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Post by Poopface on Mar 15, 2023 13:31:13 GMT -5
Like the namesake from Kelly's Heroes, the thread is about Oddball projects. It's dedicated to weird experiments people have to see if something works. I'm not talking milty72 's monthly kitchen sink approach to weaponry. This is more along the lines of, "I wonder how a Strider would do with railguns," "could I make a Hawk into a brawler?," or "what would a Nodens w/ Vajras and Nitro look like?" Rules of engagement:
* If you're going to copy something some Youtuber did, state who did it, link the video, and your league. * Likewise, if you're going to try something someone else also tried, link to their post so others can follow the history.
* Once you're done experimenting, please reply to your own OP with what your findings are. Unless you're going to do a single post to cover the premise and conclusions all-in-one.
* Please give your attempt a reasonable amount of tries not just a one-off.
* Also, please give it an honest attempt -- don't use 1/1 guns in Champ league and say, "this thing sucks." * Lastly, for tracking purposes please only use a single build per post.
I'll caption this like the old Boris & Natasha shows:
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Post by Poopface on Mar 15, 2023 13:56:43 GMT -5
A week or two ago, I decided to try out a Vader Hades again in Master 3. I'd won a few Spears from Leaderboards and wanted to see what I could try it in other than the Loki I'd already been using.
As you can see, I mounted a Viper to it. I wanted to have equal distances to the weaponry.
Obviously, the modules aren't leveled so my expectations were tempered.
Findings: * The Viper doesn't point/shoot like Spear so that's less than ideal. A more instantaneous firing mechanic (like Dragoon) would have been better.
* Despite a respectable if somewhat smaller health pool, it seems very squishy and slow in the current meta. It gets lit up easily by Seraphs, Bendies, Khepris, and Blindies, and a litany of other things.
* It's awful for pushing beacons. Too slow and fragile.
* In addition to my testing a week or so ago, I also used it the last few days for the current DSC leaderboard event. Kills were rare even when targeted on squishier targets.
Conclusions: I think that if it were to work, going long range is likely the best option for survivability. The gun would likely be near-useless, though.
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Post by Poopface on Mar 15, 2023 14:15:38 GMT -5
In addition to testing out the aforementioned Hades, I also tried out a Vortex Fafnir in Master 3.
My rationale was that since the 2/1 Vortex damage is approaching 2x the damage of my 2/12 Shocktrains, the single-target burst damage should be spectacular.
Findings: * Obviously, the Vortices are relatively under-leveled for Master 3.
* I ran into a lot of situations where they didn't seem to actually hit the target and they didn't clearly hit an obstacle. Lag?
* There isn't nearly enough loft to them so they hit a lot of obstacles even though I tried to use the Fafnir to get to elevation to better avoid walls and whatnot. * While I've been lit up by Fafnirs ingame and found some to be quite stout, my Fafnir was neither. I suspect at least some of that was due to pilot skills. That said, while I wasn't expecting a world-beater I thought it'd be at least somewhat better than this. They're also painfully slow.
* While I did get some kills, it was incredibly disappointing. Maybe things were better with the Shocktrains because they have an instantaneous action similar to that of the Spear vs the comparatively slow, arcing flight of the Vortex.
Conclusion: I'd like to give it another shot some other time after leveling the Fafnir more and the Vortices considerably more.
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Post by milty72 on Mar 17, 2023 5:17:13 GMT -5
I've been running this one for a few weeks.  In air you're generally invisible. So the weapons do their cool down and are ready for action when you hit the turf again. I've got all the road hoggy skills and it moves pretty quick in the air. So you can get in and get to a good spot to red zap after landing. Weapons target lock so you don't need to concreter so much on the aiming. Plus I love rescuing fellow blues. If only there was a new pilot like a Marie for it to heal the grey damage. Lastablility is still quite high though. |
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Mar 17, 2023 9:31:50 GMT -5
4 x Ardent Vipers on a 'Moth with Midea. I know it's obvious, but when you don't get swarmed by every meta bot out there it can bring on the melty-burny PAIN.
