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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 27, 2020 19:20:33 GMT -5
The game itself isn't what kills me. When predatory business practices are sussed out and become apparent, what little enjoyment I get from things like these fade. Quickly. The part where the imbalance is created solely for the monetization strategy, and is completely unrelated to player skill, is where the fun dies for me. I know exactly what you mean. That’s pretty much what killed War Robots for me. That’s why I sometimes do what I noted in my previous response, and it helps me to ignore the obvious monetization BS. It’s like, you wanna make me lose? Well I can make me lose better than you can. Edit: I just dropped a bomb in the Discord group. It really bugs me that good players are being driven away from yet another game because of crappy business practices. I hope we’re both wrong about where they’re going; time will tell if they dial back the apparent intentional imbalance or not.
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Post by Racerx7394 on Sept 28, 2020 15:46:45 GMT -5
I am still trying to figure out the monetization. Do people really pay $15 for a skin? Not me. I might pay $1 for a skin. The coins are essential to the game and they are rarely on sale. I bought 1-2 of the sales last week or the week before and haven't seen them since. It seems they haven't figured out what people will buy or the game gets really expensive and that will restrain the game's growth.
I know they are working on customizable controls, but the main fire button needs to be moved immediately. It's too far to the right. How did that get past tablet testing? Maybe it's fine for a phone.
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Post by mechtout on Sept 28, 2020 17:58:19 GMT -5
I am still trying to figure out the monetization. Do people really pay $15 for a skin? Not me. I might pay $1 for a skin. The coins are essential to the game and they are rarely on sale. I bought 1-2 of the sales last week or the week before and haven't seen them since. It seems they haven't figured out what people will buy or the game gets really expensive and that will restrain the game's growth. I know they are working on customizable controls, but the main fire button needs to be moved immediately. It's too far to the right. How did that get past tablet testing? Maybe it's fine for a phone. if you haven't found it yet, there are a few set configurations for controls you can switch to, i think one is for tablets, and there is also a wide screen one.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 28, 2020 20:53:42 GMT -5
I am still trying to figure out the monetization. Do people really pay $15 for a skin? Not me. I might pay $1 for a skin. The coins are essential to the game and they are rarely on sale. I bought 1-2 of the sales last week or the week before and haven't seen them since. It seems they haven't figured out what people will buy or the game gets really expensive and that will restrain the game's growth. I know they are working on customizable controls, but the main fire button needs to be moved immediately. It's too far to the right. How did that get past tablet testing? Maybe it's fine for a phone. if you haven't found it yet, there are a few set configurations for controls you can switch to, i think one is for tablets, and there is also a wide screen one. In Settings, there are two tablet configs, and a phone and widescreen. I’m most comfortable with Tablet B - it has the best compromise between easy to reach buttons and free space for moving the camera up and down/side to side (though I’m still constantly whacking Fire or Ability by accident). As soon as custom controls comes out, I’ll be starting with Tablet B and tweaking from there.
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Post by punishingcossack on Sept 28, 2020 21:48:42 GMT -5
biggest complaint is how dumb some of the daily tasks are. Some of the worst ones are "Kill X number of bots from behind w/ Y", or "win MVP twice on X map", or "jump 30 times w/ Lancer, or "Get MVP X times with Thermal Lance", or "Take X damage".
second biggest complaint are the in-your-face deals everytime you open the app. Why the 「fluffernutter」 would I pay $15 for a skin that's purely aesthetic?
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Post by Racerx7394 on Sept 29, 2020 8:29:00 GMT -5
I use Tablet B, but still don't like the fire button. To me, it seems way too far to the right. It will be nice to be able to move it.
I agree on the daily tasks, some are really bad. I had the auto cannon 2,4 yesterday. I don't have those on any bots and not leveled up. I'd have to level them up to work on the task, nope.
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Post by ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ on Sept 30, 2020 9:57:00 GMT -5
You know it's time to quit for the day when the AI constantly sends 2 or 3 2k reds and I am 1,4k with a bunch of 300's. FFS. No chance of topping my card today. Top guy on my card is only 500 rank and seems to make 300+ points per battle, I'm lucky to scrape 150 each today. Grrrrr. Its. Only. A. Game.
