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Post by Nemo on Aug 19, 2018 10:51:23 GMT -5
I really don't understand, what is the purpose of hydra spamming? Why would anybody do that?
I watched Manni's video where he hydra spamms using spectre. He says he is having so much fun doing it. Well, this is a very sick way of having fun if you ask me. In another video he kills a spydra griffin and says it is a stupid setup, but he is running a hydra spectre on his account himself. I don't see any logic here.
Would like to hear an answer from an avid hydra user why are they doing it???
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Post by MarauderCatIsEdgy on Aug 19, 2018 11:10:55 GMT -5
because they are scared of the META
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 11:22:26 GMT -5
It is a good counter to Shocktrain Specters in TDM. Specters invariably hide, jump, shoot, go back into hiding. Hydras disrupt the flow of battle for the Spectre and can take them out. For other modes not so useful.
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Post by babypoppy on Aug 19, 2018 11:23:14 GMT -5
I'll run hydras until people stop running descend bots
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Post by dobby on Aug 19, 2018 12:00:52 GMT -5
because they are scared of the META Nope, try again. I own meta bots and weapons but I usually include a Hydra Spectre in my lineup; it isn’t to do with being scared or intimidated. Well, this is a very sick way of having fun if you ask me..... Would like to hear an answer from an avid hydra user why are they doing it??? Well I’m a very sick person, so says my therapist... That aside, up in Champ league it is infested with Spectre bots, particularly the Shocktrain Spectre variant, they spend most of the match popping up and insta-unloading high damage, after which they hide again. They are quite difficult to counter especially when there are a few or more on the field, so when that is the case I spawn with Hydra Spectre - wait for them to use their stealth (or force them to trigger it if necessary) then I unload full salvos into them sequentially. I don’t always pull it off, but usually I take at least 2 Shocktrain Spectres off the field before I drop another bot. Also, try the forum search, there are a lot of previous posts with similar questions and responses; might offer you some more insight. |
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Post by Zero Jee on Aug 19, 2018 12:09:39 GMT -5
So, you think because YOU don't enjoy a particular style of gameplay, it's automatically invalid. Hmmmm. . . I think you are the problem bud. -also- Did you really need to make two seperate posts for what is virtually the same complaint? Does your wee-wee hurt that much? Here's my answer: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/27060/sniping-fun(Next time use that nifty little search feature to find out if anyone else has mede similar baseless comlpaints, so as not to add to the already infinite list of whiners who can't adapt.) |
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Post by hi5 on Aug 19, 2018 12:13:30 GMT -5
Hydra is one of the counters shocktrains, especially specter shocktrains. IMO shocktrains have elevated several builds/weapons to a more prominent role than they would be otherwise. Anything with a range higher than 500 and or has splash/homing effect.
I don’t like facing Hydras, but prefer them to the pop tart shocktrain camping. IMO Hydras take more skill than schicktrains and there’s is an art to landing them on hidden opponents. (And likewise an art to not getting hit by them.)
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Post by Nemo on Aug 19, 2018 13:08:53 GMT -5
That aside, up in Champ league it is infested with Spectre bots, particularly the Shocktrain Spectre variant, they spend most of the match popping up and insta-unloading high damage, after which they hide again. They are quite difficult to counter especially when there are a few or more on the field, so when that is the case I spawn with Hydra Spectre - wait for them to use their stealth (or force them to trigger it if necessary) then I unload full salvos into them sequentially. I don’t always pull it off, but usually I take at least 2 Shocktrain Spectres off the field before I drop another bot. If you are not targeting other bots than specter and shocktrain bots then respect. |
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Post by BB on Aug 19, 2018 13:41:23 GMT -5
I brawl 90% of the time I’m playing War Robots so I need a break to kick back once in awhile and slowly drive you out of your mind while lobbing rockets at you from a nice safe distance in my shiny he-she. If that doesn’t sound like fun, then why do I giggle and chuckle so often while I’m doing it? I also enjoy running vortexes on my other he-she as well as chucking aphids from my 4 gepards.
It’s a “celebrate diversity” kinda thang.
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Post by windcaster on Aug 19, 2018 14:20:18 GMT -5
Hydra is fine if you have a group.. last night was in a match on canyon TDM.
5 out of 6 red' stuck together and made camp.
one of them was a hydra user but couldn't get close without taking on all the reds at once.
A hydra user by them selves is lunch but when they're in a group the fire support worked pretty well.. ended up loosing my quiz to it.
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Post by careyfan on Aug 19, 2018 15:02:15 GMT -5
Before TDM came out, I was vehemently opposed to using hydras in any game format.
