Tanking: Don't. Do. It.

So the new form of farming Ag is with inhibitively expensive component bots that cost twice as much Ag to begin with.

Forget the components. Where do you get the silver?

Whats the difference between tanking and playing with your sad useless bots that have a good chance of killing your rank ?     

Nailed it

TRUTH!  It almost makes you appreciate just how few tankers there really are... FBGR is constant Champ through Silver and Bronze on both sides!  The difference is that it's not the players fault and that level player 12 with level 5 Destriers is still TRYING to kill that level 10 Lance with Shocktrains... Tankers drop and help cause losses, then dominate for however many games back up, then back down again... etc.  ?fluffy bunny?ing with everyone else's games.  But, it is what it is... Like bronzeknee said... Pix is obviously not concerned with it.

It don't matter how right or wrong it is morally, most gamers don't put morals into consideration when playing.  It may be generational differences, or it may be just people differences, but there it is.  It's a game and how one approaches playing is up to one's self.

There is a massive logical inconsistency here that makes your argument invalid: You're giving Pixonic a pass, stating they can't do the right thing. But why not the tankers a pass, because they can't do the right thing? The arguments reek of elitism, and who are you to decide who can be judged and who can't? 

Because that's how they make their resources ingame. Fixing the problem won't help them get more resources.

If you damn one, you should damn all.

Now you could turn that around on me and state that I am defending tankers and advocating action against Pixonic. However, that is a simplistic view of this situation: What I am doing is logically consistent because I defend the tankers method of obtaining resources because it is the best practice (unless you can show me evidence that you can obtain more resources without tanking). However, what Pixonic is doing is not the industry best practices, it does not make the most money, and it is just dumb because it is killing their game. We see evidence of that by the backlash Pixonic has faced, and the declining revenue and player base.

Allowing players to tank and implementing pay to win is foolish.

So we should be damning Pixonic. It is way past time to stop defending them.

The lengths you guys are doing to explain away Pixonic's behavior is ridiculous. The human race went to the moon, do you not think we can devise a league system without a loophole? Seriously? And I can think of many games that (SC2, DOTA2, CS, League, Chess) that have league systems without loopholes.

Leagues were not invented to stop seal clubbing. They were invented to stop people from not upgrading and sitting in a spot where they were comfortable. Leagues are there to constantly push you to improve, get new gear, spend more time and money on the game.

Lloyd explained this very well:



If Pixonic cared about seal clubbing, they wouldn't allow people to tank.

But that isn't their priority. Nor is it the priority of tankers to listen to threads like this.

I disagree it is unsportsmanlike. 

How do you feel about fouling someone in basketball who is driving to the hoop? It is encouraged if the player with the ball has a bad free throw percentage. It is part of the game.

What about what Suarez did in the World Cup versus Ghana, an intentional handball on a shot that was going to score, led to a penalty kick that missed the net? That is part of the game too.



How about this goalkeeper? Knowing there was a breakaway and he was alone versus two players, he takes out the net. The refs decided he should face a penalty shot, which is one player versus him, a decidedly better scenario. And the goalie blocks the penalty shot... all part of the game.



These action are all against rules built into the game, but the punishment handed out for breaking these rules are not severe enough to prevent infractions, so there comes a time and place in the game to break said rules. It is part of the game. And if you're not breaking said rules at times, you're not playing to win. In all these instances, I believe the rules should be adjusted so there can be no case where you can benefit from breaking the rules, but I didn't make those rules. And since those rules can easily change, you can only hate the game, not the players.

Tanking in this game is no different, except in one important way: it isn't against the rules. I honestly deplore tanking and want it gone, but it is part of the game. Just like when I may disagree with some of the tax cuts I get, I still takes the benefits from them, all while trying to elect people that will close those loopholes.

That is how life works, it is a game, and you play with the ruleset you have in order to win. In the case of War Robots, winning matches isn't the only important thing, acquiring gear is also important. Tanking is the best way to acquire gear without spending money at the moment.

And Pixonic can change that easily. You have to recognize you just want to play a different game. Because tanking is part of War Robots, like handballs are a part of soccer, like upending the net is part of hockey and like fouling is part of basketball.

I applaud the consistency, though you also must realize you want to play a different game. Let's separate playing to win from being a jerk, they are two different things. 

I think applying morals to sports doesn't make sense in general. You're playing a game with rules. It isn't really a moral situation, only feelings can be hurt.

If you don't like the rules, don't play the game. I don't like the rules of Slapjack and Egyptian Rat Screw, so I don't play those games.

This issue really has nothing to do with morals. I think some people are playing the game to win games, while others play the game to win gear.  Pixonic has to merge these two player groups into one to satisfy all. This is solely on Pixonic.

Just curious - and I'm not judging anyone - but how many Magnum Gepard clubbers here are now complaining about the tankers?

The most efficient manner to acquire absurdly expensive game content will always be to meet minimum requirements in the shortest time possible for maximum game rewards/currency.

Tanking is a game unto itself ... One helped greatly by insane prices for pixels.

My E Honour!

Jesus christ, pix sets the rules not you. And pix's rules are that tanking is fine. Until they say different you guys need to stop telling other people how they can spend their time and play their game (and now trying to witch hunt and shame, shame on you!)

You don't change people's minds by attacking them ffs

Fixing it requires ongoing effort. When loopholes are found you have to fix it again, and again, and again. There is no perfect solution, stop looking for it.

You are welcome. And the bolded section of the above quote is why only Pixonic can fixed this problem, and why they are responsible for it.

Just recognize that you are stating that you want to play a different game, and that in itself isn't a problem, but those who deny it is part of the game are denying reality. As side note, I abhor tanking and again believe that there should no situation in any game where a foul leads to favorable situation for the team or person committing the foul.

I think our only disagreement then is sportsmanlike conduct, and I understand where you are coming from, but one part of the sporting ethos is playing to win and doing everything you can to win. No one wants to be given a free win or played easy against, I want to win because I outplayed you, not because you let me outplay you.  It is disrespectful to the game, the audience and your opponent to not play to win. And playing to win includes using the rules and penalty punishments to win.

So how can we reconcile that? I think we have to see that as long as you are playing to win with good manners (ie not taunting, trying to injure your opponent, ect), you are playing in a sportsmanlike fashion. But perhaps you can show me a better way.

Apply everything you just said to posts on the forum. I'll shame whomever I want, tyvm. Your attacks didn't change my mind.

What's your stance on blocking other blue players from moving out of their spawn? Pix has done nothing to stop it. I guess those guys are just playing how they want, and we shouldn't complain. Or are there certain social rules we try to play by when dealing with other people, regardless of the hardcoded rules?