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Post by T34 on Dec 12, 2017 20:22:31 GMT -5
We have two F2P choices: 1. Consistently play your ?bum-bum? off to win, climb the leagues, experience diminished returns of silver and gold because you are playing against harder competition and taking more damage. 2. Play a few rounds like a jackass with a wimpy hangar, wreaking havoc on both sides, acquiring moderate silver while dropping leagues. Then play your ?bum-bum? off for a few rounds and reap major silver and gold. Farming is more effective in lower leagues. Until Pixonic fixes that, tanking will be a problem and matchmaking will suck. And what is the net result of all this? player retention and increased participation time per player. No matter how you look at it. this is exactly what Pix wants. Pay RM, you have it all. Don't pay RM than grind it. Don't want to grind, well that's tough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 20:30:56 GMT -5
Yeh I love playing ethical and that's why I made a thread here. You should visit that. Edit: By the way why to post on a blog and then give the link. You can post here directly. Several people do. Dredd, this guy, seen another somewhere.
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Post by Replicant on Dec 12, 2017 21:56:43 GMT -5
I disagree it is unsportsmanlike. ... These action are all against rules built into the game, but the punishment handed out for breaking these rules are not severe enough to prevent infractions, so there comes a time and place in the game to break said rules. It is part of the game. ... Everything you just mentioned is unsportsmanlike... everything. ... Edited down a bit for brevity. A few comments: #1 How do you meaningfully distinguish between someone who hides at home spawn and someone who is annihilated 2.5 seconds after leaving cover? (2.5 seconds might be slightly off... a Mk2 Orkan Haechi will obliterate a level 9 bot pretty damn fast). #2 What advice to you have for pilots facing those kinds of odds? I don't like tanking, but the game effectively forces this issue. What I mean by this is I don't actively tank. I participate and try to cap beacons etc. However, there are many games where I am irrelevant. Killing me takes less of a Haechi's clip than what will reload on the way to his next target. I literally cannot move fast enough to get to a beacon to cap it. The only impact I can have on those games is to find a quite corner and play with Noricums. Is this tanking? Spawn Camping? Remember I didn't choose that match-up. All i did was play my best hanger to the best of my ability until Match Maker promoted me to Champion. I'm sure there are some dedicated tankers out there. I wonder how many "tankers" are just regular joes screwed over by Match Maker. I do know its ludicrous to pontificate about sportsmanship when the guys setting up the matches pit Whales vs. Krill. The game is what it is. Either the good matches make up for the bad ones, or its time to find another form of entertainment.
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Post by amidf on Dec 12, 2017 22:49:09 GMT -5
Remember that 2017 is the Year of the Jerk, but there will one day come a reckoning. Hopefully soon. Today in particular we will find out how much more bad character people are willing to tolerate to "win." My hopes are not high for today, but there's always tomorrow. The particular event that I referenced turned out the right way this evening. Maybe the tide is turning. Watch out, turds! The current is getting harder to resist.
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Post by captainplasmahad on Dec 12, 2017 23:38:53 GMT -5
I don’t hold tanking against the players. Most people can’t and won’t spend more than 10 bucks on a free game. I spend 99 cents here and there, but no more.
I got the bulg in 7 or 8 days. I played for about a billion hours. I’m pretty burned out now. I’m not saying I tanked but at times, due to weariness from the grind, I didn’t try to win. I tried to get x number of beacons or kills. I tried to win when I need to get x number of wins to advance the tasks.
If the system was different, I would have played differently. But it is simply not feasible to get 27 wins in a reasonable amount of time (1 day), in the expert leagues. Unless I guess, you tanked down from champion league.
Form follows function. To win, you must play a strategy to win.
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 13, 2017 1:22:48 GMT -5
Don't hate the players. Hate the game. Tanking is allowed by the game and everyone has the right to play the way that will benefit them the most. In game where farming is incredibly important, if tanking gets you more resources, then that is the best practice. It is is up to Pixonic to change that. then the title should be change to Farmville Robot.
