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Post by maddog2319 on Mar 15, 2017 6:21:01 GMT -5
I don't know about others but I am getting totally fed up with pilots with hangars of 3 or 4 high level/maxed out bots. Lately I have been in a number of matches where blue were well on top beacon wise then all of a sudden we are down to 3 vs 6 bots because pilots have meched out. After eventually losing the game (usually as last man standing against 6 reds) I check the team scores to find everyone on blue team is running hangars of 3 or 4 high level bots versus reds all with hangars of 4 or 5.
Getting that 5th slot should be made compulsory or something. I do not have any gold bots. Mine are all silver or wsp bots with level 7 or 8 weapons. I spent weeks grinding away to get that 5th slot whilst others obviously spent their gold on bots.
Come on people, surely that 5th slot is the most important purchase!
What do others think?
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Post by [apotheosis] on Mar 15, 2017 7:13:44 GMT -5
It is a fruatrating way to lose. For many people saving that long is tough.
I went 5th slot first and zero regrets were had.
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Post by soulcoffr on Mar 15, 2017 7:50:41 GMT -5
Now that I have my fifth slot, I notice it frequently. I think if you don't have it, it might not register as a problem.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Mar 15, 2017 8:17:23 GMT -5
Like OP, I've been in fights where everything was going swimmingly. The blue team had the advantage in beacons, and the battle was seemingly under control and in our favor. Then, within 60 seconds, the tide totally shifts as those 3 and 4-bot hangars mech out. Absolutely frustrating to the lone survivor.
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Post by loren on Mar 15, 2017 11:58:33 GMT -5
Like OP, I've been in fights where everything was going swimmingly. The blue team had the advantage in beacons, and the battle was seemingly under control and in our favor. Then, within 60 seconds, the tide totally shifts as those 3 and 4-bot hangars mech out. Absolutely frustrating to the lone survivor. My first 2 or 3 bots are spent capping/holding beacons. You can play more aggressive with that extra bot taking and holding beacons. That 5th slot will help more times then not, I made the mistake of getting a Rog over my 5th slot. To fix that I bought some Au before I spent the last 2500Au I saved. Once those bot slots turn dark you know a shift is coming, sometimes in your favor sometimes not.
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Post by unsullied300 on Mar 15, 2017 12:07:24 GMT -5
I don't want to say I'm well on my way to purchasing a 5th slot however I realized that the combination of bots I was using was turning me into bait for all the opposing players. So I decided it would be better for me to buy a Gareth and then continue saving up gold until I have enough for a 5th slot. The cost to benefit ratio was absolutely worth it and once I get that 5th slot, I won't feel bad when I get destroyed and there's one one payer on my team left and they had 5 slots.
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Post by Vectivus on Mar 15, 2017 12:16:54 GMT -5
By all means, send me some cash for that 5th slot and I'll get right on it. ;-)
I use 4 slots in Silver II, bots and equipment at 7. I only find myself 'meching out in maybe 1 out of 9 or 10 matches, I'd say. I'm not not rushed for the 5th slot, though certainly I'll enjoy it when I finally save up enough for it.
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 16, 2017 12:24:26 GMT -5
I was going to open a thread on a 5th slot rant and found this one....let me add my voice to the plea for expert and up players to get that 5th slot. On Dead City, we held the dominance bar lead throughout the game...The squads were pretty evenly matched.....but then with 2 minutes left in the game and the overall beacon and dominance bar lead, we mech'ed out and lost. The only difference? Our squad had 2 players with 4 slot hangers and the competition had none. Had I known we were going to be short handed, I wouldn't have pushed to take a 4 beacon lead and would have played more conservatively to keep my bots longer. I would say the 4 hanger players did great but mech'ed out early, giving the reds the advantage and allowed them to press us and kill us. GET THAT 5TH SLOT! IT'S A ?poo-poo?TY WAY TO LOSE IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES....HANDING THE VICTORY TO THE REDS!
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 19, 2017 22:05:10 GMT -5
Like one of the responses was about getting a Gareth, a lot of people skip the slot and go for super gear instead bc it us basically like a way to lose more (tank) and then gain lots of silver from doing high damage in lower skill matches. All the while they r easily able to convince themselves they r being 'strategic' bc the game forces 50% win rate anyway, and while they have their fun gear, they don't care that a 4 slot hangar eg would b unplayable at high competitive levels
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Post by nocluevok on Mar 19, 2017 22:53:06 GMT -5
Just a random thought, but why doesn't the MM balance the total number of bots in a match? It's one nanosecond of 1st grade math.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 12:01:10 GMT -5
I've seen an increase in the number people meching out with the recent MM and League changes. A painful number of my losses are coming from that (we're ahead battling battling still ahead battling look up where the 「fluffernutter」 did my team go? and we lose). If you don't have 5 slots you're eventually handicapping your team, not just yourself.
