imebee
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Post by imebee on Aug 20, 2018 16:21:26 GMT -5
I wonder if this guy's runs hydra? ?
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Post by Zero Jee on Aug 20, 2018 20:21:54 GMT -5
You're absolutely right. I guess I was already wound up for other reasons, and let the vitriol get the best of me. I apologize for that. Thanks for speaking up, sometimes I need to reflect before posting.
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Post by psyflex on Aug 21, 2018 3:56:36 GMT -5
If you have a hover chuck your spydra onto that. You might lose a spiral but you get greater airtime and it lobbs your missiles over walls better. Plus you can perch in some at times really handy locations. The hover moves better on the ground as well. And the cool down matches the reload. If you think hydras drive reds nuts fly in behind the spawn point on Yama and spam from behind. Yes I'm evil.
I do have a Hover and have turned it into a swiss army knife and it does surprisingly good. I've equipped him with a Gekko, a Scourge and a Shocktrain as midrange support and to quickly cap beacons, which my other team mates can't reach.
Just gotta make sure, there are no Trebs and Hydras around or it will be a quick death for me
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Post by milty72 on Aug 21, 2018 5:00:42 GMT -5
If you have a hover chuck your spydra onto that. You might lose a spiral but you get greater airtime and it lobbs your missiles over walls better. Plus you can perch in some at times really handy locations. The hover moves better on the ground as well. And the cool down matches the reload. If you think hydras drive reds nuts fly in behind the spawn point on Yama and spam from behind. Yes I'm evil.
I do have a Hover and have turned it into a swiss army knife and it does surprisingly good. I've equipped him with a Gekko, a Scourge and a Shocktrain as midrange support and to quickly cap beacons, which my other team mates can't reach.
Just gotta make sure, there are no Trebs and Hydras around or it will be a quick death for me
Ditch your Griff and Spydra that bird of prey. You'll never go back. I MK 2maxed her and she's a little trooper. It really adds a different dimension to the game.
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 21, 2018 6:49:34 GMT -5
This morning I had a TDM game on dead city. A red Grif hydra was doing really well taking out my team. Jumped among his teammates to get the angle whenever he can. Score was 8 to 15 when he jumped near a blue spawn. I spawned in my ember inquisitor and took him out, even though he was standing between 4 other reds. He respawned in a Haechi hydra and focused on me the rest of the game, I have 2 inquisitors, a bulgasari, a pursuer and a hover. I spawned the rest of the game at the farthest spawn and just stand there to be taken out by hydras. So to all of you saying you use hydras to take out shocktrain spectres, or any other hated bots, I don't believe you. This is your psyche and game play you are looking for. For me, its not the game play I want to participate so you are welcome to your free silver. feel free to take me out. If you don't play with hydras and want to brawl, I'll return fire and give you the game you want. That's your choice to give up and stand there and take the missiles. And yes, I took out a Spectre this morning in Valley. The guy insisted on wasting his descend to try to take out a blue Inky. After his stealth wore off, I pummeled him to oblivion. This game is way out of balance, true. But you are complaining about a weapon that has been in War Robots since the dawn of time. There are lots of documented methods to avoid homing missiles, and while no method is 100% effective - especially against someone like me who will arc the missiles in both directions - but they will help you escape a full salvo. I've even given tips on this thread on how to counter the homing missile. Read them, practice them. Above all, don't walk out in the open, or just stand around like a lump of metal and give up. That's akin to tanking.
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Post by bloodynipples on Aug 21, 2018 6:57:36 GMT -5
Like it really matters what gun or bot takes you out...ya gotta fight back, not run away. I'd hate to be on a real battlefield with some of you...oh notes, he has a bigger gun than mine! Run, run ,run, I quit.
Weapons in the game are made to kill one another with.
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Post by psyflex on Aug 21, 2018 8:37:49 GMT -5
Well yes, Hover is a cool bot and can be played in some different roles
Since i want to cap beacons with it, when there is a chance, i don't want to have Hydras on it, since it leaves me pretty defenseless in a brawl. But i'll surely try the Hydras on my Hover some time, just for fun.
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Post by rags on Aug 21, 2018 9:07:46 GMT -5
after all these years, this thread is what finally motivated me to max out a spydra. got it to level 7 so far. thanks Nemo !
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 21, 2018 9:15:55 GMT -5
after all these years, this thread is what finally motivated me to max out a spydra. got it to level 7 so far. thanks Nemo ! I didn't max mine out, but I decided it was worth the silver and gold to bring a pair of Hydras to 11.