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Post by Domino on Dec 13, 2017 12:11:22 GMT -5
Everything you just mentioned is unsportsmanlike... everything. ... Edited down a bit for brevity. A few comments: #1 How do you meaningfully distinguish between someone who hides at home spawn and someone who is annihilated 2.5 seconds after leaving cover? (2.5 seconds might be slightly off... a Mk2 Orkan Haechi will obliterate a level 9 bot pretty damn fast). #2 What advice to you have for pilots facing those kinds of odds? I don't like tanking, but the game effectively forces this issue. What I mean by this is I don't actively tank. I participate and try to cap beacons etc. However, there are many games where I am irrelevant. Killing me takes less of a Haechi's clip than what will reload on the way to his next target. I literally cannot move fast enough to get to a beacon to cap it. The only impact I can have on those games is to find a quite corner and play with Noricums. Is this tanking? Spawn Camping? Remember I didn't choose that match-up. All i did was play my best hanger to the best of my ability until Match Maker promoted me to Champion. I'm sure there are some dedicated tankers out there. I wonder how many "tankers" are just regular joes screwed over by Match Maker. I do know its ludicrous to pontificate about sportsmanship when the guys setting up the matches pit Whales vs. Krill. The game is what it is. Either the good matches make up for the bad ones, or its time to find another form of entertainment. #1) Are you trying to distinguish between a tanker and a legitimate player who just had a bad match? If so, historic data vs hangar strength. I can think of a few ways to go by doing that but that's another discussion. #2) Play the game. If you're losing, that's part of the game. Everyone wants to be 1st place all the time (unless tanking to a place where they can achieve that). If everyone just played to their best ability and hangar setup, some of these issues would go away.. (Please look at the last few post with new comers facing tankers and being discouraged/quitting, these guys are a good part of the future of this game). Don't kid yourself, everyone on the team is relevant. Even when it's a no win game (unless you know the future/have intel on every blue/red hangar in advance), you play the game and try, you never know. being fodder isn't fun but it could be only 1 guy on the team, yet you have a whale on yours to balance things out. You just don't know. We (the player) are compounding the issue by tanking. Pixonic has been wildly mixing different leagues (MM) but that only affects a percentage of the game (mostly Expert in Android for example), with tanking we are now extending it to all the newer players from Silver+. That wasn't Pixonic direct doing, it's the players. Again, when you first downloaded this game, what was your intention? Have fun and be competitive? or to take candy from a baby? Some people are trying to sugar coat their actions, justify it and divert blame to the developers. Sorry but we are all responsible for our own actions. There might be ways to drop ranks that might be ethical, but I'm not talking about that. Also (at least on Android) Match Making has been significantly better.. signficant. I have not seen 1 Champion in the last 50+ games. I'm in Expert 1, moving quickly on Master. I have seen many many tankers however. But if tanking wasn't an issue, MM wouldn't be much of one too.
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Post by Domino on Dec 13, 2017 12:36:04 GMT -5
1 or 10000. dilebertaly losing a game to lower your league and gain an edge over the competition at expense of others is wrong. Or in the case of events, club to finish quicker and gain bots/weapons.. again at the expense of other people's time and playing experience. You can try to make me the bad guy and call me judgemental. But then that's judmental. How about making an argument and present it with facts? But really it's black or white. Tell a judge that you stole a box a paper from work but didn't harm anyone. Your only trying to convince yourself and justify wrong by blaming the system for it. My 8 year old does this. Sad when adults do it too. I'm not interested in being drawn into another argument where were blaming Pixonic for our unsportsmanlike like tactics for perosnal gain. Why is that so? Because it's ruining 10 minutes of your life? So, your values are better than other person's values? Somebody got plenty of money on their hands, and value gameplay time and quality more. Other people got zero money and lots of time, so their values are quite the opposite. You are not worse nor better than any tanker\sealclubber\whale in the game, they got same rights as you. I never... ever discriminated or introduced rights in any way, shape or form. The game was developed to allow people to play this game against a team of six and fight out for a win. If you are not playing the game it's meant to be played, you are not respecting them nor the effort/values they are trying to achieve. If you don't like the way the game is and need to club, then you are playing the wrong game. Find a game that's for babies and dominate there. Here you are on the next post, judging people. I have squad mates that have 1 Haechi that they happen to win. Is that wrong? They tried to win a Fury but got a Heachi so now they are wrong for using it? Pixonic introduced a series of OP bots to rank in the cash. If people want to spend 1000's of dollars on them, fine. It's Pixonics game and if they build a super bot that is indestructible with 10 heavy points and moves anywhere the players tap, well it sucks but Pixonic put this out, not the players. I agree with some of your points but you are being a hypocrite with some of your views. This is why I added both comments into 1. however finding it wrong when people do/play a certain way as listed from 1-5. Don't they have rights? If you want to play norricums and enjoy it, great! you don't care if you're in last place but enjoy and play the game the best you can? That's all that matters. I will curse you at the end of our lose and I won't protect you when attacked but I will move on and hope you're not my team mate on the next match. But if you need to waste dozens of games on purpose in order to league lower and whip out your "good hangar" so you can breeze through and event or whatever. Sorry but that's not the spirit of this game. Never was and you know it. We all have ideas and visions of a awesome game that Pixonic built, but at the end of the day it's thier's. They can do whatever they want with it. Hate them for the decisions they make but don't punish the players for it.
