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Post by reconnecting on Nov 4, 2020 15:07:25 GMT -5
I keep getting into a situation where my bot is aiming at the _ground_ and I struggle to make it look forward or aim at a target. How the double bejezus do I deal with this?  |
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Post by Redfiend on Nov 4, 2020 21:35:02 GMT -5
I keep getting into a situation where my bot is aiming at the _ground_ and I struggle to make it look forward or aim at a target. How the double bejezus do I deal with this? Wide target assist auto centers after a second or so of no Aim input. That used to happen to me with the vertical aim type. The only way to really avoid it is to make sure your thumb is completely off of the screen before pressing the fire button. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Nov 5, 2020 15:24:38 GMT -5
So what I want to know is, how can I be just a few meters from a red, strafing randomly from right to left to right, and they never miss a shot no matter what they’re shooting me with. Pulse cannons, missile racks, RPG’s, it doesn’t matter. And I’m talking about my Killshot, which isn’t exactly slow. I can follow enemy targets, but I cannot possibly track anything that accurately and nail every shot - I don’t think any human can. But these @#$&*% reds do it religiously and do. not. miss.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 5, 2020 15:29:59 GMT -5
I keep getting into a situation where my bot is aiming at the _ground_ and I struggle to make it look forward or aim at a target. How the double bejezus do I deal with this? Can you do a screen recording of this? IF you can and you have discord, you can join the MA server and post it in the bug reports section... IDK how much it would help... but at least you would be bringing it to their attention. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 5, 2020 15:31:14 GMT -5
So what I want to know is, how can I be just a few meters from a red, strafing randomly from right to left to right, and they never miss a shot no matter what they’re shooting me with. Pulse cannons, missile racks, RPG’s, it doesn’t matter. And I’m talking about my Killshot, which isn’t exactly slow. I can follow enemy targets, but I cannot possibly track anything that accurately and nail every shot - I don’t think any human can. But these @#$&*% reds do it religiously and do. not. miss. I guess I don't play enough to get those kinds of AI. I get some hard ones from time to time... but I barely ever get more than 30 mins of straight game play at a time, so I guess I don't piss off the game enough. |
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Post by Deadeye on Nov 5, 2020 15:52:26 GMT -5
So what I want to know is, how can I be just a few meters from a red, strafing randomly from right to left to right, and they never miss a shot no matter what they’re shooting me with. Pulse cannons, missile racks, RPG’s, it doesn’t matter. And I’m talking about my Killshot, which isn’t exactly slow. I can follow enemy targets, but I cannot possibly track anything that accurately and nail every shot - I don’t think any human can. But these @#$&*% reds do it religiously and do. not. miss. I've been annoyed with this too. I think it has to do with the fact that AI doesn't have to use thumbs and limited screen size to turn their mech torso. They also have near infinite reaction time, so dodging back and forth doesn't phase them much either. It all boils down to the fact that they aren't humans. |
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Post by dukeofadvil on Nov 6, 2020 0:03:14 GMT -5
The time it takes to load a bot after you die is a bit much, especially because how short the games are.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Nov 6, 2020 0:15:31 GMT -5
Anybody else falling into more black holes of nothingness much more than usual today? I’ve dropped into three of them tonight ... before that I think I’ve fallen into two the entire time I’ve been playing. The time it takes to load a bot after you die is a bit much, especially because how short the games are. I actually don’t mind this. At least if you kill a red trying to flip one of their CP’s, they can’t jump right back on a half-dead you with a fresh mech. Much better than how War Robots handles it, I think. |
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Post by hicycles on Nov 6, 2020 2:07:38 GMT -5
Yesterday's tourney map sucked. I guess I'm leveling up a bit too quick because I was having a hard time hitting 200 points each round.
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Post by Commander Dog on Nov 6, 2020 7:24:44 GMT -5
Don't know if it's a glitch or an exploit, but I was fighting a Guardian on yesterday's tourney map and he kept dissappearing. He'd use the mech's ability, then hide behind one of the small outcrops on the side corridor and he would completely dissappear from the screen.