After TDM came out, I was forced to rethink this. Hydras have their place, even in champion league. They are mid range "disruptor" weapons that are useful for flushing enemy bots out of hiding so that your teammates can finish them off. If the enemy stays camped behind walls for too long, they're going to eventually get hit by hydra spam. A well played hydra bot can be very valuable to your team. They can inflict pretty solid damage on enemy specters, too.
Hydras are NOT useful in domination, KOTH or beacon rush. In general, teammates who use hydras in those game modes are a net negative to your team because they're too passive and not doing enough damage to make enough of an impact.
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Post by babypoppy on Aug 19, 2018 15:57:51 GMT -5
Before TDM came out, I was vehemently opposed to using hydras in any game format. After TDM came out, I was forced to rethink this. Hydras have their place, even in champion league. They are mid range "disruptor" weapons that are useful for flushing enemy bots out of hiding so that your teammates can finish them off. If the enemy stays camped behind walls for too long, they're going to eventually get hit by hydra spam. A well played hydra bot can be very valuable to your team. They can inflict pretty solid damage on enemy specters, too. Hydras are NOT useful in domination, KOTH or beacon rush. In general, teammates who use hydras in those game modes are a net negative to your team because they're too passive and not doing enough damage to make enough of an impact. I'd say they are useful in domination if you've gained ground. Further ahead they protect territory and flush out reds from behind cover. In the case of a Fujin Hydra it also provides cover to your team from rockets. |
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Post by bayscout on Aug 19, 2018 17:14:27 GMT -5
I really don't understand, what is the purpose of hydra spamming? Why would anybody do that? I watched Manni's video where he hydra spamms using spectre. He says he is having so much fun doing it. Well, this is a very sick way of having fun if you ask me. In another video he kills a spydra griffin and says it is a stupid setup, but he is running a hydra spectre on his account himself. I don't see any logic here. Would like to hear an answer from an avid hydra user why are they doing it??? Because someone always has to be the villain or because of psychopaths. I vote psychopaths. |
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Post by bronzeknee on Aug 19, 2018 17:19:56 GMT -5
because they are scared of the META Scared? Hydras are part of the meta right now. They are a great answer to Spectres with Shocktrains, and there is a lack of Ancile shields at the top. |
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Post by lewis on Aug 19, 2018 22:37:14 GMT -5
I really don't understand, what is the purpose of hydra spamming? Why would anybody do that? I watched Manni's video where he hydra spamms using spectre. He says he is having so much fun doing it. Well, this is a very sick way of having fun if you ask me. In another video he kills a spydra griffin and says it is a stupid setup, but he is running a hydra spectre on his account himself. I don't see any logic here. Would like to hear an answer from an avid hydra user why are they doing it??? Area denial and distraction of the enemy. Solid part of military doctrine. Hydra griffins are also not the same as hydra specters. |
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Post by codebrown on Aug 19, 2018 23:00:48 GMT -5
I used to hate Hydra bots... -Like, I'd go out of my way to hunt them down and kill them. Then I'd find them after they respawned, and kill them again! 
Now, not so much. They're still annoying, and if I need to hunt them down and kill them for spamming me, I certainly do. But with the stealth/dash meta, it's not a priority anymore.
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Post by Nemo on Aug 20, 2018 1:17:13 GMT -5
Before TDM came out, I was vehemently opposed to using hydras in any game format. After TDM came out, I was forced to rethink this. Hydras are NOT useful in domination, KOTH or beacon rush. In general, teammates who use hydras in those game modes are a net negative to your team because they're too passive and not doing enough damage to make enough of an impact. Well, TDM is horrible and hydra users make it even more horrible. Some TDM matches become hydrafest where both teams are pounding each other with hydra. When I see this I just press the leave button and get the hell out. Hydras are very effective in every mode, especially on open maps in lower leagues. I'm on diamond and there are a lot of people who have upgraded hydra to levels 12, 12mk2 at the expense of more useful stuff like orkans and tarans. And those hydras can wipe out an unshielded bot in 2 salvos, you can't even approach them and kill, especially when they are protected by teammates who also use hydra or zeus. I don't run any shielded bots so there have been situations when I'm pounded by hydra all game and can't do anything, because when I leave cover my bot is as good as dead, so score lowest damage on my team and hydra jerk in enemy team scores top damage. |
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Post by rags on Aug 20, 2018 1:26:21 GMT -5
Complaining about hydras is so 2000 and late
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Post by milty72 on Aug 20, 2018 1:34:49 GMT -5
Bring on the hate. Hail Hydra.
