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Post by milty72 on Aug 20, 2018 6:35:03 GMT -5
I understand hydras at higher levels to counter ST spec, and that's about it. And I set think you would see less hydra bots if it weren't for ST spec. So yet again ST and spec are at the core of a negative part of this game. I'm starting to see a pattern here lol. Yes that's true. But I find they're great at tracking a dash bot scurrying for cover like the cockroaches that they are.
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Post by Nemo on Aug 20, 2018 7:05:41 GMT -5
If you have a hover chuck your spydra onto that. You might lose a spiral but you get greater airtime and it lobbs your missiles over walls better. Plus you can perch in some at times really handy locations. [/p] The hover moves better on the ground as well. And the cool down matches the reload. If you think hydras drive reds nuts fly in behind the spawn point on Yama and spam from behind. Yes I'm evil.
[/quote] Hydra psycopaths like you ruin experience for a lot of people. I don't mind you targeting spectrain and dash bots, but why target other legit bots like griffin??? Probably you just suck at this game, that's all.
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 20, 2018 7:16:51 GMT -5
Why do we run Hydra builds? Cause they're effective. When Pix drops TDM, I'll shelve my Hydras.
In my experience, there are 2 types of weapons that are VERY useful, maybe even necessary for TDM. MR splash or homing missiles. They both do similar things. They chase campers out from behind cover or keep them behind cover and prevent them from advancing or generally disrupting their play. For my big map/TDM hangar, I had to decide whether to use RDB or Hydra. There was a time I ran both, and it was not effective simply because when a match gets into the brawling stage, both setups are outgunned. So, I went Hydra for my TDM hangar. Hydras are also useful in some situations in Domination. Because if they're too busy hiding from your missiles, they're not pushing for the centre beacon. Or, if they push for the beacon and tank your missiles, they'll be at half health by the time they face off against blue brawlers.
I recently went silver poor just to speed up my Falcon acquisition JUST to run it as a Chydra bot. It's been working out pretty well except that I've been a mite too aggressive with it and need to tone it down a bit.
I used to HATE homing missile builds. Hate them with a passion in fact. Even came on here on numerous occasions to rant about them. But, there's a counter to them and you just need to learn it. Here's a tip: always look for cover that is taller than your bot. Depending on how high the cover is, you may not even have to hug it. Look for wide cover. Tall thin buildings won't cut it because the missiles can sometimes curve up to 90 degrees on that final attack run. Watch what direction the missiles are coming from. Most missile users (myself included) will fire off the full salvo rather than a bit at time. Why? Because they way, they'll have a full salve ready for when you break cover. So, count how many missiles there are. When you reach 6, chances are they're empty and you have 10 seconds to get to the next cover. Note, this tactic is NOT foolproof, especially if they're running a Spydra or Chydra.
You can reverse spam these bots too. If you're low on health, just stay hidden behind cover. We CANNOT resist the urge to finish you off! Stay there and just wait it out. They will eventually over expose themselves and one of your team mates will pick them off. Or, they will be so focused on you that a blue ambusher will catch up to them.
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Post by Domino on Aug 20, 2018 7:17:31 GMT -5
Complaining about hydras is so 2000 and late So what, the problem is still there. Bring on the hate. Hail Hydra. F.ck you. People who have sick fun at the expense of other people instead of having fun for all. I don't get this. The minute you face mk2 LVL 12 Spectre Shocktrain you will wish you had a Full Hangar of Hydra Setups. You can't hate the player for using what the game provides. Hate the Game...
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 20, 2018 7:32:22 GMT -5
@nemo, cool down dude. It's just a game. Look at my post above for some counter Hydra tactics. My advice to you would be to run a Spydra yourself for a while. This will help you understand the mechanics of the weapon and to understand how to counter it. This is what I did when the Hydra scourge of last year got really bad. Once I understood the weapon better, I didn't hate it as much.
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Post by milty72 on Aug 20, 2018 7:34:12 GMT -5
If you have a hover chuck your spydra onto that. You might lose a spiral but you get greater airtime and it lobbs your missiles over walls better. Plus you can perch in some at times really handy locations. [/p] The hover moves better on the ground as well. And the cool down matches the reload. If you think hydras drive reds nuts fly in behind the spawn point on Yama and spam from behind. Yes I'm evil.