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Post by Joopiter on Aug 21, 2018 9:28:32 GMT -5
I really don't understand, what is the purpose of hydra spamming? Why would anybody do that? I watched Manni's video where he hydra spamms using spectre. He says he is having so much fun doing it. Well, this is a very sick way of having fun if you ask me. In another video he kills a spydra griffin and says it is a stupid setup, but he is running a hydra spectre on his account himself. I don't see any logic here. Would like to hear an answer from an avid hydra user why are they doing it??? Other than what Dobby said and a few others, it is basically a way to play the game without having much skill or taking much risk. You can basically drop in on certain maps and literally get average damage scores by cycling through different targets that don't have anciles. I've tried it and it was interesting for a day, then I traded it out for a mid range brawler.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 21, 2018 9:48:03 GMT -5
You're absolutely right. I guess I was already wound up for other reasons, and let the vitriol get the best of me. I apologize for that. Thanks for speaking up, sometimes I need to reflect before posting. All good, just trying to keep us on the up and up. I know you have a lot to offer the forum by way of experience and opinion, both, and would hate to see you put in the time out box for something like this.
Random musings: I've had my share of arguments on here and just trying to pass on the lesson I learned: You likely won't change anyone's mind or way of thinking on these here internets. The OP sounds like they are relatively new to the game, and only has the experience of the early leagues to draw on. We may know better, but he won't believe it until he gets to a certain point. Besides that, the game is so unforgiving of the stagnant and static types of players since it is constantly evolving. Fun is relative and, for many, only exists in 350m or less. So be it. Nothing we can do to change that opinion... much like my own with KotH. I LOATHE it. I will still give as good an effort as I can muster to at least kill the folks that need killing in those matches while getting whatever Beacons I can. I am not able to give 100% because of my hate of that mode, but I don't leave the matches. It's a choice to do so... IMO. I either play the game or don't.
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Post by RustFiend on Aug 21, 2018 9:49:49 GMT -5
If it works it works. Cookie cutter builds exist because they work. You'll lose a hellova lot of time and energy trying to be original.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 21, 2018 10:01:41 GMT -5
I really don't understand, what is the purpose of hydra spamming? Why would anybody do that? I watched Manni's video where he hydra spamms using spectre. He says he is having so much fun doing it. Well, this is a very sick way of having fun if you ask me. In another video he kills a spydra griffin and says it is a stupid setup, but he is running a hydra spectre on his account himself. I don't see any logic here. Would like to hear an answer from an avid hydra user why are they doing it??? Other than what Dobby said and a few others, it is basically a way to play the game without having much skill or taking much risk. You can basically drop in on certain maps and literally get average damage scores by cycling through different targets that don't have anciles. I've tried it and it was interesting for a day, then I traded it out for a mid range brawler. It really is more than that for a lot of folk.
Sure, some are just trolls... but many people, even in this thread, have stated their reasons for using them. And they are valid reasons. The weapon is in the game, just like STs, and they are going to be used, for better or worse. Hell, I used them on a Doc with Orks on the other arms to bait people in to my Ork firing zone. It was fun and I could count on people having the same reactions I do to them and them getting pissed and coming after me. Granted, they were low level (why upgrade the damn things if I don't want to use them much?) but the psychological effect was huge. Getting upset over them is basically playing into their hands since it encourages mistakes. They really are one of my least favorite weapons in the game, as well... but they aren't impossible to deal with... just a huge PITA.
But to say that lazy, no-skill, trolls are the only people who use them, is wrong. I don't like Hydras, but I can see their use.
What kills me is that the same common denominator for all the complained about weapons, lately, is the bot it's used on. Sure there has been hate for Hydras since day 1... but the recent, more visceral reactions seem to come the most from folks who have had to go against Sphincters and Dashes using them. Also, Mk 2 weapons being able to be used in low and mid leagues play a large part. And let's not forget boosters... 5 % attack bonus is a lot when the weapons are Mk 2 12. 10% is just plain brutal. For any weapon... from Orks to STs to Scourges to Punishers to Hydras. Especially Hydras in multiples of 3 or 4.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by Destroyer on Aug 21, 2018 11:57:10 GMT -5
This morning I had a TDM game on dead city. A red Grif hydra was doing really well taking out my team. Jumped among his teammates to get the angle whenever he can. Score was 8 to 15 when he jumped near a blue spawn. I spawned in my ember inquisitor and took him out, even though he was standing between 4 other reds. He respawned in a Haechi hydra and focused on me the rest of the game, I have 2 inquisitors, a bulgasari, a pursuer and a hover. I spawned the rest of the game at the farthest spawn and just stand there to be taken out by hydras. So to all of you saying you use hydras to take out shocktrain spectres, or any other hated bots, I don't believe you. This is your psyche and game play you are looking for. For me, its not the game play I want to participate so you are welcome to your free silver. feel free to take me out. If you don't play with hydras and want to brawl, I'll return fire and give you the game you want. That's your choice to give up and stand there and take the missiles. And yes, I took out a Spectre this morning in Valley. The guy insisted on wasting his descend to try to take out a blue Inky. After his stealth wore off, I pummeled him to oblivion. This game is way out of balance, true. But you are complaining about a weapon that has been in War Robots since the dawn of time. There are lots of documented methods to avoid homing missiles, and while no method is 100% effective - especially against someone like me who will arc the missiles in both directions - but they will help you escape a full salvo. I've even given tips on this thread on how to counter the homing missile. Read them, practice them. Above all, don't walk out in the open, or just stand around like a lump of metal and give up. That's akin to tanking. Thanks for the tip but I am in iOS Champions League, I know how to deal with hydras. I chose not to play with you if you want to play with a weapon that gives you immunity to return fire. I can easily load hydras on my specter or haechi and shoot back, but I don't. It seems I am not the only one choosing not to play with hydras. You are right, the weapon is in the game for a long time, and all this time I have chosen not to play with them. You have your right to choose which weapons to play with...and so do I. Choose wisely.
