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Post by aloksen7 on Oct 11, 2017 13:28:07 GMT -5
I think it would be better if the decrease its shield HP n tweak its dash regeneration a bit.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Oct 11, 2017 13:37:30 GMT -5
SMH. Pixonic made them OP on purpose, so you can use your hard earned money to buy them and have an advantage over everyone else. Would you buy them if they had 1 medium point, 50k HP and walking speed of 28 km/h? I don't get it, why are people defending them is beyond me. You can't. Not on paper, not in the game. There are many reasons people defend them. A large part of this community wants to win more than lose and believes they are better than everyone and somehow deserve a 50%+ win rate. However, they are in fact average as most people are. Many people who have problems with the matchmaker have them for that reason. So buying a Haechi gives them that 50%+ winrate and allows to be as good as they feel they should be. Of course, the reason they are good is they now have a massive advantage in terms of equipment, but they deny that because it would mean they aren't as good as they want to be (they conveniently ignore they couldn't be good before they began spending money). Also when mediocre players pilot overpowered robots, they won't be able to use them correctly and thus they don't feel overpowered, especially when they are thrown against better pilots.The very fact Guitar Guy argues that a PDB Griffin is equivalent or even better than a Haechi is evidence of this, he doesn't understand the strength of the Haechi. The best players know Haechi is much stronger, and it is why the Haechi is replacing the Griffin at the top. Another reason is that people don't want to be told their purchases are bad. If I buy a Subaru WRX and you tell me how dumb that was, that I should have bought a Mitsubishi Evo, and give me objective numbers about how it is better, I will feel bad. I don't want to feel bad, these guys don't either. So I just have to know.. what league are you in? I was in Champion League way before Dashes came out and usually hold about 7500 league points at the end of the month with around a 65% win rate. Am I a total beast? No. But I can assure im far from "Mediocre" as your comment implies and I somehow need these powerful bots to make myself "feel better". I have run a hanger of mostly Griffins in the past and me and my clan have done pretty well in the upper leagues and it isnt from playing "weak pilots". Look around the forum, talk to those in champ league iOS that have played with and against me and my crew before you make such big assumptions about my skill in this game. I never said the Plasma Griffin was "Equal" to a Haechi. I said that I have seen groups of skilled pilots in this load out wreck a group of DB Haechis on a open map. Oh, and if your iOS and up to a custom match im totally down. I wont run a single dash bot either. I dont know you so you could be a total beast and wreck me but I am willing to take that chance.. :-) Lets see how "unskilled" I really am...
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Post by Domino on Oct 11, 2017 13:55:32 GMT -5
Well, at least you admit you pay to win and believe that is a okay. I don't think money should have anything to do with whether or not you win. I think it should all come down to skill. And that is why I wouldn't pay a huge amount of money even though I can. It wouldn't give me satisfaction knowing I paid to win. In fact, knowing I didn't pay to win and outplaying a Haechi gives me satisfaction, and losing in a Haechi would make me feel like an idiot. I dont pay to win. I payed because I like the game and want to be competitive in Champion League. By the way, Owning two dash bots doesnt guarantee me wins it only helps me be a little more competitive in the upper leagues with my clan where they are everywhere. You knew War Robots sold "better" equipment with money when you started playing it, its only an issue now when its an amount you dont want to spend. If playing a game for free gives you satisfaction over spending money for your entertainment even if it makes it more enjoyable then thats your thing but hating on someone who is willing to spend is just childish. I'll happily give you more credit as you made it to TT without dashes obviously. but in your own words, "Owning two dash bots doesn't guarantee me wins it only helps me be a little more competitive in the upper leagues with my clan where they are everywhere". So in a more clearer term: If I don't have dashs, I will be an underdog vs. guys that do. If we just all agree that they are OP like 98% do and stop defending them/excuses/etc. More people would just play and not ?female dog?. I promise not to make a new thread about how OP they are or necropost one. The Ember has done a good job replacing the OP of the K-Bots anyways. But I hope you see the bigger picture that this new meta we are going down will leave the game in a much worse condition than it is now. Don't support that if you like this game (by support,I mean try to convince others that the k-bots are not OP, everything is great, just stay outside of the K-bots firing range, don't engage k-bots unless 5 other blues helping you at the same time 「dookie」ty advice that some people are giving)
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 11, 2017 14:21:18 GMT -5
it doesn't need to be rebalanced, they are easy to take apart if you time it right. Because you are facing noob Haechi pilots. I have a 10/10 Haechi, and am intermediately skilled....they are easy to hunt (not as easy as a Carny), but they are soft. Now with that said, I've played games where I started with a Haechi, and survived for 7-8 minutes. But that usually happens when everyone is a Griffin with missles and I just lucked out...I think the Koreans are reasonable.