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on Dec 13, 2017 12:50:01 GMT -5
Don't kid yourself, everyone on the team is relevant. No. I’ve been in a match with an mk2 shocktrain haechi. He oneshotted their whole team. In Diamond 3, It was so blatantly overpowered that I just stood and watched for 30 seconds. He smoked them one after the other. After some time a fellow blue griffin stood next to me, also watching the haechi magic. I then decided to eject and move on, because I needed wins and I was sure he got this. And there is the other way, too. When you get steamrolled by a bunch of them koreatrucks, you realize you are not relevant.
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Post by Replicant on Dec 13, 2017 12:58:55 GMT -5
#1) Are you trying to distinguish between a tanker and a legitimate player who just had a bad match? If so, historic data vs hangar strength. I can think of a few ways to go by doing that but that's another discussion. #2) Play the game. If you're losing, that's part of the game. Everyone wants to be 1st place all the time (unless tanking to a place where they can achieve that). If everyone just played to their best ability and hangar setup, some of these issues would go away.. (Please look at the last few post with new comers facing tankers and being discouraged/quitting, these guys are a good part of the future of this game). Don't kid yourself, everyone on the team is relevant. Even when it's a no win game (unless you know the future/have intel on every blue/red hangar in advance), you play the game and try, you never know. being fodder isn't fun but it could be only 1 guy on the team, yet you have a whale on yours to balance things out. You just don't know. We (the player) are compounding the issue by tanking. Pixonic has been wildly mixing different leagues (MM) but that only affects a percentage of the game (mostly Expert in Android for example), with tanking we are now extending it to all the newer players from Silver+. That wasn't Pixonic direct doing, it's the players. Again, when you first downloaded this game, what was your intention? Have fun and be competitive? or to take candy from a baby? Some people are trying to sugar coat their actions, justify it and divert blame to the developers. Sorry but we are all responsible for our own actions. There might be ways to drop ranks that might be ethical, but I'm not talking about that. Also (at least on Android) Match Making has been significantly better.. signficant. I have not seen 1 Champion in the last 50+ games. I'm in Expert 1, moving quickly on Master. I have seen many many tankers however. But if tanking wasn't an issue, MM wouldn't be much of one too. Domino, with respect: I think your coming from a good place, but whether its selection bias or experience, you're in the weeds. If one cares to do a little homework, one can get a very clear idea of the relative level difference between red and blue just by looking at how fast health bars deplete. My experience is that by the first mech-out, I have a pretty accurate view of the match. Post game review of the two teams validates this perception. But that's beside the point. Tanking is irrelevant. Outside of squading, the impact of tanking is statistically neutral. It feels bad when you have to suffer through it, but most people are going to experience a tanker on Red as often as they get them on Blue. My point with the original post is that you can't easily know the motivations or causes of an individual's in game behavior that looks like tanking, and that to the extent that tanking exists, its impact is statistically irrelevant relative to Pixoinic's actions. Let me turn this around: what kind of sportsmanship is it to ram a MKII Haechi up the backside of a Level 9 Griffin? We don't let Featherweights fight Heavyweights, and its not because we fear the Featherweight is going to throw the match. And don't kid your self, not everyone on the team is relevant. We rightly tell our kids this because we want everyone's best effort out there, but a goalie doesn't matter if the other team never reaches your half of the field. War Robots has real problems as a competitive PvP game. Tanking is a symptom of those problems. If new players are turned off by experiencing the odd tanker, how do you think they're going to feel when the game tells them they're awesome (because league promotion), but then they get annihilated (because three month old level 7-8 hangers die horribly to MKII K-bots). I don't advocate tanking or fading or any other manipulation, but the game will force those equivalent outcomes regardless of your actions. The community would be better off moving on from the Tanking issue and spending more time offering constructive strategies on how to navigate the game.
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on Dec 13, 2017 13:14:47 GMT -5
Domino, with respect: my post says nothing but the truth. From top to bottom, this is how it is. About tankers, Pixonic and the forum Yessss ! That is EXACTLY the way I see things !! Exactly how it is.
