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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 15, 2017 15:33:09 GMT -5
I. Introduction - Are you a Shark?
Are you a shark? When you are hunting do you feel like the Matchmaker gods is giving you nothing but other sharks? Sharks that are often bigger and badder than you when all you want to feed off some good old seal meat. Well then if that is you then this guide is for you! Gone are the old seal clubbing methods and in with new. I cannot guarantee you 10 gold per win but I can drastically increase your odds of getting at least 5 gold per game with the occasional extra gold or 5.
II. Initial Setup - How to get to Seal Beach
So we have established the fact that you are a shark. To get to the seals we need to get you out of the shark tank you swam in.
A. The Requirements or How to disguise yourself to look like a Baby Seal:
Cossacks and ECUs any other fast medium or light bots and an Ancile are good extras to have (More on those later).
Firstly, you need to get rid of all your Uber setups and dust off those Cossacks. If you don't have some well go buy some. Any other fast bots will help but Cossacks and ECUs work the best due to the fact that the Cossack is fast and can jump. It is recommended to have 4 or more slots as having 4 to 5 slots is really convenient when you expect to die often. An Ancile deserves some mention here as it increases the survivability of your beacon capper if it can mount it but is not required.
B. The Method or Swimming Against the Tide to get to the Seals:
This is easy. Just beacon cap period. Why do you ask? Well there are plenty of threads here that will explain that but the gist of it is you need to drop your average damage down preferably to below 90000 per game. Why not drop out during the match you ask, well I think Pix has put in a failsafe for guys dropping matches where those matches don't count to your total (needs confirmation) to prevent people from tanking their stats. Besides, you can easily win daily tasks(beacon captures) this way anyway and get 5 gold for beacon capping so why not.
III. The NEW Clubbing Method or How Club like PETA:
A. Solo Clubbing or the Early Bird Caps all the Beacons
After some games (probably 30 or so) your average damage should tank down below 100000. You will know you have hit your goal when Destriers will start popping up; Au and WSP bots start disappearing; Plasma becomes rare; and the player just get more stupid.
Now we can adjust your setup some. I recommend at least 3 beacon cappers and 1 or 2 reserve fast but relatively strong Assault bots. Gareths will now be more useful here as it can cap beacons and fight with reasonably well, stalkers are fine too but always keep a Cossak or two for maps like Springfeild and Yamantau (which by now should not spawn). Your job again here is too just take beacons. Don't bother fighting because to fight would mean to deal damage and if you deal enough damage the MM is gonna kick you up the tiers.
Special mention goes out to the Rhino, Carnage, Boa and Galahad due to their combination of speed and tankiness. These bots are excellent as reserve bots.
The only time I recommend that you shoot is if you encounter a shark on the Red team doing the same thing you are doing. In which case I recommend you take down only the beacon capping bots.
D. Team Seal Clubbing or the Squad that Clubs together gets all the Gold
Of course everything is better when done in teams as you can control the entire damage output of the squad. The method here is different so as to spread the gold around. I recommend a full squad to get the entire squads cooperation. The goal here for the team is to grab beacons and hold it while dealing as little damage as possible. Here is where those weird Ancile setups will truly shine. So grab your bot and go to your designated beacon, cap it and sit on it like a chicken on an egg.
E. Bots Setups for Holding on to Beacons or Turtling
Here are some recommended setup to try for holding on to beacons. The Ancile on anything that can mount it works (Double Ancile Carnage or an Ancile Raijin anyone? ). The Raijin and Fujiin are exceptional due to their inherent tankiness as well as the Lancelot and Galahad. But of course if you can't afford any of those a double ECU Leo will do in a Pinch. Now you are ready so just park you bot and laugh as those puny Destriers shoot you up with their molots and spirals.
Thoughts, suggestions and corrections are welcome. I will try to update the post as new information rolls in. Happy Clubbing
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Feb 15, 2017 15:39:32 GMT -5
I wanted to approve but this method requires ECU Cossacks.
Try again bro, good luck next time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 15:41:54 GMT -5
Abusing Cossacks. :-) Started using a whole run of beacon cappers to have some fun. Zeus Schlutze, Orkan Cossack, Plasma Gareth + Galahad and Rocket Galahad are a lot of fun.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 15, 2017 15:45:47 GMT -5
I wanted to approve but this method requires ECU Cossacks. Try again bro, good luck next time. Oh Cap if only a Gareth can jump and a Rog just ain't fast enough.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 15:55:56 GMT -5
Would some pictures help? I had this guy get 1 beacon and 26k damage last night on my team in a match against some high damage guys, so I peeked at his hangar... I think he read your guide! But he needed to get more beacons.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 15, 2017 16:03:16 GMT -5
Would some pictures help? I had this guy get 1 beacon and 26k damage last night on my team in a match against some high damage guys, so I peeked at his hangar... I think he read your guide! But he needed to get more beacons. The post is new relatively but looking at his average damage he has a long ways to go.