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Post by MahWaffle on Oct 11, 2017 14:21:38 GMT -5
For nerfs, I would agree that the haechi should probably have 2 medium and 1 light hardpoints. This reduces the insane burst damage that it gets in addition to its spectacular mobility.
In addition to that, another nerf I would propose is not decreasing the ancile hp but rather decrease the ancile regeneration rate. With haechi's mobility, a player can easily maintain its durability (both keep it always active and have it charged up for their next encounter which, in comparison to the fujin, couldn't possibly do). This way, players have a better chance of taking it down in the long run while prompting haechi pilots to better pick their confrontation (rather than go rambo into any red bot they please).
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Oct 11, 2017 14:21:45 GMT -5
It's not defending them, it simply shutting the ?firetruck? up and playing the game as it is. There might be 1-2 years left in this title before they close it down...Then you can have your hate cake, and eat it too. In other words, Shhhh... don't make any noise about this injustice and let us k-bot pilots have the upper hand because we paid our dues. The worse thing Pixonic can do is allow more people access to these bots. Without a hard nerf, the go to hanger will be, 3xHaechi, Orkan but maybe a taran, 1xBulg for kewlness, 1xFury in case you land on Yama. Ancilot is no longer needed, too easy to destroy with Orkan Haechi, Dash in, kill, laugh, move on to next chubbs, rinse, repeat.. If this is what you want to see at the top, have fun, it's crappy enough with 3xAncilots, 1xFury, 1xGriffin. BTW: With the new Meta, the winner will not be by skill but who has the least amount of lag.. That's when Pixonic sells you a premium connection at a monthly cost Are you kidding me? "Injustice"... do you really see a mobile game as an injustice? Definition of injustice1 :absence of justice :violation of right or of the rights of another Your rights have not been violated because you can't afford, or choose not to purchase game content. Weezus H Price. The 'Game Justice Warriors' are starting to 「cotton headed ninny muggins」 me off.
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Post by Domino on Oct 11, 2017 14:24:09 GMT -5
In other words, Shhhh... don't make any noise about this injustice and let us k-bot pilots have the upper hand because we paid our dues. The worse thing Pixonic can do is allow more people access to these bots. Without a hard nerf, the go to hanger will be, 3xHaechi, Orkan but maybe a taran, 1xBulg for kewlness, 1xFury in case you land on Yama. Ancilot is no longer needed, too easy to destroy with Orkan Haechi, Dash in, kill, laugh, move on to next chubbs, rinse, repeat.. If this is what you want to see at the top, have fun, it's crappy enough with 3xAncilots, 1xFury, 1xGriffin. BTW: With the new Meta, the winner will not be by skill but who has the least amount of lag.. That's when Pixonic sells you a premium connection at a monthly cost Are you kidding me? "Injustice"... do you really see a mobile game as an injustice? Definition of injustice1 :absence of justice :violation of right or of the rights of another Your rights have not been violated because you can't afford, or choose not to purchase game content. Weezus H Price. The 'Game Justice Warriors' are starting to 「cotton headed ninny muggins」 me off. My bad, I thought I removed that and replaced with imbalance. Updated
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Post by GuitarGuy on Oct 11, 2017 14:24:21 GMT -5
You dont own any dash bots is why our so offensive about the idea of nerfing them. Admit it.. ( it does both ways) Nah, I own a dash. which one?
