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Post by blastronaut on Apr 11, 2017 19:51:44 GMT -5
Oh dear. If this match maker was used on a dating site I would be matched to a suspender-wearing rubber inflatable sheep with revolving tonsils or, even worse, matched to one of those ugly lizards that run on their hind legs. Having said that, I still enjoy playing the game. Through clenched teeth ok, but I still enjoy it. So that's NOT what you are into? I guess I was totally mistaken about you.
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Post by piginapoke on Apr 12, 2017 1:54:29 GMT -5
Oh dear. If this match maker was used on a dating site I would be matched to a suspender-wearing rubber inflatable sheep with revolving tonsils or, even worse, matched to one of those ugly lizards that run on their hind legs. Having said that, I still enjoy playing the game. Through clenched teeth ok, but I still enjoy it. So that's NOT what you are into? I guess I was totally mistaken about you. Those lizards are so fickle.
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Post by anjian on Apr 13, 2017 6:09:30 GMT -5
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Post by BingiDredd on Apr 13, 2017 22:26:52 GMT -5
Come guys use ya heads. If its a under match game (6,5,4, vs 2, 3 bots) and the underdogs have the good grace to stay leave the beacons and go stuff'em with 12 orkans and thunders. No time to collect 'D'
''Respect the Underdog'' lol.
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Post by Fishin_Chip on Apr 15, 2017 10:57:21 GMT -5
Did not want to include Pixonic's image to avoid any infringement, but just add this to the end of the "what's next" facebook post.
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Post by anjian on Apr 17, 2017 8:59:58 GMT -5
Here are my observations.
In general, there are two kinds of MM, or I shall say, the most common.
Equipment based matchmaking. Based on the tiering of your tank, mech, plane, ship, or whatever. If it has respawns, and you get a drop deck, this is based on the tiering of the highest units on the drop deck.
The cons of this matchmaking form is that its prone to seal clubbing.
Then there is W/L rate based matchmaking. The objective of this matchmaking is to equalize all the players to a 50/50 equilibrium in W/L. In my observation, this kind of matchmaking ends up creating frustrating losing streaks for players.
Then there is a kind of matchmaking that is the hybrid of the two. Rather than fix the problems, it seems to combine the disadvantages of the two into a single package.
There is also a player tier or player stat matchmaking. The disadvantage of this form of matchmaking is that it leads to "carriers" carrying a team of potatoes. It doesn't really offer anything more than W/L rate matchmaking.
There is also format type matchmaking. An example of format based is having one third of a team comprising of light mechs, one third with medium mechs, one third with heavy mechs. This however doesn't work with games with respawns using drop decks. Format based matchmaking is better only for games with repeat respawns, meaning you respawn on the same mech or mech class as the one you started with, and that will be your class for the rest of the game.
Format type matchmaking is often used with other forms of matchmaking, including equipment tier based, player tier based, player w/L rate.
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Post by BingiDredd on Apr 17, 2017 16:46:26 GMT -5
i've had enough. Pix when you sort your s**t out let me know. Till then I'm out.
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Astronimus
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Post by Astronimus on Apr 23, 2017 13:28:18 GMT -5
Since the other day with whatever that patch was, the MM algorithm has matched me with players much higher than me. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 is up with that? Since the new map came in I have even been in matches with legend league players, and my hanger is about level 8/9 vs 12./12. I went from being close to 60% win rate to around 40% win rate. They need to fix this or I'm gone and will not spend another dime on this game that has always seemed to be in favor of those that spend a lot of money and then seal club the hell out of those that do not spend a lot of money on this game. Another thing Pixonic should do is make VIP worth doing. If I'm going to spend a monthly fee then I want something more than a little extra silver. 500 extra gold per month is a start and a discount on weapons and upgrade time.
