Nemo
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Post by Nemo on Aug 19, 2018 11:53:04 GMT -5
Sniping in war robots has nothing to do with actual sniping, because a real sniper needs to have skill to hit his target, while shooting at a square doesn't require such a skill. So what are these so called 'snipers' doing it it? Are they really having fun?
Zeus, gekko, hydras, noricum, zenith, trebuchet etc have ruined so much games for me. I can't understand, how anybody can have fun using these setups? They don't want to play and don't give others an opportunity to play. So stupid...
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Post by Zero Jee on Aug 19, 2018 12:00:11 GMT -5
Well, that's one (very narrow minded) perspective.
Sniping is fun.
Camping is not sniping.
Know the difference.
Perhaps try it yourself before posting dumb statements.
I have personally saved my team from losing in a sniper set up. In fact in many situations a good sniper can be a key player in taking the win.
There is a great deal of variety in gear for a reason, and there is a use for every set up in the game, albeit some are more situational than others.
People are just unimaginitive as to how games should be played.
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Post by taz24 on Aug 19, 2018 12:18:18 GMT -5
Zeus carnage or Zeus Gekko Natasha are fun builds. I wouldn’t class them as snipers though, more like midrange. I think new players use thes build or genuine sniper builds because they may not have 5 slots in their hanger and need a robot that they can run for 5 minutes so they can stay in the game. Also until you have orkans/tarans any attempt at close in fighting tends to be not very effective.
Getting hit with zenit/noricum really hurts if your in an unshielded bot so people think this is effective until they start using these weapons and realise they miss most of the time and that you lose a lot of games because you can’t hold beacons or support your team.
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Nemo
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Post by Nemo on Aug 19, 2018 12:49:35 GMT -5
I have personally saved my team from losing in a sniper set up. In fact in many situations a good sniper can be a key player in taking the win. I don't play for a win, I play to have fun. I don't see any fun in pointing gekko or flux to anybody and draining his HP, don't need even try it. There are a lot of games where my team lost and still the game was fun to play. I don't regret loosing this way. And I don't get any fun when my team wins because of a sniper. People could brawl on any map, even canyon, if it wasn't for snipers like you.
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Post by Zero Jee on Aug 19, 2018 13:12:11 GMT -5
This just happened, on carrier. I rest my case. This was my team (only the snipers, yes more than one!) when we dropped. . . . we didn't mech out, and won the match easily. Myself and the other "snipers" kept the center clear for our cappers. Only one of the rangers "camped". The rest were moving with the feild and securing the back beacons.
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Post by ranchpig on Aug 19, 2018 13:40:03 GMT -5
It really depends on many factors, map, team composition, enemy composition, etc. I personally find it boring, but they do have a place in LR hanger. I just don't prefer it. Most sniper bot platforms and weapons are slow. It definitely takes skill (loosely defined) for certain weapons.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Aug 19, 2018 14:13:31 GMT -5
Op, snipers have their place in the game. I particularly like having one on my team because it keeps red snipers and artillery occupied enough for me to get my trench sweeper mechs close and tear them a new (french canadian accent) "household".
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Post by Zero Jee on Aug 19, 2018 14:32:10 GMT -5
I have personally saved my team from losing in a sniper set up. In fact in many situations a good sniper can be a key player in taking the win. I don't play for a win, I play to have fun. I don't see any fun in pointing gekko or flux to anybody and draining his HP, don't need even try it. There are a lot of games where my team lost and still the game was fun to play. I don't regret loosing this way. And I don't get any fun when my team wins because of a sniper. People could brawl on any map, even canyon, if it wasn't for snipers like you. You are very narrow minded. It's players like you who ruin the variety in a game, thinking everyone has to play like you, and if you don't like it, it must be wrong.
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Post by careyfan on Aug 19, 2018 15:11:45 GMT -5
You're talking about mid and long range bots. They have their place in the game. Different people enjoy different ways of playing.
If you want to become a well rounded War Robots player, you have to learn how to brawl AND play the mid-range/long range game.