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 21, 2018 12:05:58 GMT -5
Destroyer, you certainly have the right to choose your weapons. I don't question that. I question your statement where you said you stood out to be taken out by Hydras. Did you really just stand there waiting to be taken out? As for immunity from return fire. Hydras do not give you immunity. In my experience, hydra users tend to target each other as soon as possible. This is a sound tactic because left unchecked, a Hydra bot can wreak havok on your team. The ST Spectre...now THAT's a build that is immune from return fire.
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Post by milty72 on Aug 21, 2018 14:39:27 GMT -5
Well yes, Hover is a cool bot and can be played in some different roles
Since i want to cap beacons with it, when there is a chance, i don't want to have Hydras on it, since it leaves me pretty defenseless in a brawl. But i'll surely try the Hydras on my Hover some time, just for fun.
Too true. I generally drop mine at specific times and that's usually last and when I've churned through all my brawlers and hopefully the reds have thinned out a bit. It can be good to use as a beacon turner in the dying minutes.
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Post by Zero Jee on Aug 21, 2018 15:30:55 GMT -5
Logged in . . . lo and behold the first video link:
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Post by babypoppy on Aug 21, 2018 15:38:15 GMT -5
Logged in . . . lo and behold the first video link: Lol
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Post by Destroyer on Aug 21, 2018 16:14:36 GMT -5
Destroyer , you certainly have the right to choose your weapons. I don't question that. I question your statement where you said you stood out to be taken out by Hydras. Did you really just stand there waiting to be taken out? As for immunity from return fire. Hydras do not give you immunity. In my experience, hydra users tend to target each other as soon as possible. This is a sound tactic because left unchecked, a Hydra bot can wreak havok on your team. The ST Spectre...now THAT's a build that is immune from return fire. Definitely stood there and take it, watch the reaction of the shooter, the first bot he takes out he's all excited, the second bot he starts to question, because clearly I am not disconnected, the third bot he starts to feel something wrong, the fourth bot he starts to loose interest, and by the fifth bot, he is focusing someone else. the fun in War Robots is brawling, if I am focused by a weapon that limits my movement then the game is no longer fun and there is no point to continue playing. The only way to counter with any "brawling" is for me to load up my own hydras and see who can arc around corners better, this is extremely boring game play and if we both in any ancile bots, pointless. I suppose the new root weapons will have the same effect, however, they are still in the line of sight and taking damage. If Hydras become meta then I just quit. I am playing more 6/6 now than regular match making. The difference is I get to choose who to play with in 6/6. There are a couple of pilots in iOS 6/6 who enjoys hydra, and they immediately feel the outcome. In 6/6 the community's reaction to hydra is much more prevalent.
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Post by ralphwaldo on Aug 21, 2018 17:03:50 GMT -5
Hook, Line, and Sinker. That's the point of the Hydra. To fish out bots that are entrenched in cover, so his/her teammates can engage them.
1st- I don't run Hydras. That said being in lower champs league I can say pretty confidently that Hydras are META. Take a look at the legends league players, almost every one of them has a maxed spec hydra tucked in a hangar or two. Why? because they are effective at high level play. Do they annoy players? 100% is that the point? Absolutely. In the past I've gotten so annoyed by them that I try to take them out- That's exactly what they want. How many reds are between me and that bot? On some maps, All of them. Do I even get close with a brawler? almost never. That Hydra pilot drew me out into oncoming fire.
Let's say you do get the Hydra pilot. Yay! you've most likely chased him all the way into Reds spawn area. Your health, weapons and stealth are all down and he spawns any version of a DB. Boom! you're toast.
