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Post by Strayed on Feb 5, 2017 1:18:26 GMT -5
That's not bypassing the profanity filter, your way of spelling s*** with periods was.
And also, guys, please refrain from personal insults, all of you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 1:35:06 GMT -5
Strayed I didn't know that wasn't allowed, so I went back and changed one of my posts. Because I had used periods for a cuss word. Learn something new everyday. I just don't like to cuss, unless I stub my toe in the middle of the night or hit my thumb with a hammer. **not related to this thread.
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Feb 5, 2017 1:41:39 GMT -5
I miss when this forum was rather brand-new and didn't have that much people. Is there a reason this(and quite a lot of other threads) aren't in Rants section? There should be a popup when creating a new thread; "Is this a rant? If so, go to the Rants section. ".
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 5, 2017 2:04:55 GMT -5
I miss when this forum was rather brand-new and didn't have that much people. Why? I'm loving seeing so many new faces offering their insights and opinions. A closed community tends to stagnate and die, but I'm keen to hear your thoughts.
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Feb 5, 2017 2:15:12 GMT -5
I miss when this forum was rather brand-new and didn't have that much people. Why? I'm loving seeing so many new faces offering their insights and opinions. A closed community tends to stagnate and die, but I'm keen to hear your thoughts. It's somewhat an overreaction, but I like that the forum is(read:felt) more orderly than it is now. I entered during Nov 2016-ish.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 5, 2017 2:23:51 GMT -5
Why are you accusing me of clubbing? I was fighting op hangers b4 mm changed and I still am. I don't win every game down here either since alot of gold league players for some reason are down here to. I fail to see your reasoning? Would you prefer me to play 60 plus games to get down here? I was at 98% b4 mm change. Think the real question should be do I wanna rip the band aid off fast or slow. I see you prefer slow. Idc what my % win rate or damage is never have. I simply play for fun. It seems you don't since you take it too serious. Have fun pulling your band aid slowly. School is my top priority right now, and I am in no way 'serious' about this game, and I never had a band aid in the first place. why I am accusing you of clubbing is that you 1. Own 5 geps and 2. Had a 98% percent win rate (some OP hangars you must have been fighting, huh?) I kinda got lost after the whole band aid metaphor and whatnot, you Aren't very easy to understand. But I think you said something about playing with gold tier players? After amassing enough AU for five Gepards (and 15 aphids), you could easily be in gold tier if you weren't focused on clubbing I ran 3/9 gepards I had the lowest hanger score unless someone ran a real unbalanced hanger. So how am I getting 98% with botz better than me? Figure it out for yourself.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 5, 2017 2:27:32 GMT -5
Having the lowest hangar score is kinda the point of running 3/9 geps isn't it? Even if 3/9 geps had a lower hangar score than, for say, 5/4 mediums, they were much more effective at that level.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 5, 2017 2:33:29 GMT -5
Strayed I didn't know that wasn't allowed, so I went back and changed one of my posts. Because I had used periods for a cuss word. Learn something new everyday. I just don't like to cuss, unless I stub my toe in the middle of the night or hit my thumb with a hammer. **not related to this thread. Thanks for that, didn't see that.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 5, 2017 2:34:05 GMT -5
Think people are missing the point this mm is bad because it supports upheaval and exploitation. Because the more chaotic the game is the more dummies buy gold. Seems like alot of TT players are whining too much that the people they are sealclubbing are leaving by tanking. Honestly go figure
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Post by odin63 on Feb 5, 2017 2:34:38 GMT -5
Why is it I keep seeing posts that call 4/9 gep hangars clubbers? As I've posted (and seen posted by others with similar hangars,) numerous times, I'd only played silver tier with my hangar before the recent mm fiasco. The matches all contained a plethora of bots, lights, mediums, and heavies, with an abundance of griffs and leos, and fair competition. As a former 4/9 gepper, I have also never deliberately clubbed or tanked a single game with the intention of exploiting an mm loophole or otherwise. I think the clubbers were actually those with 1/9 - 2/9 gep hangars that kept them in bronze, and they usually ran as clans. So, it never seemed odd to you that the only people who didn't call 4/9 gep hangars a 'clubber' was the people using them? though I do understand it wasn't your intention, that is considered clubbing No, I didn't find it odd. That's probably because we actually know what we're going up against in our matches instead of reading other people's erroneous assertions. Clubbing is choosing to willfully beat down lesser opponents due to a glitch in mm. I would be clubbing with my hangar if I kept my bots and weps at a level which put me at a clear advantage over the other bots I faced. This never happened to me as a silver tier player, so I wasn't clubbing intentionally or otherwise.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 5, 2017 2:43:35 GMT -5
Having the lowest hangar score is kinda the point of running 3/9 geps isn't it? Even if 3/9 geps had a lower hangar score than, for say, 5/4 mediums, they were much more effective at that level. If people are running 5/4 mediums wouldnt you agree they were not properly informed on how to build a hanger? And wouldn't it be better for those people to view my profile and compare and hopefully learn better ratios on how to build a hanger. Fortunately your argument is weak because most of the hangers I face is lvl6 bots and higher with lvl 7 or 8 weapons of higher,and most are huge bots not medium. I'm still confused why your defending such a exploitative mm system.
