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Post by zer00eyz on Apr 15, 2017 0:04:43 GMT -5
I just want to point something out: The majority of the users aren't coming to have fights: they are here because of something (they should) enjoy. I think SlowReflexes said it best when he described it as "frustration and bitterness" that is permitting the forums. So lets talk about the things we KNOW: 1.5 million DAU at peek (thats daily active users) and 70k peek concurrent users 1. 20% of pix's revenue is from japan, and it was/is doing over a million a month in revenue (note this is not earnings) 2. Pix was sold to mail.ru, the deal is valued at 30 million, 20million upfront and 10 million if they meet targets 3. This price is inline with the million dollars a month in revenue number (3x-5x multiplier would be industry standard after looking at the internal cost basis). However, this "acquisition" is somewhat abnormal by western standards. Most of these sorts of scenarios look to retain technical employees and remove redundant departments (marketing, accounting and so on). As of this date the opposite appears to be going on (A linked in search would be required for verification and is impossible to share). Pixonic has other games in the works, what amount of resources are being invested in these is hard to determine 4. As someone who is technical, the number of developers they claim to have and the progress being made aren't lining up. Pixonic at one point maintained their own forums. These were "shut down" because a replacement was in the works. The thread announcing the closing of them is a microcosm of the issues were seeing today 5. A promise of something better, a plea for Pix to respond, a complaint that Facebook is filled with 「dookie」posts (I'll let the filter have that one). Getting messaging out of pix has been difficult to say the least, I have personally and publicly done some arm twisting 6 and got a response from them 7 that they were going to be better about communication. As of today some of the issues that impact the game (low level players in the leavers queue, a clear statement about map skipping) have again been directly asked and gone un-answerd 8. It took how long and how much pressure to get a straight answer on the leaver queue? We do have an official endorsement of the fact that you can press leave game when you run out of bots and not have an impact on your leaver queue karma 9. The fact that pix's rep can confirm this, but has not said a single word on the other issues is troubling. Mean while the league system itself is rife for manipulation (are you all demoting to re-gain that promotion gold?), and may be having outsized issues (recent changes to how points are allotted in bronze) that are common in any ELO style system. With little insight other than our own game data it is hard to get a clear picture of what is going on. (Android users should brace themselves for the coming winter of points starvation and instability, points are collecting at the top at a much higher rate than last month!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internally the forms are starting to look like The North & The South, The Democrats & Republicans, the Hatfields & McCoys (god we Americans love duality) on a large number of issues: leagues vs hanger MM, tanker vs non tanker, give it time vs fix it faster. In reflecting on what Dredd77 has posted here, I realize that it is a continuation of his policy of being calm and diplomatic. It is something we could all stand to be a bit more of (calm and diplomatic) for the time being. I would hope that out of the coming round table that we get a clear sense that the issues we collectively face are going to be addressed and a sense of "when" or at least "what order" they will be addressed in. I might not like every thing that comes out of the round table, I don't have to, I simply want clarity something to point to other than our own speculation about our issues. However, I am going to hold pix to what comes out of the round table. If they fail, if they falter, if they recant or leave us in the same echo chamber are in today we WILL need to harness the same negative energy we have been using against each other and collectively aim it at Pixonic. 1. www.pocketgamer.biz/interview/65472/pixonic-on-the-evolution-of-war-robots/2. www.pocketgamer.biz/video/64902/how-pixonic-grew-revenues-for-its-games-from-0-to-1m-a-month/ && www.pocketgamer.biz/news/64115/mailru-acquires-war-robots-developer-pixonic-for-up-to-30-million/3. rbth.com/science_and_tech/2016/10/05/mailru-group-acquires-gaming-company-pixonic-for-30-mln_635953 4. www.pocketgamer.biz/interview/65267/pixonic-on-maintaining-its-quality-first-ethos/5. Walking War Robots.mobi/forum/russian-sector/pixonic/updates/60919-latest-forum-news 6. https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/comments/61zrxl/leaver_queue_is_only_in_data_collection_mode_at/dfiyuj4/&& https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/comments/621wai/disappointed_in_facebook_posters/dfjdoxq/ 7. https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/comments/626e6g/official_our_stance_on_communication/ 8. https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/comments/654i24/official_poll_results_breakdown_the_future_of/dg7n22n/ 9. https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/comments/65be1d/psa_you_dont_have_to_spectate_if_you_mech_out/
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Post by cakeordeath on Apr 15, 2017 1:18:57 GMT -5
How long do you think it will take him to make a new gmail address/forum account? Someone should start a Poll. Now that would just be creepy... Edit:. Doh, shaolinrogue beat me to the punch. That'll teach me not to finish reading a thread.