Or he would turn the corner at the end and disappear. The first time, I thought it was a LOS issue, so I followed around the corner but he was gone. I turn around to go back along the corridor, and up he pops behind me.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Nov 6, 2020 10:45:59 GMT -5
And this bull「dookie」 pisses me off to no 「fluffernutter」ing end. One teammate, just ONE decent teammate who knows what the hell they’re doing and isn’t a red disguised as a blue would make games like this just a little more palatable. The only consolation is, the top two reds had much stronger hangars than me, so I guess I should take some satisfaction in doing as well as I did.  |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 5, 2020 15:01:34 GMT -5
Ok, I think it’s seriously time to take a break now. I don’t know whatâs going on here, but both of my accounts have gone to absolute 「dookie」 these last 3-4 days. Canât win anything, getting trounced in both CPC and tournament, getting the most ridiculous daily challenges that I haven’t even bothered trying to complete for most of this week. I feel like I’ve forgotten everything I ever knew about how to play the damn game. I don’t know what happened, but it’s like somebody flipped the instant no-fun switch. Time for a time-out.
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Post by BAMtATeRToTz on Dec 5, 2020 19:42:36 GMT -5
Ok, I think it’s seriously time to take a break now. I don’t know whatâs going on here, but both of my accounts have gone to absolute 「dookie」 these last 3-4 days. Canât win anything, getting trounced in both CPC and tournament, getting the most ridiculous daily challenges that I haven’t even bothered trying to complete for most of this week. I feel like I’ve forgotten everything I ever knew about how to play the damn game. I don’t know what happened, but it’s like somebody flipped the instant no-fun switch. Time for a time-out. Indeed. This has been the case for me today as well. Ai is insane. |
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Post by Redfiend on Dec 5, 2020 23:29:05 GMT -5
BAMtATeRToTz Danny LinguiniThey made a change to the MM. While I'm no longer seeing AI that have ridiculous hangar score advantage, they're all playing with their brains turned all the way on.
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Post by reconnecting on Dec 6, 2020 13:57:42 GMT -5
BAMtATeRToTz Danny Linguini They made a change to the MM. While I'm no longer seeing AI that have ridiculous hangar score advantage, they're all playing with their brains turned all the way on. Yes! I got my boot kicked yesterday so I have played very defensively. My scores then got 25% better. In today's map I pause at spawn and look for targets from behind the raised ridge in front. After team has gone I come out on one side or the other. KS drops first and lasts a long time shooting around corners and behind cover. Jav 6 on him. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 6, 2020 23:36:46 GMT -5
BAMtATeRToTz Danny Linguini They made a change to the MM. While I'm no longer seeing AI that have ridiculous hangar score advantage, they're all playing with their brains turned all the way on. Yes! I got my boot kicked yesterday so I have played very defensively. My scores then got 25% better. In today's map I pause at spawn and look for targets from behind the raised ridge in front. After team has gone I come out on one side or the other. KS drops first and lasts a long time shooting around corners and behind cover. Jav 6 on him. Yup... play like it matters what every step you take is. I am seeing a LOT more humans in all my matches... with a min of one on the Red side. It's definitely more of a "fight" now... and I am digging it. Of course, my hangar is not at Danny's level and I realize that gear plays a real part, but it's still a PITA to be the only human with potatoes for Blue AI against competent Red AI led by 2-3 humans. I am not complaining though, because so far, a lot of my Tourney games have had at least 1 human Blue, even if they are lower leveled, which can make a huge difference knowing I can count on at least one player to be competent, and not run a Guardian with RMs and stand under overhead cover facing away from the fight, shooting at flies on the ceiling  . |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 7, 2020 12:19:29 GMT -5
Again, I have no idea what they’ve done, but these latest updates have thoroughly killed any desire I have to play this game. All of a sudden I can’t do anything in CPC. Nothing. The only challenge I’ve completed today is open 6 crates. The rest I can’t even make any progress on. 6 remaining challenges, ZERO progress on any of them. Reds are just targeting me before everybody and everything else. I didn’t think it was possible, but this has gotten more frustrating to play than War Robots.
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Post by Munki on Dec 7, 2020 12:32:14 GMT -5
Sorry to hear of your troubles, Danny. I too had many issues playing alone and have noted that the hanger strength of Ai is now very consistent in a round. Best counter to much of this is to team up with other humans. Had some good matches and times in several pick up games over the weekend. Even won my card on Master on Saturday. Many of the matches did not have a single Ai so it was challenging and very fun. So nice to not have that super Ai reflexes to deal with!