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Post by Domino on Dec 13, 2017 13:24:36 GMT -5
#1) Are you trying to distinguish between a tanker and a legitimate player who just had a bad match? If so, historic data vs hangar strength. I can think of a few ways to go by doing that but that's another discussion. #2) Play the game. If you're losing, that's part of the game. Everyone wants to be 1st place all the time (unless tanking to a place where they can achieve that). If everyone just played to their best ability and hangar setup, some of these issues would go away.. (Please look at the last few post with new comers facing tankers and being discouraged/quitting, these guys are a good part of the future of this game). Don't kid yourself, everyone on the team is relevant. Even when it's a no win game (unless you know the future/have intel on every blue/red hangar in advance), you play the game and try, you never know. being fodder isn't fun but it could be only 1 guy on the team, yet you have a whale on yours to balance things out. You just don't know. We (the player) are compounding the issue by tanking. Pixonic has been wildly mixing different leagues (MM) but that only affects a percentage of the game (mostly Expert in Android for example), with tanking we are now extending it to all the newer players from Silver+. That wasn't Pixonic direct doing, it's the players. Again, when you first downloaded this game, what was your intention? Have fun and be competitive? or to take candy from a baby? Some people are trying to sugar coat their actions, justify it and divert blame to the developers. Sorry but we are all responsible for our own actions. There might be ways to drop ranks that might be ethical, but I'm not talking about that. Also (at least on Android) Match Making has been significantly better.. signficant. I have not seen 1 Champion in the last 50+ games. I'm in Expert 1, moving quickly on Master. I have seen many many tankers however. But if tanking wasn't an issue, MM wouldn't be much of one too. Domino, with respect: I think your coming from a good place, but whether its selection bias or experience, you're in the weeds. If one cares to do a little homework, one can get a very clear idea of the relative level difference between red and blue just by looking at how fast health bars deplete. My experience is that by the first mech-out, I have a pretty accurate view of the match. Post game review of the two teams validates this perception. But that's beside the point. Tanking is irrelevant. Outside of squading, the impact of tanking is statistically neutral. It feels bad when you have to suffer through it, but most people are going to experience a tanker on Red as often as they get them on Blue. My point with the original post is that you can't easily know the motivations or causes of an individual's in game behavior that looks like tanking, and that to the extent that tanking exists, its impact is statistically irrelevant relative to Pixoinic's actions. Let me turn this around: what kind of sportsmanship is it to ram a MKII Haechi up the backside of a Level 9 Griffin? We don't let Featherweights fight Heavyweights, and its not because we fear the Featherweight is going to throw the match. And don't kid your self, not everyone on the team is relevant. We rightly tell our kids this because we want everyone's best effort out there, but a goalie doesn't matter if the other team never reaches your half of the field. War Robots has real problems as a competitive PvP game. Tanking is a symptom of those problems. If new players are turned off by experiencing the odd tanker, how do you think they're going to feel when the game tells them they're awesome (because league promotion), but then they get annihilated (because three month old level 7-8 hangers die horribly to MKII K-bots). I don't advocate tanking or fading or any other manipulation, but the game will force those equivalent outcomes regardless of your actions. The community would be better off moving on from the Tanking issue and spending more time offering constructive strategies on how to navigate the game. The reason i'm taking the time to argue with some peoples views is mainly because of the attitude tanking brings to viewers. It's going to bleed into constructive strategies that tanking is fair game or a viable strategy. The world is ugly, does that mean I should be too? If you want some background on me: I've played this game for 15 months (give or take) and I've been in Expert for the majority of it. Approximately from lvl 7-8 bots/weapons to now (10/11). I spent the majority (7+ months) being fodder for Champions. The only component item I have is 1xTempest. I tried to ethically tank. I ran a lvl 7/8 hangar with more light bots, some range. in order words against the grain of the brawl style. I ended up in Diamond 2 league after 2 months. I played hard even though I was the underdog and won where I could. I escaped some of the Champion/Master -> Expert MM that was happening at the time however the Halloween event crushed it quickly. I was seeing MK2 or maxed stuff in Diamond for the majority of games, not due to MM but selfish game play that really isn't necessary. I couldn't escape the MM BS thanks to players behaviour not Pixonic directly. The last 30 days or so MM league has stopped throwing Champion league into Expert (on Android). It's usually 1 or 2 Masters and the rest are Experts.. I can tell you times when, even through the Reds had clubers or whales, we out played them and won. It came down to the wire and looking at the Red hangars, they had the upper hand but we still prevailed. Of course I know when I'm taking dmg or giving dmg, what i'm up against. However unless you know the future, you play the game. You don't know every hangar on both teams and you might be the weakest link on the team but that doesn't guarantee a loss. Might be different in TT but Expert is in the middle of that war, that's where i've been for 50%+ of my time with War Robots. So call me an optimist but I'd rather wear rose coloured glasses then be convinced that tanking is ethical game play.
