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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 14, 2017 14:12:18 GMT -5
loren And yeah, I would have let either "suck it up buttercup" or "princess" slide, but not both. Someone posting content like that in a thread like this is either brave, reckless, or an idiot. And in the interests of transparency, this isn't the first concern we've had with him. When you stand out like that within the first 20 posts, it's pretty safe to say the next 200 won't be a whole lot different. Might as well get it over with now and spare the hassle.
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Apr 14, 2017 14:20:29 GMT -5
Dredd77 Yea, like I mentioned there is a time and place for everything. I suppose my post was off the hook being in the "Pet Peeves" thread. That's a bit different than this thread!
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Post by MaximusClash on Apr 14, 2017 14:32:42 GMT -5
I am still pretty new to the forum and don't find it to be any more negative than any other forum I have been involved in. There are certainly some valid points that may involve the expression of a negative opinion, but being constructive in establishing a solution is always more beneficial than toxic. I think most of us are mature enough to recognize the postings (ravings) of a toxic person and the moderators have been quite proficient in keeping those to a minimum. As a noob kid on the block, that is greatly appreciated.
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Apr 14, 2017 14:38:22 GMT -5
Establishing a high bar early on as newer contributors find the forum will help in the long run. I was a lurker long before I started posting so I could get the "vibe" of the culture here. Keeping things civil went a long way for me.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Apr 14, 2017 14:42:42 GMT -5
wow
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 14, 2017 14:57:30 GMT -5
Deleted 21 quote spams and banned "Sam Saad."
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Post by shaolinrogue on Apr 14, 2017 15:05:08 GMT -5
How long do you think it will take him to make a new gmail address/forum account?
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Apr 14, 2017 15:13:09 GMT -5
How long do you think it will take him to make a new gmail address/forum account? Someone should start a Poll.
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Post by Dredd77 on Apr 14, 2017 15:16:21 GMT -5
How long do you think it will take him to make a new gmail address/forum account? With his every effort my victory over him grows more complete.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Apr 14, 2017 15:18:38 GMT -5
How long do you think it will take him to make a new gmail address/forum account? Someone should start a Poll. CREEPYPETS
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Post by shaolinrogue on Apr 14, 2017 15:19:40 GMT -5
How long do you think it will take him to make a new gmail address/forum account? With his every effort my victory over him grows more complete. Sometimes it's fun & usually satisfying isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 15:44:49 GMT -5
Well, the forum definitely doesn't feel as it used to. I feel as though the nature of the game and the wiki's involvement with pix contributes to it greatly.
Formerly, the folks that were in the forums had to look, which meant most were looking for input, or community in general. Now, we're hotlinked into the game, and on their FB, the latter being what a few of us would joke about the amount of vitriol running through it.
The nature of the game has changed a lot, there is little room for guesswork, as well as less wiggle room for discussions about the game itself. Most strategy talk happens in a clan, not on the forums. With the advent of the Brit bots, what's new is either power creeped to be the new meta. And the meta is either what's new, buffed, or the same setups that have been unquestionably viable for over a year.
Dissatisfied extroverts are heard the most, and many agree Pix has been taking steps in the wrong direction. What happens next in the forums will likely not phase Pix a bit on what they decide to do next.
Kudos to all of the mods and admins for all of the free work they put in.
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Post by Thumpmonkey1 on Apr 14, 2017 15:47:33 GMT -5
Establishing a high bar early on as newer contributors find the forum will help in the long run. I was a lurker long before I started posting so I could get the "vibe" of the culture here. Keeping things civil went a long way for me. Yep - agree. Only other forum I'm involved in is for a sim baseball site, and the off topic board is completely wide open - really only repeated blatant racism will get you even a timeout, and only 4-5 people actually banned in the last 10 years. Every single thread there would be an infraction here, so lurking for a few weeks gave me a feel for what was kosher, and setting the bar high is the way to go with this place.