Brawling is more useful overall. But if you don't know how to use mid-range/long range bots on certain maps (and in certain game modes like TDM), then you're not only fighting at a disadvantage, you're not recognizing how to counter those bots because you don't understand them enough.
The problem is when people are afraid to brawl, so they "camp". And most people who camp and are afraid to lose their bots are making a number of mistakes. They're not being mobile enough. They're not recognizing when they need to adapt to the real-time game conditions and brawl.
For example, in a game of KOTH on dead city, if you're using a treb butch, you are DEFINITELY hurting your team. But on Canyon map-domination, you could be giving your team an advantage.
If you think it's not "fun" to play against snipers, I get it. But you'll need to adjust your mindset so that you can take advantage of the game situations. If the enemy has a treb butch camping in the corner on Dead City, you're better off leaving him alive in most cases....because he's actually hurting his own team.
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Post by atreyu888 on Aug 19, 2018 16:22:25 GMT -5
Yes sniping is fun... Zues gecko Matty was great coming up, I still run my molot kang dae natty in E3 sometimes just because I love playing it.
My disco leo was awesome... Corner shooting zues carnage with my gekkos then popping out with the flux after the zues s popped.
I loved my zues treb butch and I love my flux treb butch even more. Melting reds with the flux til about 1/3 health then one shotting them with the trend. Awesome.
With that being said there's nothing worse than a blue that drops into a treb butch as first bot on domination. Especially on a map like dead city.
I've had snipers literally stand 2 steps away from a beacon and not cap it and that ia infuriating. When I noticed I spent the rest of the match launching rockets at him and pushing him back so he couldn't snipe.
We were getring wrecked at this point even though we capped center beacon first because this idiot didn't take two steps to the right.
Snipers have their place, but improper use of snipers can be infuriating.
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Post by bigdopep on Aug 19, 2018 17:12:27 GMT -5
I agree that midrange has a place in this game, but the game could do without long range builds. Basically there are three maps where a long range setup has good use: canyon, yamantau and springfield. On all other maps long range builds arehurting the team. As most players have one hangar, they shouldnt put a long range bot in their hangar.
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Aug 19, 2018 17:26:40 GMT -5
On the topic of sniping being fun, it can be. You need to be playing on a tablet though, a phone is too small and difficult to tell where your opportunities are.
I never sniped much before but since the Kang Dae buff I set up a Kang Dae Carnage on my smurf account in Gold and look forward to open maps. Love the boom of the guns and the nice little chunk of hp cut off. The Carnage lets me be mobile and find better angles, and the Ancile helps against all the Zenits and Noricums in lower leagues. The best part (on a tablet) is finding a thin little sightline crack that you know a red is about to run through and then BOOM. It’s a joy of sneakiness: Gotcha and I’m untouchable.
For me the fun of sniping does wear off after a few battles but it’s good to get the sniping fix in each day. Like a mini-game with a focus on position and aim.
Like others have said though, it’s no fun if the whole team is long range, and worse if they don’t try to move out to good positions.
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Post by lewis on Aug 19, 2018 22:23:08 GMT -5
I have personally saved my team from losing in a sniper set up. In fact in many situations a good sniper can be a key player in taking the win. I don't play for a win, I play to have fun. I don't see any fun in pointing gekko or flux to anybody and draining his HP, don't need even try it. There are a lot of games where my team lost and still the game was fun to play. I don't regret loosing this way. And I don't get any fun when my team wins because of a sniper. People could brawl on any map, even canyon, if it wasn't for snipers like you. Your fun may not be someone else’s fun, and arguably hitting a target from 1000 meters out is not always easy. I don’t mind brawling, and it is fun. It also takes very little skill to mash into someone’s face and stab the trigger button. I would say that Zeus is not a sniper weapon. You seem to have the belief that if someone doesn’t close to point blank and still hits you it’s sniping. 600 meter range is not sniping just because you can’t hit them back. Gecko is kind of disappointing. Zenits and noricums are easy to avoid if you pay attention. Trebs can deal harsh damage, but personally, the long charge time is annoying to me. Hydras are hydras, stay out of range if you don’t want to get hit. Finally, newsflash: You can brawl on any map, it just might not be in your best interest to do so.