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Post by Russel on Dec 13, 2017 13:29:51 GMT -5
Why is that so? Because it's ruining 10 minutes of your life? So, your values are better than other person's values? Somebody got plenty of money on their hands, and value gameplay time and quality more. Other people got zero money and lots of time, so their values are quite the opposite. You are not worse nor better than any tanker\sealclubber\whale in the game, they got same rights as you. I never... ever discriminated or introduced rights in any way, shape or form. The game was developed to allow people to play this game against a team of six and fight out for a win. If you are not playing the game it's meant to be played, you are not respecting them nor the effort/values they are trying to achieve. If you don't like the way the game is and need to club, then you are playing the wrong game. Find a game that's for babies and dominate there. Here you are on the next post, judging people. I have squad mates that have 1 Haechi that they happen to win. Is that wrong? They tried to win a Fury but got a Heachi so now they are wrong for using it? Pixonic introduced a series of OP bots to rank in the cash. If people want to spend 1000's of dollars on them, fine. It's Pixonics game and if they build a super bot that is indestructible with 10 heavy points and moves anywhere the players tap, well it sucks but Pixonic put this out, not the players. I agree with some of your points but you are being a hypocrite with some of your views. This is why I added both comments into 1. however finding it wrong when people do/play a certain way as listed from 1-5. Don't they have rights? If you want to play norricums and enjoy it, great! you don't care if you're in last place but enjoy and play the game the best you can? That's all that matters. I will curse you at the end of our lose and I won't protect you when attacked but I will move on and hope you're not my team mate on the next match. But if you need to waste dozens of games on purpose in order to league lower and whip out your "good hangar" so you can breeze through and event or whatever. Sorry but that's not the spirit of this game. Never was and you know it. We all have ideas and visions of a awesome game that Pixonic built, but at the end of the day it's thier's. They can do whatever they want with it. Hate them for the decisions they make but don't punish the players for it. Not trying to make any pun or just throw useless argument, I honestly think you are mistaken in one point here. Painted in with red. As I see it - the game was made to make Pix money. Wiki community find it fun to run it as you see "fair" and try to play every match strategical and for the win. Others are playing "get the prize" game, not the "win the battle". So you got your point of view, they got their. I am not, repeat NOT judging you for being one kind or another kind of a player. What triggered me is your phrase (sorry if not exact quote): "And for what? For $300 bot?". Which, in my view, means that you find financial reward too low to "ruin fun" for other people. So basically the idea I saw was: 1) Another person will gain $300 worth of in-game stuff and some fun while gaining it by ruining my game. 2) My enjoyment worth more than $300 of other people's stuff. 3) Another person got less rights than me and he\she should behave the way I want. That what made me tick. Sorry if I misread you.
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Post by darkknight on Dec 13, 2017 13:52:27 GMT -5
Well just a simple question to all who are against the tankers If we don’t have a right or whatever you call it to lower our leagues and use our lvl 9/10 weap against newbies or players with lower gears Then how come whales have right to play with their mk2 max chgears gains our lvl 9/10 gears...just because they paid for it ? Well for tanking you don’t pay In dollars or any other money but you use something as much important “Time”..also once you reach the expert 2 the so called invisible wall for climbing leaugues you get 2 champs atleast in red team with max gears..so if you can’t beat them either join them or start complaining..if it hurts your pride keep on complaining although I don’t believe pix would fix it Only advantage it gives is getting stuff faster than f2p players just because tankers can’t afford to pay for gears and don’t mind doing same things those whale does in a way I won’t say don’t blame tankers but primarily it’s pix fault although there are some other sort of tankers who may tank even if mm was good or fixed and I won’t defend them by any means
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Post by Domino on Dec 13, 2017 13:57:15 GMT -5