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Post by mechtout on Sept 30, 2020 10:08:03 GMT -5
You know it's time to quit for the day when the AI constantly sends 2 or 3 2k reds and I am 1,4k with a bunch of 300's. FFS. No chance of topping my card today. Top guy on my card is only 500 rank and seems to make 300+ points per battle, I'm lucky to scrape 150 each today. Grrrrr. Its. Only. A. Game. ya i just had a game vs another player where all my ai was 1200+ and all his was sub-1000, so wasnt really a fair win. but we did team up for some wins after. one thing that I do when I've had too long of a win streak in tourney, is to play a bunch of cpc. Let the ai have its revenge there, and then calm down. then i go back to tourney
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 6, 2020 17:09:27 GMT -5
And another thing. I’?m getting really, really, really sick of getting skewered by 6 thermal lances on me all at once from out of nowhere. Friggin AI must have these things leveled to the gills, because they fry me in no time, and the ?gosh darn ? things seem to follow me around corners. I tried them once, and I never cooked an enemy with them like the reds cook me. Like chewing right through Jug’s armor like it doesn’t have any, burning up Killshot before I’?m even in weapon range, never mind dash range. Godforsaken things remind me of the early days of gekkos that would light you up from across any battlefield, only worse.
Yeah, I’?m in the middle of the receiving end of another one of those murder-fests. How can you tell. Between that and the near constant hang ups trying to start a game, I’m about ready to give this ‘game’ a little rest.
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Post by ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ on Oct 7, 2020 2:45:12 GMT -5
And another thing. I’?m getting really, really, really sick of getting skewered by 6 thermal lances on me all at once from out of nowhere. Friggin AI must have these things leveled to the gills, because they fry me in no time, and the ?gosh darn ? things seem to follow me around corners. I tried them once, and I never cooked an enemy with them like the reds cook me. Like chewing right through Jug’s armor like it doesn’t have any, burning up Killshot before I’?m even in weapon range, never mind dash range. Godforsaken things remind me of the early days of gekkos that would light you up from across any battlefield, only worse. Yeah, I’?m in the middle of the receiving end of another one of those murder-fests. How can you tell. Between that and the near constant hang ups trying to start a game, I’m about ready to give this ‘game’ a little rest. I think you and me have the same run of luck atm, Danny. I'm putting the game down for today as "when the fun stops, stop." AI are murderous with TLs, they have hate boners against me, ganging up whilst ignoring other reds, MM has 2,5k blues against me and my 1.5ks, and to cap it all, I have a sweat on my Tourney card who has 2,8k hangar and is in rank 10 (tanker?) and has racked up 4k points already (I'm on 1k). Just not feeling the love today, so off to do something else.
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Post by mechtout on Oct 7, 2020 14:03:11 GMT -5
And another thing. I’?m getting really, really, really sick of getting skewered by 6 thermal lances on me all at once from out of nowhere. Friggin AI must have these things leveled to the gills, because they fry me in no time, and the ?gosh darn ? things seem to follow me around corners. I tried them once, and I never cooked an enemy with them like the reds cook me. Like chewing right through Jug’s armor like it doesn’t have any, burning up Killshot before I’?m even in weapon range, never mind dash range. Godforsaken things remind me of the early days of gekkos that would light you up from across any battlefield, only worse. Yeah, I’?m in the middle of the receiving end of another one of those murder-fests. How can you tell. Between that and the near constant hang ups trying to start a game, I’m about ready to give this ‘game’ a little rest. I think you and me have the same run of luck atm, Danny. I'm putting the game down for today as "when the fun stops, stop." AI are murderous with TLs, they have hate boners against me, ganging up whilst ignoring other reds, MM has 2,5k blues against me and my 1.5ks, and to cap it all, I have a sweat on my Tourney card who has 2,8k hangar and is in rank 10 (tanker?) and has racked up 4k points already (I'm on 1k). Just not feeling the love today, so off to do something else. I ran one with Danny earlier and felt the wrath, it wasn't fun and had to take an immediate break