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Post by shakree on Apr 15, 2017 1:51:53 GMT -5
Is the forum negative? It has had to be since the content origin is mostly from divisive changes that need to be discussed. I'd say this forum provides a pretty good place to have a fierce discussion. Over the last 4/5 months with influx of new forumites, I'd say thanks Mod Team - those on the frontline and others behind the scenes - I reckon you've done a good job as anyone can heading cats. Always room for improvement but when is that not the case with any forum, over-policing makes for a dull environment.
With radical game mechanic changes, I like the hard fought discussions held about them. Also, some pretty awesome forum member driven added value, comps, stories, blogs, videos, guides...etc etc...in my book positive easily outweighs the buffmonsternerfbatposse and naysayingtoxicthrowers.
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Post by piginapoke on Apr 15, 2017 3:49:20 GMT -5
I voted I'm new and where are the bathrooms because when I walked in I nearly wet my pants seeing the accusations of bailing, throwing games the anger on the forums, people wanting to quit the game, people having melt-downs, people accusing others of molesting dead farm animals, people wanting to leave the forums in huff. This kind of drama you see on Dallas or Dynasty not on a game forum! Some people should get a grip on their sanity before it leaves them.
You know, in retrospect, the molesting of farm animals, I think that was another forum.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Apr 15, 2017 5:11:55 GMT -5
>So enough from me, what are your thoughts?
Yes, the forum had become more negative.
Whose fault is that?
Pixonic.
Would the forum have become more negative without the abysmal changes Pixonic made?
No.
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Post by Russel on Apr 15, 2017 8:27:38 GMT -5
Pixonic has other games in the works, what amount of resources are being invested in these is hard to determine 4. As someone who is technical, the number of developers they claim to have and the progress being made aren't lining up. Pixonic at one point maintained their own forums. These were "shut down" because a replacement was in the works. The thread announcing the closing of them is a microcosm of the issues were seeing today 5. A promise of something better, a plea for Pix to respond, a complaint that Facebook is filled with ?poo-poo?posts (I'll let the filter have that one). Sorry to cut your post. I just have two things to add: 1) They might be using some outsourcing to do more work with limited employee. 2) The forum was closed NOT due to being "not good enough". Those guys definitely want to make game more profitable, and moving from mostly non-paying ex-USSR market to Western\Asian market, where all the paying customers are, is a right move to make. However, it is VERY hard to change your image, so hard that it's easier to create one. So guys make the following: - Abandon Russian VK.COM page, moved to Facebook
- Ditched old name "Walking War Robots", make up new one "War Robots"
- Ditched old forum, because most of the visitors were from Russia, and they were being associated with ex-USSR by Google\Yahoo and other internet stuff (proof here www.similarweb.com/website/Walking War Robots.mobi#overview)
- Compare old forum's visitors to this one:
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Post by zer00eyz on Apr 15, 2017 11:12:54 GMT -5
Pixonic has other games in the works, what amount of resources are being invested in these is hard to determine 4. As someone who is technical, the number of developers they claim to have and the progress being made aren't lining up. Pixonic at one point maintained their own forums. These were "shut down" because a replacement was in the works. The thread announcing the closing of them is a microcosm of the issues were seeing today 5. A promise of something better, a plea for Pix to respond, a complaint that Facebook is filled with ?poo-poo?posts (I'll let the filter have that one). Sorry to cut your post. I just have two things to add: 1) They might be using some outsourcing to do more work with limited employee. 2) The forum was closed NOT due to being "not good enough". Those guys definitely want to make game more profitable, and moving from mostly non-paying ex-USSR market to Western\Asian market, where all the paying customers are, is a right move to make. However, it is VERY hard to change your image, so hard that it's easier to create one. So guys make the following: - Abandon Russian VK.COM page, moved to Facebook
- Ditched old name "Walking War Robots", make up new one "War Robots"
- Ditched old forum, because most of the visitors were from Russia, and they were being associated with ex-USSR by Google\Yahoo and other internet stuff (proof here www.similarweb.com/website/Walking War Robots.mobi#overview)
- Compare old forum's visitors to this one:
I'm curious now where all the asian players congregate, and what they have to say.