I never... ever discriminated or introduced rights in any way, shape or form. The game was developed to allow people to play this game against a team of six and fight out for a win. If you are not playing the game it's meant to be played, you are not respecting them nor the effort/values they are trying to achieve. If you don't like the way the game is and need to club, then you are playing the wrong game. Find a game that's for babies and dominate there. Here you are on the next post, judging people. I have squad mates that have 1 Haechi that they happen to win. Is that wrong? They tried to win a Fury but got a Heachi so now they are wrong for using it? Pixonic introduced a series of OP bots to rank in the cash. If people want to spend 1000's of dollars on them, fine. It's Pixonics game and if they build a super bot that is indestructible with 10 heavy points and moves anywhere the players tap, well it sucks but Pixonic put this out, not the players. I agree with some of your points but you are being a hypocrite with some of your views. This is why I added both comments into 1. however finding it wrong when people do/play a certain way as listed from 1-5. Don't they have rights? If you want to play norricums and enjoy it, great! you don't care if you're in last place but enjoy and play the game the best you can? That's all that matters. I will curse you at the end of our lose and I won't protect you when attacked but I will move on and hope you're not my team mate on the next match. But if you need to waste dozens of games on purpose in order to league lower and whip out your "good hangar" so you can breeze through and event or whatever. Sorry but that's not the spirit of this game. Never was and you know it. We all have ideas and visions of a awesome game that Pixonic built, but at the end of the day it's thier's. They can do whatever they want with it. Hate them for the decisions they make but don't punish the players for it. Not trying to make any pun or just throw useless argument, I honestly think you are mistaken in one point here. Painted in with red. As I see it - the game was made to make Pix money. Wiki community find it fun to run it as you see "fair" and try to play every match strategical and for the win. Others are playing "get the prize" game, not the "win the battle". So you got your point of view, they got their. I am not, repeat NOT judging you for being one kind or another kind of a player. What triggered me is your phrase (sorry if not exact quote): "And for what? For $300 bot?". Which, in my view, means that you find financial reward too low to "ruin fun" for other people. So basically the idea I saw was: 1) Another person will gain $300 worth of in-game stuff and some fun while gaining it by ruining my game. 2) My enjoyment worth more than $300 of other people's stuff. 3) Another person got less rights than me and he\she should behave the way I want. That what made me tick. Sorry if I misread you. You build something that people will like to play and capitalize on it. If they built this game and have a catch phrase: "This game is all about getting to the top and then dropping down to the bottom and club newbies for easy rewards/prizes" I doubt many people would have signed up. I have been through at least 5 events. It never failed once that on the announcement of an event, a vast amount of people would tank in order to be ready to club and get to the top prize as quickly/easily as possible no matter the collateral dmg it causes. if that falls into #1, then that's what is it (it's definitely not 2 or 3) but it's not just my game, is everyone's game/time/experience involved (and the dollar value is irrelevant where the act is). After the event the majority of it levels off and people general end up where they belong. Never fails. Pixonic history on trying to curb clubbing: invisible leagues based on hangar setup (pre-leagues) MM Leagues (this has become significantly better in the last month) LQ - If they didn't care, why even divert ANY resources to do this. A more serious LQ - no prizes in LQ hard bottom to leagues - bronze (whoopie but still) Prizes for League placement More prizes/rewards for higher league placement (future) We can all discuss and debate what Pixonic has done (or lack of) with clubbers but there some evidence of policy and practice in place to dissuade it (as sad as it has been).
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Post by Replicant on Dec 13, 2017 14:01:35 GMT -5
So call me an optimist but I'd rather wear rose coloured glasses then be convinced that tanking is ethical game play. We're pretty much fellow travelers. I started playing iOS a earlier and played up to Expert with an entirely freemium hanger, but switched to FBGR in September. Did you experience the Geppard Clubbing Wars pre-MM revamp? Getting clubbed by Mag/Geppards in high bronze/low silver was remarkably similar to the current experience of K-bots and Shocktrains. Tanking took the form of rapid-fire mech ejection, and was pretty common once three or more Geppards were identified on the Red team. The only real solution was to upgrade beyond low silver, but of course (upgrading beyond the clubbing zone) is not really possible anymore without a large cash outlay.
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Post by Domino on Dec 13, 2017 14:30:43 GMT -5
So call me an optimist but I'd rather wear rose coloured glasses then be convinced that tanking is ethical game play. We're pretty much fellow travelers. I started playing iOS a earlier and played up to Expert with an entirely freemium hanger, but switched to FBGR in September. Did you experience the Geppard Clubbing Wars pre-MM revamp? Getting clubbed by Mag/Geppards in high bronze/low silver was remarkably similar to the current experience of K-bots and Shocktrains. Tanking took the form of rapid-fire mech ejection, and was pretty common once three or more Geppards were identified on the Red team. The only real solution was to upgrade beyond low silver, but of course (upgrading beyond the clubbing zone) is not really possible anymore without a large cash outlay. I caught the tail end of mag/aphid gepards, I think it was as soon as I bought a Leo then I was thrown into "silver".
