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Post by throwaway on Feb 4, 2017 9:00:29 GMT -5
Okay so about tanking; if I constantly face 12/12 hangers every once in a while then everyone and their daddys and pixonic devs and accountants and managers be damn sure that I am going to tank my win and kill rate to a point that I face fair competition.
I was never a seal clubber and I never tried to game the system but if my 2 Lances are going to look like pieces of garbage in most of my matches then you be damn sure that I am going to tank my win rate.
And you know what, I am actually doing a favor to everyone by tanking; they will lose much quickly and their time will be saved.
When I see random player names getting Lances and Furies and some 3000 gold and all I am getting every single time is junk in a stupid lottery then I will do everything to game the system.
If you are on android playing in lower gold then I might have made possible so many wins for you in the past but if my skills are going to be worth s.h.i.t in this new elo mm system then I will be damned if not gaming the system to my advantage.
Oh and someone mentioned player 'code'; what the hell dude there is no code there is either win or lose;there is either satisfaction or humiliation. You may have been farmed in your growing days but its your fault that you kept playing instead of quitting from those games.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 4, 2017 9:12:43 GMT -5
While that may be true of most, the ones that feel the need to defend the practice must care what others think of it and of them. Most people who don't seem to care what others think are usually just pretending. Humans are, by their very nature, social creatures. Why else are we all here? In this case, they just care, what others think oft them. That's why they are trying to justify their doing.
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Post by bearre on Feb 4, 2017 9:38:15 GMT -5
Okay so about tanking; if I constantly face 12/12 hangers every once in a while then everyone and their daddys and pixonic devs and accountants and managers be damn sure that I am going to tank my win and kill rate to a point that I face fair competition. I was never a seal clubber and I never tried to game the system but if my 2 Lances are going to look like pieces of garbage in most of my matches then you be damn sure that I am going to tank my win rate. And you know what, I am actually doing a favor to everyone by tanking; they will lose much quickly and their time will be saved. When I see random player names getting Lances and Furies and some 3000 gold and all I am getting every single time is junk in a stupid lottery then I will do everything to game the system. If you are on android playing in lower gold then I might have made possible so many wins for you in the past but if my skills are going to be worth s.h.i.t in this new elo mm system then I will be damned if not gaming the system to my advantage. Oh and someone mentioned player 'code'; what the hell dude there is no code there is either win or lose;there is either satisfaction or humiliation. You may have been farmed in your growing days but its your fault that you kept playing instead of quitting from those games. I personally have posted numerous threads about the unfair matches I have received in the new MM system. It sucks when my five 6/7 bots are facing 8/10s and higher. Still I try to contribute and try to stay with the pack adding my fire power, as small as it is, to the squad. It is just not in me to give up and do nothing. My win rate is currently 54% fourteen lower than before the new system. But even without tanking and despite having games lost due to tankers,I'm winning more than losing. I'm winning less gold now but still got my 5 bot hanger about five to six weeks into the game. For me thats acceptable progress. I dont need to tank to win or to progress. As far as running light bots, I have seen it done successfully vs high level heavies. I have seen geps and stalkers working as a pack very successfully. You just can't charge straight at that 10/12 heavy solo. We have all faced the same issues with the new mm. We all play the same game. Only a few have chosen to try to exploit the system by tanking and in the process throw games others are trying hard to win. Incidentally this makes it even harder for this obviously flawed system to calculate accurate data. In summary you are not going to convince anyone here you have to tank. The entire community is in the same environment and only an annoying few have resorted to that behavior.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 10:15:27 GMT -5
Okay so about tanking; if I constantly face 12/12 hangers every once in a while then everyone and their daddys and pixonic devs and accountants and managers be damn sure that I am going to tank my win and kill rate to a point that I face fair competition. I was never a seal clubber and I never tried to game the system but if my 2 Lances are going to look like pieces of garbage in most of my matches then you be damn sure that I am going to tank my win rate. And you know what, I am actually doing a favor to everyone by tanking; they will lose much quickly and their time will be saved. When I see random player names getting Lances and Furies and some 3000 gold and all I am getting every single time is junk in a stupid lottery then I will do everything to game the system. If you are on android playing in lower gold then I might have made possible so many wins for you in the past but if my skills are going to be worth s.h.i.t in this new elo mm system then I will be damned if not gaming the system to my advantage. Oh and someone mentioned player 'code'; what the hell dude there is no code there is either win or lose;there is either satisfaction or humiliation. You may have been farmed in your growing days but its your fault that you kept playing instead of quitting from those games. This was stated perfectly and I couldn't agree more. However don't expect to convince any of these wikitrolls who can't think critically, and can only repeat the phrase "clubbing is bad". They think "everyone" agrees with them because they all shout the same thing back and forth on this forum. Everyone who tanks is actually doing the game a service by pressuring Pixonic to fix the MM more quickly. Even though Pix won't because they don't care about fairness anymore just money. Obvious cash grab is obvious.