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Post by Commander Dog on Oct 7, 2020 14:09:38 GMT -5
You seem to attract them Danny. That game I squadded with you recently was the first time in Tourney I've faced railguns and carbines.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 7, 2020 15:30:03 GMT -5
I think you and me have the same run of luck atm, Danny. I'm putting the game down for today as "when the fun stops, stop." AI are murderous with TLs, they have hate boners against me, ganging up whilst ignoring other reds, MM has 2,5k blues against me and my 1.5ks, and to cap it all, I have a sweat on my Tourney card who has 2,8k hangar and is in rank 10 (tanker?) and has racked up 4k points already (I'm on 1k). Just not feeling the love today, so off to do something else. I ran one with Danny earlier and felt the wrath, it wasn't fun and had to take an immediate break That was brutal. Some seriously heavy hitters in that game pretty much 1-shotted my whole hangar. At least we made up for it the next round. You seem to attract them Danny. That game I squadded with you recently was the first time in Tourney I've faced railguns and carbines. I’m glad somebody else witnessed the carnage. That one was even worse than usual, though ... I though it was you that dragged those hoodlums in there.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 7, 2020 23:59:05 GMT -5
Yeeeeeaaaaahhhhh ... it’?s looking like tomorrow is gonna be a MA holiday. I just got royally scorched two tournament games in a row. I couldn’t kill ?dookie?, worthless teammates running around all over who the hell knows where doing who the hell knows what and clearly couldn’t kill ?dookie?, two significantly overweight reds just shredded the crap out of everything blue in both games, totally not fun by any stretch of the imagination. I’ll be lucky to finish in the top 10 by the time this round is over.
Tomorrow was supposed to be a tournament off day anyway (obviously that should have been today). And now I just got 4 of THE stupidest challenges, which got even stupider after a couple of swaps, that I don’t even want to bother trying to complete them. I see shattered mobile device written all over any attempt to do so. So for the benefit of my iPad and what precious little is left of my mental health, ima play one superbly crappy tournament game in the morning, check in twice more for my free crates, and then call it a day.
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Post by hicycles on Oct 8, 2020 0:08:55 GMT -5
Danny Linguini I feel you. I was being matched with real players who were much higher leveled than me this evening. Super frustrating.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 8, 2020 11:13:11 GMT -5
Danny Linguini I feel you. I was being matched with real players who were much higher leveled than me this evening. Super frustrating. Seems to be a night time thing. At least that’s when it seems I do all of my cussing at this thing. Now this morning I went to do my one-and-done tournament match, and I got a decent matchup, considering I had just gotten bumped up to Expert, where I usually don’t fare too well. I had MR’s on the Guardian to try to knock off two challenges at once, and it was doing surprisingly well. So I kept going. Got a couple of stinkers, but mostly good, tightly fought matches. Now I know tonight if I go in there again I’m gonna wish I stopped at one game; but earlier in the day for some reason things usually seem to be much better balanced.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 8, 2020 12:40:49 GMT -5
Danny Linguini I feel you. I was being matched with real players who were much higher leveled than me this evening. Super frustrating. Seems to be a night time thing. At least that’s when it seems I do all of my cussing at this thing. Now this morning I went to do my one-and-done tournament match, and I got a decent matchup, considering I had just gotten bumped up to Expert, where I usually don’t fare too well. I had MR’s on the Guardian to try to knock off two challenges at once, and it was doing surprisingly well. So I kept going. Got a couple of stinkers, but mostly good, tightly fought matches. Now I know tonight if I go in there again I’m gonna wish I stopped at one game; but earlier in the day for some reason things usually seem to be much better balanced. I think towards the end of the tournament day, a lot of players jump on to try to push for the end... I see similar matches. Unfortunately, I usually can only play then for extended periods of time. But, this typically doesn't affect the points as bad as it could... let me explain.