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IWantToBeAChickenNug
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Bye game :D))))
Posts: 49
Karma: 8
Pilot name: Reaper's 镰刀
Platform: iOS
Clan: 东淫西贱南荡北色
League: Diamond
Server Region: Asia
Favorite robot: Carnage
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Post by IWantToBeAChickenNug on Apr 26, 2017 3:10:05 GMT -5
Yes I've been facing the same kind of situation as well. ALL the players ini my team doesn't actually cap beacons and that really does put a lot of pressure on with the whole enemy team having almost full gold bots/weapons level 8-9. This kind of extreme method seem to be the only way of winning for me now with the mm: The other team always cap four out of five beacons. EVEN if our spawnpoint is right next to it. My team just seems SO FULL OF people playing with their old stinky shoes in their hand that they can't kill a thunder carnage with a thunder/mag leo, while I'm fighting my wee-wee off against galahads for a beacon. In a stalker. 2v1. Currently considering buying another stalker (yes I am serious). The battlefield is now full of gold bots/weapons, I can see an average of 3 zeus carnages, 2 ancilots, 3 galahads, and 2 gareth per round. Excluding the amount of gold weapons. I'm gonna continue my daily routine of "dropping into gold 1 three times and climb up again" now.
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MM RANTS!
Apr 26, 2017 7:09:20 GMT -5
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Post by miscanthus on Apr 26, 2017 7:09:20 GMT -5
Just dropped from 60% down 32%. On my way back up now 48% at the moment. Not sure how many more times I am willing to do this.
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yhondeh
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Post by yhondeh on Apr 26, 2017 20:55:02 GMT -5
I have been just doing daily tasks/3 wins since this MM hit live because it is just annoying. I really thought Pix was working to fix this, but I have not seen any improvement and I am really getting sick of playing this game even for the daily tasks now. I have played a little less than a year and it was fun for a while, but I am just about done.
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maxboxer
GI. Patton
Posts: 148
Karma: 27
Pilot name: maxboxer
Platform: Android
Clan: Black Ops3
League: Gold
Server Region: Europe
Favorite robot: carnage
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Post by maxboxer on May 5, 2017 1:55:23 GMT -5
I've noticed a logical progression in my winning rate...i start a season in a legue, win 50% of Battle For a period, near the end of the season beginning to win more, the last days Climb in superior league, win almost of all Battle till Reach the half or more of the new League, season ending and fight to decide the position in the new League, lose five to start in middle /lower position, win 50%,Lose 60%, Fall in the lower League, win 50%,win60%, Climb again in superior League, win 50%,win 60%, win all....and so on
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Post by anjian on May 10, 2017 11:00:20 GMT -5
I've noticed a logical progression in my winning rate...i start a season in a legue, win 50% of Battle For a period, near the end of the season beginning to win more, the last days Climb in superior league, win almost of all Battle till Reach the half or more of the new League, season ending and fight to decide the position in the new League, lose five to start in middle /lower position, win 50%,Lose 60%, Fall in the lower League, win 50%,win60%, Climb again in superior League, win 50%,win 60%, win all....and so on Yeah, experiencing the same thing. Its almost predictable.
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patriot
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MM RANTS!