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 7, 2020 13:32:33 GMT -5
Again, I have no idea what they’ve done, but these latest updates have thoroughly killed any desire I have to play this game. All of a sudden I can’t do anything in CPC. Nothing. The only challenge I’ve completed today is open 6 crates. The rest I can’t even make any progress on. 6 remaining challenges, ZERO progress on any of them. Reds are just targeting me before everybody and everything else. I didn’t think it was possible, but this has gotten more frustrating to play than War Robots. What about your OG account? have you tried that or is it unrecoverable? I would assume with the higher leveled gear it would help a little...
But, if you are having that much trouble with a totally f2p account, while having experience with the game... that could be an indicator for what new players will see, too.
The Devs do seem to be working on the MM in a slow, but steady, fashion... however they need feedback. If you wanna PM me what you think are the relevant details, I will gladly submit it in the Discord since you deleted your Discord account or whatever... I don't know if they have an in-game feedback avenue, but if they, do maybe drop some 'love' in there, too?
EDIT: if you wanna squad and see me in game, drop me a message and I'll drop a few bots (and therefore, SP) to roll with you... unless it's lunch time... it's hard to guarantee even a full game's worth of time, then, so I rarely squad up to avoid bailing out on a teammate, mid-game, when the inevitable user locks themselves out of an app or their PC  . |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 7, 2020 13:59:06 GMT -5
Again, I have no idea what they’ve done, but these latest updates have thoroughly killed any desire I have to play this game. All of a sudden I can’t do anything in CPC. Nothing. The only challenge I’ve completed today is open 6 crates. The rest I can’t even make any progress on. 6 remaining challenges, ZERO progress on any of them. Reds are just targeting me before everybody and everything else. I didn’t think it was possible, but this has gotten more frustrating to play than War Robots. What about your OG account? have you tried that or is it unrecoverable? I would assume with the higher leveled gear it would help a little...
But, if you are having that much trouble with a totally f2p account, while having experience with the game... that could be an indicator for what new players will see, too.
The Devs do seem to be working on the MM in a slow, but steady, fashion... however they need feedback. If you wanna PM me what you think are the relevant details, I will gladly submit it in the Discord since you deleted your Discord account or whatever... I don't know if they have an in-game feedback avenue, but if they, do maybe drop some 'love' in there, too?
EDIT: if you wanna squad and see me in game, drop me a message and I'll drop a few bots (and therefore, SP) to roll with you... unless it's lunch time... it's hard to guarantee even a full game's worth of time, then, so I rarely squad up to avoid bailing out on a teammate, mid-game, when the inevitable user locks themselves out of an app or their PC . I gave up on the F2P restart account a few days ago; whatever they did started showing up there. The best I could possibly muster was a 550’s squad, and I was facing all 700+ every game. Hangar just could not compete past Expert in tournament, and CPC was going nowhere, which is what that experiment was about. Fail. I’m back in my original account now, but something has seriously changed since last week. Used to be I’d just roll with the losses and eventually the matchups would settle down to where everybody was close to my squad power, and the games would be competitive again, but not any more. I run a squad power anywhere between 1100-1500 now, depending on challenges I’m trying to complete, and I’m seeing nothing below 1700 on either side, no matter how badly or how long I’m getting beaten, and they’re constantly devastating. Today has been particularly bad. I just folded it up now, because it’s not worth the aggravation. Like I said, I don’t know what they’ve done, but it was right around the time I hit 2000 XP on my new account mid last week when things started going to crap, but I know it wasn’t that, because things went to crap on both accounts around the same time. Just for comparison, I just crossed 160k XP in my first account a few days ago. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 7, 2020 16:14:47 GMT -5
What about your OG account? have you tried that or is it unrecoverable? I would assume with the higher leveled gear it would help a little...
But, if you are having that much trouble with a totally f2p account, while having experience with the game... that could be an indicator for what new players will see, too.
The Devs do seem to be working on the MM in a slow, but steady, fashion... however they need feedback. If you wanna PM me what you think are the relevant details, I will gladly submit it in the Discord since you deleted your Discord account or whatever... I don't know if they have an in-game feedback avenue, but if they, do maybe drop some 'love' in there, too?