By registering early in the day, I am usually placed in a bracket with people who aren't awake when I get to push. Even if I have some 90 point losses, I still end up able to get 1st or top 3 on Novice and Professional, and at least 5th or above in Expert and Master... depending on the day and the amount of hate the game throws at me. So far, this seems to work well, though, since most of the folk I am in the bracket with just don't show back up in the last 2-3 hours of the Tourney.
Maybe it's luck, but so far it's been pretty consistent when I can pull it off.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 9, 2020 10:03:09 GMT -5
So... Rant time...
Had a person on my friend list invite me last night... was my last game of the night. Anyway, I was letting tomorrow be my off day on Tourney and had just enough points to not go up a bracket.
Anyway, I was distracted and was not watching too much after I accepted the invite. Apparantly he switched it to Tournament after I accepted... which I didn't catch until we started the game. I don't like quitting a game early in anything, so stuck it out. Not really mad about the fact that I ended up rising brackets as a low 14 or 13 spot, but I do dislike that they can change it on the fly. I would prefer that the invite either be for Tourney or for CP... not changeable on the fly and without agreement from the other players.
Maybe a confirmation or something for the invitees if they decide to change it? IDK... but definitely grinded my gears. I dislike the Discord mods or I'd post it in their suggestion channel.
Blah.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 9, 2020 12:48:01 GMT -5
So... Rant time... Had a person on my friend list invite me last night... was my last game of the night. Anyway, I was letting tomorrow be my off day on Tourney and had just enough points to not go up a bracket. Anyway, I was distracted and was not watching too much after I accepted the invite. Apparantly he switched it to Tournament after I accepted... which I didn't catch until we started the game. I don't like quitting a game early in anything, so stuck it out. Not really mad about the fact that I ended up rising brackets as a low 14 or 13 spot, but I do dislike that they can change it on the fly. I would prefer that the invite either be for Tourney or for CP... not changeable on the fly and without agreement from the other players. Maybe a confirmation or something for the invitees if they decide to change it? IDK... but definitely grinded my gears. I dislike the Discord mods or I'd post it in their suggestion channel. Blah. I’ve had this happen a few times. Not cool to realize it’s a tourney game AFTER you’re in it. I try to flip it before I start inviting players, so they can know before accepting. Kind of a crappy thing to do changing it after you’ve assembled the team.
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Post by hicycles on Oct 9, 2020 21:18:59 GMT -5
I've joined a team match, knowing it was tourney, and didn't want to bracket up. I just did damage, and let the others get the kills. I joined the match really for "good will" points. A little good will for the days I get the "squad with 3 friends" task.
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Post by mechtout on Oct 10, 2020 9:10:47 GMT -5
Ya happened to me a couple of times during tourney, i just spent the match taking down health and shields, let blues get the kills
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Post by ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ on Oct 23, 2020 3:22:15 GMT -5
So how comes a junior noob on 400 hangar strength can skip up the tourney card hitting 300+ wins every battle, and I'm struggling to squeeze out 200 in any one? Is it that the first week or so you felt invincible and regularly racked up massive wins against docile AI, whilst now the AI are switched on and you know do things like corner shoot, retreat, play tactically, gang up, etc.? Sheeesh. On paper, today's tourney card has 2 possible competitors at my level, but we're being left in the wake of this guy on 400 points!
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Post by Redfiend on Oct 23, 2020 3:47:38 GMT -5
So how comes a junior noob on 400 hangar strength can skip up the tourney card hitting 300+ wins every battle, and I'm struggling to squeeze out 200 in any one? Is it that the first week or so you felt invincible and regularly racked up massive wins against docile AI, whilst now the AI are switched on and you know do things like corner shoot, retreat, play tactically, gang up, etc.? Sheeesh. On paper, today's tourney card has 2 possible competitors at my level, but we're being left in the wake of this guy on 400 points! The AI is determined by match history, and total matches played. Progressing a hangar in this game is much of the same as fighting AI 2 ranks higher than you: Suboptimal play leads to a world of pain. -------- I've become fairly ambivalent towards the game, and the last two bricktext essays I posted really showed me how little fire it's carrying for me. There's only casually playing,as in, extremely casual, paying into, or hardcore no-lifing this game. Anything in between can lead to sorely punishing experiences. Any deviation from the absolute most effectient route is punished unless actions are taken to game the game outside of just playing it. Playing more than the bare minimum only expedites the MM's progression. Playing with more than 3 mechs before having a playset near max exacerbates that due to oppurtunity cost. Monetization sits at death by a thousand cuts and buy a deluxe edition complete game price points, with the handful of rank 3 items being the only thing in between. Even then, those item's resource cost makes up for their price point on the grander scale of things. Resources are limited to a single game mode, in what basically amounts to attrition. The person going full potato on a mobile game for 10 hours a day always wins, which destroys progression for moderate or traditionally competetive gamers. Better presentation than Pixo's skinner box, but more of the same song and dance. I remember when I considered the absolute cost ceiling Y1/2 War Robots had for a max level hangar(about $300 iirc) obscenely expensive.