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Post by throwaway on Feb 4, 2017 10:31:09 GMT -5
I am not here to convince anyone. I posted replies because I have read too many people complaining and name shaming players who are tanking. Well here I am giving voice to some of those legit tankers and I say I am going to do it and and no one can do jack **** about it.
When folks here don't even have the decency to refrain from naming actual players then they should not complain about tankers. Most of you are complaining because tankers are exactly the people who make wins happen and when they are gone then complainers lose because they don't have what it takes to make a win happen but hey its the tanker's fault that they lost; well boo f*** hoo.
If you say that you are mostly winning even in a 4-5 member team then kudos to you my friend; those must be sweet victories to cherish. But if someone sees halfway into the game that you can't win then just quit and start another battle. But instead they chose to endure the punishment to wait for the results to come up and name shame the tankers.
I pay real money to support pixonic and the developers who have created this awesome game. I pay because I am a developer as well and I know that people need to be rewarded and paid for creating good content. But me paying is the exact reason that I am expecting good time when I am playing; by good time I don't mean to steam-roll players I expect to have a level playing field.
When the new mm came out then I was laughing at people who were celebrating that it is the end of clubbers. Well folks here is the news: clubbing will never stop. There will always be ways to game the system. All you can do is either play through and endure the humiliation or quit the game if its unfair.
EDIT: And what good are the mods when you allow name shaming; there is an entire thread dedicated to this nonsense. Some of you are even participating in this bull?poo-poo?. This is a good forum which I regularly follow for updates and new experiences by players. But some things really turn me off like what is happening; rant all you want and no one will give a flying f*** but name shaming only shows lower moral standards in real life.
PS: I am not the one who is name shamed if anyone is wondering.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 4, 2017 10:44:10 GMT -5
Guys, I hate to say this, but you will not win this argument. It's like telling small children, it is wrong to keep the toys in kindergarden only for themselves. They have the right to and just can't understand, why they should share with others. Right or wrong doesn't matter here. It is sad, but whenever there is a way to exploit, some people think, it is legit to do so... This is unfortunately true. The tankers know that they are ruining other peoples matches, they know that they are exploiting the system, they know they are despised by the vast majority of players, they don't care. All that matters to them is their own short term gain, and perhaps a feeling of superiority that they are "beating the system". You are not going to be able to convince a person with no sense of morality to act in an ethical manner. Peer pressure will not work on one who falsely believes himself to be superior to those around him. This is why societies have police and populated prisons. The only way you are going to end the tanking issue is to identify them and remove them from the population. Having just lost a close and hard fought match that went down to the wire only to find we had two squad members with 0-0-0 stats; I would also like to see them removed from the gene pool. But but... its all Pix fault that I join games only to screw other players. Its Pix fault that I want to bash new players for Gold!!! Nope not me , never me, its all Pix fault I act like a douche.... Like arguing with a 3 yr old.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 4, 2017 10:47:19 GMT -5
I am not here to convince anyone. I posted replies because I have read too many people complaining and name shaming players who are tanking. Well here I am giving voice to some of those legit tankers and I say I am going to do it and and no one can do jack s.h.i.t about it. When folks here don't even have the decency to refrain from naming actual players then they should not complain about tankers. Most of you are complaining because tankers are exactly the people who make wins happen and when they are gone then complainers lose because they don't have what it takes to make a win happen but hey its the tanker's fault that they lost; well boo f*** hoo. If you say that you are mostly winning even in a 4-5 member team then kudos to you my friend; those must be sweet victories to cherish. But if someone sees halfway into the game that you can't win then just quit and start another battle. But instead they chose to endure the punishment to wait for the results to come up and name shame the tankers. I pay real money to support pixonic and the developers who have created this awesome game. I pay because I am a developer as well and I know that people need to be rewarded and paid for creating good content. But me paying is the exact reason that I am expecting good time when I am playing; by good time I don't mean to steam-roll players I expect to have a level playing field. When the new mm came out then I was laughing at people who were celebrating that it is the end of clubbers. Well folks here is the news: clubbing will never stop. There will always be ways to game the system. All you can do is either play through and endure the humiliation or quit the game if its unfair. EDIT: And what good are the mods when you allow name shaming; there is an entire thread dedicated to this nonsense. Some of you are even participating in this bull?poo-poo?. This is a good forum which I regularly follow for updates and new experiences by players. But some things really turn me off like what is happening; rant all you want and no one will give a flying f*** but name shaming only shows lower moral standards in real life. PS: I am not the one who is name shamed if anyone is wondering.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 4, 2017 10:50:11 GMT -5
When folks here don't even have the decency to refrain from naming actual players then they should not complain about tankers. Most of you are complaining because tankers are exactly the people who make wins happen and when they are gone then complainers lose because they don't have what it takes to make a win happen but hey its the tanker's fault that they lost; Mind telling me, how you could make a win happen by leaving your squad one man short? The explanation should be really interesting...