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 5, 2017 2:50:38 GMT -5
School is my top priority right now, and I am in no way 'serious' about this game, and I never had a band aid in the first place. why I am accusing you of clubbing is that you 1. Own 5 geps and 2. Had a 98% percent win rate (some OP hangars you must have been fighting, huh?) I kinda got lost after the whole band aid metaphor and whatnot, you Aren't very easy to understand. But I think you said something about playing with gold tier players? After amassing enough AU for five Gepards (and 15 aphids), you could easily be in gold tier if you weren't focused on clubbing I ran 3/9 gepards I had the lowest hanger score unless someone ran a real unbalanced hanger. So how am I getting 98% with botz better than me? Figure it out for yourself. A "real unbalanced hangar." Unlike 3/9 Geps, naturally.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 5, 2017 2:53:31 GMT -5
What really kills me about you anti tanking people is that you think the problem is the people that do it,instead of the MM system that created the need for those people to tank.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 5, 2017 2:55:49 GMT -5
Having the lowest hangar score is kinda the point of running 3/9 geps isn't it? Even if 3/9 geps had a lower hangar score than, for say, 5/4 mediums, they were much more effective at that level. If people are running 5/4 mediums wouldnt you agree they were not properly informed on how to build a hanger? And wouldn't it be better for those people to view my profile and compare and hopefully learn better ratios on how to build a hanger. Fortunately your argument is weak because most of the hangers I face is lvl6 bots and higher with lvl 7 or 8 weapons of higher,and most are huge bots not medium. I'm still confused why your defending such a exploitative mm system. Yes, they are not properly informed, however, 3/9 is not how you build a competitive hangar for the higher tiers. For one, they most likely won't view your profile as they will probably just exit out of the match screen and join another game. Next, they would most likely be drawn away from the game due to perceived pay to win. Actually, I was just providing an example, you have not mentioned that your opponents were 6/7 or 6/8 before. And even then, they were most likely poorly piloted 6/7-8 bots as 3/9 is low silver while 6/7-8 is high silver-low gold. Where did I say that I was defending it? I purposefully mentioned that I would not be playing with my top tier hangar until after Pixo has fixed the mm. I have actually not defended the mm even once. The only thing I have done is state my opinions on tankers.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 5, 2017 2:58:06 GMT -5
So, it never seemed odd to you that the only people who didn't call 4/9 gep hangars a 'clubber' was the people using them? though I do understand it wasn't your intention, that is considered clubbing No, I didn't find it odd. That's probably because we actually know what we're going up against in our matches instead of reading other people's erroneous assertions. Clubbing is choosing to willfully beat down lesser opponents due to a glitch in mm. I would be clubbing with my hangar if I kept my bots and weps at a level which put me at a clear advantage over the other bots I faced. This never happened to me as a silver tier player, so I wasn't clubbing intentionally or otherwise. So having weapons 5 levels higher than noobs is fair? that isn't an advantage in your eyes? I take it you don't know what you were going up against. And isn't carefully making sure your weapons were just a high enough level so you could get into lower tiers fall under your definition of clubbing? I don't really care if you say you didn't mean to go up against lower level players, the point is, you were, and it wasn't fair on them
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 5, 2017 3:03:43 GMT -5
School is my top priority right now, and I am in no way 'serious' about this game, and I never had a band aid in the first place. why I am accusing you of clubbing is that you 1. Own 5 geps and 2. Had a 98% percent win rate (some OP hangars you must have been fighting, huh?) I kinda got lost after the whole band aid metaphor and whatnot, you Aren't very easy to understand. But I think you said something about playing with gold tier players? After amassing enough AU for five Gepards (and 15 aphids), you could easily be in gold tier if you weren't focused on clubbing I ran 3/9 gepards I had the lowest hanger score unless someone ran a real unbalanced hanger. So how am I getting 98% with botz better than me? Figure it out for yourself. I'm confused, was that post supposed to make sence? Not even joking, I don't have a 「fluffernutter」in clue what you just said XP
