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Post by OU812? on May 31, 2021 7:24:28 GMT -5
What was your experience playing MA this weekend? It was brutal for me. The AI seems to have increased significantly in difficulty. I kept finding myself in 3 on one situations and nearly botting out in most CPC matches.
My last five tourney matches were frustrating. All were defeats where I scored a high of 125 and a low of 38. Four out of five of the matches netted my less than 100 points.
I couldn’t play carefully enough and many of my mechs had short lifespans in matches. I’d recently acquired Carbine 10s and a 12 but a red Doc survived a full salvo from them both on my Panther.
I’m all for a challenge but I really hope this isn’t the new way of things.
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Post by BigBear on May 31, 2021 8:12:39 GMT -5
I did notice running solo in tourney the enemy AI seemed to make their way over to my side of the map pretty quickly,and once there were like ticks on a mangy dog,tough to get rid of.
Also running solo I am down the pecking order of scores,AI is winning everything lately,I'm sure this will have a knock on effect for future events and trying to reach targets.
I am now considering dropping Zep from my hanger,not much point freezing if you cant takes them out in one go,right now AI is surviving my attack then killing my retreating Zep.
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Post by Koalabear on May 31, 2021 9:52:51 GMT -5
Two days straight I thought I was number one...went to sleep, woke up and was number 2. I hate people who play at the last minute and beat me by one game!
AI was was pretty tough as there were a couple of games where an AI player beat me on the podium.
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Post by Danny Linguini on May 31, 2021 10:09:17 GMT -5
I did notice running solo in tourney the enemy AI seemed to make their way over to my side of the map pretty quickly,and once there were like ticks on a mangy dog,tough to get rid of. Also running solo I am down the pecking order of scores,AI is winning everything lately,I'm sure this will have a knock on effect for future events and trying to reach targets. I am now considering dropping Zep from my hanger,not much point freezing if you cant takes them out in one go,right now AI is surviving my attack then killing my retreating Zep. This is what frustrated me to the point of taking a break. It’s difficult and time-consuming enough to complete challenges and tournaments when you are finishing well; it’s damm near impossible when AI NON-PLAYERS are wiping out your entire hangar and taking all the top spots, and with them most of the medals. Question I’ve been asking for months now is, what is the point of that? When a few people are still able to crank out 20+ kills because of a glitch or lucky draw or who knows what, while most of us are lucky to see 4-5 kills now. And yeah, it’s also quite curious how whatever you’re shooting with whatever weapons, you can never kill it any more. A challenge is one thing, but this is still a GAME, ffs. A game that they’re expecting you to support. Make it fun, not frustrating, and I’ll gladly support it.
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Post by Danny Linguini on May 31, 2021 12:40:43 GMT -5
So, I’m in there this morning grabbing my free crap, see a couple of friends I hadn’t squadded with in awhile but are really good teammates, so figured what the hell, what can one game hurt. Managed to field a full team of hoomans, and had four hella scraps against AI. They were extremely aggressive and difficult to kill, but we did win all games by holding enough beacons to keep the clock going long enough to eventually kill them all off. We had a couple of guys who had no beacon caps, but lots of kills by just finding a spot to snipe from, while the rest of us were on the ground killing whatever got past the snipers and holding or recapping beacons. A combination of great teamwork and one or two skilled shooters (of which I am definitely not one) seems to be the ticket against these things. No idea how that translates against a good team of humans, but it certainly helped ease the pain against this new breed of AI.
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Post by punishingcossack on May 31, 2021 12:44:33 GMT -5
I think some people are getting maxed AI's, but others aren't. I'm at 3570+ at my max, and I'm still getting the same AI's as before...but when I accept an invite from people who I know are getting maxed AI's, I get them too. One person I squad w/ fairly regularly is like 2500, and he's getting Mayer level AI's....
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Post by Koalabear on May 31, 2021 15:18:32 GMT -5
I don't really mind that the red AI have gotten smarter...Just wish the blue AI had gotten smarter too!
Example I'm capping a beacon and a blue Guardian sprints past me and the beacon. Not only that, it was a RM8 Guardian too. Sheesh!
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Post by Danny Linguini on May 31, 2021 18:44:13 GMT -5
I don't really mind that the red AI have gotten smarter...Just wish the blue AI had gotten smarter too! Example I'm capping a beacon and a blue Guardian sprints past me and the beacon. Not only that, it was a RM8 Guardian too. Sheesh! Yes, there are the blue ones that obviously got pulled from the factory reject pile. It’s so rewarding to play your azz off when you never had any chance of winning. Luckily I already got my 4 wins in a row (with a little help from my friends); if this had been for win #4, I’d have been really, really pissed.
