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Post by Russel on Apr 17, 2017 17:21:55 GMT -5
To me, the forum has gotten more negative, but that is because there is a lot more to complain about. I am not sure why there needs to be a change to the rules if the playerbase as a whole has a more negative view of the game. I believe- firmly- that this Forum serves as an important community hub in the game. Not just a hub, but a beacon, where people can get friendly advice and guidance. Sorry, I just could't contain myself - how can I cap those beacon? :-D
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Apr 17, 2017 17:50:09 GMT -5
I believe- firmly- that this Forum serves as an important community hub in the game. Not just a hub, but a beacon, where people can get friendly advice and guidance. Sorry, I just could't contain myself - how can I cap those beacon? :-D You need a Gary preferably leveled to 12
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Apr 17, 2017 17:56:16 GMT -5
I am new here. But, saw the change they are discussing. I read more than I post. Something I learned from other forums. The dog piling(not adding anything constructive to a compliant-just adding a whole page of your opinion that you agree), and high jacking threads to complain or going off tangent of the original topic are two of the things that I see that others may be seeing as toxic.
I guess what I'm hoping for, if someone new reads this. Is this forum is a part of the community of War Robots, it is/was something that the older members of this forum enjoyed. They want us to be a part of something they enjoy. But, think of real life. Being totally negative doesn't win you any friends. If you have a rant-try searching to see if someone already posted about, and if there is-let it die.
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Post by mijapi300 on Apr 17, 2017 18:25:22 GMT -5
Sorry, I just could't contain myself - how can I cap those beacon? :-D You need a Gary preferably leveled to 12
blastronaut, mijapi300
You actually just need to be level 9. Weapons can be higher for easier effectiveness, however.
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Post by pewpew on Apr 19, 2017 21:23:20 GMT -5
What we're trying to avoid is a sort of Left Behind scenario where some of the most insightful and helpful posters- the ones that helped make this place awesome to being with- all disappear, leaving the trolls and sh1+posters who did their best (deliberately or otherwise) to tank the place are all that remain. I believe- firmly- that this Forum serves as an important community hub in the game. Not just a hub, but a beacon, where people can get friendly advice and guidance. If people want a toilet, they can find it on Facebook. We are intent on allowing the best of this place to be preserved, balanced with the desire to give as much latitude and leeway to posters as we possibly can. When those things come into conflict, we side with the former and not the latter. To date we have not banned almost anyone that has made a solid and positive contribution to this Forum. Most would be lucky if anyone even remembered their names in 90 days. Fair enough, valid points. My only caution is the causality and origin of this new negativity. Every forum will have its trolls. If there is a significant increase in negativity then it could be more of a symptom of changes in the game that are not well received. The question is, for the positive contributors left in this forum, what is the best use of time? While curating the forum and modifying the rules to encourage positivity will help with things, it could be focusing on the symptom and not the problem (it would have a benefit though, not denying that). It might be better to allocate more of that energy to lobby pix to stop making poorly received changes to the game. Just something to consider, you have a better idea than me about the state of the forum. One alternative would be drafting proposals and trying to get significant support and agreement with them and finding a way to present them to pixonic. While this is done informally, formalizing this process may be helpful. All I can say is I pray that the joint meeting between pix and forum reps is productive, for all of our sakes. If it is not I def. want to try to speak with them if there is a round 2 since I have been playing for a year and a half now, but I have not been that involved with the forums.
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Post by Russel on Apr 20, 2017 2:25:51 GMT -5
Fair enough, valid points. My only caution is the causality and origin of this new negativity. Every forum will have its trolls. If there is a significant increase in negativity then it could be more of a symptom of changes in the game that are not well received. The question is, for the positive contributors left in this forum, what is the best use of time? While curating the forum and modifying the rules to encourage positivity will help with things, it could be focusing on the symptom and not the problem (it would have a benefit though, not denying that). It might be better to allocate more of that energy to lobby pix to stop making poorly received changes to the game. Just something to consider, you have a better idea than me about the state of the forum. One alternative would be drafting proposals and trying to get significant support and agreement with them and finding a way to present them to pixonic. While this is done informally, formalizing this process may be helpful. All I can say is I pray that the joint meeting between pix and forum reps is productive, for all of our sakes. If it is not I def. want to try to speak with them if there is a round 2 since I have been playing for a year and a half now, but I have not been that involved with the forums. It's Puffin time! What is game is NOT getting worse? What if it is becoming just a new game? New meta, new bots, new speed, new tactics, new gameplay. Time of slow lumbering big bots is fading, and faster, jumping bots are coming to stage. Game is evolving from World of Tanks into Hawken. Once again, player base is growing, and new players need "pew-pew" and "bling-bling" to come, and fast-paced action. That is the reason why nobody is taking beacons - it's not fun, not "pew-pewwy" enough. And people in the forum is like elders - everybody love elders, everybody know that elders just got to go sometime soon, with all their "The kids aren't alright these days!! You are going to hell, young boy!!" stuff, but new generation is just too polite to say it in elder's face. So if Pixonic asks for an opinion, and after being given some advice, makes exactly opposite turn - that might be a sign that this advice don't go well with actual majority, who like WarRobots to be more MichaelBay'ye and more "pew-pewwie".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 2:33:34 GMT -5
To me, the forum has gotten more negative, but that is because there is a lot more to complain about. I am not sure why there needs to be a change to the rules if the playerbase as a whole has a more negative view of the game. While I understand the point you're making, a fair proportion of people- who may not be happy with the game themselves- don't find the environment attractive. There are a number of high-quality contributors who have all but disappeared. I can't say with certainty that it's because of negativity. It could be a lot of different reasons, but I know the number who have diminished interest due to the tone of the forum is a nonzero number. I know that firsthand. What we're trying to avoid is a sort of Left Behind scenario where some of the most insightful and helpful posters- the ones that helped make this place awesome to being with- all disappear, leaving the trolls and sh1+posters who did their best (deliberately or otherwise) to tank the place are all that remain. I believe- firmly- that this Forum serves as an important community hub in the game. Not just a hub, but a beacon, where people can get friendly advice and guidance. If people want a toilet, they can find it on Facebook. We are intent on allowing the best of this place to be preserved, balanced with the desire to give as much latitude and leeway to posters as we possibly can. When those things come into conflict, we side with the former and not the latter. To date we have not banned almost anyone that has made a solid and positive contribution to this Forum. Most would be lucky if anyone even remembered their names in 90 days. Post of the year nomination
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 2:38:01 GMT -5
Well said. @heavypanda
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Post by NokiaSåmsung on Apr 20, 2017 3:50:48 GMT -5
The forum itself didn't become negative.
