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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 21, 2023 10:18:03 GMT -5
I was mistooken. Got an offer for Killy this morning. And I bit. Then I unwittingly completed the challenge that gives you an Arachnos. Had no idea that was coming or what I completed to finish it, but there it was in the tool shed. With an EC of 16 to fill. How convenient I had just enough credits to grab a pair of MR8’s, which as it turns out match up pretty nicely with the big octopus. Or quadropus, as the case may be. Shuffled around a few pilots, and all of a sudden I’ve got a SP of 1604. Surge, Panther, Arachnos and Killshot, I’d say this hangar is pretty well set for quite some time. With a Juggy in the wings, and a Ares within reach once I rebuild the credit stash. Now to set to acquiring the crap-ton of bp’s and a-coins to upgrade them all.
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Post by Koalabear on Apr 21, 2023 10:38:50 GMT -5
Not sure if you want to keep the Arachnos. I hated that mech. Maybe keep an eye out for Guardian. I feel that Guardian is absolutely necessary in today's meta to counter all the new OP stuff.
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Post by BigBear on Apr 21, 2023 10:46:07 GMT -5
Looking at my current bots and weapons from a year ago I have the following I think is best. Panther rank 28,Guardian rank 28,Killshot rank 20,Ares rank 20 and Zeph rank 20.
Weapons wise Railgun rank 16,RM' rank 12,Carbine 10 & 12,AT rank 10.
Looking at Koalas list I need to replace Ares and Zeph,as for weapons I'm pretty screwed as everything has moved on to bigger and better,add to that pilots and implants it seems a big uphill task.
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Post by salvia on Apr 21, 2023 11:49:50 GMT -5
Upgrading Arachnos would be a very bad idea, I'm afraid.
As for levelling other mechs, assuming you like Guardian, I'd prioritise him. That's because it'll bcome more expensive to upgrade 32EN mechs after the next update.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 21, 2023 14:09:06 GMT -5
Yeah, don’t have a guardian yet. I think I had an offer for one a day or two ago, but I passed because I’d already spent enough money on this mess.
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Post by S1E1 on Apr 21, 2023 15:51:08 GMT -5
I’m also seeing a lot of players with big XP, big SP, and horrible win percentages, like one guy with about 1300 games and only 100 wins - and still in Division 10. I guess tanking is still going stronger than ever? Tanking, in terms of dropping your hangar strength, is still alive well, mainly in tournament. The hangar below is the new tanker template, where folks don't even equip weapons but just use Slingshot and Killshot's abilities to rack up kills. Basically folks are avoiding the stronger AI, which means they can get more points per match in tournament and discourage anyone from chasing them to get first. When the new AI launched this was way more popular and people were doing it at various levels like 5k SP, 2k SP, etc. Now it seems to be on the wane, except for the unarmed under 1k SP hangar. I think what has been happening is that Plarium has been adjusting AI builds and smarts, etc to offset any advantage in terms of earning tourney points, and only at the newbie level of AI is the trick worthwhile. Not 100% sure on that though, but I have noticed that the top hangar AI actually tends to be a bit more preferable as it is all line of sight attackers than the under 9K configuration which has Helixes and also more EMR builds. FYI, this is also why you really don't want to invest in light mechs anymore. The AI will be soon be dishing out insta-kills all the time, to the point that only a Bastion can survive an initial hit. Health is increasingly irrelevant and it is all about firepower, so max 16EN mechs just can't do enough damage. Koalabear - MM does respond quite quickly to dropping SP. So yeah, you can equip lower tier gear and run fun matches in CPC, etc. But of course, you'll likely have maxed gear in the mix because you still need certain weapons like DLs, RGs, EMRs against humans and yours will be maxed. So it's pretty easy to find yourself seal clubbing. One interesting thing to note is while MM adjusts quickly in all AI-matches to going up or down in SP, there's a lag on human opponents and for like a dozen games after the change you get matched with ones nearer your old SP levels (and their AI). Here's the guy trying to tank against me. So far it's not working out for him. I got a new try-extra-hard policy of running these guys down when I encounter them in tournament. Masochistic of me I know but this stuff riles me up.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 21, 2023 16:45:29 GMT -5
I’m also seeing a lot of players with big XP, big SP, and horrible win percentages, like one guy with about 1300 games and only 100 wins - and still in Division 10. I guess tanking is still going stronger than ever? Tanking, in terms of dropping your hangar strength, is still alive well, mainly in tournament. The hangar below is the new tanker template, where folks don't even equip weapons but just use Slingshot and Killshot's abilities to rack up kills. Basically folks are avoiding the stronger AI, which means they can get more points per match in tournament and discourage anyone from chasing them to get first. When the new AI launched this was way more popular and people were doing it at various levels like 5k SP, 2k SP, etc. Now it seems to be on the wane, except for the unarmed under 1k SP hangar. I think what has been happening is that Plarium has been adjusting AI builds and smarts, etc to offset any advantage in terms of earning tourney points, and only at the newbie level of AI is the trick worthwhile. Not 100% sure on that though, but I have noticed that the top hangar AI actually tends to be a bit more preferable as it is all line of sight attackers than the under 9K configuration which has Helixes and also more