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Post by Russel on Dec 13, 2017 17:30:29 GMT -5
Pixonic history on trying to curb clubbing: invisible leagues based on hangar setup (pre-leagues) MM Leagues (this has become significantly better in the last month) LQ - If they didn't care, why even divert ANY resources to do this. A more serious LQ - no prizes in LQ hard bottom to leagues - bronze (whoopie but still) Prizes for League placement More prizes/rewards for higher league placement (future) We can all discuss and debate what Pixonic has done (or lack of) with clubbers but there some evidence of policy and practice in place to dissuade it (as sad as it has been). Okay, it's time for me to stop, because I firmly believe Pix re-designed the game after Mailru bought Pix to promote sealclubbing. And LQ is designed to 1) force players to remain still while being sealclubbed; 2) to be able to say "see? we care" but really, I think we should agree to disagree here.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Dec 13, 2017 17:47:26 GMT -5
Russel is 100% right. Domino is basically saying he knows best and his values are more important than those of others. If you aren't playing the game his way, you're in the wrong. And yes, you as an individual are for some reason responsible for the enjoyment of the 11 other players on the field. If you do something that they don't all enjoy, you're an 「bum-bum hole」. Gotcha. Everyone should be playing the game in whatever way they get the most enjoyment out of. Plain and simple.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Dec 13, 2017 17:51:32 GMT -5
What you are doing is wrong. You can express and encourage people to play the game the way you think it should be played but going on an extensive public crusade (as stated in your post) in order to defame people is wrong. Period. No ifs no buts. As a side question. Have you tried to contact Pixonic about your target or have you tried to contact the player? You don’t seem to mention that in your article. . Shaming a tanker is as wrong as shaming the school bully in front of the whole neighborood. Which is, it is not. I applaud to that, no ifs, no buts. The attempt at scaring the guy throwing words like defamation and "tricky legal thing" around is childish, to say the least.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Dec 13, 2017 17:59:54 GMT -5
What you are doing is wrong. You can express and encourage people to play the game the way you think it should be played but going on an extensive public crusade (as stated in your post) in order to defame people is wrong. Period. No ifs no buts. As a side question. Have you tried to contact Pixonic about your target or have you tried to contact the player? You don’t seem to mention that in your article. . Shaming a tanker is as wrong as shaming the school bully in front of the whole neighborood. Which is, it is not. I applaud to that, no ifs, no buts. The attempt at scaring the guy throwing words like defamation and "tricky legal thing" around is childish, to say the least. This makes me want to read the whole thread xD. I think the only thing about this is that tankers don't care. At least to my knowledge, I've never met a tanker that is ashamed to admit that they tank. A lot of them actually enjoy the attention, so you are doing them as much a favor as the seals they get to club.
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Post by amidf on Dec 13, 2017 18:26:16 GMT -5
Shaming a tanker is as wrong as shaming the school bully in front of the whole neighborood. Which is, it is not. I applaud to that, no ifs, no buts. The attempt at scaring the guy throwing words like defamation and "tricky legal thing" around is childish, to say the least. This makes me want to read the whole thread xD. I think the only thing about this is that tankers don't care. At least to my knowledge, I've never met a tanker that is ashamed to admit that they tank. A lot of them actually enjoy the attention, so you are doing them as much a favor as the seals they get to club. There's a tanker on this forum that gets mad when I call him out. Some do care. Hasn't changed the behavior, but they don't like the criticism.
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Post by T34 on Dec 13, 2017 18:34:22 GMT -5
What you are doing is wrong. You can express and encourage people to play the game the way you think it should be played but going on an extensive public crusade (as stated in your post) in order to defame people is wrong. Period. No ifs no buts. As a side question. Have you tried to contact Pixonic about your target or have you tried to contact the player? You don’t seem to mention that in your article. . Shaming a tanker is as wrong as shaming the school bully in front of the whole neighborood. Which is, it is not. I applaud to that, no ifs, no buts. The attempt at scaring the guy throwing words like defamation and "tricky legal thing" around is childish, to say the least. You are confusing a deplorable real life situation that has meaningful and in more severe cases effective system based remedy with a situation in a game where the developer hasn’t even said with one word that manipulation of leagues to gain an advantage is not an acceptable behaviour. On the contrary, every single change for months has aided and encouraged the practice. The only logical conclusion is that it is in there by design. And you are trying to shame people that behave as per the intent of the developer because you have adopted a different attitude as to how the game should be played. People play by the rules of Pixonic in a game developed by Pixonic. You are welcome to influence the population and Poxinic how the game should be played but doing it via publicly molesting and defaming people is not on.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Dec 13, 2017 18:36:23 GMT -5
This makes me want to read the whole thread xD. I think the only thing about this is that tankers don't care. At least to my knowledge, I've never met a tanker that is ashamed to admit that they tank. A lot of them actually enjoy the attention, so you are doing them as much a favor as the seals they get to club. There's a tanker on this forum that gets mad when I call him out. Some do care. Hasn't changed the behavior, but they don't like the criticism. Who? Tag them and call them out I want to see!