Just that it is filled with negativity towards War Robots / Pix, and most of the posts now are in one way or another a form of ranting.
As for squabbling, I'll be surprise if it doesn't happen. Imagine if someone is in the middle of ranting abt how stupid this game is, another guy comes by and say "hey this game is great, u r the issue" or something to that effect...
On the rules, have never read it. Guess as long as you're not vulgar nor rude it should keep you safe. And by trial and error, a certain lvl of sexiness in your post is generally allowed - just hv to hide it in the furthest corner of this forum lol.
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Post by pewpew on Apr 21, 2017 10:30:49 GMT -5
What is game is NOT getting worse? What if it is becoming just a new game? New meta, new bots, new speed, new tactics, new gameplay. Time of slow lumbering big bots is fading, and faster, jumping bots are coming to stage. Game is evolving from World of Tanks into Hawken. Once again, player base is growing, and new players need "pew-pew" and "bling-bling" to come, and fast-paced action. That is the reason why nobody is taking beacons - it's not fun, not "pew-pewwy" enough. And people in the forum is like elders - everybody love elders, everybody know that elders just got to go sometime soon, with all their "The kids aren't alright these days!! You are going to hell, young boy!!" stuff, but new generation is just too polite to say it in elder's face. So if Pixonic asks for an opinion, and after being given some advice, makes exactly opposite turn - that might be a sign that this advice don't go well with actual majority, who like WarRobots to be more MichaelBay'ye and more "pew-pewwie". I don't think anyone is arguing changes in meta is the reason the game is going downhill. I personally would welcome it if bot speed was increased 50% across the board. It is more about serious problems with match making and the shift to making bots only available at events (although WW bots could have been an exception).
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Post by pewpew on Apr 21, 2017 10:44:19 GMT -5
While I understand the point you're making, a fair proportion of people- who may not be happy with the game themselves- don't find the environment attractive. There are a number of high-quality contributors who have all but disappeared. I can't say with certainty that it's because of negativity. It could be a lot of different reasons, but I know the number who have diminished interest due to the tone of the forum is a nonzero number. I know that firsthand. What we're trying to avoid is a sort of Left Behind scenario where some of the most insightful and helpful posters- the ones that helped make this place awesome to being with- all disappear, leaving the trolls and sh1+posters who did their best (deliberately or otherwise) to tank the place are all that remain. To expand what I was talking about earlier: improving the state of the forum is a battle, improving the state of the game is the war. I don't doubt that people have diminished interest in the forum due to its negativity. But I find it outlandish to think that people's interest in the *game* is determined by this forum compared to their experience *in game*. What matters is people's engagement in the *game*, not this forum, correct? If you make the assertion that the negativity on this forum is driving significant numbers of people away in game, I am at a loss as to where you can get that impression. If people really loved the state of the game then getting trolled/attacked would not stop them because they have something to fight for and defend. From my perspective the situation is akin to mowing the lawn and doing landscaping while the house is rotting and falling apart from the foundations. Sure the work is still beneficial, but is it the best use of your time?
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Post by Russel on Apr 21, 2017 11:17:13 GMT -5
What is game is NOT getting worse? What if it is becoming just a new game? New meta, new bots, new speed, new tactics, new gameplay. Time of slow lumbering big bots is fading, and faster, jumping bots are coming to stage. Game is evolving from World of Tanks into Hawken. Once again, player base is growing, and new players need "pew-pew" and "bling-bling" to come, and fast-paced action. That is the reason why nobody is taking beacons - it's not fun, not "pew-pewwy" enough. And people in the forum is like elders - everybody love elders, everybody know that elders just got to go sometime soon, with all their "The kids aren't alright these days!! You are going to hell, young boy!!" stuff, but new generation is just too polite to say it in elder's face. So if Pixonic asks for an opinion, and after being given some advice, makes exactly opposite turn - that might be a sign that this advice don't go well with actual majority, who like WarRobots to be more MichaelBay'ye and more "pew-pewwie". I don't think anyone is arguing changes in meta is the reason the game is going downhill. I personally would welcome it if bot speed was increased 50% across the board. It is more about serious problems with match making and the shift to making bots only available at events (although WW bots could have been an exception). Your wish might be granted :-D "Robot mobility" is on test server
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