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Post by Poopface on Feb 3, 2023 8:07:43 GMT -5
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 4, 2023 18:15:15 GMT -5
“And every time you hear a bell...” a Loki gets more Obnoxious! BOOM, FRACKERS!
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Post by AcuityAxiom on Feb 4, 2023 20:22:05 GMT -5
I still run my Loki, granted he's just a MK1 with one nitro but he's great for contesting beacons especially against bots that only have weapons on the top. Short man can't be shot.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 6, 2023 11:24:27 GMT -5
OK, kind of a final update for now. Having run MANY Bs-to-the-W solo matches, I've come to these conclusions. The good stuff:As a beacon holder, Loki is better than Skyros. -- Skyros just can't withstand the onslaught of 3 "highly motivated" reds. 3 angry reds is a breezy Tuesday for Mr. Tank Loki. -- I've seen Skyros built like a kinda hybrid Kill-Ball, killin' isn't Loki's thing. It likely never will be. You'll need plenty of Quantum Radar to take on and take out a Loki. Not just one random Ao Jun. In beacon games when a beacon is blue, you're holding it, and you brought lots of PowerCells with you, Loki strongly counters: -- Everything (Angler, Nether, Talon-class weapons, Nerfed Spears. There isn't a single Angler build that scares me. Nether is a bone-headed joke to Loki
Exceptions to Loki god-mode, as it turns out: -- Speedy/Road Hog sonic builds for Scorpion and Demeter. Scorpion sonics are semi-common and are to be respected. Sonic Orochi is usually meh, but not always. -- Glory kind of has an installed Loki Magnet: Even one Glory on a TFalcon hits surprising hard even though the TFalc is not running Quantum Radar. (rare build) -- Quad Glories on a Behemoth are 4 times the "fun" for Loki. (rare build) -- Quad Igniters on a Typhon can hurt but it's a (rare build) -- A tenacious Shell or Hellburner are worth some attention, but nothing to outright panic over. -- Splash off a wall from Avalanches. If you stand in the infuriatingly correct place, you'll be fine and torque off the Behemoth pilot -- Titan Gargantua/Pantagruel are very effective. If they are maxed, I'll need a Plan B. -- Of course Titan Quantum Sensor is a problem. -- Indra's Lasso, Luchador's stomp, Arthur's fart-bomb all have a measure of pain but against a healthy Loki they are meh. The bad stuff:You'll need a team around you. Loki can't do it all. It CAN hold a beacon for a LOOOONNG time but it will never mech-out the reds. -- Loki's lack of damage output can be a liability BUT in a fair world that would be massively countered by Loki's death-grip on beacons. A successfully run Loki duo will get you 65%+ wins and a demotion in leagues -- Hypothetically I could hang on to CB on Canyon for the ENTIRE match, for the win, and I would come in 6th place and get hardly any honor, if any. So even though you could argue Lokis efforts were heroic, you'll get no appreciation from the Honor System. Bummer. You'll spend a crapload of PCs, get little honor for a solid win (or even massive negative cups for a loss) and be rewarded with a league demotion. Is it worth building one? Heck yeah. Drop it second or third now and then. PLEASE consider just holding the beacon blue and you'll see some very angry reds that can't hit you. So, I'm back to a single Loki primary hangar, but Loki is no longer my #1 drop. Wow, Angler/Trixie/Talon-class weapons can hit a ton.
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Post by 079 on Feb 6, 2023 11:51:11 GMT -5
Yeah, it seems the Jumping and Tank Lokis have reached the peak of their development for right now, so we gotta wait and see what the drone rework does. Given the test server stats, Discus of all drones seems like an appealing option (speed boost when a beacon is captured), along with Persephone and Armadillo remaining strong choices. We can only wait and see…
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Post by Poopface on Feb 6, 2023 13:06:38 GMT -5
#1 Loki drop is also fun with Armadillo. Go collect beacons, get defense, and use your Orion to your heart’s content.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 7, 2023 11:25:38 GMT -5
Fun anecdote: Yesterday we were in 4 v 4 clan match. They were well-funded as they had at least one laser Imugi aka "Whale-bot 2023." Springfield. We're on the farm side. First drop Loki as I can sometimes grab/hold CB. Which luckily I did. So... about 30 seconds into the match the Imugi sets-up a teleport to CB. And at least 2 more reds go to CB. So that makes a total of 3 reds on CB and me as the blue and... They. Couldn't. Do. Poop. Against Me. Grave tactical error. They had to like spread out and try re-take/hold Dam and other red-like shenanigans. 7 minutes in Blues have kinda consolidated their positions which freed me up to re-take and hold Farm for the rest of the match. One bot, FTW. Edit: I would've loved to hear their Discord chat. "Is somebody gonna kill that dang Loki?!?!?!?"