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Post by T34 on Dec 13, 2017 18:40:58 GMT -5
This makes me want to read the whole thread xD. I think the only thing about this is that tankers don't care. At least to my knowledge, I've never met a tanker that is ashamed to admit that they tank. A lot of them actually enjoy the attention, so you are doing them as much a favor as the seals they get to club. There's a tanker on this forum that gets mad when I call him out. Some do care. Hasn't changed the behavior, but they don't like the criticism. You call him out indeed but from what I can remember you have not stepped over the line with your statements. Under the circumstances it is your prerogative to do that because you have different opinions and questioning his claims based on the knowledge that he tanks. Eg, asking why it matters to consider the decrease in HP in relation to a MK2 upgrade of an OP bot in silver.
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Post by T34 on Dec 13, 2017 18:42:36 GMT -5
There's a tanker on this forum that gets mad when I call him out. Some do care. Hasn't changed the behavior, but they don't like the criticism. Who? Tag them and call them out I want to see! No Don't do that pls. don't inflame the situation.
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Post by karlhungus on Dec 13, 2017 18:47:33 GMT -5
Well just a simple question to all who are against the tankers If we don’t have a right or whatever you call it to lower our leagues and use our lvl 9/10 weap against newbies or players with lower gears Then how come whales have right to play with their mk2 max chgears gains our lvl 9/10 gears...just because they paid for it ? Well for tanking you don’t pay In dollars or any other money but you use something as much important “Time”..also once you reach the expert 2 the so called invisible wall for climbing leaugues you get 2 champs atleast in red team with max gears..so if you can’t beat them either join them or start complaining..if it hurts your pride keep on complaining although I don’t believe pix would fix it Only advantage it gives is getting stuff faster than f2p players just because tankers can’t afford to pay for gears and don’t mind doing same things those whale does in a way I won’t say don’t blame tankers but primarily it’s pix fault although there are some other sort of tankers who may tank even if mm was good or fixed and I won’t defend them by any means You don't get it. It's fine if you're clubbed at the top but you shouldn't come to my back garden and club me. If there was real matchmaking that didn't pit f2p lvl 10 mk1 against whale mk2 I'd abhor tanking, but there isn't.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Dec 13, 2017 18:51:01 GMT -5
Who? Tag them and call them out I want to see! No Don't do that pls. don't inflame the situation. It's a thread about tanking, I think it degenerates from the first post on. Let's at least make it entertaining before it fizzles out into nothingness.
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Post by T34 on Dec 13, 2017 18:54:21 GMT -5
No Don't do that pls. don't inflame the situation. It's a thread about tanking, I think it degenerates from the first post on. Let's at least make it entertaining before it fizzles out into nothingness. It really isn't a nice scene when amidf and the other guy clash. Sort of not entertaining and more like I don't want to see it bad.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Dec 13, 2017 18:55:45 GMT -5
Shaming a tanker is as wrong as shaming the school bully in front of the whole neighborood. Which is, it is not. I applaud to that, no ifs, no buts. The attempt at scaring the guy throwing words like defamation and "tricky legal thing" around is childish, to say the least. You are confusing a deplorable real life situation that has meaningful and in more severe cases effective system based remedy with a situation in a game where the developer hasn’t even said with one word that manipulation of leagues to gain an advantage is not an acceptable behaviour. On the contrary, every single change for months has aided and encouraged the practice. The only logical conclusion is that it is in there by design. And you are trying to shame people that behave as per the intent of the developer because you have adopted a different attitude as to how the game should be played. People play by the rules of Pixonic in a game developed by Pixonic. You are welcome to influence the population and Poxinic how the game should be played but doing it via publicly molesting and defaming people is not on. Not confusion, the word you were looking for is analogy. As for the rest, bunch of horse manure you probably tell yourself to make you feel better, but it's the same as saying that society is at fault for crime or unethical behaviour. What else, tankers were probably abused as kids? Any other bleeding heart idiocy? Pah! I couldn't care less, if insulting and shaming a tanker is all I can do, at least it will ease the frustration he's causing. He is not entitled to any respect from me.
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