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 10:55:30 GMT -5
When folks here don't even have the decency to refrain from naming actual players then they should not complain about tankers. Most of you are complaining because tankers are exactly the people who make wins happen and when they are gone then complainers lose because they don't have what it takes to make a win happen but hey its the tanker's fault that they lost; Mind telling me, how you could make a win happen by leaving your squad one man short? The explanation should be really interesting... Maybe he is a secret agent for the Reds.
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Post by throwaway on Feb 4, 2017 10:56:29 GMT -5
I am not here to convince anyone. I posted replies because I have read too many people complaining and name shaming players who are tanking. Well here I am giving voice to some of those legit tankers and I say I am going to do it and and no one can do jack **** about it. When folks here don't even have the decency to refrain from naming actual players then they should not complain about tankers. Most of you are complaining because tankers are exactly the people who make wins happen and when they are gone then complainers lose because they don't have what it takes to make a win happen but hey its the tanker's fault that they lost; well boo f*** hoo. If you say that you are mostly winning even in a 4-5 member team then kudos to you my friend; those must be sweet victories to cherish. But if someone sees halfway into the game that you can't win then just quit and start another battle. But instead they chose to endure the punishment to wait for the results to come up and name shame the tankers. I pay real money to support pixonic and the developers who have created this awesome game. I pay because I am a developer as well and I know that people need to be rewarded and paid for creating good content. But me paying is the exact reason that I am expecting good time when I am playing; by good time I don't mean to steam-roll players I expect to have a level playing field. When the new mm came out then I was laughing at people who were celebrating that it is the end of clubbers. Well folks here is the news: clubbing will never stop. There will always be ways to game the system. All you can do is either play through and endure the humiliation or quit the game if its unfair. EDIT: And what good are the mods when you allow name shaming; there is an entire thread dedicated to this nonsense. Some of you are even participating in this bull?poo-poo?. This is a good forum which I regularly follow for updates and new experiences by players. But some things really turn me off like what is happening; rant all you want and no one will give a flying f*** but name shaming only shows lower moral standards in real life. PS: I am not the one who is name shamed if anyone is wondering. Lol I am not saying its you but a 7 year old with pea-sized brain wouldn't understand it. Wait did I just did a personal attack, please mods tell me if I did and I will change the language to suit this forum's decorum but at the same time still insulting this kid.
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Post by throwaway on Feb 4, 2017 10:58:49 GMT -5
When folks here don't even have the decency to refrain from naming actual players then they should not complain about tankers. Most of you are complaining because tankers are exactly the people who make wins happen and when they are gone then complainers lose because they don't have what it takes to make a win happen but hey its the tanker's fault that they lost; Mind telling me, how you could make a win happen by leaving your squad one man short? The explanation should be really interesting... By trying to do my best instead of focusing on missing players. But I am no fool I will quit if I see I am on the losing side lol.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 10:59:34 GMT -5
But but... its all Pix fault that I join games only to screw other players. Its Pix fault that I want to bash new players for Gold!!! Nope not me , never me, its all Pix fault I act like a douche.... Like arguing with a 3 yr old. So you blame players for playing within the current rules of the game, but not Pixonic for creating a system that rewards players for tanking or ejecting from matches? Are you on the Pix payroll or something? If you dislike tanking or ejecting so much, you should quit playing this game now, because there is no way to stop it.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 4, 2017 11:03:26 GMT -5
But but... its all Pix fault that I join games only to screw other players. Its Pix fault that I want to bash new players for Gold!!! Nope not me , never me, its all Pix fault I act like a douche.... Like arguing with a 3 yr old. So you blame players for playing within the current rules of the game, but not Pixonic for creating a system that rewards players for tanking or ejecting from matches? Are you on the Pix payroll or something? If you dislike tanking or ejecting so much, you should quit playing this game now, because there is no way to stop it. Doesn't say in the rules of chess that you can't blow in the other persons face while he's trying to contemplate his next move. But hey, it gives you an advantage and helps to win. The makers of chess are clearly the problem.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 11:06:29 GMT -5
So you blame players for playing within the current rules of the game, but not Pixonic for creating a system that rewards players for tanking or ejecting from matches? Are you on the Pix payroll or something? If you dislike tanking or ejecting so much, you should quit playing this game now, because there is no way to stop it. Doesn't say in the rules of chess that you can't blow in the other persons face while he's trying to contemplate his next move. But hey, it gives you an advantage and helps to win. The makers of chess are the clearly the problem. This is another false equivalency. If the chess board came with a button that activated a fan to blow in the other players face, maybe your analogy would work. Mostly a fan button sounds refreshing. This game is nothing like chess, please stop using chess for a comparison. You are just making a fool of yourself.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 4, 2017 11:06:45 GMT -5
Mind telling me, how you could make a win happen by leaving your squad one man short? The explanation should be really interesting... By trying to do my best instead of focusing on missing players. But I am no fool I will quit if I see I am on the losing side lol. You better read my question again...