EMR builds. FYI, this is also why you really don't want to invest in light mechs anymore. The AI will be soon be dishing out insta-kills all the time, to the point that only a Bastion can survive an initial hit. Health is increasingly irrelevant and it is all about firepower, so max 16EN mechs just can't do enough damage. Koalabear - MM does respond quite quickly to dropping SP. So yeah, you can equip lower tier gear and run fun matches in CPC, etc. But of course, you'll likely have maxed gear in the mix because you still need certain weapons like DLs, RGs, EMRs against humans and yours will be maxed. So it's pretty easy to find yourself seal clubbing. One interesting thing to note is while MM adjusts quickly in all AI-matches to going up or down in SP, there's a lag on human opponents and for like a dozen games after the change you get matched with ones nearer your old SP levels (and their AI). Here's the guy trying to tank against me. So far it's not working out for him. I got a new try-extra-hard policy of running these guys down when I encounter them in tournament. Masochistic of me I know but this stuff riles me up. Interesting. And yes, I’ve already come up against a few insta-kill AI’s. One of them ran a 3* Surge with 6* AT6’s for the whole game and destroyed pretty much everything with it. On Mesa Verde, he somehow made it up to the #2 beacon unscathed and fried everything that got near it. Reds quickly took all the beacons, and this AI just hung out around spawn frying everything as it dropped. It was not very pretty. If AT6’s are that bad, just how bad are AT12’s? I can see a lot of cussing running into a couple of those maxed out. Weird that it had a player# name, but it never showed up on my Recommended list, and I couldn’t see its hangar, so I’m assuming it had to be AI.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 21, 2023 16:48:31 GMT -5
Oh yeah, meant to ask - what you guys think about Ares? I was already working a Juggy, but he’s shelved for now for the Arachnos’ extra fire power. With grabbing an Ares, or just sit tight with what I have for now until one of these new sickobots comes available?
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Post by salvia on Apr 21, 2023 19:51:40 GMT -5
At a low level (and at a higher level to a smaller extent) Ares remains useful and doesn't cost that many resources.
Still, Bastion is the better Ares, so aim for it instead.
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Post by S1E1 on Apr 21, 2023 20:07:46 GMT -5
I second what salvia said. Ares is now like Slingshot and Bastion is the Killshot version. Redeemer is kinda like that for Shadow as well although there the ability is different.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 22, 2023 0:08:06 GMT -5
At a low level (and at a higher level to a smaller extent) Ares remains useful and doesn't cost that many resources. Still, Bastion is the better Ares, so aim for it instead. I second what salvia said. Ares is now like Slingshot and Bastion is the Killshot version. Redeemer is kinda like that for Shadow as well although there the ability is different. Thanks, guys - I’ll keep an eye out for a Bastion deal, and just hang onto what I’ve got until then.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 22, 2023 13:12:50 GMT -5
Great - I just got a Bastion offer - for $15.99 - but it’s only 3*, not 5* that’s normally shown. So, 12 EC instead of 18. Bite or wait? It’s the same EC as my Juggy (but ooh, a crapload more HP), but I have a nice fresh pair of RM8’s that will still be a costly set of mech upgrades away from seeing daylight. And $15.99 ain’t what I call cheap.
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Post by OU812? on Apr 22, 2023 13:26:10 GMT -5
Great - I just got a Bastion offer - for $15.99 - but it’s only 3*, not 5* that’s normally shown. So, 12 EC instead of 18. Bite or wait? It’s the same EC of my Juggy (but ooh, a crapload more HP), but I have a nice fresh pair of RM8’s that will still be a costly set of mech upgrades away from seeing daylight. And $15.99 ain’t what I call cheap. It seems the cost of everything worthwhile has gone up. 13.99-17.99 is the range of the upper meta mechs and weaponry. I finally decided to acquire my first EMRs (8s, btw) and 17.99 is the cheapest they’ve been offered to me. Too steep for my tastes.
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Post by reconnecting on Apr 22, 2023 14:07:24 GMT -5
Great - I just got a Bastion offer - for $15.99 - but it’s only 3*, not 5* that’s normally shown. So, 12 EC instead of 18. Bite or wait? It’s the same EC as my Juggy (but ooh, a crapload more HP), but I have a nice fresh pair of RM8’s that will still be a costly set of mech upgrades away from seeing daylight. And $15.99 ain’t what I call cheap. I would wait for a better deal. Under 10 bucks at least and 3 stars. Unless you have resources to upgrade it immediately then 2 stars at maybe 8.99 or less.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 22, 2023 14:18:32 GMT -5
Great - I just got a Bastion offer - for $15.99 - but it’s only 3*, not 5* that’s normally shown. So, 12 EC instead of 18. Bite or wait? It’s the same EC as my Juggy (but ooh, a crapload more HP), but I have a nice fresh pair of RM8’s that will still be a costly set of mech upgrades away from seeing daylight. And $15.99 ain’t what I call cheap. I would wait for a better deal. Under 10 bucks at least and 3 stars. Unless you have resources to upgrade it immediately then 2 stars at maybe 8.99 or less. I’m wondering if there will be a better deal. If history is any indicator, the farther up the ladder you go, the ‘good deals’ get fewer and farther between. I also have a flash deal hanging for for an Aegis for $8.99, but that’s not really much more mech than Juggy. Of course while pondering this move, I just got my arse handed to me by three pretty decent humans with better hangars, which doesn’t exactly put me in a mood to give these thieves any more money. I don’t know - I have another hour to make up my mind.