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Post by noobcake on Oct 11, 2017 14:28:05 GMT -5
The dash bots weapons are pretty insane and so is their mobility. However, nerfing either one of those stats would really destroy the bots. Instead, give them the carnage treatment--reduce the hp. This would make them glass cannons which require a high degree of skill to play.
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Post by Domino on Oct 11, 2017 14:30:58 GMT -5
Because you are facing noob Haechi pilots. I have a 10/10 Haechi, and am intermediately skilled....they are easy to hunt (not as easy as a Carny), but they are soft. Now with that said, I've played games where I started with a Haechi, and survived for 7-8 minutes. But that usually happens when everyone is a Griffin with missles and I just lucked out...I think the Koreans are reasonable. Hypothetical question: You were invited to a War Robots tournament, winner gets 1 Million dollars. You had to choose 5 bots in your hanger, any 5, with any weapons you want that fit the hardpoints of the bot. Which 5 would you choose and why?
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Post by Russel on Oct 11, 2017 14:34:59 GMT -5
I have a 10/10 Haechi, and am intermediately skilled....they are easy to hunt (not as easy as a Carny), but they are soft. Now with that said, I've played games where I started with a Haechi, and survived for 7-8 minutes. But that usually happens when everyone is a Griffin with missles and I just lucked out...I think the Koreans are reasonable. Hypothetical question: You were invited to a War Robots tournament, winner gets 1 Million dollars. You had to choose 5 bots in your hanger, any 5, with any weapons you want that fit the hardpoints of the bot. Which 5 would you choose and why? Of course 5 Hydra Cossack! Then make a livestream+youtube video and earn $2mil on ads and streaming donations while hysterically laughing.
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Post by agitator on Oct 11, 2017 14:40:56 GMT -5
Because you are facing noob Haechi pilots. I have a 10/10 Haechi, and am intermediately skilled....they are easy to hunt (not as easy as a Carny), but they are soft. Now with that said, I've played games where I started with a Haechi, and survived for 7-8 minutes. But that usually happens when everyone is a Griffin with missles and I just lucked out...I think the Koreans are reasonable. No there not soft, that’s the problem with them. They have more health than any other med bot in the game (unless you count Bulg as med I don’t). They have 8k less health than griffin. They have 20k less than lance who’s sheild is only effective vs 1 of the 3 damage types, Haechi’s sheild is effective vs 2 of the 3.
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Post by hon_shu on Oct 11, 2017 14:43:29 GMT -5
it doesn't need to be rebalanced, they are easy to take apart if you time it right. Ummm, no.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Oct 11, 2017 14:50:21 GMT -5
bronzeknee, thanks for taking time to share your view and suggestions. You don’t need to worry, if Pix follows its habits, you’ll get some kinda nerf. For now you just need to adjust your piloting to take them out as best you can. I have no further opinion on the subject. As for you talkin crap about someones piloting you know nothing of, you’ve been called out by Guitar Guy son, check it: “Oh, and if your iOS and up to a custom match im totally down. I wont run a single dash bot either. I dont know you so you could be a total beast and wreck me but I am willing to take that chance.. :-) Lets see how "unskilled" I really am...” What say you?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 14:54:54 GMT -5
I think the Haechi needs a strong nerf, but not a nerf like that. The whole point of Dashers a very fragile hit + run robot meant for skilled players.
Pixonic failed miserably in designing and introducing bots that are not fragile at all, but extremely difficult to kill due to an Ancile and a respectable sum of health.
Although I do agree with the Haechi having too much firepower, removing a medium would make difficult to kill robots. I think the Haechi should have the slots that the Glider robot has: slightly better firepower than the Rog and Kumiho, but less than a Fujin. The Haechi should also get it's health and Ancile cut down by 2/3s since it's nearly impossible to kill. Plasma Griffins do work against Haechis, usually you can only get 3 Taran bursts off before the Haechi does some double dash BS and kills you in 3 seconds.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Oct 11, 2017 15:00:54 GMT -5
Bulgasari See its all perspective. I do not own a Bulgasari and feel the physical shield on it is ridiculously strong. However, I wouldnt call for a nerf on it. You paid good money and or time that you had to grind to earn it and I feel you should be able to enjoy that advantage as long as Pixonic will allow it. As much as I would like to be able to bust the shield on it with trebs even when its half dead it seems I cant. Do I complain about it? Sometimes, but not to the point I feel they should remove some of its weapons mounts or screw with its shield. I'm finding other tactics for it with the help of my guys when we encounter them and learn way to defeat them, just like we did with the ancilot. :-)
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Post by Thunderkiss on Oct 11, 2017 15:02:13 GMT -5
....While I will not deny the power of the new K bots, they are not as overwelming if you plan the right tactics for it and quit trying to play so much mid and long range........ The Haechi is no stronger than a carnage or fujin, it just has superior mobility....... I'm not accustomed to you posting foolishness like this.