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Post by llama4president on Apr 15, 2017 11:24:54 GMT -5
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Post by Russel on Apr 15, 2017 11:42:18 GMT -5
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Post by Russel on Apr 15, 2017 11:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by boomsplat on Apr 15, 2017 12:00:53 GMT -5
I voted I'm new and where are the bathrooms because when I walked in I nearly wet my pants seeing the accusations of bailing, throwing games the anger on the forums, people wanting to quit the game, people having melt-downs, people accusing others of molesting dead farm animals, people wanting to leave the forums in huff. This kind of drama you see on Dallas or Dynasty not on a game forum! Some people should get a grip on their sanity before it leaves them. You know, in retrospect, the molesting of farm animals, I think that was another forum. Hmm...please don't start a poll on what dead farm animals you like....lol. good perspective from a new forum member - thank you for sharing it. I will try to be sunnier in my online disposition as you are right - you can get pretty desensitized quickly on these forums.
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Apr 16, 2017 2:55:02 GMT -5
I vote Russel for president! WELL done and great info!
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Post by Russel on Apr 16, 2017 3:48:41 GMT -5
I vote Russel for president! WELL done and great info! I played Gepard on test server yesterday, it was the best testserver, period! And my GEKKO Gepard was killing everybody, even the blue ones, murdered those beacons! Very good bot! But then Griffin blowed my Gepard to pieces! Sad! You people should not allow Griffins to destroy Gepards with a rocket! We should make a law that does not allow Griffins to just shoot rockets at a Gepard! We would build faster Gepard, and jumping, too! And with shield, physical shield, biggest of any shield out there! And with our technology we will make built-in Ancile shield, too! Look at the Japanese, they can build Fujin with three slots and a shield! We would make Gepard with a better shield! You know what? Forget the shield! We will make Gepard with two shield! The best Ancile shield there is! And he would be swapping weapons like a Jesse, too! Vote for me, and together we can make our Gold Gepard great again!
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Post by Ferro Magnus on Apr 16, 2017 10:53:54 GMT -5
I'm among the most negatively minded people I know, so negativity doesn't bother me much at all, that said, I haven't really noticed any noticeable chance in the forums for the worse.
Is it wrong of me to be quick to anger with people who are slow to understand a simple concept? Because comments I made in my first post on the forums would surely have landed me a ban already, and it was like, a week ago? Just slightly concerned that a mod or admin that hasn't seen it, will smite me...
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Post by piginapoke on Apr 17, 2017 10:59:02 GMT -5
I'm among the most negatively minded people I know, so negativity doesn't bother me much at all, that said, I haven't really noticed any noticeable chance in the forums for the worse. Is it wrong of me to be quick to anger with people who are slow to understand a simple concept? Because comments I made in my first post on the forums would surely have landed me a ban already, and it was like, a week ago? Just slightly concerned that a mod or admin that hasn't seen it, will smite me... Anger and negativity are two different concepts. I do not think myself as a negative person but I have a very short temper. Having said that I cannot envisage you being a patiern teacher "erm Sir, I cannot understand the concept of common multipliers" *teacher pulls out two Tridents from the drawer" "BURN FREAK-O!"