[/quote] Hydra psycopaths like you ruin experience for a lot of people. I don't mind you targeting spectrain and dash bots, but why target other legit bots like griffin??? Probably you just suck at this game, that's all. [/quote][/p]
Stop whining about it and learn how to counter it. Everything has a counter and it's about building the right load out and picking the right time to use it, or maybe it's just you that needs to learn how to play.
Now stop the name calling and add something constructive or I'll tell your parents to cut your internet off.
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Post by milty72 on Aug 20, 2018 7:37:02 GMT -5
@nemo, cool down dude. It's just a game. Look at my post above for some counter Hydra tactics. My advice to you would be to run a Spydra yourself for a while. This will help you understand the mechanics of the weapon and to understand how to counter it. This is what I did when the Hydra scourge of last year got really bad. Once I understood the weapon better, I didn't hate it as much. It's more a scourge scourge than a hydra scourge now. And how do we counter that? With a shielded bot.
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 20, 2018 7:39:35 GMT -5
Actually, the easiest counter to the Scourge is simply hide your centre! Any bot with weapons on its sides can counter the Scourge and still hit back.
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Post by Nemo on Aug 20, 2018 7:47:45 GMT -5
So what, the problem is still there. F.ck you. People who have sick fun at the expense of other people instead of having fun for all. I don't get this. The minute you face mk2 LVL 12 Spectre Shocktrain you will wish you had a Full Hangar of Hydra Setups. You can't hate the player for using what the game provides. Hate the Game... I have been hit with mk2 12 spectrain several times while running bots of levels 6-7. It is not as annoying as hydra mk2 12. If you use it against spectrain then ok. But why use it against other bots??? Especially silver bots???
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Post by milty72 on Aug 20, 2018 7:58:37 GMT -5
Actually, the easiest counter to the Scourge is simply hide your centre! Any bot with weapons on its sides can counter the Scourge and still hit back. Does the side profile nullify it? I've always just walked in shields up and have them eat my shotgun pellets.
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Post by Nemo on Aug 20, 2018 8:16:49 GMT -5
Just now I played a game, KOTH on valley. An enemy jerk spawned in hydra fujin and kept pounding us all game long. No way to take him out. I went with plasma griffin but couldn't reach because he choose such a place to hide that his teammates protected him. I can't understand these people and never will. This is stupid I just can not find words to describe this. I feel disgusted if there is a hydra user on my team and I try to get stay away from this person. I will never protect a hydra user in my team no matter what and always will let enemy team take him down.
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Post by TheRageMonster on Aug 20, 2018 8:41:32 GMT -5
I don't run hydras and so will not voice my opinion on them because I don't have enough experience. However, one thing I am sure of is that this thread should be in rants lol.
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Post by Deadeye on Aug 20, 2018 9:02:32 GMT -5
Hey everyone, let's keep things civil. Are hydra annoying? YES, that's part of their effectiveness. I get the frustration and share it with everyone, but that doesn't mean that we need to attack personally those on these boards that use them. I know many excellent pilots that are quite effective using multiple loadouts on a range of bots and have chosen to use hydras for various different reasons. The fact is that hydra are one of the most effective weapons for countering Shocktrain users so they aren't likely to go away anytime soon.
Main point being though, lets respect all the posters on here. We're all here to find help and to help one another. If we can't be respectful, I'll have to go all parental-like and start doling out timeouts.
The Mod Squad
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 20, 2018 9:02:36 GMT -5
Calling folks psychopaths for running a weapon in game? Come on. Step back from the game a while if it bothers you this bad or you'll end up like this guy...
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 20, 2018 9:37:36 GMT -5
Actually, the easiest counter to the Scourge is simply hide your centre! Any bot with weapons on its sides can counter the Scourge and still hit back. Does the side profile nullify it? I've always just walked in shields up and have them eat my shotgun pellets. No. Scourges hit centre mass. But, there was talk on this forum about Gareth's being able to escape Scourge damage by running sideways.