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Post by Poopface on Mar 17, 2023 9:37:59 GMT -5
I've been running this one for a few weeks. In air you're generally invisible. So the weapons do their cool down and are ready for action when you hit the turf again. I've got all the road hoggy skills and it moves pretty quick in the air. So you can get in and get to a good spot to red zap after landing. Weapons target lock so you don't need to concreter so much on the aiming. Plus I love rescuing fellow blues. If only there was a new pilot like a Marie for it to heal the grey damage. Lastablility is still quite high though. That's quite interesting. I have a Skydriver, but haven't ever played it. Of course, I'd need to get the laser weapons. And the pilot.
Still, nicely annoying.
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Post by Poopface on Mar 17, 2023 9:43:18 GMT -5
Following my thus-far-failed attempt at putting Vortices to use I decided to maybe take another whack at it from a different perspective. I bring you: One Ugly Mother It's still being leveled up so testing won't likely be any time sooner than a week at best. Everything is currently 1/5 and the pilot is only level 11. |
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Post by milty72 on Mar 17, 2023 15:35:49 GMT -5
I've been running this one for a few weeks. In air you're generally invisible. So the weapons do their cool down and are ready for action when you hit the turf again. I've got all the road hoggy skills and it moves pretty quick in the air. So you can get in and get to a good spot to red zap after landing. Weapons target lock so you don't need to concreter so much on the aiming. Plus I love rescuing fellow blues. If only there was a new pilot like a Marie for it to heal the grey damage. Lastablility is still quite high though. That's quite interesting. I have a Skydriver, but haven't ever played it. Of course, I'd need to get the laser weapons. And the pilot.
Still, nicely annoying.
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Post by Poopface on Mar 17, 2023 15:45:00 GMT -5
That's quite interesting. I have a Skydriver, but haven't ever played it. Of course, I'd need to get the laser weapons. And the pilot.
Still, nicely annoying.
Hussar, Marquess was my previous favourite build. I can see why you'd like that build and why the new one would be a good one. Your favorite? |
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Post by milty72 on Mar 17, 2023 16:47:52 GMT -5
Hussar, Marquess was my previous favourite build. I can see why you'd like that build and why the new one would be a good one. Your favorite? The new disco beams get more kills. When they fade out to singles just take to the sky for security and then you start looking for blues in need. So Disco Beams for my favourite. Healers are fun as they throw in that different dynamic. It's not just beacons. |
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Mar 18, 2023 23:08:55 GMT -5
Can i make a request for some to try an idea out? If someone has already got a levelled scorpion and toxin plus two venoms. I was wondering how good DOT could get with the scorpions built in weapon as well. I was think lock down ammo would be a must.  |
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Post by munkeeee on Mar 19, 2023 0:16:14 GMT -5
Not COMPLETELY sold on the color scheme…but this thing looks funky enough to make Oliver Kloesov cringe. But this is getting worked on while I build another volt for an old school sniper Rayker. Gauss is mk2+, and almost finished 1 Volt. but this setup, has a real old school vibe to me.  |
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Post by Poopface on Mar 19, 2023 5:37:58 GMT -5
I can see why you'd like that build and why the new one would be a good one. Your favorite? The new disco beams get more kills. When they fade out to singles just take to the sky for security and then you start looking for blues in need. So Disco Beams for my favourite. Healers are fun as they throw in that different dynamic. It's not just beacons. Unfortunately, I haven’t accumulated any of the Mediums. You did inspire me to try something else annoying, though.  Still very much in the works. |
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Post by Jeb on Mar 19, 2023 12:58:51 GMT -5
I don't think it's exactly an oddball but I won an Otto Pilot a few weeks ago and have assigned him to my sportscar Pursuer. I'm running either triple Hazards or a pair of 2.12 Magnums with an Ardent Spear on top. It's fun with the increased rate of fire from Otto and a Pursuer is just a ball to play anyway, especially with a Nitro module adding speed to the Road Hog skill.