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Post by 079 on Feb 7, 2023 15:27:51 GMT -5
Pixonic’s decision to disable drones on the 20th will be a big deal, and that includes Loki, so I’m curious, what are you all gonna do during the brief time they are gone? I’m guessing this will hit the Tank Lokis harder than the Jumping Lokis, as drones are more integral to the former’s ideology. Anyone cooking up any interesting ideas for the big day?
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 7, 2023 15:33:56 GMT -5
Pixonic’s decision to disable drones on the 20th will be a big deal, and that includes Loki, so I’m curious, what are you all gonna do during the brief time they are gone? I’m guessing this will hit the Tank Lokis harder than the Jumping Lokis, as drones are more integral to the former’s ideology. Anyone cooking up any interesting ideas for the big day? Well the drone shake-up is going to hammer a lot of builds. Tank Loki doesn't need drone Shield, so that's a plus. I'm going to continue to run at least one Loki until it looks like I shouldn't. My interesting ideas have been kind of a spread-out layer of don't invest too much in one direction. I'm looking at Tasers with renewed interest.
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Post by Poopface on Feb 7, 2023 16:49:17 GMT -5
Pixonic’s decision to disable drones on the 20th will be a big deal, and that includes Loki, so I’m curious, what are you all gonna do during the brief time they are gone? I’m guessing this will hit the Tank Lokis harder than the Jumping Lokis, as drones are more integral to the former’s ideology. Anyone cooking up any interesting ideas for the big day? My #1 Loki is both jumping and somewhat tanky as I run the Armadillo drone on it.
I don't intend to do anything differently. Shredder Loki will still keep trying to kill ninja turtles. Sonic Loki will still pump up the jam. I haven't started doing anything with Loki #3, yet.
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Post by Poopface on Feb 7, 2023 20:04:30 GMT -5
Hereâs a match for Oliver KloesovStarted off annoying a Seraph at D (below me). 30 sec later and D still hasnât turned so an Aether comes over to find out 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 is going on. So Aether boy tries to land his guns on the lip of the platform, but his skills are noob. He gets the brilliant idea to come try to bully me, but just like Skut Farkas he isnât so sure how to do it. He does come complete with a new Seraph toadie. The Seraph is the brains of the operation and dtsrts shooting me from the ramp. Solution: drop down. I have them distracted enough that the Aether draws fire from Blue. Unfortunately, that TD guy is smarter and starts lighting me up. Time to go! A minute 40 holding down the beacon vs multiple blues and little green crack is good in my book. Unfortunately, Blue lost. Very heavily outgunned.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Feb 8, 2023 0:14:30 GMT -5
OK, kind of a final update for now. Having run MANY Bs-to-the-W solo matches, I've come to these conclusions. The good stuff:As a beacon holder, Loki is better than Skyros. -- Skyros just can't withstand the onslaught of 3 "highly motivated" reds. 3 angry reds is a breezy Tuesday for Mr. Tank Loki. -- I've seen Skyros built like a kinda hybrid Kill-Ball, killin' isn't Loki's thing. It likely never will be. You'll need plenty of Quantum Radar to take on and take out a Loki. Not just one random Ao Jun. In beacon games when a beacon is blue, you're holding it, and you brought lots of PowerCells with you, Loki strongly counters: -- Everything (Angler, Nether, Talon-class weapons, Nerfed Spears. There isn't a single Angler build that scares me. Nether is a bone-headed joke to Loki
Exceptions to Loki god-mode, as it turns out: -- Speedy/Road Hog sonic builds for Scorpion and Demeter. Scorpion sonics are semi-common and are to be respected. Sonic Orochi is usually meh, but not always. -- Glory kind of has an installed Loki Magnet: Even one Glory on a TFalcon hits surprising hard even though the TFalc is not running Quantum Radar. (rare build) -- Quad Glories on a Behemoth are 4 times the "fun" for Loki. (rare build) -- Quad Igniters on a Typhon can hurt but it's a (rare build) -- A tenacious Shell or Hellburner are worth some attention, but nothing to outright panic over. -- Splash off a wall from Avalanches. If you stand in the infuriatingly correct place, you'll be fine and torque off the Behemoth pilot -- Titan Gargantua/Pantagruel are very effective. If they are maxed, I'll need a Plan B. -- Of course Titan Quantum Sensor is a problem. -- Indra's Lasso, Luchador's stomp, Arthur's fart-bomb all have a measure of pain but against a healthy Loki they are meh. The bad stuff:You'll need a team around you. Loki can't do it all. It CAN hold a beacon for a LOOOONNG time but it will never mech-out the reds. -- Loki's lack of damage output can be a liability BUT in a fair world that would be massively countered by Loki's death-grip on beacons. A successfully run Loki duo will get you 65%+ wins and a demotion in leagues -- Hypothetically I could hang on to CB on Canyon for the ENTIRE match, for the win, and I would come in 6th place and get hardly any honor, if any. So even though you could argue Lokis efforts were heroic, you'll get no appreciation from the Honor System. Bummer. You'll spend a crapload of PCs, get little honor for a solid win (or even massive negative cups for a loss) and be rewarded with a league demotion. Is it worth building one? Heck yeah. Drop it second or third now and then. PLEASE consider just holding the beacon blue and you'll see some very angry reds that can't hit you. So, I'm back to a single Loki primary hangar, but Loki is no longer my #1 drop. Wow, Angler/Trixie/Talon-class weapons can hit a ton. Nice break down & guide Poopface!