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Post by xj92 on Feb 15, 2017 16:09:46 GMT -5
People like you ruin this game even more...「fluffernutter」ing quit this bull「dookie」 already "the game can be gamed so lets do it because 「fluffernutter」 us right in the arse like my old pa did"
Get over yourselves and grow a pair, 「fluffernutter」ing 「roast beef」s.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 15, 2017 16:12:24 GMT -5
I see these tactics more so now, but not as much as the 0-0 score tankers. I guess I'll be seeing more of them now. Here's a pilot that is practicing this - after his Cossacks were killed she/he just stayed back with in Plasmahad the rest of the match and did very little. This method seems to take a lot of time and effort, but overall I think it's a valid tactic. I don't think it's a laudable tactic, but it's not against Pix rules and it's certainly better than tanking outright. My only question is ---- in the end, doesn't this method yield a LOT less silver than just maintaining a 400-600K average damage and having a win rate of 44-64%? BTW, IMO this pilot cause her/his team a loss as it was a close match from a points perspective aside from 1 non-performer. So while this tactic is not against Pixonic's rules, it probably screws your team to do basically zero damage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 16:23:51 GMT -5
Team Alpha Strike, very valid point. Also, had this guy used his 3 stronger bots more effectively (let alone using a full hangar), maybe he turns the tide for red. Your teams were close in damage and lots of beacons flipped, indicating the match was not a blowout. This method not only lowers your AG intake, but also drops your medal count substantially I would think? In addition to making a bad match for his random teammates, doesn't this behavior drag down clan standing?
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 15, 2017 16:27:03 GMT -5
Team Alpha Strike , very valid point. Also, had this guy used his 3 stronger bots more effectively (let alone using a full hangar), maybe he turns the tide for red. Your teams were close in damage and lots of beacons flipped, indicating the match was not a blowout. This method not only lowers your AG intake, but also drops your medal count substantially I would think? In addition to making a bad match for his random teammates, doesn't this behavior drag down clan standing? You can't control your team mates which is why I recommend doing it with a full squad. As for using your fighting bots you have to consider whether you can salvage the situation solo or if it is a lost cause. There is really no way to control all the factors solo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 16:34:14 GMT -5
gr3ygh05t, your OP is well written, and often clever... but I am not a big fan of this technique, and I do not appreciate getting teammates that do this when in solo or partial squads.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 15, 2017 16:36:54 GMT -5
gr3ygh05t , your OP is well written, and often clever... but I am not a big fan of this technique, and I do not appreciate getting teammates that do this when in solo or partial squads. Hate the game man not the player. I actually want more people to do this so Pix can fix this travesty of system we call match maker
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 16:41:37 GMT -5
And I want less people to do this, as it detracts from the game. I have hate for neither the game, nor the player... gr3ygh05t, please understand that no system will ever be perfect, either in War Robots, or in RL. Finding and exploiting loopholes is just not something I do, nor endorse, and is not a behavior I admire in those around me. Cheers to you.
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Post by whatttupG on Feb 15, 2017 17:05:39 GMT -5
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 15, 2017 17:21:44 GMT -5
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Feb 15, 2017 17:38:20 GMT -5
gr3ygh05t , your OP is well written, and often clever... but I am not a big fan of this technique, and I do not appreciate getting teammates that do this when in solo or partial squads. Hate the game man not the player. I actually want more people to do this so Pix can fix this travesty of system we call match maker I refuse to do so myself, but I have to agree, if enough people exploit the new system to the point that it affects Pixo's profitability, they'll have to do something about it. These are scumbag tactics, for real, but still, shades of grey. Not as bad as idling, but worse than focusing on beacon captures.
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Post by whatttupG on Feb 15, 2017 17:44:33 GMT -5
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Post by whatttupG on Feb 15, 2017 17:56:20 GMT -5
Scumbag... ouch... this is how the game works today, why name call? Besides, OP's humor included a PETA flavored version... a pacifists guide to clubbing... that there is funny.
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Post by Nitro on Feb 15, 2017 17:57:28 GMT -5
The only reason I would do this is to get back to those actual fair matches where I win some and lose some, not lose by a total landslide every match. Besides, cruising around in cossacks is kinda relaxing, I'll look into it.
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Post by carnage on Feb 16, 2017 7:45:51 GMT -5
Well I usually never, ever, subscribe to this kind of tactics. But frankly, the MM is so lame that I would definitely start to think about this kind of strategy. It's totally lame, but you know, I'm a bit tired to be massacred by Triple-Trebs Fury before I can even touch the first beacon in half of my games.
For sure when your robot is level 6 and your enemy is level 12, it's a lot of fun... for the opponent, maybe. But it's really no fun to play that's for sure. So if I have to use lame tactics to start enjoying the game, well the MM will not really give me choice unfortunately.