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Post by War Child on Apr 14, 2017 15:49:38 GMT -5
Ever since the league system arrived,I noticed a skyrocketing of negativity.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Apr 14, 2017 15:52:55 GMT -5
I think the influx of new forum members has exacerbated things somewhat, making negativity appear more prevalent. The reason I say this is that I see more new threads kvetching about the MM and leagues, including complaints many of us (myself included) had when it was first dumped on us. So, the newer users are just kinda playing catch-up, but rehashing gripes that have been around for a few months now. They're making their feelings known -- as is their right -- but just picking at old sore spots & reopening scabs that otherwise should've healed by now.
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Post by boomsplat on Apr 14, 2017 16:00:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the greater negativity is because the hoped for changes only spawned greater problems. With every tweak, the ability to exploit and make the game worse for a broader range of folks is the result. I'm one of those Candy Crush trolls - I've advanced a lot farther in Candy Crush than I have in War Robots because I actually have a chance in CC - so CC is actually getting some cash from me...someday I'll make it to Masters in War Robots.
The weird thing is the new leagues and MM is like A Tale of Two Cities for me: some of the best matches I've had and some of the worst matches I've had. So I'm appreciative of the direction Pixo is trying to take the game, but I'm disgusted by their plodding nature in shutting down obvious loopholes that are causing so much instability like the tankers crushing level 2-25 players. So that has definitely made me more negative and it reflects in my posts.
And as far as the new forum rules, common sense applies. I've had my 1 strike and I knew I was going to get it - I called someone a moron in a post because the game negativity spilled over into my forum posts - I didn't care that I could get booted from the forum. I've snapped out of that funk and won't repeat it....but if you use common sense, then you'll stay out of trouble. Unsure why people need examples of common sense....
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Post by Thunderkiss on Apr 14, 2017 16:02:19 GMT -5
I think it's only moderately more negative, but still more negative than late last year. Matchmaker has been a colossal 「dookie」show and it hasn't gotten better. Before, with clubbing, you could out level the clubbers and on your merry way. Now, either you destroy or get destroyed, with very little middle ground for good matches. Weeks and weeks of nonstop crap takes its toll, aND people have been much more vocal about ditching one 「dookie」show system for another.
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Post by ewing411 on Apr 14, 2017 16:18:00 GMT -5
not too different than the clubbing days, just different topics. good points of view all around. there's some subtle digs here and there between members, but nothing too personal. Since most of us had missed out or in my case just clawed through Seal Clubbing the entire topic was acedemic. We were able to peacefully sit there drinking our coffe/tea while outside herds of Gepards were busy kicking n00b Cossacks in the crotch and doing plasma light shows around burning starter Bots. You have a good point mechtout. Some people have never had to or needed to take things too seriously. Certainly a good model for maintaining mental health.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 16:21:52 GMT -5
The poll seems to tacitly assume negativity in and of itself is bad with no consideration for why things might be more negative and whether or not it is justified. There is a difference between righteous anger and being hangry. Jesus didn't flip over the money changers' tables because he wanted a snickers bar.
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Post by lumpybump on Apr 14, 2017 16:25:46 GMT -5
I'm new here but find the moderation fine to excellent and the negativity tolerable and being dealt with. Every forum has it's complainers. It's the stupid stuff like what CREEPYPETS does that gets me riled. I voted for "Where are the bathrooms?" or "Where is the bathroom?"... sorry grammar police. I recently created a post that was inappropriate in that it could be taken to advocate unacceptable behavior as deemed by the forum and don't feel wronged in anyway that it was taken down. It was my fault in that I should have guessed that right off. I'm surprised though that my profanity filter dodging got no mention but policing each and every thing would probably require a salary increase for the mods . Also I pretty much only created an account because of people like DirtyLikaRat® and others who are to some inappropriate but to me the highpoint of my day some days. Compared to other forums I've been part of I find choice to control profanity odd as anyone old enough to be reading this forum will not be encountering anything new. Excessive use of profanity is a good indicator that the poster has intellectual limitations and almost always decreases the strength of their argument. On the other hand the Beautiful Girls thread has NSFW pictures in it but is still okay somehow. I have a nine year old so that's my filter. Sorry this was all very tangential to the poll but it was what was on my mind.
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Post by ionflow on Apr 14, 2017 17:05:35 GMT -5
Dredd77 reddit has a euphamism for s***posts, "low effort post" It's not as colorful, but I think it pretty accurate.