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Post by S1E1 on Apr 22, 2023 20:26:04 GMT -5
Danny Linguini - You've been on a buying spree so they're starting to jack up the prices on you. If you pause for a bit, better offers will start cropping up. Also be wary of the offers in that special event "Neon Shop" section they've tacked onto the Store (the 4th tab with a timer on it) as those offers are never sales. Real sales will have a pop-up window that annoyingly announces its presence (again and again and again...) Not sure what the timeline will be for prices going down, especially as you're a new player. But eventually it does. Doesn't mean you can't buy anything in the meantime either, just lower the spending overall.
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Post by BigBear on Apr 23, 2023 9:31:18 GMT -5
So what are the current good deals or deals to watch out for ?,I get the slash screen 500 A coins for £5.99 but there is another deal for 600 A coins and a chest etc for £4.99, is that the best for A coins. And I take it the £2.99 two star mechs and weapons are worthless for higher players.
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Post by reconnecting on Apr 23, 2023 12:45:25 GMT -5
So what are the current good deals or deals to watch out for ?,I get the slash screen 500 A coins for £5.99 but there is another deal for 600 A coins and a chest etc for £4.99, is that the best for A coins. And I take it the £2.99 two star mechs and weapons are worthless for higher players. I spend about 10 dollars on the 15th and last day of the month for $20 total. So I watch for deals like 1600 acoins for 9.99 or close to it. 800 acoins for 4.99 USD is good too. Sometimes there's a bigger deal with like 1500 acoins or so with 100k+ credits, crate rush keys and playing keys for 9.99 and I grab that.
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Post by BigBear on Apr 23, 2023 16:51:56 GMT -5
Cool I will hold off and wait for bigger A coin deals,god knows I need them to get this ageing hanger battle ready.
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Post by Koalabear on Apr 24, 2023 7:45:07 GMT -5
Apparently, all gear will be available for in game resources with the new Progress Path, so that means the Bastion should be available in the R5 version that is typically offered with in game resources. Problem is, I don't know how many people will have access to it right away with the new Tier system that is coming, which will force people to get and upgrade gear they don't want. I picked up a R3 Bastion couple of months ago and haven't used it yet as I've been waiting for blueprints and have been focused on my Gatecrasher instead.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 27, 2023 8:50:08 GMT -5
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Post by salvia on Apr 27, 2023 9:12:48 GMT -5
I imagine that someone, somewhere, actually bought such a "special offer" for the price of a proper AAA game... instead of simply accumulating credits 😐
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Post by Koalabear on Apr 27, 2023 12:07:46 GMT -5
With the new Progress Path looming and the promise that everything will be available for in-game resources, maybe don't pull the trigger on anything that expensive. Depends on what your spending limit is of course.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 27, 2023 12:47:27 GMT -5
With the new Progress Path looming and the promise that everything will be available for in-game resources, maybe don't pull the trigger on anything that expensive. Depends on what your spending limit is of course. Nope, never dumping anything close to that kinda coin. I’ll grind for the credits for as long as I need to - I just gotta hold off on upgrades for the next few weeks. I have just over 300k now, so only 500k more to go. Interesting - now they have a DL16 for $13.99 in the ripoff neon shop. Nah, still not worth it.
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Post by BigBear on Apr 27, 2023 13:10:22 GMT -5
Don't be spending all your money in this game,save some for the new mech game coming down the pipe,it's looking good and won't be long till it moves from alpha testing to beta 😉
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Post by Koalabear on Apr 27, 2023 13:20:53 GMT -5
Don't be spending all your money in this game,save some for the new mech game coming down the pipe,it's looking good and won't be long till it moves from alpha testing to beta 😉 For real or pulling our legs??
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 27, 2023 14:47:37 GMT -5
Don't be spending all your money in this game,save some for the new mech game coming down the pipe,it's looking good and won't be long till it moves from alpha testing to beta 😉 For real or pulling our legs?? Yeah, what new mech game is that? And who’s developing it, the Russians or the Chinese?
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Post by S1E1 on Apr 27, 2023 15:24:02 GMT -5
You're talking about Torn, right? There's a Google Doc form to apply to play now. You need to be in Discord to apply though:
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Post by Danny Linguini on Apr 27, 2023 20:18:24 GMT -5
Looks cool … but then they all look cool when they’re in development. Pretty nice looking death explosions, though.
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Post by Koalabear on Apr 27, 2023 21:01:06 GMT -5
I'm digging it! Mech Arena killer!
I submitted my Discord name on the form so here's hoping I get a chance to test drive this!
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