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Post by Dejnov on Mar 20, 2017 12:19:04 GMT -5
I was going to open a thread on a 5th slot rant and found this one....let me add my voice to the plea for expert and up players to get that 5th slot. I'd like to second boomsplat's rant here. If you're trying to get into Expert and still have 4 slots you're doing your teammates a disservice. I'm currently in Diamond I and in Diamond 2 and 3 I've seen many players (both reds and blues) at about 4 slots. At this level I understand, but as you go up in league rankings you have to get that 5th slot... Not having the 5th slot changes your perception and your ability to actively participate in winning. I have 5 slots (play up front knifers) and am usually one of the first to mech out. The 4 slot ones that beat me to meching out first are usually 4 knifers.... the ones that can last longer than me are the ones with a mid-ranger, but there they sit in their TT Fury or Zeus Carnage way way too long. They subconsciously know that if they switch/run knifers they'll get chewed up pretty quickly so they sit in range way too long. Those are the battles you look at afterwards and knew there was nothing you could do to actually win. The handicap was too severe on your side. The worst are the ones with 2 Lancelots or a Lancelot/Fury and only 4 slots.... sigh they get my goat (as I don't have either yet). Dejnov.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Mar 20, 2017 12:23:06 GMT -5
Lucky me, getting much gold for snowflakes and a Gareth, I have 5 slots...
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 20, 2017 13:03:32 GMT -5
Just a random thought, but why doesn't the MM balance the total number of bots in a match? It's one nanosecond of 1st grade math. I've seen some 4 slot hanger players outscore 5 slot hangers easily on a consistent basis.....so adding in slots as a metric may do a disservice to the MM. I just don't understand why an experienced 4 slot player wouldn't have that 5th slot in higher leagues....
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Mar 20, 2017 13:07:26 GMT -5
Just a random thought, but why doesn't the MM balance the total number of bots in a match? It's one nanosecond of 1st grade math. I've seen some 4 slot hanger players outscore 5 slot hangers easily on a consistent basis.....so adding in slots as a metric may do a disservice to the MM. I just don't understand why an experienced 4 slot player wouldn't have that 5th slot in higher leagues.... Because a shiney new bot is more attractive to some people, than a fifth slot with a Leo?
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 20, 2017 13:21:59 GMT -5
I've seen some 4 slot hanger players outscore 5 slot hangers easily on a consistent basis.....so adding in slots as a metric may do a disservice to the MM. I just don't understand why an experienced 4 slot player wouldn't have that 5th slot in higher leagues.... Because a shiney new bot is more attractive to some people, than a fifth slot with a Leo? Yeah....you're right. And then they mech out and screw their squad and probably blame the MM.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Mar 20, 2017 13:25:42 GMT -5
Because a shiney new bot is more attractive to some people, than a fifth slot with a Leo? Yeah....you're right. And then they mech out and screw their squad and probably blame the MM. Or the team members for not capping enough beacons.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 13:39:23 GMT -5
Got to have that 5th, can't play 5 card draw with only 4
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Post by Paps on Mar 20, 2017 16:07:56 GMT -5
Got to have that 5th, can't play 5 card draw with only 4 ^ THIS ^ I like this guy. Succinct while usin a poker analogy.
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Post by nocluevok on Mar 20, 2017 17:09:59 GMT -5
I've seen some 4 slot hanger players outscore 5 slot hangers easily on a consistent basis.....so adding in slots as a metric may do a disservice to the MM. I just don't understand why an experienced 4 slot player wouldn't have that 5th slot in higher leagues.... Because a shiney new bot is more attractive to some people, than a fifth slot with a Leo? Hey, my 5th...and 4th slots are Leo's!
