Pay To Win...sorry, but no

You are taking the term too literally. "Pay-to-increase-your-chances-of-winning" is really what it means. It's just too damn long to say. Hell if people will write that.

tell us again after you fight an all Dash, Shocktrucks on the side, (estimated) $x,000 hangars, squad,

they can play carelessly, “like a gold leaguer” according to some, and still win,

Ouch.  As a Gold League'er...just ouch 
Not saying it isn't true tho lol

sorry mate  it was not from me but from a quote.  I edited my post.  

quote was from this conversation (also nix’s reply below the post): 

 war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/post/216575/thread

uh oh... somebody has their tinfoil hat on too tight.did Pix gave you  5 extra free Ad videos to back this one up.

I think that the term "win" is relative. It seems like a lot of players are only there to get a high score and don't care if their team wins of looses. This is evident of players/teams completely ignoring beacons and going for the kill right away and throughout the match. So, a high score is a win to them.

I'm not going to bother reading the replies (or critics) to the OP. However, I thought about creating a similar thread to this one in the Tips & Advice section.

I 100% agree with the OP that "Pay to Win" ideology is completely, utterly ridiculous, and is used only by the noobs. Pay to increase your chances of winning would be more accurate in this case and I am a perfect example for this. 

I will not deny the fact that I have spent tremendous amount of cash on this game, however, if you look at my hanger then you will notice that I earned the rank of Master with 0 dash/OP bot, and 0 MKII/OP weapons in my hanger. I earned this rank with my hard work by combining my skills with the team I was placed in. Believe it or not, I have taken several dash bots, Rhinos, and even lancelots with my Hover bot using my skills. 

When I was in college my professor used to tell us: "A champion team will beat a team of champions." Boy! Now I understand what he meant. 

Once again, I fully support the OP's post. Money will not buy you the win, it will only facilitate it. It is the skills you have achieved playing this game by combining it with the team you are placed in that would make you win and advance in leagues.

I think this is a bit backwards.

I mean, if you put two payers against each others, one is going to lose? So it's impossible to pay to win every time, unless you are the only one paying. Talking about how paying does not guarantee a win is a total straw-man argument.

The correct way to of seeing this is, if you don't pay, you don't win, unless carried by those who do pay. P2W means, paying players decide who wins.

Do you disagree? If you paid a lot, I assume you have a high level DIESS hangar. Now would someone with hangar from... last June, win against you? Assuming teams are otherwise equal, would your paying give you win basically almost every time?

I think it's more like Pay-to-Progress. Just the amount of time needed to acquire two or three Dash bots as well as leveling them and their weapons to MK2 is unreasonable.

Until you hit 2 million damage and average 1.2 mil, you're just a non-op joe like the rest of us

Shocktrain Haechi. Your team has one, the other does not. Game over.

Yes, you CAN pay to win a majority of your games.

I love how posts like this completely disregard the relative skills of everyone else. The OP assumes (a) that everyone else doesn’t know what they’re talking about, because (b), they ALL posses subpar skills. Except for the OP, who miraculously wins through his/her own godlike skills. Apparently the only reason anyone complains is if they suck too bad to win a fair fight.

And, Mr. OP, stop being deliberately dense and self-righteous. You know as well as anyone else that “P2W“ does not literally mean buying wins. It means buying an advantage that will massively enhance your chances of winning. An advantage that may ONLY be purchased with RWD, or very nearly so. Players spending $$$ to buy OP gear and then maxing it out? Yeah, that’s pretty much buying a win.

Get off your pedestal. You’re not making a point, you’re just making yourself look bad.

I'm actually quite surprised you don't know what you're talking about, playing on facebook and all.

*shrug*

Still, clueless guy is clueless I suppose.

trust me, you are having a chance to win and advance because some of your random teammates have DIESS gears to counter-balance the red players with DIESS.  you can of course be more skillful to help your team more effectively.  but to win against paying opponents requires some of paying teammates these days. hyderier put it nicely in one of the replies.

if your team has no DIESS bots at all fighting full DIESS (let’s add T for Tempest Furies) clan squad, all your skill can do is being at the top damage among losers or at least avoid the -22.  in that way you can still advance in league, but you cannot win. 

I know this because I am also at master2@ios (and advancing) without any DIESS nor even a Lance.  I analyze the recorded video and composition of each team after each battle.  I kind of have an idea how I have been keeping around 60% win rate without a DIESS gear these days.  it’s definitely not just bcs I am skillful and others with OP gears are noops.  it’s a bit more complicated than that (I will write about it at one point, unless what I have observed are affected heavily by the introduction of the second hangar after the update hit the ios)

your case (as well as mine) is not very relevant in telling whether this is p2w or not.  sementics aside, the gap between cash gears and non-cash ones are ridiculously broad at the moment, and that is what all people are worrying and frustrated about.

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I think it may not be iOS or Android, but could be wrong.

Either way, this is a troll thread so put the food away folks.