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 20, 2018 9:58:37 GMT -5
Just now I played a game, KOTH on valley. An enemy jerk spawned in hydra fujin and kept pounding us all game long. No way to take him out. I went with plasma griffin but couldn't reach because he choose such a place to hide that his teammates protected him. I can't understand these people and never will. This is stupid I just can not find words to describe this. I feel disgusted if there is a hydra user on my team and I try to get stay away from this person. I will never protect a hydra user in my team no matter what and always will let enemy team take him down. Valley is good and bad for missile users. On the one hand, there's lots of empty space, but on the other, missiles can't reach around the temple building in the middle. When I used to run an Aphex Hover, i used to fly up to the top to hammer Hydra Fujins. 1 aphid to make them drop their shield and move, and then bam, double Vortex. Can't miss Fujins! I also had good times up there with a Spydra Hover. There is no place on that map from up there that I can't hit. But, I'm also wide open to counter fire of all sorts. Instead of hating on the weapon, use it, learn it, master it. Some maps are brutal for missiles. Like Rome. I often end up over exposing myself there and get my toga ripped off. Carrier is also bad for missile bots. Yam, Dead City and Springfield and Shenzhen are all good for missile bots and bad for anyone not running an Ancile. Heck, even Anciles are no protection from 4 Mk2 maxed Hydras though. The key strength of the homing missile is that it's not a line of sight weapon. The weakness - unless you have 4 double maxed - is the damage potential. If you're tired of getting hit all the time, stop walking out in the open. Hydras are what taught me how to use cover after all! Yes, I still get nailed by them, but they don't bug me as much anymore. What bugs me more is getting 1 shot killed by 2 ST bots at the same time. Or getting killed because a blue doesn't know how to take cover. Everything but the ST Spectre has a hard counter against it. The homing missiles are just a soft counter at best against it.
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Post by wildboar on Aug 20, 2018 11:23:28 GMT -5
Ha ha ... this thread is priceless ...
sorry - it has encouraged me to put a Hydra Bot back in - HAIL HYDRA!!!!
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Post by bronzeknee on Aug 20, 2018 11:27:35 GMT -5
I understand hydras at higher levels to counter ST spec, and that's about it. And I set think you would see less hydra bots if it weren't for ST spec. So yet again ST and spec are at the core of a negative part of this game. I'm starting to see a pattern here lol. I've actually seen a bunch of Zenit and Noricum builds in TDM lately in Champions. The camping meta is real. A TDM I played yesterday no one died until 7:52 on Valley. Both teams were all in Hydra/Dragoon/Shocktrain builds.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Aug 20, 2018 12:01:38 GMT -5
If you have a hover chuck your spydra onto that. You might lose a spiral but you get greater airtime and it lobbs your missiles over walls better. Plus you can perch in some at times really handy locations. [/p] The hover moves better on the ground as well. And the cool down matches the reload. If you think hydras drive reds nuts fly in behind the spawn point on Yama and spam from behind. Yes I'm evil.
[/quote] Hydra psycopaths like you ruin experience for a lot of people. I don't mind you targeting spectrain and dash bots, but why target other legit bots like griffin??? Probably you just suck at this game, that's all. [/quote] 2 words: Grow Up Jeez, they aren't that bad. I think I know who sucks at what..... Stop being a giant man child.
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Post by Domino on Aug 20, 2018 12:03:34 GMT -5
The minute you face mk2 LVL 12 Spectre Shocktrain you will wish you had a Full Hangar of Hydra Setups. You can't hate the player for using what the game provides. Hate the Game... I have been hit with mk2 12 spectrain several times while running bots of levels 6-7. It is not as annoying as hydra mk2 12. If you use it against spectrain then ok. But why use it against other bots??? Especially silver bots??? So you'd rather be instakilled and/or slowly killed by chain hits (regardless of where you hide) weapon then a weapon that you can atleast take cover from and Anciles are effective against?