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Post by hi5 on Oct 11, 2017 15:06:25 GMT -5
If you remove a hard point it becomes too much like a Rog. I’d say nerf the heck out of the HP and shield so it’s even more of a glass cannon than a Carnage. Then the Ku needs to change one medium hardpoint to a light - it’s too fast for two Orks and needs to be more of a beacon runner.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Oct 11, 2017 15:07:31 GMT -5
....While I will not deny the power of the new K bots, they are not as overwelming if you plan the right tactics for it and quit trying to play so much mid and long range........ The Haechi is no stronger than a carnage or fujin, it just has superior mobility....... I'm not accustomed to you posting foolishness like this. Well, thats my honest opinion on it. I fight them all the time. I know there power. And my comment on too much mid and long range still stands too. I havent heard anyone comment on that though.
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 11, 2017 15:27:14 GMT -5
I have a 10/10 Haechi, and am intermediately skilled....they are easy to hunt (not as easy as a Carny), but they are soft. Now with that said, I've played games where I started with a Haechi, and survived for 7-8 minutes. But that usually happens when everyone is a Griffin with missles and I just lucked out...I think the Koreans are reasonable. Hypothetical question: You were invited to a War Robots tournament, winner gets 1 Million dollars. You had to choose 5 bots in your hanger, any 5, with any weapons you want that fit the hardpoints of the bot. Which 5 would you choose and why? My current hangar with higher level weapons....Maybe replace the Fuijin with another Haechi to piss everyone here off.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Oct 11, 2017 15:31:47 GMT -5
I'm not accustomed to you posting foolishness like this. Well, thats my honest opinion on it. I fight them all the time. I know there power. And my comment on too much mid and long range still stands too. I havent heard anyone comment on that though. No one is going to comment on that either, because you can't cure stupid
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Post by GuitarGuy on Oct 11, 2017 15:50:05 GMT -5
Well, thats my honest opinion on it. I fight them all the time. I know there power. And my comment on too much mid and long range still stands too. I havent heard anyone comment on that though. No one is going to comment on that either, because you can't cure stupid NICE! So now were stooping to insults... I will be sure to keep that in mind when you post something I dont agree with.. :-)
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Post by Thunderkiss on Oct 11, 2017 16:09:06 GMT -5
No one is going to comment on that either, because you can't cure stupid NICE! So now were stooping to insults... I will be sure to keep that in mind when you post something I dont agree with.. :-) I think you misinterpreted what I was saying......
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Post by Jame-thon on Oct 11, 2017 16:19:25 GMT -5
NICE! So now were stooping to insults... I will be sure to keep that in mind when you post something I dont agree with.. :-) I think you misinterpreted what I was saying...... Yeah I read that exchange very differently from how GG was reading it I think.
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Post by moflete on Oct 11, 2017 16:45:00 GMT -5
I thought you meant make dash bots count as using two hangar slots. It sounded like an interesting idea. I could get behind that. This, though, I dunno. Taking weapon slots off already sold/won bots is not ideal for a number of reasons. Some days ago I did suggest this in a post. OP bots / setups should count as 2 slots in hangar (Tarancilots, Korean family, Trebutch).
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Post by moflete on Oct 11, 2017 16:50:10 GMT -5
I think they should just be nerfed a bit (either speed, cooldown, health or a combination of all). Removing a slot or changing configuration in such a material manner might be an invitation to refund requests or even lawsuits (and I'm a lawyer.....XD), because these together with inquisitor might be the most expensive things Pix ever offered and we are talking here of three-figure spending, to say the least.