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Post by mijapi300 on Apr 17, 2017 11:13:16 GMT -5
I believe there is a lot of unwarranted negativity on the forums lately. My suggestion would be getting strict about the complaining again, similar to the MM threads. There are tons of threads of people complaining about the leavers queue, and these should be moved to rants. Or maybe have ONE official thread to discuss the leavers queue in the general discussion as there was with the MM complaints.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 17, 2017 11:15:27 GMT -5
I have to say, while overall it is more negative than it was pre-MM change, making the Rants have their own section helped. I have played a part in some of the negative threads, arguing when it was pointless, etc... and what I have decided to do is to try and fixate on the advice questions...
Things like, "which is better?" or "should I buy this..?" or "help my hangar!," etc. If I do comment on a thread that has nothing but disgruntlement in it, I have decided to not get into peeing contests... seems to be helping my overall enjoyment of the forum again.
We are the ones that determine how negative or positive it is. If we can, us forum regulars should try to limit the 「female dog」ing to rants and not throw in random complaints when it is an advice thread or something similar.
I.E., Thread question = "What rocket should I get?" First post: "Orkans, but really you should just quit the game because Pixo is greedy and only wants your money and hates all the players and you most of all... I know this because I am omniscient, and I am an expert in all games and markets and am mad because I can't win in my Cossack with Level 1 ECU."
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 17, 2017 11:36:58 GMT -5
So enough from me, what are your thoughts? Many players are becoming frustrated and bitter towards the game, and that is felt in the forum, if you ask me.
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Post by nastybreath on Apr 17, 2017 14:28:20 GMT -5
go ahead and ban again if you feel it's justified.
ill emphasize it again.
negative posts about the game will appear more than positive. it's the nature of gaming forums.
If you can't handle negativity, well tough.
unless it's trolling or personal attacks, it's not a big deal.
what is a big deal is getting permaban for pointing out the facts of human behavior with posting on forums.
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Post by mijapi300 on Apr 17, 2017 14:37:09 GMT -5
go ahead and ban again if you feel it's justified. ill emphasize it again. negative posts about the game will appear more than positive. it's the nature of gaming forums. If you can't handle negativity, well tough. unless it's trolling or personal attacks, it's not a big deal. what is a big deal is getting permaban for pointing out the facts of human behavior with posting on forums. While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, why the need to point it out constantly? I can understand a single instance if you're using it as evidence for a point you're making. But it's a redundant fact in most scenarios.
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Post by nastybreath on Apr 17, 2017 14:39:31 GMT -5
I think he was good right up to.... princess... Moding a board must feel like a daily kick in balls. It is, and I say this with every ounce of occasionally-exasperated sincerity, a labor of love for this community. the suck it up princess was a general statement. he took it as a personal jab at him. if mods bother reading the posts i make they have been all on topic, no trolling, and the only personal attacks made were upon myself in rants to make people smile and laugh. so my history of behavior is civil, silly, and on topic. I believe you knee jerk reacted to a "phrase" that pretty much says wear some thicker skin.
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Post by nastybreath on Apr 17, 2017 14:41:25 GMT -5
go ahead and ban again if you feel it's justified. ill emphasize it again. negative posts about the game will appear more than positive. it's the nature of gaming forums. If you can't handle negativity, well tough. unless it's trolling or personal attacks, it's not a big deal. what is a big deal is getting permaban for pointing out the facts of human behavior with posting on forums. While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, why the need to point it out constantly? I can understand a single instance if you're using it as evidence for a point you're making. But it's a redundant fact in most scenarios. ive only said that once on this forums. On this post. And I just explained it was a general statement vs. a personal jab at the person quoted.
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Post by mijapi300 on Apr 17, 2017 14:51:53 GMT -5
While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, why the need to point it out constantly? I can understand a single instance if you're using it as evidence for a point you're making. But it's a redundant fact in most scenarios. ive only said that once on this forums. On this post. And I just explained it was a general statement vs. a personal jab at the person quoted. And you were permanently banned for that?