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Post by Destroyer on Aug 20, 2018 12:15:03 GMT -5
This morning I had a TDM game on dead city. A red Grif hydra was doing really well taking out my team. Jumped among his teammates to get the angle whenever he can. Score was 8 to 15 when he jumped near a blue spawn. I spawned in my ember inquisitor and took him out, even though he was standing between 4 other reds. He respawned in a Haechi hydra and focused on me the rest of the game, I have 2 inquisitors, a bulgasari, a pursuer and a hover. I spawned the rest of the game at the farthest spawn and just stand there to be taken out by hydras. So to all of you saying you use hydras to take out shocktrain spectres, or any other hated bots, I don't believe you. This is your psyche and game play you are looking for. For me, its not the game play I want to participate so you are welcome to your free silver. feel free to take me out. If you don't play with hydras and want to brawl, I'll return fire and give you the game you want.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 20, 2018 12:17:38 GMT -5
I have been hit with mk2 12 spectrain several times while running bots of levels 6-7. It is not as annoying as hydra mk2 12. If you use it against spectrain then ok. But why use it against other bots??? Especially silver bots??? So you'd rather be instakilled and/or slowly killed by chain hits (regardless of where you hide) weapon then a weapon that you can atleast take cover from and Anciles are effective against? I get his stance to a point... Hydra users that know what they are doing can get to you in what you thought were pretty protected spots... whereas STs have to hit you or a Teammate with a LoS shot... meaning you can at least avoid it.
In my games I've found that Hydras are more frustrating, especially when coming from a Sphincter. Usually when a game is going well or I am out of Ancile bots I hate them the most.
However, STs are more demoralizing as a whole. I will put the game down if too many of those are around (it usually means I'm getting matched too high for my hangar and just need to accept my beating and drop to 50% or lower again... but I find that pretty hard to do when I am just trying to get enough Ag to start the next overpriced upgrade and need the good battles for good returns. Getting slaughtered by Champs and high Masters with mk 2 STs just chaps the ole sack) but if there are too many Hydras I just cuss a little and move on to the next game.
I do get the point he makes... BUT, I still agree that STs are worse, overall, and I would rather face Hydras than STs most days. Would give me a reason to use my Molot Rhino or other LR builds if I could guarantee where I would see them.
Also, side note, I have used my Pursuer on my Android account as an anti Hydra build a couple of times now and have had good success... unless they are in a Hover or Spydra Griff and chillin up on high... that is.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by Destroyer on Aug 20, 2018 12:30:24 GMT -5
because they are scared of the META Scared? Hydras are part of the meta right now. They are a great answer to Spectres with Shocktrains, and there is a lack of Ancile shields at the top. Try using hydras in 6 pack and see how many people still want to play with you. Shocktrains isn't quite enough to make me want to quit this game, but hydras will do it.
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Post by Zero Jee on Aug 20, 2018 12:32:05 GMT -5
If you have a hover chuck your spydra onto that. You might lose a spiral but you get greater airtime and it lobbs your missiles over walls better. Plus you can perch in some at times really handy locations. [/p] The hover moves better on the ground as well. And the cool down matches the reload. If you think hydras drive reds nuts fly in behind the spawn point on Yama and spam from behind. Yes I'm evil.
[/quote] Hydra psycopaths like you ruin experience for a lot of people. I don't mind you targeting spectrain and dash bots, but why target other legit bots like griffin??? Probably you just suck at this game, that's all. [/quote] Okay, I'm calling you out. You are a troll and an utter 「roast beef」waffle, who's opinion amounts to less than a pile of poop here. Hell,you don't even know how to quote someone properly in the forums. So, maybe you're just mentally impaired, or under 12 years old. In either case, my guess is that you really suck at this game if all you know how to do is complain and slander people. Normally, I would suggest investing your time and doing some research on your own.... but that seems beyond your capacity. Because that would require work, and like, time and stuff. No instant gratification for participation trophy winners like yourself. Just curious, were you breastfed beyond the age of 10? Perhaps it's the opposite, maybe you were a formula baby and got no love. In either case, wash the sand out yer veejayjay and htfu!
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 20, 2018 13:11:04 GMT -5
[/p] The hover moves better on the ground as well. And the cool down matches the reload. If you think hydras drive reds nuts fly in behind the spawn point on Yama and spam from behind. Yes I'm evil.