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Apr 14, 2017 17:08:34 GMT -5
I think it has gotten a lot more negative. I think there are three factors.
1) Tanking is a far more widespread problem than clubbing because it affects more matches than just the clubbing ones. From my recollection, clubbing in the old MM would affect about 1 in 5 games in Bronze or Low Silver. It would be relatively rare starting in High Silver. Many Mag-Gep clubbers could be overcome with a coordinated team or by purchasing a Gepard. Now, it's not just the clubbers going up, it's the tankers going down, and they affect the majority of matches. And there is nothing a new player can buy that will counter a Level 12 Tarancilot or being down a couple of players on their team.
2) This Forum got advertised in the game itself. Before, I think we had a pretty tightly-knit community, and the importance of moderation is less because people care more about their reputation with the folks they've gotten to know pretty well over time. Also, the above changes in the game seem to have driven away a fair number of folks who have been here for a while. With a lot of growth and a loss of many of the original core, you're just going to get a lower signal-to-noise ratio.
3) I've gotten a lot more negative about the game, and I used to be a nice bright happy raybeam of sunshi... okay, no. I'm just being delusional there.
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Post by loren on Apr 14, 2017 17:52:43 GMT -5
You just couldn't help yourself, you had to go there... lol
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Post by ewing411 on Apr 14, 2017 17:52:44 GMT -5
We're not talking about your good-faith actors here. Nor is negativity the flagging factor- you can have negative opinions on things and still express them maturely. The more operative word here is "disruptive" posters looking to wind people up and get attention, insult and argument right from the start.
We've already punted a few morons, and will continue to be vigilant. We're not just neutral, impassive arbiters of the law here, like you we care about this community and want it to be the best it can be. <snip> I'm really happy to see that even what can be counted as a "no duh" is still conisdered before implementation. In this impersonal vast virtual world called the internet swiftky wacking people whose only intent was trouble in the first place is a survival mechanism. The only way this can go slippery-slope is if it shifts from protecting-the-community into crafting-the-perfect-community. Things could have moved that way during the first flooding of mm-posts. Thankfully that push for heavier censorship didn't make it. As far as moderation goes I've always appreciated yours and shutupandsmokemyweed. Actions were done in a disclosed and apparent manner, no glory-mongering, and not heavy handed unlike your namesake. --- With regards to toxicity. It definelty went up when behind the scenes changes to matchmaking was being done. I just wish we had the user statistics from the height of Seal Clubbing to now. There's this itch to know how things may have changed from that short pre-Leagues gap to now. Then compare that to last year. When Dust 514 (a FPS with a timer skill system) was having balancing difficulties the stresses started spilling out into the forums. It got to a point where it was a mix of trolling and meta-manipulation. In that regard we are living in a utopia paradise. I called out a "thread going toxic" when someone posted their concern about being targeted by the queing system because they didn't like ONE MAP and then being mobbed as if they were trying to manipulate their score. That they are like Seal-Clubbers/Active-Tankers and needed to be stoned. It really blew me away because up until then I hadn't seen someone (who wasn't being hostile) get treated that way out of the blue. It would be mighty nice if someone could get the Devs to answer, "what do you consider cheating?" Being concerned and taking action sounds great as a stump speech but as you were talking about the law of unintended consequences it can end up elsewhere entirely.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Apr 14, 2017 17:55:58 GMT -5
You just couldn't help yourself, you had to go there... lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 18:32:43 GMT -5
I believe the state of the board is directly the result of PIXs game developmental evolution and approach. The forum is more negative, and I've made it more negative. I wanted as many of you as possible to be as angry as I was (I had a setback with the cheesewhiz again, but I'm feeling better now ). So I crapped all over stuff. Not cool, but thats why they pay me the big bucks to topple governments! The mods and admins could, and maybe should have kicked my 6 big time. That's not to say that the water I am in right now is luke warm, but.......I've more than earned where I am right now. So, no bridge burning, scorched earth policies, carpet bombing, burning bags of dog dung on peoples threads or posts, etc. Try not to be stupid, nasty, and immature. Guess you will know how I'm doin on that stuff by my posts. Now, the last thing I have to say is, "SHUT UP AND PLAY"! .....it used to work, maybe it will again.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Apr 14, 2017 19:58:23 GMT -5
People don't seem to be any more contrary and argumentative than before.
