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Post by SuperHero on Feb 25, 2017 11:36:15 GMT -5
Rant about the MatchMaker here!
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Post by kingzam on Feb 25, 2017 18:31:15 GMT -5
I thought we were going to get an detailed explanation of how the new matchmaking works. Is it really only or mostly built on damages? Some strange things, fishy even, for example, why are some of my team members much lower than me in avg damage and wins while the opposition is at times quite a bit higher? There just doesn't seem to be a consistency that holds true time after time. If matchmaking is based on a certain simple principle then why are we seeing such a diversity on how the teams are organized. With thousands of players in the pool, there should be plenty of people that are close to our numbers in regards to damage and win/loss averages. It just seems that the new matchmaking is all over the place. I am also noticing I am getting the same maps many times in a row. If it is random, then I should see a different map much more often. If you flip a coin 50 times, with pretty much certainty you will get tails about 25 times and heads 25 times, how is it then, in my last 20 games i got Yama and Springfield about 17 of them. Something just doesn't add up, anyone else with similar issues/concerns? My damages and wins were pretty good, I am now on a downward slide (rubber band effect) and it just seems that odds are stacked, thanks
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Post by hulkz1 on Feb 25, 2017 19:22:18 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by osang on Feb 26, 2017 10:14:37 GMT -5
Same here. I'm getting the same maps more often, maybe 5 times in a row.
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Post by nocluevok on Feb 26, 2017 10:28:18 GMT -5
Opposite here. I've have a great run of wins over 2 days. Even when we lose I've been in the top two consistently. I'm beginning to wonder if Pix has suspended movement up or down in the league's. I wasn't that far from moving up to Silver when the update went sideways. Not being able to see the standings sucks.
Competition wise, it's been pretty even, although I'm seeing lots of bots and weapons I can't buy yet with WSP. That could be because I'm not a noob and know how to play... even with my hand in a splint. Sucks trying to drive a bot without the use of my thumb.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Feb 26, 2017 10:32:22 GMT -5
Opposite here. I've have a great run of wins over 2 days. Even when we lose I've been in the top two consistently. I'm beginning to wonder if Pix has suspended movement up or down in the league's. I wasn't that far from moving up to Silver when the update went sideways. Not being able to see the standings sucks. Competition wise, it's been pretty even, although I'm seeing lots of bots and weapons I can't buy yet with WSP. That could be because I'm not a noob and know how to play... even with my hand in a splint. Sucks trying to drive a bot without the use of my thumb. I suspect that this is true. On another note, we open an MM rant thread and I see damn near no ranting. Guess it's just not fun with out a big audience, or maybe it's Troll nap time still.
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Post by nocluevok on Feb 26, 2017 10:40:44 GMT -5
LOL. Takes all the fun out of it, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 11:14:49 GMT -5
Damn thing sucks! In addition its a thread about MM ranting. So if one wants to praise MM, maybe one should start a separate thread.
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Post by kingzam on Feb 26, 2017 11:16:51 GMT -5
And i have plenty to rant about..lol if I knew how to put pics on here, I got stories..lol
At the moment I'm at 46% win, 420k avg damage, I'm still falling as they are matching me with 750k, 680k, 650k guys full tilt 12/12 while my team is 9/9 and one guy was 11/11's .. Even though greatly mismatched, it almost seems as though they are working on people mentally, "[We'll pound you down so you will need to spend to be competitive]"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 11:35:02 GMT -5
Same here. I'm getting the same maps more often, maybe 5 times in a row. Its like a Springfield hell.
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Post by phoenix232 on Feb 26, 2017 17:23:22 GMT -5
It's garbage. Solo drop, 30 seconds in 1-2 people quit. 80% chance enemy team is a premade. Always outgunned.
GARBAGE! :/
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Feb 26, 2017 18:06:00 GMT -5
I have been mainly reading, and not posting. But, if we're in the league rating system - with tiers. Why does it seem like myself and others are still going up and down? And yes same map over and over
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Post by hellblack777 on Feb 26, 2017 18:39:45 GMT -5
this system is total crap i just got battle vs full clan and we lost they done 3mil damage and we done 1mil is this balanced ?? really 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 happen to the game???
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Post by kingzam on Feb 26, 2017 22:53:25 GMT -5
this system is total crap i just got battle vs full clan and we lost they done 3mil damage and we done 1mil is this balanced ?? really 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 happen to the game??? Hellback I am seeing the same thing, been losing game after game all day, when i win I'm in the bottom three (4th, 5th, and 6th place) when i lose which is 60-65% of the time many times I am in the top two. The game is pretty much unwinnable. They made it that you need to spend more and more and the more you spend the higher you go, but there is always someone who spent more or is on team red and they spent more or has better skills. When people start to feel they cannot win a game, they ditch, they tank, they quit the game entirely or slow down playing, not fun losing 65% of the time simply because the competition is way overpowering. I am starting to think Pixonic purposely designed the game to be unwinnable and once damage reaches such and such level, expect to start on your losing slide till 1 of 2 things happen. 1) you spend more and upgrade equipment to meet competition levels or 2) you simply lose enough games and your averages drop low enough you can be competitive again. It is a vicious cycle and Pixonic took a lot of the fun out of a game, that used to be fun.
