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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Jan 18, 2023 6:37:01 GMT -5
Oliver Kloesov A skilled Loki driver will pay attention to not only what is happening with beacons, but what is happening in combat, and rather than merely lock down a beacon or steal more beacons, they will utilize their stealth advantage to also assist via assassin/ambusher role when it is clearly needed. If they dont also utilize the assassin role where needed, then yes, the team is one man down.
There is a role for Loki as a troll: to get reds to follow it into foreign land and into the guns of waiting blues.
Or other, strategically useless locations. (Insert image of giggling troll flying a kite)
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 18, 2023 10:53:02 GMT -5
Hey! I could use your inputs. I've definitely got the beacon holding down. And I'm fairly good at the timing of when to move on to the next beacon to grab/annoy the reds. But my Loki coach ( ѻﻭɼﻉ ) says I need to do more backstabbing at times so I've been working on that. The results are suspiciously hit and miss. Because it seems like my 3.1 sonics aren't hitting, at times not at all. It's quite odd. When a Kepri isn't looking, I get right on him, unstealth, wham wham wham, hit AH, wham wham, re-stealth and the damage is totally meh. Of course it could be that he hit AH as well but it seems to happen a lot, and not just with Khepris. Anyway food for thought? Is this a lag issue? Should I try different weapons? Quarkers might be interesting. Or of course spears... On a good note, on Castle this morning I rushed to take the Bridge CB and went into full Rambo/Coward mode. It was epic: I was on top jinking back and forth, dispensing whiteout zaps and the blues were behind me by about 300m dispensing with the reds that tried to take CB. Bullets to the left of me, bullets to the right of me, and mostly nothing hitting me. Nethers and Anglers were useless against me. Like 3 mins in, an Angler swoops in to save the Red's day. He tried for two or 3 abilities and realized he was making no progress so he went on to our HB to get killed. I got bored and decided I should push their home which was occupied by reds but now I pushed the "Obnoxious Line" ( Poopface ) to their home rather than CB. Yeah and it helped because now the reds were dealing with me at HB rather than CB. FTW. But as usual I was low in the standings. The life of a Loki driver. All guts, no glory. FWIW, Two Anglers alternating abilites can take me out, but with the 40% nerf coming to their ability this is going to help quite a bit.
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Post by Poopface on Jan 18, 2023 11:19:10 GMT -5
Hey! I could use your inputs. I've definitely got the beacon holding down. And I'm fairly good at the timing of when to move on to the next beacon to grab/annoy the reds. But my Loki coach ( ѻﻭɼﻉ ) says I need to do more backstabbing at times so I've been working on that. The results are suspiciously hit and miss. Because it seems like my 3.1 sonics aren't hitting, at times not at all. It's quite odd. When a Kepri isn't looking, I get right on him, unstealth, wham wham wham, hit AH, wham wham, re-stealth and the damage is totally meh. Of course it could be that he hit AH as well but it seems to happen a lot, and not just with Khepris. Anyway food for thought? Is this a lag issue? Should I try different weapons? Quarkers might be interesting. Or of course spears... If manual shots seem to not land due to lag or some other effect, maybe try Kramolas?
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 19, 2023 11:18:50 GMT -5
This morning the Loki (x2) Obnoxious level was right at 11.
Against a full [redacted] clan with plenty of Anglers and Khepris on Abyss: Loki #1, I went directly to the C beacon (the upper one with the two transporters) turned it blue and hung out. When I saw their HB may not be defended I went for it. The red "defending" their HB was a few meters off the beacon so I snuck behind him for the cap. EVEN though my whiteout had zapped him he still gave me the beacon. That gave us a 4 cap. So I hung out there for quite a bit drawing attention until I died after a bit. Loki #2, capped C, hung out for quite a while Anglers galore there was ~ 3 reds trying to off me. Fortunately I got blue support and all reds died while I put up quite a stink holding C as blue. Then, again, I went to their HB and capped that but I died pretty quickly because of titan LifeSucker weapons... Then Mars to C, fightfightfight, the Khepri/Spear to A, fighfightfight.... FTW. 5th or 6th in the standings, 4 or 5 beacons 0 kills.