[/quote] Hydra psycopaths like you ruin experience for a lot of people. I don't mind you targeting spectrain and dash bots, but why target other legit bots like griffin??? Probably you just suck at this game, that's all. [/quote] Okay, I'm calling you out. You are a troll and an utter ?roast beef?waffle, who's opinion amounts to less than a pile of poop here. Hell,you don't even know how to quote someone properly in the forums. So, maybe you're just mentally impaired, or under 12 years old. In either case, my guess is that you really suck at this game if all you know how to do is complain and slander people. Normally, I would suggest investing your time and doing some research on your own.... but that seems beyond your capacity. Because that would require work, and like, time and stuff. No instant gratification for participation trophy winners like yourself. Just curious, were you breastfed beyond the age of 10? Perhaps it's the opposite, maybe you were a formula baby and got no love. In either case, wash the sand out yer veejayjay and htfu! [/quote] This is not at all called for. If you DO consider him a troll then don’t feed him. The rest of us have mostly kept it civil and there was no problem after Deadeye reminded everyone to play nice. Offer alternative ways to deal with them or a bit of humor or even a disagreement but stooping to the level of this post erases any credibility you have with labeling anyone a troll. I’m not a mod nor any sort of authority on this site in anything but advice so I’ll only offer the advice above... but perhaps a lighter approach will serve both the thread and the site more than the one used in your reply. IMO YMMV. PS The quoting issue is apparently happening on mobile devices as it just happened here, as well.
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Post by stokr on Aug 20, 2018 13:19:54 GMT -5
Why do people use hydra?
Just wait until you're in a Champions League TDM where both sides drop 4+ 12 Mk2 ST Spectres. No one moves. I've been in matches with less than 4 minutes left on the clock sitting at 0 - 0. At that point even die hard "hydras aren't effective enough" people like myself begin to wonder about slapping one into the lineup. Hell, even Noricom Pattons start to cross one's mind at that point. Hate those matches.
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Post by awwarrobots on Aug 20, 2018 14:02:04 GMT -5
My intention is to get my crimson Noricum Patton levelled. Trol extraordinaire!
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 20, 2018 14:44:48 GMT -5
I had a TDM on Moon today and I stayed in my Chydra Falcon for most of the match and got well over 700k damage. I must have pissed someone on the red team off very badly. They kept trying to rush me by coming up the ramp. At one point, there was an Inky AND a Spectre both jumping way too early in their rush to get to me. I saw them coming and retreated behind the hill and my fellow blues killed them. This happened quite a few times actually. Don't know if it was because I was chucking missiles at them, or they kept seeing my broken shield symbol and thought I was killable. Either way, this was a clear example of how effective this build is. We ended up crushing them more than 2:1. Final score was like 24 - 9 or something ridiculous.
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Post by Royce on Aug 20, 2018 15:39:40 GMT -5
Hydra is op to the point of broken on the moon, particularly in TDM. It’s pretty balanced elsewhere, and not very good at all on some maps.
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Post by Domino on Aug 20, 2018 15:41:59 GMT -5
So you'd rather be instakilled and/or slowly killed by chain hits (regardless of where you hide) weapon then a weapon that you can atleast take cover from and Anciles are effective against? I get his stance to a point... Hydra users that know what they are doing can get to you in what you thought were pretty protected spots... whereas STs have to hit you or a Teammate with a LoS shot... meaning you can at least avoid it.
In my games I've found that Hydras are more frustrating, especially when coming from a Sphincter. Usually when a game is going well or I am out of Ancile bots I hate them the most.
However, STs are more demoralizing as a whole. I will put the game down if too many of those are around (it usually means I'm getting matched too high for my hangar and just need to accept my beating and drop to 50% or lower again... but I find that pretty hard to do when I am just trying to get enough Ag to start the next overpriced upgrade and need the good battles for good returns. Getting slaughtered by Champs and high Masters with mk 2 STs just chaps the ole sack) but if there are too many Hydras I just cuss a little and move on to the next game.
I do get the point he makes... BUT, I still agree that STs are worse, overall, and I would rather face Hydras than STs most days. Would give me a reason to use my Molot Rhino or other LR builds if I could guarantee where I would see them.
Also, side note, I have used my Pursuer on my Android account as an anti Hydra build a couple of times now and have had good success... unless they are in a Hover or Spydra Griff and chillin up on high... that is.
IMO, YMMV
I also take the tactic that if a Hydra user is focused on me, he's not focused on the other 5. If I'm standing behind cover and he can't do much, then it makes the rest of my team more effective (eventually they will troll another red and I'll have some space). You can't say the same for ST or atleast the chain effect makes that tactic less applicable. Also I wpupd guess the dpm/dps favour the ST
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