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Post by kingzam on Feb 26, 2017 23:40:46 GMT -5
My MM theory part 1
I would like to cover this whole theory about why so many people are writing in about when they win they are in the bottom three, when they lose they are in the top two spots.
For me most games I perform about the same each time, I quit changing around my hanger as I found a certain set up that I LIKE to use the most.[The word "LIKE"] - Not that these are my favorite bots, but because they work best for me. Galahads are what I use the most and I have four all the same power. The other bot is a Fury but at times I switch over to a Carnage (these are set up for long range maps. If I see the team needs help or I run out of my Galahads, I'll bring out my long range to equalize the situation ) I don't switch maps and so I run on them all. Those following my post will see how I feel about switching maps and what it is doing to the game. I must say though, the Galahads seem to be the most versatile robot for pretty much any map.
My average damage right now is around 460k and my games run between 400k to 500k with spikes as high as 750k or low as 200k (mostly map related and how many death button or tridents might come across)
So the question is, if my averages are about the same, then why am i losing so much? Right now based on the rubber band effect, I am on my downward slide and my losses are now about 60-65%. The competition generally has higher averages, sometimes close to my average and many times the competition is 100-300k higher average damage than myself. [note: once I am at a point to where my losses had bottomed out, the competition is much easier and I will start to win once again. It also seems that everyone on the blue team is better than the red team as well. It's as if, the group I am in can't be competitive to some higher up group, but we are more powerful than a group just lower than us. Respectively, the group higher than us, is not competitive to a group higher than them, and the group just below us, is more powerful than the group below them.] This makes sense as so many people are experiencing the same phenomenon, and it doesn't much matter what level they are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 23:51:41 GMT -5
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Post by kingzam on Feb 27, 2017 0:04:02 GMT -5
Theory part 2
So could it be that I am in a group with others that are in this downward slide together? It could very well be, as somehow matchmaking is teaming people together that have reached a imaginary threshold and are now grouped against superior teams. I need to verify this by looking over all the numbers, I think some losses are coincidence and some wins are coincidence, but overall there might be something to all of this. I bet that once that imaginary threshold is met, the odds are definitely stacked against us and the competition can be quite a bit higher than our levels. I know for a fact, I am seeing in many of my losses AND wins that those on the red team have better bots and weapons and therefore averages, and those filling the top three spots on the blue team as well have better bots and weapons and therefore averages. Not all of the time, but a lot of the time.
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Post by FunkenA on Feb 27, 2017 15:43:07 GMT -5
THIS GAME SUCKS... I purposely load medium bots like ROG Carnages and GEPS cause I can not stand the game at the top with trebs tridents zeus everywhere.
I was placed in silver league... I'm still facing triple treb trident furies.. basically anytime I try to cross a map with a rog or gep or any fast moving bot within seconds I'm obliterated.. So these bots are worthless in many games.. SO why even bother having them in the game if the game is all heavy slow movers that dominate the dmagae upon which all will be judged and yet you still get matched against these players even when you load lower hangars
Since I despise the slow heavy bot range game crap fest the higher up you climb, there is no place to play this game and have any resemblance of a fun unless sitting close to your spawn point and trying to pick off range players with range bots is your idea of fun gaming
When geps ruled the game was fast and fun.. Now its slow boring snooze fest.. I remember when I started playing.. I could never compete in damage and geps ruled so I did all the beacon dirty work till I got my hangar and survived geps for months... Never complained.. I was a newbie and I persevered.. fast forward to the chronic whiners about geps and the end result is a crappy boring game
I went from maintaining 2500-3500 trophies to less than 200 now.. I could not even bring myself to play any matches this weekend, everytime I sat down I just said ?firetruck? it not worth it.. Today we get leagues back and I'm still up against the high lvl range bot stupidity..... 「fluffernutter」 it not worth it... so i'm looking for a replacement game....
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Post by buford on Feb 27, 2017 18:59:21 GMT -5
Now that I can see other players league rank, brings a whole new level of frustration. I can see I'm being matched against people so much higher rank then me. Just got thrown into a battle with all 12/12s and I'm 8/9. Of course we lost and I scored terribly with all the maxed bots. Lost 15 league points... errrr!
Was against a bunch of diamond through master level and I'm gold II. So stupid.