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Post by patriot on May 10, 2017 18:40:28 GMT -5
What a load of crap! My first battle today resulted in a full squad of Iron Smiles Champions against a random team of 1 Champion and 5 Diamond 3 players. This was Pixonic's response: ##- Please type your reply above this line -## Oksana Oksana (Pixonic) May 11, 01:20 +03 Hello! Thank you for contacting War Robots technical support. I fully understand your concern regarding our matchmaking system. Please, let me elaborate on how the system functions currently: As you're probably already aware, earlier our system lead to unfair team balance some players felt comfortable with while many other players were put at a significant disadvantage. Unfortunately, you may still experience rather frustrating mismatches (like the ones described in your letters), and we're truly sorry for the inconvenience caused. The system will be leveled out when everyone is put into appropriate tiers. Being a foundation of the long awaited League system, tiers are primarily skill based, making it more challenging for players to improve and climb up the competitive ladder. As soon as majority of players are sorted to their appropriate tiers, matchmaking should accommodate players' need for satisfactory balance during battles. Previous system worked in such a way that players progressing quite fast or the ones in possession of only one or two powerful robots were put against veterans which ended miserably for either side, as both could not enjoy gameplay. The former due to not being able to be effective in battles, and the latter due to not facing basically any significant opposition. The new system addresses this concern. You can still utilize all robots in your possession, of course, although some of them are going to prove much more effective than the others in respective tiers. Moreover, there will be more space for diversity with different game modes planned to be introduced in the future. We strongly encourage you to play more with your preferred line-up so the system could put you into a desired tier and you could enjoy satisfactory gameplay & balance. I also encourage you to take a look at the official blog post explaining the changes performed in a bit more detail. It's available here: warrobots/new-matchmaking-what-it-is-all-about-and-whats-next-69698fcc7929#.5qb6kf7s0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">medium.com/ warrobots/new-matchmaking-what-it-is-all-about-and-whats-next-69698fcc7929#.5qb6kf7s0 We do continue working on the system and we appreciate all feedback received from players, whether it's negative or positive. We greatly appreciate your deep interest in our game and your concern. Best regards, Oksana. War Robots support-team. ?Patriot? ?Patriot? May 10, 14:28 +03 Blue Team = 1 Champion, 5 Diamond 3. Red Team = 6 Champions from Iron Smiles Clan. Matchmaking is ruining this game. Is that your idea of a balanced match? ____________________________ nickname : ?Patriot? serverId : aa3da78f-3e58-4c74-ae4f-434747e6777b Language : English operatingSystem : Android OS 7.0 / API-24 (NRD90M/170870046cca0)|deviceModel : LGE LG-H910 FB_C: False ; FB_Fr: Unknown Attachment(s) Capture+_2017-05-10-06-22-57.png
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Gungirl
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Pilot name: Intrigue
League: Diamond
Server Region: North America
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Post by Gungirl on May 20, 2017 20:10:03 GMT -5
So this is a pic of a match I just had. Everyone on my side was either in silver or bronze league. I was the highest in diamond. Everyone on the other team was either in master, expert or champion. It wasn't fun for me and I can't say it could be fun for the team that won. Now I realize that the other team was in a squad, but isn't there any better match making than this? In the past ten matches I've been in, I've either won (hands down) or lost (big time), nothing in between. How can match making be SO broken? Pixonic please, no more maps, no new bots, until you fix this! Whoever programmed it doesn't know what they're doing or has missed some crucial bit of code. FIX THIS PLEASE!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 5:58:20 GMT -5
This was absolutely ridiculous. Just played on Dead City. I am in Gold 2. The opposing team were 4 Gold 1 and 2 Gold players. The lowest scorer on my team was a Gold 1 player obviously fading. The next one up was Bronze for goodness sake with a Level 1 Cossack, Level 3 Destrier and a base level Vityaz. The other players were Gold 3. What a joke. I can only assume the pool of players to draw from is quite small.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 2, 2017 9:40:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I had a game last night that was mostly going down the pooper. I was on my last bot, still fairly healthy, when I got whacked with 3or 4 pulses of something that killed me right there. No way something like that should be anywhere near a game I'm in.
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jesseinator1000
Destrier
Posts: 45
Karma: 8
Pilot name: Jesseinator1000
Platform: iOS
Clan: Purity
League: Silver
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Gareth
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Post by jesseinator1000 on Jun 14, 2017 10:41:44 GMT -5
Well, the most annoying thing is when I get matched with AFK players. I once played a game where we had an AFK Gareth and an AFK Raijin. Because of them, two of our actual players quit, and then its me(a Gareth) and one other guy(a GL Patton) and we lose to three Fujins, two Destriers and a Golem. Then, once our hangars are completely empty and we are spectating, thats when the AFK PLAYERS DECIDE TO START HELPING. We lose of course and its all their fault. What were they doing the whole game?!? Making sandwiches? Its really stupid and I hope the AFK players get banned.