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Post by Wolfblood7 on Mar 19, 2023 18:20:30 GMT -5
I've been running this one for a few weeks. In air you're generally invisible. So the weapons do their cool down and are ready for action when you hit the turf again. I've got all the road hoggy skills and it moves pretty quick in the air. So you can get in and get to a good spot to red zap after landing. Weapons target lock so you don't need to concreter so much on the aiming. Plus I love rescuing fellow blues. If only there was a new pilot like a Marie for it to heal the grey damage. Lastablility is still quite high though. I've tried that build, in Champion League (around 5200 cups) and have found it to be the opposite. Seraphs EVERYWHERE, easily getting me down to low health while I'm in flight. I've also noticed I can't even keep up with the faster meta bots of today, and my weapons don't seem to damage them enough to get regular kills. It could just be that I need better pilot skills, I went with whatever sounded good. Unfortunately there isn't one that makes you immune to Seraph beams. I don't want to commit to a new T4 pilot in case they do release a new Marie like pilot for it.  |
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Post by TerrorStorm on Mar 19, 2023 23:16:33 GMT -5
Can i make a request for some to try an idea out? If someone has already got a levelled scorpion and toxin plus two venoms. I was wondering how good DOT could get with the scorpions built in weapon as well. I was think lock down ammo would be a must. Definitely an A+ for Aesthetics. Looks poisonous! |
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Mar 20, 2023 23:19:27 GMT -5
Can i make a request for some to try an idea out? If someone has already got a levelled scorpion and toxin plus two venoms. I was wondering how good DOT could get with the scorpions built in weapon as well. I was think lock down ammo would be a must. Definitely an A+ for Aesthetics. Looks poisonous! I thought long and hard about sinking silver into these weapons and in the end I choose coronas and a stella halo. I read on the wiki, DOT does not get boosted by damage bonuses.  |
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Post by TerrorStorm on Mar 23, 2023 5:03:05 GMT -5
I've become form over function in this game. Bot has to look GOOD. If I'm going to get smoked by a swarm of Seraphs I'm at least going down in my best.  |
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Post by Poopface on Mar 27, 2023 15:16:00 GMT -5
Why do I suddenly want to try running Quad Coronas on a Ghost Typhon along with the Eddie Noll pilot?
Or Quad Sonics in the same manner?
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Post by Wolfblood7 on Mar 28, 2023 4:19:06 GMT -5
Why do I suddenly want to try running Quad Coronas on a Ghost Typhon along with the Eddie Noll pilot?
Or Quad Sonics in the same manner?
Because both would be devastating and would wreak havoc on the battlefield. In all seriousness Poopface, quad havocs is a build I run into all the time. And I take it the ghost skill is the one that makes the Typhon go at speedhacker speed, because if it is that's the one I see on shotgun Typhons. Mace is also a good build to run it on. Coronas would be good for burst damage, but you would need significant time to reload. |
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Post by Poopface on Mar 28, 2023 5:41:20 GMT -5
Why do I suddenly want to try running Quad Coronas on a Ghost Typhon along with the Eddie Noll pilot?
Or Quad Sonics in the same manner?
Because both would be devastating and would wreak havoc on the battlefield. In all seriousness Poopface, quad havocs is a build I run into all the time. And I take it the ghost skill is the one that makes the Typhon go at speedhacker speed, because if it is that's the one I see on shotgun Typhons. Mace is also a good build to run it on. Coronas would be good for burst damage, but you would need significant time to reload. I’ve wanted to build a Ghost Typhon for a while. Been working on other projects in the meantime, though. |
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Post by Poopface on Apr 3, 2023 8:18:03 GMT -5
Shotgun Havoc TyphonNot exactly revelatory, but I haven’t seen videos of anyone doing this since the drone rework or with the Eddie Noll pilot.    Notes1. The Noll pilot blows through the ammo mighty quickly. Pro#1: You can get the damage applied quickly then get to cover. Pro#2: You ca waste people before they react and/or get shots off. Con: If you miss or lag that hurts more. 2. While lockdown is pretty useless with this build, eventually I hope to level up the drone where the repair can help with damage boost. 3. Worth considering the use of Shieldbreaker active module as the first 2-3 shots are frequently wasted to take down somebody’s shields. Lack of healing, though.... 4. The damage is potent even with the guns being low/mid MK2 (and one not being SE). There are a number of mechs I’ve basically erased from recognizable and good accounts that just evaporated. 5. Might also be worth trying with Corona for more survivability. 6. I toyed around with Ghost and settled on Daredevil for more damage. I didn’t see the speed as being all that beneficial. 7. RE: pilots. When considering Eddie Noll vs River Chase for this, I evaluated the benefit of the Chase Blackout/damage bonus vs constant speed shooting of Noll. In the end, I decided that since Blackout often goes into shields (wasted) and often fights last longer than 5 sec, Noll’s constant might be the better option. I could see a very valid counter argument, though. I have both pilots and use both pilots. This was about focusing on shotguns so I leaned toward Noll. 8. I tried it with two RAs instead of the Fortifiers. For the mechs with Shieldbreaker the RAs didn’t keep me upright much longer than when I was using Fortifiers whereas using the Fortifiers help considerably vs the mechs not using Shieldbreaker. Thus: I use the Fortifiers here. Might be worth swapping out a Fortifier for a Thermonuclear Reactor to see how that does w/ the boosted base damage.