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Post by ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ on Oct 23, 2020 4:22:07 GMT -5
So how comes a junior noob on 400 hangar strength can skip up the tourney card hitting 300+ wins every battle, and I'm struggling to squeeze out 200 in any one? Is it that the first week or so you felt invincible and regularly racked up massive wins against docile AI, whilst now the AI are switched on and you know do things like corner shoot, retreat, play tactically, gang up, etc.? Sheeesh. On paper, today's tourney card has 2 possible competitors at my level, but we're being left in the wake of this guy on 400 points! The AI is determined by match history, and total matches played. Progressing a hangar in this game is much of the same as fighting AI 2 ranks higher than you: Suboptimal play leads to a world of pain. -------- I've become fairly ambivalent towards the game, and the last two bricktext essays I posted really showed me how little fire it's carrying for me. There's only casually playing,as in, extremely casual, paying into, or hardcore no-lifing this game. Anything in between can lead to sorely punishing experiences. Any deviation from the absolute most effectient route is punished unless actions are taken to game the game outside of just playing it. Playing more than the bare minimum only expedites the MM's progression. Playing with more than 3 mechs before having a playset near max exacerbates that due to oppurtunity cost. Monetization sits at death by a thousand cuts and buy a deluxe edition complete game price points, with the handful of rank 3 items being the only thing in between. Even then, those item's resource cost makes up for their price point on the grander scale of things. Resources are limited to a single game mode, in what basically amounts to attrition. The person going full potato on a mobile game for 10 hours a day always wins, which destroys progression for moderate or traditionally competetive gamers. Better presentation than Pixo's skinner box, but more of the same song and dance. I remember when I considered the absolute cost ceiling Y1/2 War Robots had for a max level hangar(about $300 iirc) obscenely expensive. I fear you are right, Redfiend, given how you are a good few steps ahead of me on the progress path and so have witnessed all this first hand. With not much joy ahead - I am only ever going to be a casual player as RL is, well, you know - 'there', I wonder how far my path runs here. Perhaps just a bad mood combined with a bad string of matches; I'll take a breather for today and see what tomorrow brings.
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Post by Redfiend on Oct 23, 2020 5:02:03 GMT -5
ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ I'm actually on a breather from my main account. Every "next step" for progress is $20+ of coins. Because I spent so much time getting ~literally everything~ resource acquisition doesn't keep up with the demand unless I no-life tournament. I played that way to say, definitively, what the pitfalls are and where the gatcha the game(and developers) would never admit to is, so peeps know what to expect and treat the pastime accordingly for where they stand. My suggestion would be, stick to your favorite 3 mechs. The only reason the inditubers aren't constantly roflstompped by AI, lies in the dumb crap they do in their videos (and how many games they actually play like that for footage). KSO and Omniverse average 2-3 bots a hangar unless they're showing off that day, and their videos depict AI that's weaker than what I normally run into on my main account.