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Post by maddog2319 on Mar 24, 2017 6:28:40 GMT -5
The other day I actually saw a 3 slot hanger with Griffin, Galahad etc all with fancy paint jobs too! What was the idiot thinking!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 7:50:57 GMT -5
Lol 「whiskey tango foxtrot」
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on May 1, 2017 5:34:34 GMT -5
Took nearly half my Au and bought a Rog instead of waiting and getting that 5th slot. Best Au I ever spent.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 1, 2017 9:06:06 GMT -5
Took nearly half my Au and bought a Rog instead of waiting and getting that 5th slot. Best Au I ever spent. See... it's all perspective. Like was said... you don't even realize what a boon that extra slot is b/c you don't have it. I'm not saying that intellectually you don't realize what a 5th will do... but strictly from the lack of experience you don't have either the mindset, nor the perspective, to see how the 5th is so dramatically better than almost every other Au purchase at any point in the game. Once you get it, you may change your mind. Until then, though, it just doesn't register. Either way... I have recently said the same as the OP in another thread.... nothing worse than knowing you are winning, dominating the beacon bar... fight a bit longer and look up and see you are all that is left. Then looking at the hangars afterwards and seeing 15000-20000 Au worth of bots and skins and weapons, and only 3-4 slots. It boggles the mind. I don't care how good those 3-4 are... you need 5. IMO, YMMV
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Post by Scuzzbopper on May 1, 2017 9:31:57 GMT -5
Teams with all players at 5 Slots win over lesser hanger depths 86.7% (652 matches sampled) of the time in Android Silver and low Gold (where I play and keep stats).
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on May 1, 2017 23:56:20 GMT -5
Well I'll just soldier on with 4 for now.
The large proliferation of anciles and Brit bots has curbed my enthusiasm for this game recently anyhow and I've seen the prototype dash bots and their capabilities up close. Yet more over powerful machines but with the added gimmick of being able to slide at incredibly fast speeds out of your targeting window. Screw that. Those get added to the game and I'm gone.
It's bad enough that anciles regenerate far faster than most weapons can reload and the shields on small and medium bots can take so much punishment that even a far more heavily armed bot or even bots can't even scratch them before becoming its lunch even when matched the same or close upgrade wise. You don't see a lot of that cr*p at the beginning where it was incredibly fun for me to play and get that feeling of old school mech vs mech warfare.
But I do see the advantage of a five slot hanger vs four or less. That is unless the five slotter has no anciles or shields and the four slotters do while both have same grade bots and piloting capabilities. Then I figure it's pretty much a cr*pshoot who wins between them.
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If Battle Titans lives up to the hype and intros this game may lose a lot of its players anyhow. 6 slots it will be for me then.
This game is getting gimmicky anyways and it doesn't appear that Pixonic is actually doing diddly about the match making or taking our concerns under consideration.
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Post by piginapoke on May 2, 2017 7:19:59 GMT -5
For that matter even War Robots had good videos and had a lot of hype so if you are going to look forward to a replacement game just because of the hype and just because you long for a replacement for the sake of the replacement then, I’m afraid it might mean that you like others have not learned from past experiences in the gaming world.
I too used to wait expectantly for a game and pay good money for it only to find that it played like a pile of horse dung. Sometimes I wanted a game so much that I would ignore the bad reviews and still buy it only to find myself playling with the last turkey in the shop.
Enjoy what you have now. Hey sure, we will all give the new game a whirl and if it is good I'll even put money in it just like I did with War Robots.
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Post by imnobody on May 2, 2017 7:57:02 GMT -5
freak that i aint going get 5th slot. Im saving up for a bully lancelot bot.
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Post by panzerblitzkrieg on May 4, 2017 13:02:30 GMT -5
So im a fairly new player siver 2 or 3 just from my perspective at the lower end to mid high brackets 4vs5 slots is just really a matter of gear vs what on average 120k hp (being about 1 mech) now i see the frustration in meching out and untill this event i only had 3 slot now 4 i see a small improvement on my damage and usefulness to my team but with tanktards and now event monkeys winning with 4vs5 mechs is just straight house odds i dont care who you are. That being said if you in a good clan and grouped up regularly then i 100% agree but if your yolo droping in these brackets your far better off with a big guns and good mechs then a 5th slot leo ...
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Post by imnobody on May 6, 2017 5:06:07 GMT -5
4 slots should be suffice in early leagues anything is under kill. If you can just get your weapons upgrade high in your four hangar slots and iron it out upgrade evenly then they're shouldn't be a problem with just having a four slot hangar. I've come to matches where one of my team (probably paid to win) had five slots, one Lancelot and a butch and we still lost!. Probably because he didn't upgrade his weapons across evenly.
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