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Apr 7, 2023 0:15:29 GMT -5
I've just discovered fainters! I don't have a Mars so I struggled to find something to put these on. Until I made a purpose built range hanger. I never thought a ravana would be good at range. I've played 1 game with it so far and was pretty happy, I'll keep you posted.   |
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Apr 9, 2023 23:33:47 GMT -5
I've just discovered fainters! I don't have a Mars so I struggled to find something to put these on. Until I made a purpose built range hanger. I never thought a ravana would be good at range. I've played 1 game with it so far and was pretty happy, I'll keep you posted. This is a great build for shooting distracted titans and then when they point their titan weapons at me I transcend behind cover to reload. I haven't played a build that's been as rage inducing to the enemy for a long time. I think it's up there with a hydra leech! I use this bot to target titans after my DR bots have died and always laugh as players charge me down after they lose their titan only for me to kite them passed blue titans. And for some reason they totally ingore the blue titans to try to take me out, and I just slip away as a golden ghost, lol. Then my blue team mates dispatch them. 10/10 for fun, definitely keeping it in my ranged line up.  |
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Post by RedRaider on Apr 10, 2023 2:15:41 GMT -5
Why do I suddenly want to try running Quad Coronas on a Ghost Typhon along with the Eddie Noll pilot?
Or Quad Sonics in the same manner?
Because both would be devastating and would wreak havoc on the battlefield. In all seriousness Poopface , quad havocs is a build I run into all the time. And I take it the ghost skill is the one that makes the Typhon go at speedhacker speed, because if it is that's the one I see on shotgun Typhons. Mace is also a good build to run it on. Coronas would be good for burst damage, but you would need significant time to reload. Eddie is a shotgun pilot, no pun. Will he effect coronas? Def not sonics? |
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Post by fafnir7567 on Apr 12, 2023 22:28:15 GMT -5
Can i make a request for some to try an idea out? If someone has already got a levelled scorpion and toxin plus two venoms. I was wondering how good DOT could get with the scorpions built in weapon as well. I was think lock down ammo would be a must. I'm currently running this and I have been for a while now. It's ok, but sonics and shotguns are way better and trying to get through aegis shields is near impossible. To try to increase the damage output, I used Midea Nerium to try to increase the damage output, but I don't think it's enough to keep up with the current meta |
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Post by Poopface on Apr 12, 2023 22:58:38 GMT -5
Because both would be devastating and would wreak havoc on the battlefield. In all seriousness Poopface , quad havocs is a build I run into all the time. And I take it the ghost skill is the one that makes the Typhon go at speedhacker speed, because if it is that's the one I see on shotgun Typhons. Mace is also a good build to run it on. Coronas would be good for burst damage, but you would need significant time to reload. Eddie is a shotgun pilot, no pun. Will he effect coronas? Def not sonics? Sonics are considered shotguns. I just equipped Coronas to it to test. It doesn’t yell at me that the guns aren’t affected by Noll unlike if I equipped Scorchers, for example. |
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Post by Poopface on Apr 13, 2023 22:43:52 GMT -5
God forgive me: I’m building a Butch. 🤦♂️
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Post by munkeeee on Apr 15, 2023 17:22:35 GMT -5
Do I look at the left eye? The right eye? The one in the middle?!? LOOK AT ME WHEN IM TALKING TO YOU!!!  |
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Post by Poopface on Apr 15, 2023 18:56:51 GMT -5
Do I look at the left eye? The right eye? The one in the middle?!? LOOK AT ME WHEN IM TALKING TO YOU!!! Tried it yet? |
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