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Post by Nemo on Aug 20, 2018 2:16:18 GMT -5
Complaining about hydras is so 2000 and late So what, the problem is still there. Bring on the hate. Hail Hydra. F.ck you. People who have sick fun at the expense of other people instead of having fun for all. I don't get this. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 2:39:41 GMT -5
working on my chimera, just to have my lancelot with 2x hydra and the chimera. I don't like using hydra or any long range, but with all the spectres my short range bots just get toasted... so I am forced to do so. And sometime you just feel the frustration on the other side  Same goes for my lvl5 Natas with noricums and zeniths |
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Post by garunixreborn on Aug 20, 2018 2:43:05 GMT -5
because they're 「kitty cats」 who are too afraid to help their team in any way possible
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Post by Tatamat on Aug 20, 2018 2:45:47 GMT -5
As an achievable (i.e. non-component and still reasonably upgradable) counter to
- Dashbots
- Shocktrain builds
- Descend bots
- (Pulsar / Shredder once they come to lineups)
Worth saying, Hydra is not universal. Shining at TDM, but much less useful for Dom and BR where a position has to be claimed, and garbage for KotH.
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Post by milty72 on Aug 20, 2018 2:51:24 GMT -5
Complaining about hydras is so 2000 and late So what, the problem is still there. Bring on the hate. Hail Hydra. F.ck you. People who have sick fun at the expense of other people instead of having fun for all. I don't get this. Give me a H. Give me a Y. Give me a D. Give me an R. Give me an A. What's that spell?
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Post by Zero Jee on Aug 20, 2018 3:05:41 GMT -5
So what, the problem is still there. F.ck you. People who have sick fun at the expense of other people instead of having fun for all. I don't get this. Give me a H. Give me a Y. Give me a D. Give me an R. Give me an A. What's that spell?
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Post by Zero Jee on Aug 20, 2018 3:07:28 GMT -5
because they're 「kitty cats」 who are too afraid to help their team in any way possible . . . says the guy with a sniper Raijin for his forum pic. |
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Post by hjn on Aug 20, 2018 3:21:26 GMT -5
Complaining about hydras is so 2000 and late So what, the problem is still there. Bring on the hate. Hail Hydra. F.ck you. People who have sick fun at the expense of other people instead of having fun for all. I don't get this. First of all watch your words Second, it is not sick fun, it is a legitimate weapon (I don't run it and it does annoy me as much as you) and it is effective, it kills you while you are brawling so we are not doing brawling right |
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Post by psyflex on Aug 20, 2018 5:32:20 GMT -5
I have a Spydra Griffin in my main hanger for different reasons. For example, the reds sometimes occupy the meatgrinder (middle beacon) on Yamantau and my team is not able to conquer it. So instead trying it alone and getting my whole hanger shredded very quickly, i curve my rockets into the meatgrinder, taking out the reds one by one and sometimes my team decides to make a push, when there are less reds. The build is also good to take down the HP of reds that are approaching one of our beacons, so that in the moment they are arriving at our beacon, my blue team mate(s) have an easier job, as 1/2 or 2/3 of the enemies HPs are already gone. Furthermore i often see in matches, that a red Kumiho or Spectre is taking out multiple heavy blue bots, so i stop that with my Spydra too, since the rockets can't be avoided without cover, an Ancile or stealth. On certain maps it is also good to force snipers into cover and/or take them out completely. etc... etc... etc...  |
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Post by atreyu888 on Aug 20, 2018 5:47:10 GMT -5
I understand hydras at higher levels to counter ST spec, and that's about it. And I set think you would see less hydra bots if it weren't for ST spec. So yet again ST and spec are at the core of a negative part of this game.
I'm starting to see a pattern here lol.
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Post by milty72 on Aug 20, 2018 6:32:57 GMT -5
I have a Spydra Griffin in my main hanger for different reasons. For example, the reds sometimes occupy the meatgrinder (middle beacon) on Yamantau and my team is not able to conquer it. So instead trying it alone and getting my whole hanger shredded very quickly, i curve my rockets into the meatgrinder, taking out the reds one by one and sometimes my team decides to make a push, when there are less reds. The build is also good to take down the HP of reds that are approaching one of our beacons, so that in the moment they are arriving at our beacon, my blue team mate(s) have an easier job, as 1/2 or 2/3 of the enemies HPs are already gone. Furthermore i often see in matches, that a red Kumiho or Spectre is taking out multiple heavy blue bots, so i stop that with my Spydra too, since the rockets can't be avoided without cover, an Ancile or stealth. On certain maps it is also good to force snipers into cover and/or take them out completely. etc... etc... etc... If you have a hover chuck your spydra onto that. You might lose a spiral but you get greater airtime and it lobbs your missiles over walls better. Plus you can perch in some at times really handy locations. The hover moves better on the ground as well. And the cool down matches the reload. If you think hydras drive reds nuts fly in behind the spawn point on Yama and spam from behind. Yes I'm evil.
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Same goes for my lvl5 Natas with noricums and zeniths