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Post by mechtout on Oct 23, 2020 8:40:49 GMT -5
I had a system where i would accumulate 24+ free tickets for the target bracket twice, but rl hasn't allowed me to grind it out, so im more of a 2nd - 4th place casual player
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 24, 2020 13:57:09 GMT -5
I officially hate today’s tourney map. There’s crap everywhere blocking shots, but no good place to retreat to for cover. At least I can’t find one. I always seem to have the wrong mech/weapon combination. I just cannot figure this map out. Doesn’t help that itâs one if those days Iâm outmatched every game and my teammates are morons. And I canât field a team to save my life. So I’m generally placing 1 or 2 on my team, and earning ãdookieã for it. And I even punted yesterday’s tournament, so I’m only in Expert today. I don’t get it. Days like this are just utter frustration - I need tourney match wins to earn some resources to either rank up or acquire gear, but I can’t because MM is ãfluffernutterãing me up the ãbum-bumã every game. GGGGRRRRRRRHHHHHH!!!!!! Edit: Every 「fluffernutter」ing game is this bull「dookie」.
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Post by Commander Dog on Oct 24, 2020 15:28:06 GMT -5
I officially hate today’s tourney map. There’s crap everywhere blocking shots, but no good place to retreat to for cover. At least I can’t find one. I always seem to have the wrong mech/weapon combination. I just cannot figure this map out. Doesn’t help that itâs one if those days Iâm outmatched every game and my teammates are morons. And I canât field a team to save my life. So I’m generally placing 1 or 2 on my team, and earning ãdookieã for it. And I even punted yesterday’s tournament, so I’m only in Expert today. I don’t get it. Days like this are just utter frustration - I need tourney match wins to earn some resources to either rank up or acquire gear, but I can’t because MM is ãfluffernutterãing me up the ãbum-bumã every game. GGGGRRRRRRRHHHHHH!!!!!! Edit: Every 「fluffernutter」ing game is this bull「dookie」. LOL, I totally chose the wrong combos when we played today Danny. By mistake, not on purpose. Panther RM was particularly useless.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 24, 2020 16:31:51 GMT -5
I officially hate today’s tourney map. There’s crap everywhere blocking shots, but no good place to retreat to for cover. At least I can’t find one. I always seem to have the wrong mech/weapon combination. I just cannot figure this map out. Doesn’t help that itâs one if those days Iâm outmatched every game and my teammates are morons. And I canât field a team to save my life. So I’m generally placing 1 or 2 on my team, and earning ãdookieã for it. And I even punted yesterday’s tournament, so I’m only in Expert today. I don’t get it. Days like this are just utter frustration - I need tourney match wins to earn some resources to either rank up or acquire gear, but I can’t because MM is ãfluffernutterãing me up the ãbum-bumã every game. GGGGRRRRRRRHHHHHH!!!!!! Edit: Every 「fluffernutter」ing game is this bull「dookie」. LOL, I totally chose the wrong combos when we played today Danny. By mistake, not on purpose. Panther RM was particularly useless. Hey, don’t feel bad - besides doing that very same thing myself many times, I can’t figure out what combos work, either. On this game here, I think I put javs back on the Killshot, MRs on Juggy, and pulse cannons on Panther, because nothing else was working. I can’t hit crap with LA’s, so they’re back on the shelf. Ares is still R3, so that’s like shooting spitballs at battleships. Juggy with MR8’s was the most effective - hits hard long or close range, and can stand up the longest to the incoming fire from all directions, which is my biggest problem on this map that I can’t figure out how to deal with. Pulse cannons are good for maybe one kill before whatever is toting them gets wasted. Javs are next to useless, and Killshot, no matter what I arm it with, has been nothing more than another kill for the enemy. Reds just flank the crap out of me in every game, and forget about teammates playing like anything remotely resembling a team. I’ve had it with this crap today. Wherever I am now is where I’ll end up in this bracket (2nd now, but I know that won’t last the night), and we’ll see if I have any better luck tomorrow. I’m not counting on it, because my tournament games have been mostly garbage all week. My plan to earn the a-coins I need to purchase a set of carbines is not working out very well so far. In fact it’s not working at all. And I’m sure as crap not laying out the $$$ for them. Got a feeling I’m gonna be stagnating right where I am for a very long time, which is not exactly much of a motivator.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 25, 2020 11:30:29 GMT -5
Getting really, REALLY sick of this 「dookie」.
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