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Post by odin63 on Feb 5, 2017 3:17:30 GMT -5
No, I didn't find it odd. That's probably because we actually know what we're going up against in our matches instead of reading other people's erroneous assertions. Clubbing is choosing to willfully beat down lesser opponents due to a glitch in mm. I would be clubbing with my hangar if I kept my bots and weps at a level which put me at a clear advantage over the other bots I faced. This never happened to me as a silver tier player, so I wasn't clubbing intentionally or otherwise. So having weapons 5 levels higher than noobs is fair? that isn't an advantage in your eyes? I take it you don't know what you were going up against. And isn't carefully making sure your weapons were just a high enough level so you could get into lower tiers fall under your definition of clubbing? I don't really care if you say you didn't mean to go up against lower level players, the point is, you were, and it wasn't fair on them Do you even read the posts you respond to? Read it again slowly so you can understand it. I played against silver tier competition. I didn't play against noobs or lower level players in bronze. All players were at least level 20 with bots that were equal to or superior to the ones I ran. Mostly britbots, griffs, leos, stalkers, and other geps that could easily take mine out one on one. Mine were faster than most, which is why I preferred them. I do know what I was playing against. What amazes me is that you think that you know too.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 5, 2017 3:28:30 GMT -5
If people are running 5/4 mediums wouldnt you agree they were not properly informed on how to build a hanger? And wouldn't it be better for those people to view my profile and compare and hopefully learn better ratios on how to build a hanger. Fortunately your argument is weak because most of the hangers I face is lvl6 bots and higher with lvl 7 or 8 weapons of higher,and most are huge bots not medium. I'm still confused why your defending such a exploitative mm system. Yes, they are not properly informed, however, 3/9 is not how you build a competitive hangar for the higher tiers. For one, they most likely won't view your profile as they will probably just exit out of the match screen and join another game. Next, they would most likely be drawn away from the game due to perceived pay to win. Actually, I was just providing an example, you have not mentioned that your opponents were 6/7 or 6/8 before. And even then, they were most likely poorly piloted 6/7-8 bots as 3/9 is low silver while 6/7-8 is high silver-low gold. Where did I say that I was defending it? I purposefully mentioned that I would not be playing with my top tier hangar until after Pixo has fixed the mm. I have actually not defended the mm even once. The only thing I have done is state my opinions on tankers. First of all I apologize for mistaking your stance on mm. 2ndly yes 3/9 gepards are what I would consider a good example of what to build for the old silver tier. Lvl3 botz because weapons don't get shot off. You sacrifice speed and armor for durability of weapons. Which forces you to learn to move all the time and nvr stop. Lvl 9 weapons which put you in the top of your tier which was low and mid silver blending with high silver. Lvl 9 weapons is also what you want to have if you decide to move up to TT with your botz.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 5, 2017 3:49:04 GMT -5
Yeah well I don't need to touch fire to know it's hot either. If you can't see this is a money grab by pix by now I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you. I did look at the pixonic FB didn't see anything about penalties. I did see a video made for them about how they are going to cater to whales and their strategies on how they will work over players to get more money from them. Honestly some of you guys seem so brainwashed. Lol join the pixonic you will be assimilated Into the TT collective. I love playing the small botz, I love playing competitive. Sorry u don't feel that way or you wouldn't want lvl 3 gepards with lvl 9 weapons playing with your 12/12 What happened, my argument directed at you was to hard to make a come back, so you went to one I said to someone else? and I never said it wasn't a ploy to gain money. Everything the devs do with War Robots is to gain money. Are they not aloud to profit? Do you think the magic game development fairies pay them for making the game? I very rarely spend money on the game, and am no where near a TT hangar. Speaking of whales, are you saying you earnt 17, 250 gold to buy 5 geps+15 aphids without spending money? and I don't get how the MM was a money grab. All it has done is given (from my personal experience, and quite a few others) better, more challenging, match ups. Though any match where you can't just charge into enemies and hold the red button and win isn't fair by your standards, huh? funny how the people who spend the money for 5 geps and don't win complain about how the new MM is P2W. I mean, if it was, your gep hangars would be fine Did I miss one of your witty comebacks I'll have to scroll back. 2nd you make alot of assumptions and innuendo about me that simply isn't true. Please learn to stick to facts. Then again maybe I just thought you weren't worth commenting back to since every point you've made is weak.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 3:59:35 GMT -5