The two Lokis got me to around 7 minutes. And for those 7 mins I was holding down a beacon and distracting at LEAST one red while the beacon was blue. All kidding aside, Loki is the unsung stealth meta. ANGLERS HATE THE LOKI. When they hit their ability they give me the beacon. Duh, Meta Boy!
Pro tip: If a Loki has a beacon let him have it. Go someplace else. Even if you have one Khepri/Spear you're going to be held up a good amount trying to take me out. Believe it or not Angler/Sonics are not a problem, not sure why. Maybe just coincidence but they don't seem to beat me up hard.
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Post by gus169 on Jan 19, 2023 11:29:42 GMT -5
Loki was a brilliant addition to the game. Back when having a permanent stealth ability meant you didn't get much HP and couldn't carry much firepower. It was a clear transaction. If they released it today, it would have the stealth ability PLUS mass HP, an Aegis, 3 heavies and it would be laying a trail of invisible homing landmines.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jan 19, 2023 20:52:40 GMT -5
Oh! Newsflash! Loki, is vastly superior in holding down a beacon compared to Skyros. I ran a full-blown beacon holding tank Skyros a few times and the difference was astounding. "You can't hit what you can't see." They can always see a Skyros. In this meta Lokis > Skyros by far. (Because I ran Skyros just a few times I'll drop one Loki, add a Skyros and report back after getting more data. This'll be interesting. It really depends on your opponents. I've had Skyros last all game, same as Loki. Aside from HMGs, Skyros is quite agile at evading weapons. HMGs, or bendies, need a 50% damage nerf. HMG need removed, 70% of the community did not want them to begin with.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jan 19, 2023 20:55:02 GMT -5
Hey! I could use your inputs. I've definitely got the beacon holding down. And I'm fairly good at the timing of when to move on to the next beacon to grab/annoy the reds. But my Loki coach ( ѻﻭɼﻉ ) says I need to do more backstabbing at times so I've been working on that. The results are suspiciously hit and miss. Because it seems like my 3.1 sonics aren't hitting, at times not at all. It's quite odd. When a Kepri isn't looking, I get right on him, unstealth, wham wham wham, hit AH, wham wham, re-stealth and the damage is totally meh. Of course it could be that he hit AH as well but it seems to happen a lot, and not just with Khepris. Anyway food for thought? Is this a lag issue? Should I try different weapons? Quarkers might be interesting. Or of course spears... If manual shots seem to not land due to lag or some other effect, maybe try Kramolas? NEVER go HMG...that should be shelved with several other broken items.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jan 19, 2023 20:56:52 GMT -5
Loki was a brilliant addition to the game. Back when having a permanent stealth ability meant you didn't get much HP and couldn't carry much firepower. It was a clear transaction. If they released it today, it would have the stealth ability PLUS mass HP, an Aegis, 3 heavies and it would be laying a trail of invisible homing landmines. So ture! Broken on top of broken....stack EVERYTHING on 1 bot then nerf it...so idiotic. But if it puts you ahead of all the hackers they don't stop or ban people will buy it.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 21, 2023 22:01:20 GMT -5
ѻﻭɼﻉIt’s true, the Angler nerf was a significant buff for Loki.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 23, 2023 10:46:53 GMT -5
Things are going quite well...
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Jan 23, 2023 15:21:15 GMT -5
Things are going quite well... Sweet win rate!
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 23, 2023 15:58:13 GMT -5
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Jan 23, 2023 16:10:51 GMT -5
Yeah, kinda slows down the resource farming grind, but resources are cheap these days.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 23, 2023 16:16:14 GMT -5
Yeah, kinda slows down the resource farming grind, but resources are cheap these days. Somebody in our clan said last night,"Yeah but you won't get much silver." *ahem* A: When do you ever get much silver? Even with a resource booster in use? B: Like you say, resources are "cheap" to buy nowadays. C: It's ALL ABOUT THE WIN, baby!
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Jan 23, 2023 18:11:08 GMT -5
Yeah, kinda slows down the resource farming grind, but resources are cheap these days. Somebody in our clan said last night,"Yeah but you won't get much silver." *ahem* A: When do you ever get much silver? Even with a resource booster in use? B: Like you say, resources are "cheap" to buy nowadays. C: It's ALL ABOUT THE WIN, baby! Well, that and the laughs. It's the smiles that keep us going. The bits of giggles and good cheer.