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Post by iKily on Feb 27, 2017 19:03:44 GMT -5
Only thing I really hate about the new MM (at least so far) is keep getting pushed into Springfield and Yamantau; it´s almost like if the game knew I don´t have any long range bots...
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Post by buford on Feb 27, 2017 19:23:29 GMT -5
Only thing I really hate about the new MM (at least so far) is keep getting pushed into Springfield and Yamantau; it´s almost like if the game knew I don´t have any long range bots... I think this is because many players skip these maps which creates a vacuum you get sucked into if you don't skip.
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Post by kingzam on Feb 27, 2017 21:32:07 GMT -5
I feel you Funkin, and everyone experiencing these issues. I feel there are three major issues here maybe four and it is causing all of these problems. Three of which are people manipulating the system the fourth might be issues with the matchmaking itself.
ISSUE 1) People picking and choosing maps. I know I am a broken record on this one, but I really believe this is seriously undermining the game in a way that puts more and more certain types of bots on certain maps. Until Pixonic sees the problem and if they fix it, this imo is a major problem and needs to be addressed immediately. ISSUE 2) People tanking.. Let me first say there are two type of tankers, the first type I will call legitimate cause tankers, those that are getting their butts kicked in every game and out of pure desperation tank themselves to relieve themselves of this nightmare. BUT the second type, I will call it high level tanking, this tanking is a crime, it is pure cheating. High level guys tanking so they can have a good time beating up on low level players, literally farming noobs.. smh ISSUE 3) Manipulation of the League System. This one goes along the lines of high level tanking. Basically blowing first five games to get a lower tier level at the start of a new series/season. This could very well be the reason why guys in lower tiers are seeing high level bots and weapons show up in their games. These High Level Tankers and League Manipulators could seriously be causing problems in the matchmaking, at the very least they are not helping things. These "cheats" need to be addressed as soon as possible by Pixonic, I will be writing them again to be sure. ISSUE 4) Matchmaking, This one is yet to be determined and to be honest, it may be very difficult to determine if matchmaking is the problem or is it high level tankers and league manipulators. Probably will be very hard to determine for much of the 30 day seasonseries of the league system unfortunately.
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Post by kingzam on Mar 1, 2017 11:05:37 GMT -5
To me the league system seems to be working much better. I am hoping my ranting days are over, actually started to use light and medium bots again.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Mar 1, 2017 11:07:55 GMT -5
It's all about league score which you can see and control.
Which explains everything, especially tanking.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 12:18:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand the point of the leagues when a Silver 3 7/7 hangars get matched against things like an Expert 3 12/12 hangars. League rankings apparently have no bearing on one's ability to win, only sheer damage output, and are not used in any manner to equalize matches. League ranking seems pointless having improved nothing within the gameplay and the MM still sucks 「bum-bum」.
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Post by AlienVoid on Mar 2, 2017 15:31:39 GMT -5
Im in Silver league and keep loosing to people in Diamond league. I just don't understand the balance to this. My hangar can not compete with 12/12 hangars. How am I supposed to play? Also this high damage reward thing is driving me crazy. Not many people are going for beacons. Just hammering the red button I really don't want to tank to find fair matches. This has been going on for a long time now, seems Pix doesn't care.
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Post by nocluevok on Mar 3, 2017 12:18:14 GMT -5
Talk about a beatdown, I'm in Silver II and just got tossed into a battle against 3 Expert League players. Straight 12/12 hangers. Really, Pix?
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Mar 3, 2017 12:41:41 GMT -5
Talk about a beatdown, I'm in Silver II and just got tossed into a battle against 3 Expert League players. Straight 12/12 hangers. Really, Pix? Ouch. I just finished a match with the enemy (3x Gold3 + 3x Silver1) vs my team (2x Gold3, 2x Silver1, 1x Silver2 and me, the only Silver3)! I did my average damage and got 3 beacons. We won. I was 6th, so +2 points. If we'd lost, that would've been -20. Nice. Are so few people playing the game that this happens? Surely not.
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Post by nocluevok on Mar 3, 2017 13:20:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand the point of the leagues when a Silver 3 7/7 hangars get matched against things like an Expert 3 12/12 hangars. League rankings apparently have no bearing on one's ability to win, only sheer damage output, and are not used in any manner to equalize matches. League ranking seems pointless having improved nothing within the gameplay and the MM still sucks ?bum-bum?. We must have been in the same match. I barely broke 80k.
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Post by nocluevok on Mar 3, 2017 13:56:19 GMT -5
It's all about league score which you can see and control. Which explains everything, especially tanking. I've lost 80 points and dropped average damage by 50k today... and I'm TRYING to win. If they can't fill 12 slots with equal players, let us play 4 on 4, or whatever number works.
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