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Post by dude on Oct 11, 2017 17:01:28 GMT -5
Ok, I am going to throw out some unpopular opinions here. The rebalance viewpoint is coming from people who dont own these bots or spent the money on them so naturally they want them nerfed in some way because they feel its overpowered to there conventional hangars. This isnt fair to the people who have spent the money or grinded for keys to win one. Its my opinion that the reason many upper middle league players feel so threatened by them is because they get mixed in with Champion league players who usually have better CQC skills and know how to work in groups. One thing I have noticed lately with Diamond, Expert and many Master level players is the amount of long and mind range in hangar, some as many as 3 or 4 range bots and maybe two brawlers. This is a big problem when you hit any smaller maps an now half and sometimes over half of your hangar is simply ineffective to capture and hold beacons or to hold of any small group of red brawlers that are paired up. I have seen many top clans simply drop 4 plasma griffins at the beginning of a BR match and totally wreck a squad of Ork Haechis. While I will not deny the power of the new K bots, they are not as overwelming if you plan the right tactics for it and quit trying to play so much mid and long range. The Haechi is no stronger than a carnage or fujin, it just has superior mobility. When on big maps its very fragile out in the open. I would be willing to bet most of you only have problems with them on small maps. And this comes right back to honing your CQC skills and having a hangar that can brawl more than it can sit back and snipe with range. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by ʂωєєтცяєα∂ on Oct 11, 2017 18:41:54 GMT -5
I have a 10/10 Haechi, and am intermediately skilled....they are easy to hunt (not as easy as a Carny), but they are soft. Now with that said, I've played games where I started with a Haechi, and survived for 7-8 minutes. But that usually happens when everyone is a Griffin with missles and I just lucked out...I think the Koreans are reasonable. Hypothetical question: You were invited to a War Robots tournament, winner gets 1 Million dollars. You had to choose 5 bots in your hanger, any 5, with any weapons you want that fit the hardpoints of the bot. Which 5 would you choose and why? Orkans Orkans Orkans Orkans Orkans on any combo of medium or heavy bots (silver or gold).
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Post by ʂωєєтცяєα∂ on Oct 11, 2017 20:28:37 GMT -5
Ok, I am going to throw out some unpopular opinions here. The rebalance viewpoint is coming from people who dont own these bots or spent the money on them so naturally they want them nerfed in some way because they feel its overpowered to there conventional hangars. This isnt fair to the people who have spent the money or grinded for keys to win one. Its my opinion that the reason many upper middle league players feel so threatened by them is because they get mixed in with Champion league players who usually have better CQC skills and know how to work in groups. One thing I have noticed lately with Diamond, Expert and many Master level players is the amount of long and mind range in hangar, some as many as 3 or 4 range bots and maybe two brawlers. This is a big problem when you hit any smaller maps an now half and sometimes over half of your hangar is simply ineffective to capture and hold beacons or to hold of any small group of red brawlers that are paired up. I have seen many top clans simply drop 4 plasma griffins at the beginning of a BR match and totally wreck a squad of Ork Haechis. While I will not deny the power of the new K bots, they are not as overwelming if you plan the right tactics for it and quit trying to play so much mid and long range. The Haechi is no stronger than a carnage or fujin, it just has superior mobility. When on big maps its very fragile out in the open. I would be willing to bet most of you only have problems with them on small maps. And this comes right back to honing your CQC skills and having a hangar that can brawl more than it can sit back and snipe with range. This bro—well said.
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Post by ʂωєєтცяєα∂ on Oct 11, 2017 20:44:26 GMT -5
If you removed its dash, the haechi is basically a fujin then. Do you think a Fujin is Op as hell? I would bet not. If the Fujin's shield was forever on? Maybe... Please. Like a Carnage, Haechi’s Ancile gets knocked down very quickly by rockets and guns leaving it vulnerable to all forms of attack. There are MANY bots in this game (beyond Kbots) one could subjectively consider “OP” in the hands of the right pilot.
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