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Post by Poopface on Feb 11, 2023 8:44:07 GMT -5
Loki kill streak! ⬆️ Hard to tell from the picture, but that was an Aether. I was waiting to be his Sonic back pack when he landed.
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Post by dinnerplain on Feb 12, 2023 5:22:26 GMT -5
“And every time you hear a bell...” a Loki gets more Obnoxious! BOOM, FRACKERS!
I am jealous. I don't even have 1 eperimental loki
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 12, 2023 7:17:06 GMT -5
“And every time you hear a bell...” a Loki gets more Obnoxious! BOOM, FRACKERS!
I am jealous. I don't even have 1 eperimental loki When they were selling them for 5.99 I just couldn’ resist. FWIW, their health pool is so low, that the special edition doesn’t matter much.
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Post by 079 on Feb 12, 2023 14:53:33 GMT -5
I am jealous. I don't even have 1 eperimental loki When they were selling them for 5.99 I just couldn’ resist. FWIW, their health pool is so low, that the special edition doesn’t matter much. I agree the health boost does not do a ton, as I bought mine for the looks. It is definitely one of my favorite special editions.
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Post by Poopface on Feb 13, 2023 19:13:40 GMT -5
Loki triple kill! First was an Orion to finish off a hiding Titan Second I came up at 6:00 low behind a flying Ming as I blasted him with my Sonics. Thoroughly enjoyable to watch him swivel back and forth just as Maverick/Goose did when Viper “killed” them an instant before he crumbled to the earth. Kill three was w/ Sonics also as time expired. Final score: B and D beacons, 3 kills
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 15, 2023 10:19:04 GMT -5
The thread that won't die. But I guess for good enough reason. Fun bot. Still viable. We'll see in the next cuppla months!
Small tip: Quarkers may be pretty good with Loki. No lockon and you can sort of wail away until somebody notices. Guns away doubles as cool-down. And when they are heated up you can still hit a stealthed enemy Loki at point blank range (as one guy found out two nights ago.) Bullets spray everywhere and will hit something eventually.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Feb 16, 2023 4:04:06 GMT -5
I think Loki will actually gain from the drone nerf. Current meta drone builds are largely offensive and mega-tank builds. Loki needs are different needing more speed, regen and defense points.
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Post by Wolfblood7 on Feb 16, 2023 4:10:49 GMT -5
I think Loki will actually gain from the drone nerf. Current meta drone builds are largely offensive and mega-tank builds. Loki needs are different needing more speed, regen and defense points. A lot will gain from the drone nerf. Many of the threats to Loki, aka Seraph and Angler will be easier to kill without purple shields appearing every 2 seconds.
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Post by dinnerplain on Feb 16, 2023 4:39:50 GMT -5
The thread that won't die. But I guess for good enough reason. Fun bot. Still viable. We'll see in the next cuppla months! Small tip: Quarkers may be pretty good with Loki. No lockon and you can sort of wail away until somebody notices. Guns away doubles as cool-down. And when they are heated up you can still hit a stealthed enemy Loki at point blank range (as one guy found out two nights ago.) Bullets spray everywhere and will hit something eventually.
Which can make them good for hitting Loki ;D
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 16, 2023 10:07:32 GMT -5
So, a tried an experimental game with Loki using the Eye drone. Why? it basically has no defense and I wanted to see if Tank Loki could survive a drone-less world. It kinda can! Angler will hurt all the more while they are using their ability.
Loki drivers, unite!