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markin
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Post by markin on Jun 16, 2017 12:24:06 GMT -5
i play online games during more than 15 years, its about more than 400 diferent games and plataforms, runned good clans on PC games, on Playstation and played most of many types of gameplay, but 5 years ago, i made a decision, no more expensive high end computers, just celphones and ipads.Was the better choice to have fun at low cost, careless about FPS anymore hehehehe....
In fact, the new MM is killing the game, just because IT mix mid-players(9/9, 10/10) against 12/12. mix specialist league against champion or higher....the result is simple, you play 1, 2,3,4,10 games got frustrated and stop.....
All games needs and WANT your money, but when you have a very cool game, in a nice enviroment, good mechanics and with clear and simple ways to have fun/WIN, making those changes, and all of them are not working well, i feel sad, specially with players, the rookies and the middle ones, and for sure i not feel confortable and happy to open my wallet......
When the guy, spend his precious time, and money sometimes, to up his gears, to have better performance, and the game just make a change, oh yes , there change is for the BEST for the entire game.... and he look at his gears and its now is useless, how he feels? "i got cheated"......
Now the games is a festival of missiles, maybe they want to change to "war missile robots", and those players who spend time and even money, to grown there chain or energy weps, now are trying to survive and updating his missile weapons..... hmmm maybe in 1 month to have then OK....and at that time.... the superb developers change again, nerfing some, improving others .....i remember the Molots, etc, and suddenly, they "work" on Tulumbas, etc... so sad..... again
and the last, but not least..... the leagues and the "karma"..... ask higher players and "tank" clans about that..... they are the guys who LOVED that "change".... more Au, more gold, more cups, easily..... against mid players, of course.....sorry about big post and sorry also for my grammars mistake, english is not my native language, i hope you guys understand my words
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 16, 2017 16:58:46 GMT -5
Why is it I can compete at Silver 1, usually between 50-60% win rate, but as soon as I hit Gold 3 it's like they drop a piano on my head. I'm either instantly at the bottom of the damage list, and/or I'm on a team that couldn't hold a single beacon if their life depended on it. It's not even gradual -- it's like somebody flips a switch and I'm suddenly attacking battleships with a peashooter and it's just nonstop losing.
And then they conveniently tease me with a $15.99 Galahad.
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Post by bilbobaggins on Jun 16, 2017 17:09:10 GMT -5
Why is it I can compete at Silver 1, usually between 50-60% win rate, but as soon as I hit Gold 3 it's like they drop a piano on my head. I'm either instantly at the bottom of the damage list, and/or I'm on a team that couldn't hold a single beacon if their life depended on it. It's not even gradual -- it's like somebody flips a switch and I'm suddenly attacking battleships with a peashooter and it's just nonstop losing. And then they conveniently tease me with a $15.99 Galahad. Well, obviously because you went from the top tier of one league (Silver 1) to the bottom tier of the next league (Gold 3)... so you're now competing against Gold 2 and Gold 1 players instead of Silver 2 and Silver 3 players...
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 16, 2017 17:58:33 GMT -5
Why is it I can compete at Silver 1, usually between 50-60% win rate, but as soon as I hit Gold 3 it's like they drop a piano on my head. I'm either instantly at the bottom of the damage list, and/or I'm on a team that couldn't hold a single beacon if their life depended on it. It's not even gradual -- it's like somebody flips a switch and I'm suddenly attacking battleships with a peashooter and it's just nonstop losing. And then they conveniently tease me with a $15.99 Galahad. Well, obviously because you went from the top tier of one league (Silver 1) to the bottom tier of the next league (Gold 3)... so you're now competing against Gold 2 and Gold 1 players instead of Silver 2 and Silver 3 players... Well apparently only the red teams got the memo, because everybody on the blue teams is playing like total 「fluffernutter」ing morons.