But there does seem to be a bit more tendency toward frustration and bitterness (guess that qualifies as negativity) that we seem to take out on each other.
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Apr 14, 2017 22:38:26 GMT -5
Mmmmm hmmmmmm. Yall knowin I'm gonna chime in ... Just waitin... So here's La Ratta's 2 cents. This forum is created for a game. As serious as some folks take it... As much time as some folks invest in it... WAR ROBOTS is a game. No different then Monopoly.. Or pocket pool... Or "Spanky Time For Uncle Dirty" (yall play that too right?) That being said... Don't think for a second that anytime I'm crackin on somebody... Posting pictures of me riding a donkey with a case of happy time in his No No Zone, or telling some dude to give himself a prostate exam with his Trebuchet, that there is any kind of actual seriousness or maliciousness, or any of the other words that end in "ness" that indicate a negative or hurtful posturing on my end. Most of us are men.. Or boys... Or have male reproductive organs anyways... And it's what we do when were involved in a competitive activity. It's just nature. We're programmed that way. I bet ya every one of the beers I have in my fridge right now, 10,000 years ago when Glug Glug and Atook were playin the Neanderthal version Basketball, Atook was telling Glug Glug to "SUCK IT BIYATCH", everytime he dunked on his ?bum-bum? from the free throw line. Man up, my children... Damn this country, we as a species in general, have just gotten soft. Political correctness, "safe, stress free zones on college campuses, men dressed as women peeing in the same bathrooms as my daughters!?!?! You get your ?bum-bum? shot you do that in Suwannee County, son." Safe Zones" at colleges!?!?! My Grandfather lies about his age and was fighting the Japanese in the Pacific Theater when he was 16.... And folks today cryin cuz somebody used mean, hurtful, poopy language during a video game where grown men pretend to ne robots... Idk, I'm done... There it is... No wait I'm not done. I do recognize that there are definitely quite a few kids that play the game and visit this forum. And it's some folks stance that we should make sure and be careful not to use language or post pics or whatever that mind damage their developing fragile minds. Well, I'm a parent. A single parent three times over... All girls. And you think I'm not protective... I'm a monster when it comes to my kids and keeping their minds out the gutter. This is the Internet.. It's a cess pool. My kids don't have smartphones, and computers in their rooms, and unmonitered online social media accts. Are you guys just letting your kids run wild online? Yall don't watch Dateline? I'm assuming yall are active and with them when they're engaged in online activity right? If not your a complete idiot and your kids gonna probably end up addicted to monkey ?popcorn?, or chained to some freaks radiator in his basement wearing a dog collar. So if you are participating online with little Chucky, if you see a link that is obviously gonna get weird when ya click... Don't click. If you see a post from DLR, don't let little Chucky check that smack out. Cuz you know by now it's gonna be more than likely borderline offensive, lewd, or whatever. And as far as profanity.. There is NO profanity on this forum. Don't believe me.. Watch.. You mother ?firetruck?ing ?illegitimate child? ?bum-bum? hole ?hot stuff? ?female dog? ?firetruck? face.... See, no profanity... Or is firetruck a bad word now?
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Apr 14, 2017 22:50:12 GMT -5
Oh yea... The mods are all great guys. And doing a bam up job.. They obviously "get me" and know there is no evil intentions in my childish posting... All in good fun.
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Apr 14, 2017 22:53:37 GMT -5
I appreciate jokes and a little bit of banter here and there as long as it's all in good fun. It's all got a time and place! What I don't appreciate is when I start a serious thread and get BS responses in the form of memes, for example, which just take up SO much annoyingly extra space to try browse through. I don't have time for serious discussion when you've got to filter through the BS in order to find the goods. I'm thinking from an outsiders perspective. Someone who has no idea about the community but finds themselves here after a good search about some certain subject directs them to one of the forum threads. Once in that thread it should all be there in a relatively easy to browse form and not filled with what is lessentially spam. I'm sorry
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