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Post by hicycles on May 31, 2021 18:50:03 GMT -5
I've been noticing fewer tanks, and more light bots. Lots of shadows, cheetahs, zephyrs, and surges. They're getting all the beacons!
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Post by phobos262 on May 31, 2021 22:19:57 GMT -5
I’ve had the opposite; Ares and Brickhouse everywhere. Still not a big deal compared to all reds ceasing fire at the blue AI next to them to shoot at me on the other side of the map as soon as I exit cover. It’s okay though, I haven’t chucked my iPad at the wall. Yet.
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Post by OU812? on Jun 1, 2021 8:38:31 GMT -5
I've been noticing fewer tanks, and more light bots. Lots of shadows, cheetahs, zephyrs, and surges. They're getting all the beacons! That’s been my experience too. Shadows armed with pulse cannons that don’t tickle anymore. Cheetahs with abnormally powerful mines and light bots that are particularly aggressive at defending beacons now.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 1, 2021 9:48:38 GMT -5
punishingcossack I am getting the same as you, normal AI when solo but once squadded, "it's on".
Also, there are a lot of high level humans changing their name to "AI" names, which can make it even more frustrating to deal with. I am really hoping THAT gets addressed, quickly.
But yeah, I think I played a couple of those games with you Danny Linguini (changed your name again?) and the two I was able to get in on went well. GGs if that was you!
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 1, 2021 10:25:04 GMT -5
I've been noticing fewer tanks, and more light bots. Lots of shadows, cheetahs, zephyrs, and surges. They're getting all the beacons! That’s been my experience too. Shadows armed with pulse cannons that don’t tickle anymore. Cheetahs with abnormally powerful mines and light bots that are particularly aggressive at defending beacons now. Seen Shadow with a single maxed Carb 12 yet? Yikes. They don't miss.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 1, 2021 10:53:36 GMT -5
punishingcossack I am getting the same as you, normal AI when solo but once squadded, "it's on".
Also, there are a lot of high level humans changing their name to "AI" names, which can make it even more frustrating to deal with. I am really hoping THAT gets addressed, quickly.
But yeah, I think I played a couple of those games with you Danny Linguini (changed your name again?) and the two I was able to get in on went well. GGs if that was you! If it was slapnuts, it was me. GGs for you as well!
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 1, 2021 12:34:26 GMT -5
punishingcossack I am getting the same as you, normal AI when solo but once squadded, "it's on".
Also, there are a lot of high level humans changing their name to "AI" names, which can make it even more frustrating to deal with. I am really hoping THAT gets addressed, quickly.
But yeah, I think I played a couple of those games with you Danny Linguini (changed your name again?) and the two I was able to get in on went well. GGs if that was you! If it was slapnuts, it was me. GGs for you as well! Yup...
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 1, 2021 14:02:41 GMT -5
If it was slapnuts, it was me. GGs for you as well! Yup...
Nice. Oh, and thanks for posting the good ones.
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Post by A.c.r.u.x. on Jun 1, 2021 18:33:53 GMT -5
AI seemed to be a bit more aggressive but I'm also use to running solo a lot so I may have adapted. I will say this weekend was the matches of Redox, Surge or Brickhouse.. One match I counted 6 Brickhouses in the match at the same time.. all AI. Honestly that Surge is becoming an annoying bot to deal with if you dont see it in time.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 2, 2021 0:01:05 GMT -5
And how am I getting system-crashed from 45m away. Last blue mech in the game, two humans on each team (thanks a lot, DEADEYE!), reds have all the beacons and are heading en masse up to spawn, but they’re not there yet. Nothing closer than 45m, and I get crashed, then frozen, then crashed again. That was whole lots of fun.
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Post by S1E1 on Jun 2, 2021 0:36:02 GMT -5
And how am I getting system-crashed from 45m away. Last blue mech in the game, two humans on each team (thanks a lot, DEADEYE!), reds have all the beacons and are heading en masse up to spawn, but they’re not there yet. Nothing closer than 45m, and I get crashed, then frozen, then crashed again. That was whole lots of fun. Yeah I had a lot of lag and teleports this weekend. That will become a deal breaker for me. I quit War Robots for a few reasons but the lag and server issues were the biggest factor. Just turned my graphics settings down to low. Doubt it will make a difference but here's hoping...