EDIT: if you wanna squad and see me in game, drop me a message and I'll drop a few bots (and therefore, SP) to roll with you... unless it's lunch time... it's hard to guarantee even a full game's worth of time, then, so I rarely squad up to avoid bailing out on a teammate, mid-game, when the inevitable user locks themselves out of an app or their PC . I gave up on the F2P restart account a few days ago; whatever they did started showing up there. The best I could possibly muster was a 550’s squad, and I was facing all 700+ every game. Hangar just could not compete past Expert in tournament, and CPC was going nowhere, which is what that experiment was about. Fail. I’m back in my original account now, but something has seriously changed since last week. Used to be I’d just roll with the losses and eventually the matchups would settle down to where everybody was close to my squad power, and the games would be competitive again, but not any more. I run a squad power anywhere between 1100-1500 now, depending on challenges I’m trying to complete, and I’m seeing nothing below 1700 on either side, no matter how badly or how long I’m getting beaten, and they’re constantly devastating. Today has been particularly bad. I just folded it up now, because it’s not worth the aggravation. Like I said, I don’t know what they’ve done, but it was right around the time I hit 2000 XP on my new account mid last week when things started going to crap, but I know it wasn’t that, because things went to crap on both accounts around the same time. Just for comparison, I just crossed 160k XP in my first account a few days ago. You're in Div 1 though... My account JUST got into Div 2 and I think my AI matchups are closer to your SP. Totally just a guess... but I wonder if they are basing the AI power off of that?
Regardless... it's not just their SP... the "intelligence" seems to have gone up... for the Red team, anyway. I'm seeing bots I swear are humans because of what they do and don't to, that turn out to be AI. No matter how it affects us as players of the game, I have to say that this type of Bot programming is impressive. Not fun if you don't have either a full team to back you up or 2x their levels in gear, though. |
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Post by punishingcossack on Dec 7, 2020 18:25:12 GMT -5
I gave up on the F2P restart account a few days ago; whatever they did started showing up there. The best I could possibly muster was a 550’s squad, and I was facing all 700+ every game. Hangar just could not compete past Expert in tournament, and CPC was going nowhere, which is what that experiment was about. Fail. I’m back in my original account now, but something has seriously changed since last week. Used to be I’d just roll with the losses and eventually the matchups would settle down to where everybody was close to my squad power, and the games would be competitive again, but not any more. I run a squad power anywhere between 1100-1500 now, depending on challenges I’m trying to complete, and I’m seeing nothing below 1700 on either side, no matter how badly or how long I’m getting beaten, and they’re constantly devastating. Today has been particularly bad. I just folded it up now, because it’s not worth the aggravation. Like I said, I don’t know what they’ve done, but it was right around the time I hit 2000 XP on my new account mid last week when things started going to crap, but I know it wasn’t that, because things went to crap on both accounts around the same time. Just for comparison, I just crossed 160k XP in my first account a few days ago. You're in Div 1 though... My account JUST got into Div 2 and I think my AI matchups are closer to your SP. Totally just a guess... but I wonder if they are basing the AI power off of that?
Regardless... it's not just their SP... the "intelligence" seems to have gone up... for the Red team, anyway. I'm seeing bots I swear are humans because of what they do and don't to, that turn out to be AI. No matter how it affects us as players of the game, I have to say that this type of Bot programming is impressive. Not fun if you don't have either a full team to back you up or 2x their levels in gear, though. what sort of things are you seeing them do? For me, I haven't really paid attention to the new AI tactics b/c I outrank all my AI opponents, which lets me play more aggressively than before and impose my will and tactics on them. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 7, 2020 18:30:14 GMT -5
You're in Div 1 though... My account JUST got into Div 2 and I think my AI matchups are closer to your SP. Totally just a guess... but I wonder if they are basing the AI power off of that?
Regardless... it's not just their SP... the "intelligence" seems to have gone up... for the Red team, anyway. I'm seeing bots I swear are humans because of what they do and don't to, that turn out to be AI. No matter how it affects us as players of the game, I have to say that this type of Bot programming is impressive. Not fun if you don't have either a full team to back you up or 2x their levels in gear, though. what sort of things are you seeing them do? For me, I haven't really noticed much difference in AI tactics b/c I outrank all my AI opponents, so I've been able to play more aggressively and impose my will and tactics on them. I out rank most of them too... but there is a more... tactical?... feel. I see more support of each other, more flank attacks, quicker retreating to cover once they start receiving fire, etc. I can't put a single example out there, but it's just the general feel of how they act/react is more "real" to me, than before.
The games have been more requiring of being "in the zone" when I play than before for the SP level I am referring to. 1200 - 1500 used to not phase me... but now there is a bit more blood drawn unless I am going all out. I think that describes it as well as I can.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 8, 2020 15:07:57 GMT -5
Done. Game has reached that point where it’s causing more frustration than enjoyment. When I have to fight the urge to toss my brand new iPad across the room, it’s time to call it a day.