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Post by codebrown on Aug 19, 2018 22:31:56 GMT -5
I have personally saved my team from losing in a sniper set up. In fact in many situations a good sniper can be a key player in taking the win. I don't play for a win, I play to have fun. I don't see any fun in pointing gekko or flux to anybody and draining his HP, don't need even try it. There are a lot of games where my team lost and still the game was fun to play. I don't regret loosing this way. And I don't get any fun when my team wins because of a sniper. People could brawl on any map, even canyon, if it wasn't for snipers like you. My mental image while reading this....
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Post by milty72 on Aug 19, 2018 23:40:37 GMT -5
Damn. He hating some of the fun I have with this game.
This game has more dimension then just charge in shooting.
I really enjoy flying round in a spydra hover and perching atop a tall building lobbing guided missiles at reds and doing my thing for my team.
I really enjoy running a crazy Arbalest Destrier and challenging myself not to get hit and surviving the battle field in an under powered bot.
Start trying different things and shirking the meta knife fighting brawler model.
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Post by kellhound2002 on Aug 19, 2018 23:59:56 GMT -5
Sometimes ranged builds are exactly what's needed. When your team is getting pounded by spectrains or scourge builds or dragoons in a long range map like Springfield, what better way to beat them back than with a Flux Fury? A high level one will melt a kumiho fast and a Spectre even faster. Which should give your team a little room to maneuver for beacons. It's situational for sure but sometimes a sniper is what's needed.
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Post by AcuityAxiom on Aug 20, 2018 0:34:45 GMT -5
For me, it's mostly just jump-bot police, Griffin? Blammo. Hover? Pew Pew. Cossack? Omae wa. Mou shindeiru.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 20, 2018 11:03:46 GMT -5
SNIP... tear them a new (french canadian accent) "household". This was the funniest thing I've read/heard today...
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Post by ░SᑌᑕKᗩ░ᘻC░ on Aug 20, 2018 16:18:47 GMT -5
Yes. Also brawling and midranging are fun. Currently I think that healing is most fun. I have a Mender (won on this forum) that I play SPR mode and it's spectacular fun. Sometimes last the whole game just healing and rooting reds. SPR high score is 1.4 million.
Like many esteemed members have stated above an effectively played sniper build can affect the outcome of many matches. Personally not for me but I appreciate them when blue and hate on them when I get blasted by some Trebs at 1100m
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inspirace
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Post by inspirace on Aug 20, 2018 16:35:02 GMT -5
Sniping in war robots has nothing to do with actual sniping, because a real sniper needs to have skill to hit his target, while shooting at a square doesn't require such a skill. So what are these so called 'snipers' doing it it? Are they really having fun? Zeus, gekko, hydras, noricum, zenith, trebuchet etc have ruined so much games for me. I can't understand, how anybody can have fun using these setups? They don't want to play and don't give others an opportunity to play. So stupid... Skill is not just about killing and doing damage.
For a mid- and long-range, or artilery setups, the skill is needed to decide which section of the battlefield to control, which targets to go after, how to find an angle that either can kill / damage enemies or prevent them from acheiving a tactical goal, e.g., capping a beacon or forming a line of defence / offence, how to identify targets available to hit from those behind a cover, reading the intention of teammates and enemies and finding the best way to support the team, and doing all these while fighting against enemy MR/LR/Artillery pilots. If an enemy brawler approach, how to lure it within the range of a teammate brawler and coorperate in killing it. Being good at these things takes a lot of skills.
Of course, a pilot sitting in one of these so-called "camping" setup for the entire battle, without considering the situation, is blamable. But that's just a bad example of playing "sniper" roles. Equally bad examples can be found among brawlers, e.g. blindly charging, consuming bots doing some damage, and meching out,
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Post by sprayer on Aug 20, 2018 19:10:47 GMT -5
It is fun if you use them to actually help your team mates instead of just firing to random players.