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Post by punishingcossack on Jun 2, 2021 2:25:52 GMT -5
And how am I getting system-crashed from 45m away. Last blue mech in the game, two humans on each team (thanks a lot, DEADEYE!), reds have all the beacons and are heading en masse up to spawn, but they’re not there yet. Nothing closer than 45m, and I get crashed, then frozen, then crashed again. That was whole lots of fun. Yeah I had a lot of lag and teleports this weekend. That will become a deal breaker for me. I quit War Robots for a few reasons but the lag and server issues were the biggest factor. Just turned my graphics settings down to low. Doubt it will make a difference but here's hoping... turning the graphics settings down does help with disconnection issues, so it might help w/ lag as well
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 3, 2021 22:23:17 GMT -5
I don’t understand. My Killshot is now R6.1, carrying R6.2 jav6’s. Killshot still melts under fire from ANYTHING red, even javs, but my javs and a dash don’t kill squat. Two, three jav salvos don’t kill most mechs. I mostly only get one dash, because of that doesn’t kill (or I just f’n miss, which seems to be just as frequent), it’s just a sitting duck. I’m terrible with sustained fire weapons on it, R5 MR8’s are almost as ineffective as javs, I’m just at a loss here. All this mech is worth lately is one or two beacons before it’s just another red kill stat. And people think this glass jaw needs to be nerfed? Ditto the Zehyr, minus the beacons. Reds ALWAYS seem to have two Zephyrs and a surge to freeze me before I can hit that ability button, so usually it’s another wasted hangar slot. I think I’m gonna go back to Lancer and Juggernaut as my mainstays. I sure couldn’t do much worse with them. I just don’t know what to do to counter, well, ANYTHING any more.
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Post by Koalabear on Jun 4, 2021 7:42:59 GMT -5
Now that I have 4 24EN mechs, I had to shelve either my Shadow or KS and I chose to shelve my KS. While it is great for capping the first couple of beacons in CPC, it's really hard to make it survive long. It's not necessarily a bad thing cause when you have heavy hitters in your hangar, you don't want your first mech to last too long anyway. But, I just have more fun with the Shadow.
JR6, even at R6, just don't have the punch to kill most things in one double salvo anymore. Pretty much the only things I can kill are Cheetahs and Shadows and maybe Panthers. Sometimes, if can SSK RM8 Guardians cause those tend to be low level.
The key to using JR6 is to give up the SSK mentality. I also don't single fire often anymore unless it's to strip a shield. I choose my targets and prioritize reds with the OH icon and Stasis icon or even EMP and System Crash icon. The last three because I know there's likely blues shooting at that red so I'm adding my fire to ensure a kill. Reds with the OH debuff means my JRs will be more effective. I also try to shoot reds from the side and from the back as much as possible. The Shadow's Stealth ability really comes in handy when I need to reposition while out in the open or when I'm trying to angle my missiles to get the best shot. I also try to prioritize light mechs too cause those are the ones that can sneak past and cap a beacon behind the blues.
The JRs got a silent fix over the last several months and they don't hit as consistently as when I first started playing. They are harder to use now and not nearly as OP as they used to be.
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Post by Redfiend on Jun 4, 2021 8:38:14 GMT -5
The JRs got a silent fix over the last several months and they don't hit as consistently as when I first started playing. They are harder to use now and not nearly as OP as they used to be. I was wondering when that would happen. JR4 always seemed to miss a missile while JR6 always smacked with Spiral accuracy. Also, my least favorite way to lose:
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Post by reconnecting on Jun 4, 2021 12:01:52 GMT -5
I don’t understand. My Killshot is now R6.1, carrying R6.2 jav6’s. Killshot still melts under fire from ANYTHING red, even javs, but my javs and a dash don’t kill squat. Two, three jav salvos don’t kill most mechs. I mostly only get one dash, because of that doesn’t kill (or I just f’n miss, which seems to be just as frequent), it’s just a sitting duck. I’m terrible with sustained fire weapons on it, R5 MR8’s are almost as ineffective as javs, I’m just at a loss here. All this mech is worth lately is one or two beacons before it’s just another red kill stat. And people think this glass jaw needs to be nerfed? Ditto the Zehyr, minus the beacons. Reds ALWAYS seem to have two Zephyrs and a surge to freeze me before I can hit that ability button, so usually it’s another wasted hangar slot. I think I’m gonna go back to Lancer and Juggernaut as my mainstays. I sure couldn’t do much worse with them. I just don’t know what to do to counter, well, ANYTHING any more. I think I replied before that I use stand off weapons at mid range or better. If I get too close to reds I might get frozen. I hate getting frozen. MR 8 and CB 12 are my jam now. Also I've gone back to Jav 6 on daily task bots. Sometimes reds just overwhelm blue with freeze bots and weapons. Always speedy little bots too, then the tanks.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 4, 2021 13:13:04 GMT -5
I don’t understand. My Killshot is now R6.1, carrying R6.2 jav6’s. Killshot still melts under fire from ANYTHING red, even javs, but my javs and a dash don’t kill squat. Two, three jav salvos don’t kill most mechs. I mostly only get one dash, because of that doesn’t kill (or I just f’n miss, which seems to be just as frequent), it’s just a sitting duck. I’m terrible with sustained fire weapons on it, R5 MR8’s are almost as ineffective as javs, I’m just at a loss here. All this mech is worth lately is one or two beacons before it’s just another red kill stat. And people think this glass jaw needs to be nerfed? Ditto the Zehyr, minus the beacons. Reds ALWAYS seem to have two Zephyrs and a surge to freeze me before I can hit that ability button, so usually it’s another wasted hangar slot. I think I’m gonna go back to Lancer and Juggernaut as my mainstays. I sure couldn’t do much worse with them. I just don’t know what to do to counter, well, ANYTHING any more. I think I replied before that I use stand off weapons at mid range or better. If I get too close to reds I might get frozen. I hate getting frozen. MR 8 and CB 12 are my jam now. Also I've gone back to Jav 6 on daily task bots. Sometimes reds just overwhelm blue with freeze bots and weapons. Always speedy little bots too, then the tanks. I guess I could try carbs on the Killshot again just for a little extra range. Tried them a few times already and I’m just terrible with them on Killshot. Can’t do much worse than I am with the javs.