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Post by throwaway on Feb 4, 2017 11:08:32 GMT -5
By trying to do my best instead of focusing on missing players. But I am no fool I will quit if I see I am on the losing side lol. You better read my question again... You better start playing good instead of being a part time camper.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 4, 2017 11:09:30 GMT -5
Doesn't say in the rules of chess that you can't blow in the other persons face while he's trying to contemplate his next move. But hey, it gives you an advantage and helps to win. The makers of chess are the clearly the problem. This is another false equivalency. If the chess board came with a button that activated a fan to blow in the other players face, maybe your analogy would work. Mostly a fan button sounds refreshing. This game is nothing like chess, please stop using chess for a comparison. You are just making a fool of yourself. Dude, you are like a bot with all its pylons blown off on this topic. You sound and look silly.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 11:11:36 GMT -5
TL:DR? Stop whining about playstyles that are different than yours. They are not illegal and they are not dishonorable. Any style of play that the game allows is valid.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 4, 2017 11:19:06 GMT -5
You better read my question again... You better start playing good instead of being a part time camper. And here came the insults. You're sweet, when you act like a spoilt brat. Really, I mean it.?
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 11:22:14 GMT -5
You better start playing good instead of being a part time camper. And here came the insults. You're sweet, when you act like a spoilt brat. Really, I mean it.? On the contrary, Camping is a valid style of gameplay. If you consider it an insult it just reveals your irrational bias.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 4, 2017 11:24:34 GMT -5
It's the "Start playing good" part. He doesn't even know me.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 11:27:40 GMT -5
It's the "Start playing good" part. He doesn't even know me. Yes his grammar was incorrect, he should've said "Start playing well" He probably correlates "playing well" with winning matches, and campers generally have low win rates. So "Start playing well" and "stop camping" are reasonable things to correlate.
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Post by throwaway on Feb 4, 2017 11:32:34 GMT -5
You better start playing good instead of being a part time camper. And here came the insults. You're sweet, when you act like a spoilt brat. Really, I mean it.? Lol okay I admit that I did that on purpose. But thats what I do to people who try to be smart a*****. Seriously did you even contemplate this in your mind before telling me to read your question again; as if I am going to do that?
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 4, 2017 11:33:19 GMT -5
Tell you what. I play well enough, to be a good squad member for every clan member we have.
His grammar wasn't incorrect. So please stop it right here and don't try to change the subject...
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 4, 2017 11:35:12 GMT -5
And here came the insults. You're sweet, when you act like a spoilt brat. Really, I mean it.? Lol okay I admit that I did that on purpose. But thats what I do to people who try to be smart a*****. Seriously did you even contemplate this in your mind before telling me to read your question again; as if I am going to do that? I asked that, because you didn't really answer the question.
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Post by throwaway on Feb 4, 2017 11:35:22 GMT -5
And here came the insults. You're sweet, when you act like a spoilt brat. Really, I mean it.? On the contrary, Camping is a valid style of gameplay. If you consider it an insult it just reveals your irrational bias. Yeah well my apologies; but the fact remains that you can't win by roasting eggs in the spawn area. Even furies need to relocate to better kill bots.
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bearre
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Post by bearre on Feb 4, 2017 11:37:52 GMT -5
TL:DR? Stop whining about playstyles that are different than yours. They are not illegal and they are not dishonorable. Any style of play that the game allows is valid. Doing nothing and leaving a squad short handed is now a play style? Am I the only one who finds this absurd?
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 11:41:24 GMT -5
Tell you what. I play well enough, to be a good squad member for every clan member we have. His grammar wasn't incorrect. So please stop it right here and don't try to change the subject... You are just flat wrong. He misused the word "good".
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 4, 2017 11:42:18 GMT -5
Doing nothing and leaving a squad short handed is now a play style? Am I the only one who finds this obsurd? Misspelled "absurd" there bro. When the spellchecker underlines something as red, you should take the hint. I find it absurd that Pixonic rewards players for ejecting early. I do NOT find it absurd that players eject early, because the system rewards this behavior.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 4, 2017 11:50:43 GMT -5
Dang. Can somebody mute Mr grammar, please? He is right, I admit (Jeah, I checked), but he really doesn't add to the subject...
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