once it takes you 3 hours to shed a tier your ditching or tanking becomes frustratingly long. Annoying for the few times one has a legitimate reason to quit or for when one loses connection, but for the overwhelming majority of players it would be immensely better.
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Post by lilryry on Apr 9, 2017 18:19:14 GMT -5
There is only one protection and that shall never be introduced, I guess: you can't join a new battle as long as the one you leave is going on. Once it takes you 3 hours to shed a tier your ditching or tanking becomes frustratingly long. Annoying for the few times one has a legitimate reason to quit or for when one loses connection, but for the overwhelming majority of players it would be immensely better. in WoW if you leave a battleground you're tagged a deserter and get a 15 minute debuff that prevents you from joining any more bg's
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Post by lilryry on Apr 9, 2017 18:22:52 GMT -5
It's not meant to do much of anything as far as I can tell. I've had leavers on one side or the other in my last 5 matches. There were 4 leavers in my last match alone. I don't see how they can make any kind of an effective fix without altering the fundamentals on which the league/mm is built. guessing it can only stop the worst of the tankers, if they ditch 20 matches in a row and suddenly are put in the tankers league word will get out and they'll ditch 19 and then play one match to reset the count. This whole thing is so silly, instead of bandaiding the situation with patches for the next year why not implement some sort of level protection into the mm?
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Post by WorstAimEver on Apr 9, 2017 19:07:03 GMT -5
I'm so glad leaver protection is active now! But I'm confused as to why I'm in the leaver league. I never tank games (though I skip certain maps) and I'm trying to break out of Expert 1. So now I'm stuck within 50 points of Master 3 with no way to get there because I'm stuck in Leaver league getting matched against non-leavers.
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Post by forestwalker on Apr 9, 2017 19:37:11 GMT -5
I'm glad it's active too. Never made this much gold tanking. Thanks pix! I never tanked down below silver, and I stopped tanking last week. But now I'm in the tanker league and I'm raking in the gold. And I'm facing bronze and recruit without tanking. Thanks again Pix, you nay not be able to fix your other problems, but you can sure skew up match maker.
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