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Post by reconnecting on Jun 4, 2021 13:52:11 GMT -5
I think I replied before that I use stand off weapons at mid range or better. If I get too close to reds I might get frozen. I hate getting frozen. MR 8 and CB 12 are my jam now. Also I've gone back to Jav 6 on daily task bots. Sometimes reds just overwhelm blue with freeze bots and weapons. Always speedy little bots too, then the tanks. I guess I could try carbs on the Killshot again just for a little extra range. Tried them a few times already and I’m just terrible with them on Killshot. Can’t do much worse than I am with the javs. Or hit red with one Jav 6 then finish with CB corner shooting. He never knows what hit him. I also consider it a victory if I takedown a reds shield for another blue to kill it. It is harder to kill reds at times these days. Though I did kill 5 reds with my Lancer armed with just one Jav 6. He was on top of a structure by a crossroad and they kept walking into the kill zone. Lol.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 4, 2021 16:52:50 GMT -5
I guess I could try carbs on the Killshot again just for a little extra range. Tried them a few times already and I’m just terrible with them on Killshot. Can’t do much worse than I am with the javs. Or hit red with one Jav 6 then finish with CB corner shooting. He never knows what hit him. I also consider it a victory if I takedown a reds shield for another blue to kill it. It is harder to kill reds at times these days. Though I did kill 5 reds with my Lancer armed with just one Jav 6. He was on top of a structure by a crossroad and they kept walking into the kill zone. Lol. If you’re talking about those buildings around center on Neo Hokkaido, that’s one if my favorite spots for Lancer with javs. They keep parading through there trying to take (or retake) center. You can also keep a close eye on the left home beacon, too. I used to rack up mega kills from there … when javs actually killed stuff. It’s still good for driving reds crazy.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jun 7, 2021 12:59:08 GMT -5
I’m done. Can’t handle it any more. Just can’t play for 「dookie」. Deleted. Before I break another iPad.
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Post by Redfiend on Jun 7, 2021 18:28:14 GMT -5
I’m done. Can’t handle it any more. Just can’t play for 「dookie」. Deleted. Before I break another iPad. Unfortunately, that's the nature of games today fren, especially f2p and mobile markets. The only attainable balance in games like this will always be rooms of maxed players, and I doubt that's going to change unless global capitalism collapses. At least they haven't gone the War Robots route of moving the goalposts, as War Robots did(does) with the whole MKII and flavor of the month BS. Even if this game were fully populated, it would be max level real players instead of just the AI, so that's not going to change.
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Post by BigBear on Jun 8, 2021 3:08:07 GMT -5
Now is not a good time to be playing MA,the current testing phase with AI running around maxed out makes for a frustrating time.I understand MM is an important part of the game and it's good the developers are focussing on getting it right by collecting numbers to work on and tweak.
As I said to someone on FB yesterday the game is still in beta and as such we are all testers,when I play I remind myself I am testing a pre release version and helping to make it a better product.
The problem is big payers have discovered this game and now there is a fair amount of maxed players on the battlefield running one shot kill Railguns and maxed cloned CB's etc etc.Competative human nature demands you better all opponents but to do that you must invest a fair amount of cash (as we all know that is exactly what game owners want).
So maybe it's best to take some time out now while the testing is on going,hopefully things will improve a lot with MM and the game as a whole,no point getting so frustrated with a game,but you will be back,you know it,we know it,for Mech smashing PvP this game is probably the best there is out there (unless you have won the lottery lately).
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