Bonus points for naming the movie. Not exactly a well known quote, but extra creepy in context.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 25, 2023 10:37:28 GMT -5
The reds just can't figure out the math I use.
When duo squadding: My teamie often gets 1st/2nd place, 5m, 4 kills, 5 beacons. I get 700k, 4 beacons, 0 kills and I finish in 5th/6th place.
For. The. Win.
My teamie doesn't mind me one bit. We were actually kinda laughing about it this morning. And yet still I bathe in the hateful feelings from an Angler when he hits his ability allowing me to turn the beacon blue. I love me some humiliated Anglers.
Every weapon that requires some sort of lock-on, even the newest Talon-class are useless unless you have Quantum Radar/QS or some non lock-on weapons and the worst is the magnetic LifeSuckers for Titans.
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Post by 079 on Jan 25, 2023 11:35:49 GMT -5
So a while back, I had wondered about the possibility of using the Ironhearth drone with Loki, as it offers a middle ground between the troll value of Wasp and the survivability of Nebula/Persephone. So about a month and a half ago (basically right before we first heard about the drone rebalance) I ended up buying one to see how it was. And I was actually like it a decent amount!
Ironhearth does not offer as much survivability as Nebula or Persephone, as while it has the two C chips for resistance and an F chip for a shield, the lack of Nebula’s burst healing or Persephone’s trickle healing is very noticeable. Also, the ability to protect from the freeze and blast effects underwhelming, though with the new update bringing back the Froodles and Blast Rockets at bit, it could be more useful. But of course, the built-in weapon is pretty fun, especially when equipped with a chip that lets it fire while the Loki can remain in stealth. It does not do a ton of damage, but that could just be due to me only using a purple chip, as the gold chips are significantly more powerful.
Due to its high price and the drone rebalance on the horizon, I cannot recommend buying Ironhearth in good faith, but if you have one lying around, give it a shot, as the fun it gives may be worth the survivability loss to you!
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 25, 2023 13:21:01 GMT -5
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Post by dinnerplain on Jan 25, 2023 16:32:52 GMT -5
Every weapon that requires some sort of lock-on, even the newest Talon-class are useless unless you have Quantum Radar/QS or some non lock-on weapons and the worst is the magnetic LifeSuckers for Titans.
Cyclone and cataclysm are definitely bonafide life suckers
I think Loki is one of the hardest robots to play effectively. You have to pay a lot of attention to everything that is going on or you get dead - despite being stealth 99% of the time. For example, when approaching a titan you have to watch your distance and the titan icons to check if QS activates.
I played a game last night where I was in Freedom Skyros and there was a blue Skyros & Loki. Blue won I ended up with 15 bacons (single-bot'd the game) but my compatriot bacon runners only got 5 each. The Loki did not last very long as I recall.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 25, 2023 17:03:24 GMT -5
Cyclone and cataclysm are definitely bonafide life suckers
I think Loki is one of the hardest robots to play effectively. You have to pay a lot of attention to everything that is going on or you get dead - despite being stealth 99% of the time. For example, when approaching a titan you have to watch your distance and the titan icons to check if QS activates.
I played a game last night where I was in Freedom Skyros and there was a blue Skyros & Loki. Blue won I ended up with 15 bacons (single-bot'd the game) but my compatriot bacon runners only got 5 each. The Loki did not last very long as I recall. Quite often my best Loki games are low beacon counts. I hold, and hold, and hold some more. The reds hate it. And it's SO obnoxious.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 26, 2023 9:25:26 GMT -5
This is a perfect example of a Loki win. Rome, I was working CB and the “little building” beacons. Back and forth. Primarily holding CB as blue against all comers. Anglers come, Anglers go... Useless against Loki. Nether? Nope. It’s the pressure of having CB blue almost the whole time. Two bots, both Loki, FTW. Having CB blue takes the pressure off of the blues, they can concentrate on taking/holding the other beacons because CB is good.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 26, 2023 11:20:51 GMT -5
The more experience I pile-up with two "tank" Lokis the more I know that in this meta:
A: It does work. More often than it doesn't. B: I rarely if ever bot out. C: Bring Powercells, lots of 'em D: It's astonishing how well this works against Angler. Like :-O , I can't shuttup about it. Obviously. E: Your Clan/Squad play needs one. F: Even I disdain other Lokis on the field because I assume they'll zip around and die 1 minute into the match. And that's probably why I mess with the reds SO hard because they expect me to die any second now and they keep trying to take me out with bendies and other assorted ineffective weapons.