Sorry guys, but MA has now joined War Robots in the trash can.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 18, 2020 12:35:53 GMT -5
Holy Christ, now they nerfed the crap out of the XP rewards for completing challenges. AND you now have to complete all 7 challenges to get the crate instead of just 5.
So they’ve nerfed tournament rewards at the same time they ramped up AI aggressiveness, so you have to work harder to earn less there. They’ve nerfed the crate offers, but kept the prices the same. Now this. They’ve obviously studied Pix’s book well on how to de-incentivize players.
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Post by BigBear on Dec 18, 2020 20:22:55 GMT -5
It was a grind before,it's even more of a grind now.Do they really think players are going to hand over cash because you have no chance of slowly earning something in the game ?.I don't mind paying to help my gameplay along in a game that gives me enjoyment,but when I have played for a month saving A coins and still I'm thousands of A coins away from my target then it's pretty clear the route the developers are going to take.Shame as this had promise.
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Post by dukeofadvil on Dec 18, 2020 22:22:29 GMT -5
Holy Christ, now they nerfed the crap out of the XP rewards for completing challenges. AND you now have to complete all 7 challenges to get the crate instead of just 5. So they’ve nerfed tournament rewards at the same time they ramped up AI aggressiveness, so you have to work harder to earn less there. They’ve nerfed the crate offers, but kept the prices the same. Now this. They’ve obviously studied Pix’s book well on how to de-incentivize players.  I just emailed them and chewed their @$$ out. It isn't just you have to do 7, you mjst do all 7, and there is no longer a way to skip or change the challenges. I got all 7 today but i never run Lancer....so i loaded him and tanked sorry to the people who got stuck on my team but this isn't my fault it is the developers fault for driving me to this point. Im beyond P1$$ed. |
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Post by OU812? on Dec 18, 2020 23:33:10 GMT -5
I couldn’t complete all seven tasks without shelling out 70 A-coins to replenish battle tokens so I could complete the last two. One task was to gain influence and the other was to gain blueprints.
The 10 A-coins and 1,000 credits gained may not have been worth it although I got the gold chest and stocked up a bunch of others playing in an effort not to waste the battle tokens left.
Not liking these changes.
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Post by dukeofadvil on Dec 19, 2020 0:04:40 GMT -5
I couldn’t complete all seven tasks without shelling out 70 A-coins to replenish battle tokens so I could complete the last two. One task was to gain influence and the other was to gain blueprints. The 10 A-coins and 1,000 credits gained may not have been worth it although I got the gold chest and stocked up a bunch of others playing in an effort not to waste the battle tokens left. Not liking these changes. Definitely was better when you had 7 or 8 to choose from and oy needed 5. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 19, 2020 2:12:24 GMT -5
Holy Christ, now they nerfed the crap out of the XP rewards for completing challenges. AND you now have to complete all 7 challenges to get the crate instead of just 5. So they’ve nerfed tournament rewards at the same time they ramped up AI aggressiveness, so you have to work harder to earn less there. They’ve nerfed the crate offers, but kept the prices the same. Now this. They’ve obviously studied Pix’s book well on how to de-incentivize players. I just emailed them and chewed their @$$ out. It isn't just you have to do 7, you mjst do all 7, and there is no longer a way to skip or change the challenges. I got all 7 today but i never run Lancer....so i loaded him and tanked sorry to the people who got stuck on my team but this isn't my fault it is the developers fault for driving me to this point. Im beyond P1$$ed. I do this all the time now. When I have mech- or weapon-specific challenges, I’ll run only those mechs and weapons. If it’s only one mech or weapon, I’ll run only one mech. And then when 8m done, I keep running just that one mech, just because. There’s nothing to be gained by trying to win, other than earning XP and using up your tokens faster. I got dropped back to div 2 ... and laughed all the way down. It’s actually kinda funny watching what AI is doing while I’m playing like crap, not to mention wins and losses when I contribute next to nothing to the team. I really have no idea what these game designers are thinking with these latest changes; if it’s to get players to spend more on stuff they’re earning less of from playing, it’s having the exact opposite affect — I’m playing a lot less and spending exactly nothing. There’s plenty I could use those extra resources on, but I just refuse to support a game that 1, reduced what I get for my money, and 2, is less fun to play than it was a short time ago. And yeah, I’m letting in-game support hear it regularly, too, along with screen shots of the more ridiculous matchups and the equally ridiculous results. |
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