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 17, 2023 11:31:47 GMT -5
Morning Fun Dispatch: In a trio with two other [NEXT] guys: Full_Retard and Robin-Hood. Trios are ALWAYS dangerous because they often pit you against full clans. Which DID happen back-to-back, see below. 1st game: Carrier. Full Chinese clan. So aggro to the max, right? -- Loki to CB. I hold it white. Big furball. Lots of flashy effects. There's a red Skyros among them. Thankfully the blues knew what to do and they keep laying on the damage while I'm holding it white. Skyros didn't last all that long (aka "Loki > Skyros"). Blue prevailed and I was alone on blue CB with about 80% health. Sweet. Decisions. Hold here or push their home? I decided to bee-line for their home. I hang out there with a red Harpy, and other assorted bots here and there. I never turned their HB white but I was a semi-effective distraction. Blues continued to repulse their pushes for our outer home and even push their outer home now and then. We're down 3-2 and we're at around 5 minutes 2nd drop: Loki, straight to CB. Which I take pretty quickly (with some blue support gunning help.) AND THEN I HOLD CB for around 2 minutes against a highly motivated Chinese clan. Yes I just stood there and hit heals but, I'm innit to winnit. 3rd drop Angler. Push to CB, then to their outer home, distract them like crazy, no real progress, scuttle below decks playing, "[raspberry!], chase me!" FTW. Result, that CB hold by Loki was a significant contributor to the win. 2nd match: Powerplant against full [Iron Smiles] - I sent Loki straight to the hallway beacon. Weirdness ensues. I held it white against ALL KINDSA reds. A skyros, Fenrir, Seraph, assorted everything. Heal, heal, heal. Eventually the blues ground them down. The beacon is blue, but I was fairly low health, now what? There was a low health Skyros with me and we pushed their home. Which we got, but temporarily. I think I died to Titan magnet weapons. 2nd drop: Angler. To pitchers mound. Beat up a lot on various Aethers and other assorted bots. Held it blue for around 90 seconds. 3rd drop: Angler. Laid down some support pain on the furball at the Hallway beacon. Then kinda clean-up duty. FTW. Result: Loki tied up a bunch of reds early on during he fight for hallway. it wasn't amazing but they lost 2-3 bots and it eventually turned blue. There is no doubt that I'll miss the T4 healing chips for Loki, but nobody else will have them either! >^\}VULTURE{/^< Poopface dinnerplain Schquirrelschak
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Feb 17, 2023 15:51:44 GMT -5
Great post Oliver Kloesov or I would have missed such great insight for quite a while. I even saw Adrian changing his builds to hunt Loki yesterday saying "some Loki players are just so good it's annoying". He's like...I just want to Lock-down & orbital them lol!
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 17, 2023 17:08:46 GMT -5
Great post Oliver Kloesov or I would have missed such great insight for quite a while. I even saw Adrian changing his builds to hunt Loki yesterday saying "some Loki players are just so good it's annoying". He's like...I just want to Lock-down & orbital them lol! Zipping around within in a blue circle, distributing whiteout drone zaps and hitting Advanced Heal does NOT make me good, but, it does mean I'm trying to contribute effectively to the win. IF that makes me "good" then it's a VERY low bar he's setting.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 17, 2023 17:25:48 GMT -5
Quickest Loki kill ever: Carrier, I was on the red HB, some guy in a Typhon had Quantum Radar and Fainters. "Not today, Loki Boy!" He hits Quantum Radar, then his ability, then Fainters. My full health Loki was splatted in around 1.5 seconds. Maybe less. Ouchie-ouch-ouch!
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Post by dinnerplain on Feb 17, 2023 18:01:36 GMT -5
Quickest Loki kill ever: Carrier, I was on the red HB, some guy in a Typhon had Quantum Radar and Fainters. "Not today, Loki Boy!" He hits Quantum Radar, then his ability, then Fainters. My full health Loki was splatted in around 1.5 seconds. Maybe less. Ouchie-ouch-ouch! Too much success in any robot breeds arrogance and an arrogant pilot is a dead pilot Sometimes phase shift can save you in situations like this, sometimes not.
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Post by 079 on Feb 17, 2023 19:19:16 GMT -5
Quickest Loki kill ever: Carrier, I was on the red HB, some guy in a Typhon had Quantum Radar and Fainters. "Not today, Loki Boy!" He hits Quantum Radar, then his ability, then Fainters. My full health Loki was splatted in around 1.5 seconds. Maybe less. Ouchie-ouch-ouch! I run a Quantum Radar Typhon with Cyros in one of the hangars I use for the Time Drops. It is the stuff of nightmares for Ryoji and Poopface with their Loki(s)! Quantum Radar + EMP tends to humble quite the handful of bots…
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Post by dinnerplain on Feb 18, 2023 2:59:24 GMT -5
Quickest Loki kill ever: Carrier, I was on the red HB, some guy in a Typhon had Quantum Radar and Fainters. "Not today, Loki Boy!" He hits Quantum Radar, then his ability, then Fainters. My full health Loki was splatted in around 1.5 seconds. Maybe less. Ouchie-ouch-ouch! I run a Quantum Radar Typhon with Cyros in one of the hangars I use for the Time Drops. It is the stuff of nightmares for Ryoji and Poopface with their Loki(s)! Quantum Radar + EMP tends to humble quite the handful of bots…
That's what's missing: the anti-EMP module!
And a WD40 module too.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 20, 2023 10:47:11 GMT -5
No drones?!?!
It's early days but the verdict is...
Loki is still effective!!!!!
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