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Post by darksun on Aug 21, 2018 7:46:50 GMT -5
On the topic of sniping being fun, it can be. You need to be playing on a tablet though, a phone is too small and difficult to tell where your opportunities are. I never sniped much before but since the Kang Dae buff I set up a Kang Dae Carnage on my smurf account in Gold and look forward to open maps. Love the boom of the guns and the nice little chunk of hp cut off. The Carnage lets me be mobile and find better angles, and the Ancile helps against all the Zenits and Noricums in lower leagues. The best part (on a tablet) is finding a thin little sightline crack that you know a red is about to run through and then BOOM. It’s a joy of sneakiness: Gotcha and I’m untouchable. For me the fun of sniping does wear off after a few battles but it’s good to get the sniping fix in each day. Like a mini-game with a focus on position and aim. Like others have said though, it’s no fun if the whole team is long range, and worse if they don’t try to move out to good positions. omg this. I have 2 lv11 trend that I never use because when I do I miss 90% of the time. Oh phone...
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 21, 2018 9:14:31 GMT -5
Here we go again...dude, put these in the Rants section!
I personally don't like LR sniper builds. I can't use Trebs to save my life. I can never tell if that distant red square is behind cover or not. When I ran one, I ran it with Gekkos so that I can at least use them like a laser pointer.
Gekko/Zeus Nat is one of the most useful builds in the game, especially in the lower leagues. I only shelved mine when I got to Expert/Masters. Instead of hating on all these meta builds, use them, learn them, master them.
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Nemo
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Post by Nemo on Aug 21, 2018 10:31:52 GMT -5
Instead of hating on all these meta builds, use them, learn them, master them. Thanks for advice, but I have more useful and fun to use stuff like taran and orkan to upgrade.
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 21, 2018 10:37:24 GMT -5
If you're only going to focus only on brawler setups, then you can't really complain when you get lased by Gekkos or a good chunk of your HP taken by a Treb Butch or Fury. If snipers are giving you hell, then maybe put a shield bot in your hangar at the very least. I prefered the Galahad back when I was bothered by snipers, but Rhinos are good too.
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Post by gampo on Aug 21, 2018 10:54:39 GMT -5
I avoided MR builds for a long time, then struggled without them, tried to find a counter to them, while in the end I had to get a MR myself for at least TDM.
My own way of dealing with the fact I don't like it is not leveling up to my brawlers but leaving it 2-3 levels behind. And sadly, it still pulls a lot of weight in a lot of maps and modes.
IMO line-of-sight LR is kind of a wasted slot, but MR is here to stay so you have to either learn to play it, learn how to deal with it, or accept that in some modes and maps you'll be king and in some others you'll be fodder.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Aug 21, 2018 12:17:53 GMT -5
Range has its place, were it’s a problem is when multiple pilots on the same team drop it at the same time. I notice when I spawn in a big map and I see a bunch of kumihos drop at once, that there next bot after they die from rushing center Is gonna be range.. 2 minutes in and your 4 capped because there are 4 furies on the map. The key to range is know when to drop it, and when not to drop it,
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 21, 2018 12:25:35 GMT -5
I avoided MR builds for a long time, then struggled without them, tried to find a counter to them, while in the end I had to get a MR myself for at least TDM. My own way of dealing with the fact I don't like it is not leveling up to my brawlers but leaving it 2-3 levels behind. And sadly, it still pulls a lot of weight in a lot of maps and modes. IMO line-of-sight LR is kind of a wasted slot, but MR is here to stay so you have to either learn to play it, learn how to deal with it, or accept that in some modes and maps you'll be king and in some others you'll be fodder. I hate to sound like a broken record, but that's why I decided on a homing missile bot. It's an excellent counter to snipers because I can fire from cover, and it's an excellent mid range build too for TDM. Put in on an agile bot like the Falcon and it's actually really fun to run.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 21, 2018 19:23:57 GMT -5
I like the title of this thread. I’ll start a new one called Is Griping Fun???
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Aug 22, 2018 0:36:37 GMT -5
Yes
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