Waste not thy time in windy argument but let the matter drop.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 5, 2017 4:42:25 GMT -5
What happened, my argument directed at you was to hard to make a come back, so you went to one I said to someone else? and I never said it wasn't a ploy to gain money. Everything the devs do with War Robots is to gain money. Are they not aloud to profit? Do you think the magic game development fairies pay them for making the game? I very rarely spend money on the game, and am no where near a TT hangar. Speaking of whales, are you saying you earnt 17, 250 gold to buy 5 geps+15 aphids without spending money? and I don't get how the MM was a money grab. All it has done is given (from my personal experience, and quite a few others) better, more challenging, match ups. Though any match where you can't just charge into enemies and hold the red button and win isn't fair by your standards, huh? funny how the people who spend the money for 5 geps and don't win complain about how the new MM is P2W. I mean, if it was, your gep hangars would be fine Did I miss one of your witty comebacks I'll have to scroll back. 2nd you make alot of assumptions and innuendo about me that simply isn't true. Please learn to stick to facts. Then again maybe I just thought you weren't worth commenting back to since every point you've made is weak. 'Weak'? Hmmm...is this one of those piss weak excuses because you can't actually counter my argument? For the seventh flipping time, actually answer instead of insulting me. (P.S I'm pretty sure that if you have said it about yourself, it's a fact)
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 5, 2017 5:18:47 GMT -5
Did I miss one of your witty comebacks I'll have to scroll back. 2nd you make alot of assumptions and innuendo about me that simply isn't true. Please learn to stick to facts. Then again maybe I just thought you weren't worth commenting back to since every point you've made is weak. 'Weak'? Hmmm...is this one of those piss weak excuses because you can't actually counter my argument? For the seventh flipping time, actually answer instead of insulting me. (P.S I'm pretty sure that if you have said it about yourself, it's a fact) Since reading seems to be to tough for you since your questions have already been answered try watching instead
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 5, 2017 5:25:28 GMT -5
'Weak'? Hmmm...is this one of those piss weak excuses because you can't actually counter my argument? For the seventh flipping time, actually answer instead of insulting me. (P.S I'm pretty sure that if you have said it about yourself, it's a fact) Since reading seems to be to tough for you since your questions have already been answered try watching instead Not really. You didn't even answer the post you quoted.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 5, 2017 6:31:15 GMT -5
Since reading seems to be to tough for you since your questions have already been answered try watching instead Not really. You didn't even answer the post you quoted. Well then perhaps you could be more specific on which question you keep referring to since it appears you've quoted me quite a bit. Instead of acting like a fail troll.
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Post by bearre on Feb 5, 2017 8:42:37 GMT -5
This argument will never be resolved. For many like myself who were taught and raised with the concepts; "It's not about winning its how You play the game", "there's no I in team " "It's all about being a team player" tanking is disgusting and wrong.
A few however believe joining a team inparts no obligation. Nothing maters but serving their self interest.
This is like a Hindu from India trying to explain to a man from the US that barbecuing and eating a steak is a horrible atrocity. They have completely different values and beliefs.
What this will come down to is how the majority of the population feels. Like any community the majority of the people will decide what conduct is acceptable and demand laws be made to enforce it. Pixonic being the game developers could also decide to make a ruling on what they find acceptable in their game.