As many have mentioned here before, Champs can be an absolute borefest, with every player waiting for some idiot to break cover. Hydra fire makes idiots of good players.
Before the Dash/Stealth bots a Spydra Pilot would usually place in the bottom three of any given match and his teammates would resent him even if they won. Now, I see Spydra's all the time in the top three. How else do get the annoying shock train spec to break cover with out endangering your entire team?
Hydras are a legacy weapon, I'm positive you can find some version of this rant posted a ton of times over the last 3 years. They aren't going anywhere. learn to counter them or maybe it's time to find another game.
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Post by Domino on Aug 22, 2018 8:04:50 GMT -5
I don't think the new dev team could even change the Hydra's even if they wanted to. They would botch it.
If they could, I would recommend they make the last 30-50m not so heatseeking and turn 270 degrees.
They also buffed the hydras a couple times IIRC
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Post by Nemo on Aug 22, 2018 11:08:19 GMT -5
No matter how you justify hydra usage, people who use it are 「kitty cats」 and fktrds. Except of course those people who use it to target spectrain and douchebots only (I doubt there are such people).
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Post by Zero Jee on Aug 22, 2018 11:55:43 GMT -5
No matter how you justify hydra usage, people who use it are 「kitty cats」 and fktrds. Except of course those people who use it to target spectrain and ?Deutsche?bots only (I doubt there are such people). After all that has been said and done, even apologies made. You return the favor by blatantly slandering others out of spite. Yeah, I don't know who you are, really, but after seeing all of your posts it's obvious that you are just here to troll the forums. Have fun with your sad little toxic life.
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 22, 2018 12:12:16 GMT -5
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Post by haraldgray on Aug 22, 2018 12:12:42 GMT -5
It is sort of amusing, in a masochistic kind of way, to read some of the comments here.
I play in D2 and I field nothing but legacy weapons because I don't own any of the cool new stuff in numbers I'd need (I own one ST and one scourge). I face spectres and STs and other nice toys on a regular basis.
So I'd like to ask the smarta**es calling hydra users this and that what I'm supposed to do. Walk into the open and get blasted like an idiot? Or use some legacy weapon that lets me fight back? Say, hydra?
And trust me, a hydra-armed legacy bot is a lot more vulnerable than the spectres some name-calling people here use. I'd be happy to use a Spectre too, except I don't own one.
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Post by Nemo on Aug 22, 2018 12:15:12 GMT -5
From now on I will leave every battle where I'm killed with hydra. I just left a battle where I have been killed by two hydra fktrds simultaneously. I felt really pieceful when I did this. I'm playing this game for fun, and hydra takes all fun out of this game.
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Post by Nemo on Aug 22, 2018 12:20:34 GMT -5
It is sort of amusing, in a masochistic kind of way, to read some of the comments here. I play in D2 and I field nothing but legacy weapons because I don't own any of the cool new stuff in numbers I'd need (I own one ST and one scourge). I face spectres and STs and other nice toys on a regular basis. So I'd like to ask the smarta**es calling hydra users this and that what I'm supposed to do. Walk into the open and get blasted like an idiot? Or use some legacy weapon that lets me fight back? Say, hydra? And trust me, a hydra-armed legacy bot is a lot more vulnerable than the spectres some name-calling people here use. I'd be happy to use a Spectre too, except I don't own one. As I said, I have no problem you targeting specter and ST bots. I don't use any of these and don't intend to. But I doubt you use hydra only to target these bots.
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Post by Zero Jee on Aug 22, 2018 12:38:15 GMT -5
From now on I will leave every battle where I'm killed with hydra. I just left a battle where I have been killed by two hydra fktrds simultaneously. I felt really pieceful when I did this. I'm playing this game for fun, and hydra takes all fun out of this game. Yes, that's actually a better solution. Just leave as many battles as you can.
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Post by haraldgray on Aug 22, 2018 12:51:40 GMT -5
As I said, I have no problem you targeting specter and ST bots. I don't use any of these and don't intend to. But I doubt you use hydra only to target these bots. Of course I also use them on other than non-legacy bots, the same way all other pilots don't restrict their targetting to one particular class of bots. The Mk2 L12 users target everyone, why shouldn't I do the same? Are you saying I should eject, even in TDM, if there's no red camper/ST build in play at the moment? And what should I do if the red drop another? I don't even own the types of weapons that are being used against me, while the red can easily use the same legacy weapons I'm limited to. Do you also expect me to tie one hand behind my back so I'm not too difficult to destroy?
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Post by stokr on Aug 22, 2018 13:01:23 GMT -5
From now on I will leave every battle where I'm killed with hydra. If you can't hack it you can't hack it...it is what it is.
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