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Post by Poopface on Jan 29, 2023 11:01:47 GMT -5
Super happy fun times with one of my non-tank Loki just now. Dead City. I’d run through my experimental Cerberus, Erebus, and Luchador. Blue was pretty down on bacon, red Titan city and there didn’t seem to be healing guns so I drop my Loki. Promptly jumped and captured Center bacon then ran the side to get their home beacon (B). Tied up #1 Red in his Aether loaded with Spears and enjoyed a bit of navel-gazing. Sure, I didn’t cap it before he got there, but he couldn’t leave or fly or I’d get it. Note bacon bar. Eventually, I had to run because #4 Red dropped a Heimdall w/ Quantum Sensor. From that point it was about playing peekaboo while getting to A bacon. Captured it and got an Orion kill. Held vs a Harpy who tried to recapture it by doing a little dance, offered a little love. Basically got down tonight. By this time, the Heimdall had come to kill me at A so I E&E’d back to B while they worked to recapture A. #1 Red flew back to B to keep me from getting it. Note bacon bar. Heimdall came back in range at B, I hid behind debris, then back to A. They tracked me down so back toward B when the game ended. Nothing fantastic, but I held down 2 Titans plus other occasional mechs plus the occasional Orion strike to move somebody or break up a Red cluster. Fun times. And my Loki isn’t even loaded!
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Post by Poopface on Jan 29, 2023 11:06:10 GMT -5
By the way, I’m a big fan of Armadillo drone with my Loki. Between racking up beacon captures and getting the occasional Orion kill, it can get rather stout in decent circumstances.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 30, 2023 10:06:35 GMT -5
By the way, I’m a big fan of Armadillo drone with my Loki. Between racking up beacon captures and getting the occasional Orion kill, it can get rather stout in decent circumstances. I WANT to use Armadillo. The concept is great but because I tend to not get any kills or grab a lot of beacons, it's possible that Whiteout is better for me. There's a guy in my clan who absolutely loves to duo squad with me. He says I'm the Yin to his Yang. While I'm holding down a beacon he's on the periphery taking guys out. Fun stuff.
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Post by Eradicator1 on Jan 30, 2023 18:15:20 GMT -5
By the way, I’m a big fan of Armadillo drone with my Loki. Between racking up beacon captures and getting the occasional Orion kill, it can get rather stout in decent circumstances. I WANT to use Armadillo. The concept is great but because I tend to not get any kills or grab a lot of beacons, it's possible that Whiteout is better for me. There's a guy in my clan who absolutely loves to duo squad with me. He says I'm the Yin to his Yang. While I'm holding down a beacon he's on the periphery taking guys out. Fun stuff. If your clannie and you are yin and yang. Then you and I were Bert and Ernie this morning. You went right and I went left on a bacon eating contest. You held the side beacon for loooooong time. Kept looking over to see the stealth eye sitting on that beacon. I kept laughing to myself as there was like most of the red team trying to turn it. Decided to mosy on over and say hi with a north light drop for ya. Great win for us! Good times. Ps. Two Loki’s you sly devil. Haha.
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Post by dinnerplain on Jan 31, 2023 7:42:04 GMT -5
Is anyone doing a 5 Loki hanger?
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jan 31, 2023 11:04:21 GMT -5
Is anyone doing a 5 Loki hanger? Not yet... *hint* But I am running 3. 2 Trixie and 1 GrumpMaster Flash. Let's just say I'm waiting for the 40% discount event.
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Post by 079 on Jan 31, 2023 12:53:16 GMT -5
Is anyone doing a 5 Loki hanger? I don’t think anyone here runs one, but they are out there as I have seen them.
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Post by Eradicator1 on Jan 31, 2023 13:31:14 GMT -5
Is anyone doing a 5 Loki hanger? Not yet... *hint* But I am running 3. 2 Trixie and 1 GrumpMaster Flash. Let's just say I'm waiting for the 40% discount event. I thought I saw three from you this morning.
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