If this thread has accomplished anything it has shown how passionately people feel about this and how the majority of people in this forum feel.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 5, 2017 8:42:55 GMT -5
Now coming back to tanking: I listed out specific reasons due to which I tank upto a certain point. No tactics work when your bots are outclassed. When a 12/12 Rogatka kills my average Lance in one salvo thats when I decide to tank. When a Zeus Carnage burns half health of my Griffin in 10 secs thats when I decide to tank. This is very different than the tanking this thread criticizes, which is people who start matches with every intention of clicking 'Leave Match' before they even know what map they are playing, let alone if there are things about a particular match they don't like (please reread the OP if you thought it was about leaving a specific match because of problems with that match in particular). No one owes the other eleven players specific or predictable tactics, and if other players are abusive to the game then I'd even argue you have every right simply to leave the match at that point (although not everyone may agree). I also don't just quit, I throw in my bots without any tactics and then quit because that is much more fun then just sitting idle. And that is a good learning experience when you disrupt the enemy lines with aggressive maneuvers. That is as much as anyone could ask in the situations you described previously. Heck, it's more than many players contribute on their best days. Again, no one owes their fellow 11 players a specific standard of entertainment - but we all owe it to the game not to start something with the clear intention of not finishing, in the (vain?) attempt to gain some form of downstream advantage by exploiting loopholes in the platform. That is the "tanking" the OP called out in his original post.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 5, 2017 8:59:53 GMT -5
I ran 3/9 gepards I had the lowest hanger score unless someone ran a real unbalanced hanger. So how am I getting 98% with botz better than me? Figure it out for yourself. Let me help you: They didn't have bots better than you. They just didn't spend money (or several months) to acquire gold to acquire overpowered bots that the old MM would allow to play against inferior competition. Under the old MM, low level Gepards with high level weapons were treated exactly like Pattons, except with higher health, much higher speed, and higher damage output (25% fewer hardpoints but >50% higher damage per weapon). Telling yourself that the opposition had superior equipment is delusional. yes 3/9 gepards are what I would consider a good example of what to build for the old silver tier. Lvl3 botz because weapons don't get shot off. You sacrifice speed and armor for durability of weapons. Which forces you to learn to move all the time and nvr stop. Exactly how much speed were you sacrificing to run Gepards at level 3? They start off with maximum speed at level 1, which includes having far more speed than any other robot could achieve in that "tier" of competition (because the only other options were Stalker or Gareth, both of which need higher levels to achieve that speed and both of which also had a MM penalty). By the way, there wasn't even much of an armor sacrifice for that bot before Pix realigned HP upgrades for all bots. L3 Gepards enjoyed more armor than most bots in that tier as well (all other lights, Patton, Golem). So you had pretty much every advantage possible using what was essentially a P2W setup. Despite claiming to have been pretty smart about how they game worked and should worked, it seems to me that all you were doing was applying a well-known but unsportsmanlike recipe for abusing the game - and apparently you didn't even understand why it worked. Cheating. You'd be "brudelly" clueless to think otherwise.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 5, 2017 9:32:05 GMT -5
I ran 3/9 gepards I had the lowest hanger score unless someone ran a real unbalanced hanger. So how am I getting 98% with botz better than me? Figure it out for yourself. Let me help you: They didn't have bots better than you. They just didn't spend money (or several months) to acquire gold to acquire overpowered bots that the old MM would allow to play against inferior competition. Under the old MM, low level Gepards with high level weapons were treated exactly like Pattons, except with higher health, much higher speed, and higher damage output (25% fewer hardpoints but >50% higher damage per weapon). Telling yourself that the opposition had superior equipment is delusional. yes 3/9 gepards are what I would consider a good example of what to build for the old silver tier. Lvl3 botz because weapons don't get shot off. You sacrifice speed and armor for durability of weapons. Which forces you to learn to move all the time and nvr stop. Exactly how much speed were you sacrificing to run Gepards at level 3? They start off with maximum speed at level 1, which includes having far more speed than any other robot could achieve in that "tier" of competition (because the only other options were Stalker or Gareth, both of which need higher levels to achieve that speed and both of which also had a MM penalty). By the way, there wasn't even much of an armor sacrifice for that bot before Pix realigned HP upgrades for all bots. L3 Gepards enjoyed more armor than most bots in that tier as well (all other lights, Patton, Golem). So you had pretty much every advantage possible using what was essentially a P2W setup. Despite claiming to have been pretty smart about how they game worked and should worked, it seems to me that all you were doing was applying a well-known but unsportsmanlike recipe for abusing the game - and apparently you didn't even understand why it worked. Cheating. You'd be "brudelly" clueless to think otherwise. So to sum it up you agree 3/9 gepards are a great bot to play in the old silver tier.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 5, 2017 9:35:47 GMT -5
To bully around the newbies...
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 5, 2017 9:52:21 GMT -5
To bully around the newbies... If I wanted to bully the newbies, the new mm would allow me to do that now with TT botz. Again a sheer lack of understanding of what kind of botz 3/9 gepards faced.
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