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Post by bilbobaggins on Jun 16, 2017 18:14:29 GMT -5
Well, obviously because you went from the top tier of one league (Silver 1) to the bottom tier of the next league (Gold 3)... so you're now competing against Gold 2 and Gold 1 players instead of Silver 2 and Silver 3 players... Well apparently only the red teams got the memo, because everybody on the blue teams is playing like total ?firetruck?ing morons. What makes you say your teammates are morons? What are they doing that you dislike/disapprove?
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Post by bilbobaggins on Jun 16, 2017 18:44:53 GMT -5
Okay... matchmaking is off today... just played a match with Silver 1, Gold 3/2/1, and Diamond 3 players on both teams. I have never seen Diamond players in my battles before! No, I'm not in LQ. I don't leave battles.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 16, 2017 18:45:38 GMT -5
Well apparently only the red teams got the memo, because everybody on the blue teams is playing like total ?firetruck?ing morons. What makes you say your teammates are morons? What are they doing that you dislike/disapprove? Rampant camping, seemingly more than usual, though it could just be my imagination. Ignoring beacons, sometimes just a few meters away. Generally a total lack of any semblance of teamwork. Yeah, these things all exist in the lower leagues, but one would expect there to be less of it, not more, in the higher leagues where you assume the skill level would be at least marginally higher. Like I said, it's like somebody flipped the Stupid switch.
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Post by bilbobaggins on Jun 16, 2017 18:53:17 GMT -5
What makes you say your teammates are morons? What are they doing that you dislike/disapprove? Rampant camping, seemingly more than usual, though it could just be my imagination. Ignoring beacons, sometimes just a few meters away. Generally a total lack of any semblance of teamwork. Yeah, these things all exist in the lower leagues, but one would expect there to be less of it, not more, in the higher leagues where you assume the skill level would be at least marginally higher. Like I said, it's like somebody flipped the Stupid switch. I don't know what others consider Gold (3), but I don't consider it a higher league... Diamond+ = higher leagues.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 16, 2017 19:35:59 GMT -5
I don't know what others consider Gold (3), but I don't consider it a higher league... Diamond+ = higher leagues. Did you yourself not just point out Gold being a higher league than Silver as the reason for stiffer competition? That's what I mean by 'higher league'. My problem here is, why does it seem that the competition level has only gone up on the red side. Doesn't matter now anyway -- I lost enough that I made a record-setting plummet back to Silver 1.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 19, 2017 10:14:25 GMT -5
So Saturday was a carbon-copy of Friday -- started the day at Silver 1, made Gold 3, then immediately got brutally hammered for like 5 games straight. But I somehow managed to not get busted back down to Silver, and I managed to stay at Gold 3 ever since. I've been paying attention to the levels and rank points of players on both teams (that is, when I'm not totally meched out long before the end of a match), and the match-ups are all over the place. Sometimes I'm in with all higher ranking Gold players on both sides, and then once in awhile I'm the only Gold on the field among all Silvers. I have no idea why or how, as I've managed to keep enough points long enough to stay in Gold the whole time. But if that's the way it's gonna work, then I'll just have to roll with those losing streaks and hope I can stay in the Gold through them.
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mrx4vi
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MM RANTS!
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Post by mrx4vi on Jun 19, 2017 23:46:39 GMT -5
So MM is like : oh you are doing great, what if the next 8 match i put you in a team of stupid, left handed, mediocre, beacons ignores, revengers, myopic, unlicensed pilots? Think we'll be fun (「fluffernutter」)
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jesseinator1000
Destrier
Posts: 45
Karma: 8
Pilot name: Jesseinator1000
Platform: iOS
Clan: Purity
League: Silver
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Gareth
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Post by jesseinator1000 on Jun 20, 2017 9:34:17 GMT -5
So MM is like : oh you are doing great, what if the next 8 match i put you in a team of stupid, left handed, mediocre, beacons ignores, revengers, myopic, unlicensed pilots? Think we'll be fun (「fluffernutter」) remove the left handed part and i wont be triggered by this
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