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Post by nastybreath on Apr 17, 2017 14:55:50 GMT -5
ive only said that once on this forums. On this post. And I just explained it was a general statement vs. a personal jab at the person quoted. And you were permanently banned for that? yeah, I was permabanned for making a general phrase. I also believe that the perception of what I wrote may have been seen as a personal jab upon Dredd. it wasn't, but he reacted like it was. he misunderstood, it's up to him now to unban that i. p. 6k people use it from my work place, so 6k people are pretty much banned from the work site pc to pro board now.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Apr 17, 2017 14:58:33 GMT -5
And you were permanently banned for that? yeah, I was permabanned for making a general phrase. I also believe that the perception of what I wrote may have been seen as a personal jab upon Dredd. it wasn't, but he reacted like it was. he misunderstood, it's up to him now to unban that i. p. 6k people use it from my work place, so 6k people are pretty much banned from the work site pc to pro board now. I'm sure your IT dept./Boss isn't upset you guys can't post on forums using the company equipment
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 17, 2017 15:06:45 GMT -5
go ahead and ban again if you feel it's justified. Done.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 17, 2017 15:42:41 GMT -5
go ahead and ban again if you feel it's justified. Done. The hand of the Judge has banged the Gavel of Forum Law... once again. I have to say, that even in something that seems like not a big deal on the surface, I get why you did it... and I MUST point out that forums are NOT free speech zones. They are ran by people who have a general idea of what they want it to include and not include. Compared to many of the ones that I frequented in the past, this one is VERY lenient when it comes to both arguing and disagreeing with admins and mods. I have been on them where the mere hint of a different train of thought other than the accepted party line gets you permabanned. This site has walked a delicate line between all-inclusive and detrimental, and has stayed as far as they can on the all-inclusive side while keeping the forums on their intended path. When the board has strayed from that path, they made the right moves to bring it back, from all I can see. As far as negativity being part of life... fine, we know that. Yes, let's toughen up and handle things without offense as much as we can in real life. But that doesn't mean that they forum should cater to it, nor should it feed it. There are places for the negativity, so be negative there. Otherwise, be the information providers and seekers that are what the members are supposed to be here. Debate is great. But getting riled up over someone that just doesn't see it your way is pointless. I have been both wrong, and the wronged, and can tell you that I am better as a whole, when I don't let my crank get yanked. IMO, YMMV
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Apr 17, 2017 15:49:51 GMT -5
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Post by pewpew on Apr 17, 2017 17:02:09 GMT -5
To me, the forum has gotten more negative, but that is because there is a lot more to complain about. I am not sure why there needs to be a change to the rules if the playerbase as a whole has a more negative view of the game.
I think it is better that way in case Pix reads any part of the forums- that a clear message is being sent. I have definitely joined the ranks of bitter long term players because in my eyes the new MM was not any improvement. The fact that they continue blindly pushing on is saddening.
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 17, 2017 17:12:20 GMT -5
To me, the forum has gotten more negative, but that is because there is a lot more to complain about. I am not sure why there needs to be a change to the rules if the playerbase as a whole has a more negative view of the game. While I understand the point you're making, a fair proportion of people- who may not be happy with the game themselves- don't find the environment attractive. There are a number of high-quality contributors who have all but disappeared. I can't say with certainty that it's because of negativity. It could be a lot of different reasons, but I know the number who have diminished interest due to the tone of the forum is a nonzero number. I know that firsthand. What we're trying to avoid is a sort of Left Behind scenario where some of the most insightful and helpful posters- the ones that helped make this place awesome to being with- all disappear, leaving the trolls and sh1+posters who did their best (deliberately or otherwise) to tank the place are all that remain. I believe- firmly- that this Forum serves as an important community hub in the game. Not just a hub, but a beacon, where people can get friendly advice and guidance. If people want a toilet, they can find it on Facebook. We are intent on allowing the best of this place to be preserved, balanced with the desire to give as much latitude and leeway to posters as we possibly can. When those things come into conflict, we side with the former and not the latter. To date we have not banned almost anyone that has made a solid and positive contribution to this Forum. Most would be lucky if anyone even remembered their names in 90 days.
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