It's that, or stopping the game unfortunately. I really like the game, but the MM definitely kills pleasure currently.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 16, 2017 9:00:56 GMT -5
What do we do with all the new players who come here and start threads that the MM is broken/sucks because they are getting gang jumped by people using your wonderful advice? I have seen some here that up and quit the game over it just a month playing. The sooner that Pix moves against this the better. It is clearly damaging their business and sending away potential paying customers. Ill keep saying it: the MM is working fine. It's this behavior, promoted on a mass scale, that is making this game suck. Its clear who is ruining the game.
And you can stop justifying tanking by saying the MM is broken...The MM is broken because of tanking.. Get it straight.
I am a paying customer to this game and this tactic ruins the game for me...
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Post by carnage on Feb 16, 2017 9:28:43 GMT -5
Don't understand your logic here. I never tanked, not once, so far. What I see, and I'm really not the only one, is that because of a relatively high level of damages, I started getting unfair games in which I was literally massacred by robots having sometimes twice the level of my bots and weapons, and weapons that I have ZERO chance to buy for myself. Is that a good MM for you ?
Rockwelde, I fully respect the fact you are older in that game than me. But I don't understand why you keep defending this MM. It doesn't make sense, at all. Compare with car games, you always have categories by cars, right ? Do you know why ? Because that is the basics of a fair game and that is how a good MM work. That's what should have been done here, and that was certainly possible (I already explained how).
The reality is that Pix have a great game in their hand, but they took a terrible decision for the MM. Now the question is to know if they will have the courage and ability to accept their mistake and correct it, or if they will refuse facing reality and keep progressing with this MM. Unfortunately at this point, it seems to be the later more than the former.
In the meantime, please don't judge people if they try finding ways to enjoy the game. Not everybody have such a nice hangar as you. I'm being massacred half of the time out there with my level 6 bots and believe me, it is not enjoyable, at all. The only reason why I didn't give up already is the hope that things will chance somehow, one day.
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Post by duckdecoy on Feb 16, 2017 10:01:24 GMT -5
Saw Batman today.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 16, 2017 10:11:40 GMT -5
carnage The new MM is lacking one thing: Rewards/penalties restructuring. Once this is in place tanking won't have much of an appeal. I don't defend a "broken" MM, I like it. 'Don't tell others how to enjoy the game' you say? Why am I forced to sit through one, two and even three boneheads tanking the game I'm In. Tankers decisions to tank pretty much forces those consequences on me. If you enjoy screwing other people trying to play the game, as it was intended, then one who does this needs to seriously think about that for a second. At any rate, Pix is bringing the measures to deal with this soon enough. I won't have to state the obvious on this much longer.
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Post by duckdecoy on Feb 16, 2017 10:38:01 GMT -5
Gold farming as described in the first post is unsustainable as more smurfs join in. Someone starts shooting and the side with fewer level 2 and 3 players wins. Soon it'll be smurf turf wars down in noobieland.
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Post by carnage on Feb 16, 2017 10:41:57 GMT -5
Rockwelde, let's forget tankers for a second. You don't like them, I don't like them, fine. What I am saying is that the problem is bigger than that. When I play a Nascar game, I want to have Nascars facing me and an even field. When I play a Formula 1 game, I want to have Formula 1 facing me and an even field. I would not enjoy playing a Nascar facing Formula One with absolutely zero chance of winning, with the only hope to get "somewhere in the standings" not to be humiliated by finishing dead last. That is exactly what this MM is doing currently.
To each his own, but I strongly suspect there is much more people thinking like me, than you on that topic. Pix should not ignore that.
All we want is a fair game really... nothing less, nothing more. A value-based MM with transparent categories would offer that perfectly, a damage-based MM is a total heresy in that regard. It's really not more complicated than that, in the end.
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Post by critter667 on Feb 16, 2017 10:43:15 GMT -5
I am confused by something mentioned in the guide. There is a claim that if you reach a low enough damage average, the Map Yamanta (sp?) will not spawn for you (or you will not be placed on that map). Is this accurate and confirmed? Do certain maps not spawn for certain groups?
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 16, 2017 10:48:53 GMT -5
I am confused by something mentioned in the guide. There is a claim that if you reach a low enough damage average, the Map Yamanta (sp?) will not spawn for you (or you will not be placed on that map). Is this accurate and confirmed? Do certain maps not spawn for certain groups? On the previous match making system Yamantau (aka the snow map) is a "silver tier" map and will not appear below that level. You can check previous posts regarding the old match making system for more info. Under this new system I have not seen it spawn on damage average below 100000 so far (20 or so games).
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Post by critter667 on Feb 16, 2017 10:58:15 GMT -5
Thank you. That is something I did not know. It's also interesting to see that PIX added the code to limit maps in this manner.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 16, 2017 11:31:39 GMT -5
The proof is in the pudding (note 400k damage is a little overkill. I should have held back a bit).
And here are the seals that I hunt:
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